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* Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: "Baggage" has Elliot and Fin keep threatening a RedHerring suspect (he's guilty of theft and involuntary manslaughter, but not the rape-murders) with PrisonRape until he finally snaps and invokes BungledSuicide, and then he's made to falsely confess offscreen in the hospital -- likely while drugged into a compromised state of mind. And no, it's not a KickTheSonOfABitch moment; he's clearly sorry and a nervous wreck, making him a JerkassWoobie (with little, if any, "Jerkass"). So how are Elliot, Fin, and the offscreen cops punished? [[KarmaHoudini They're briefly lectured for screwing up.]] RealLife would likely see them suspended and/or fired, and the suspect would be entitled to file a hefty lawsuit. One of the worst WhatTheHellHero moments I've ever seen.

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* Tropers/{{Peridonyx}}: "Baggage" has Elliot and Fin keep threatening a RedHerring suspect (he's guilty of theft and involuntary manslaughter, but not the rape-murders) with PrisonRape until he finally snaps and invokes BungledSuicide, and then he's made to falsely confess offscreen in the hospital -- likely while drugged into a compromised state of mind. And no, it's not a KickTheSonOfABitch moment; he's He's clearly sorry and a nervous wreck, making him a JerkassWoobie (with little, if any, "Jerkass"). So how are Elliot, Fin, and the offscreen cops punished? [[KarmaHoudini They're briefly lectured for screwing up.]] RealLife would likely see them suspended and/or fired, and the suspect would be entitled to file a hefty lawsuit. One of the worst WhatTheHellHero moments I've ever seen.
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* Tropers/RebelFalcon: This is a bit of a weird entry since it's actually a ''IntraFranchiseCrossover'' between L&O, SVU, and OC. But the thing that made me finally give up on SVU was the Season Opening Crossover, [[Recap/LawAndOrderS22E1GimmeShelter Gimme Shelter]]. This episode pretty much demonstrates all the issues behind the ProtagonistCenteredMorality surrounding Captain Olivia Benson. When the DA's office is set to make a case against Sirenko and Kublev, they make clear they need the testimony of sex trafficking victim Nicole, someone Benson noticed was suffering psychological stress from the case, and despite the case ''hinging'' on her testimony, Benson goes against directions and sends Nicole to her family in Toronto. [[FlatWhat What]]. I can understand wanting to protect the victims, I can understand thinking Nicole will be torn apart on cross examination, but is Benson an absolute moron? Nicole was ''necessary'' to nail Sirenko and Kublev, and Benson had no right to make the decision to send Nicole ''out of the country''. It's a sad fact, but sometimes you need to hurt one victim during a trial to ensure the perps can't hurt anyone else. Yet Benson ends up a KarmaHoudini, as while they ''want'' to extradite Nicole and subpoena her testimony, they're screwed because Canada has anti-extradition laws involving minors. Benson's actions screwed ''everyone'' over, since without Nicole, the Attorney General's office forces the DA's office to cut Sirenko a deal to get Kublev since he's a Russian politician, meaning his victims don't get any justice, and when Kublev tries to flip on Sirenko and provide Russian intel, he gets assassinated, only ''after'' Sirenko's deal was finalized. Meaning, the Russian intel Kublev could have provided died with him and the deal with Sirenko was AllForNothing and he's a KarmaHoudini, the victims will never get justice, and Benson faces no consequences. None of this would have happened had Benson ''done her damn job''. Her job isn't just getting justice for victims, it's ''enforcing'' the law and stopping the perps from hurting anyone else, not picking and choosing what rules to follow. I can't tell if this is because of Creator/MariskaHargitay being a producer, or just a failure of the writing, but for whatever reason, Olivia Benson isn't ''allowed'' to be in the wrong, and it was at its most apparent when crossing over with two series that ''allow'' their leads to screw up and get called out. Cosgrove and Stabler are both better leads than Benson, since they are fallible while still good intentioned. Whereas Olivia is a bad character who makes constant mistakes but is written as if she's infallible.

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* Tropers/RebelFalcon: This is a bit of a weird entry since it's actually a ''IntraFranchiseCrossover'' between L&O, SVU, and OC. But the thing that made me finally give up on SVU was the Season Opening Crossover, [[Recap/LawAndOrderS22E1GimmeShelter Gimme Shelter]]. This episode pretty much demonstrates all the issues behind the ProtagonistCenteredMorality surrounding Captain Olivia Benson. When the DA's office is set to make a case against Sirenko and Kublev, they make clear they need the testimony of sex trafficking victim Nicole, someone Benson noticed was suffering psychological stress from the case, and despite the case ''hinging'' on her testimony, Benson goes against directions and sends Nicole to her family in Toronto. [[FlatWhat What]]. I can understand wanting to protect the victims, I can understand thinking Nicole will be torn apart on cross examination, but is Benson an absolute moron? Nicole was ''necessary'' to nail Sirenko and Kublev, and Benson had no right to make the decision to send Nicole ''out of the country''. It's a sad fact, but sometimes you need to hurt one victim during a trial to ensure the perps can't hurt anyone else. Yet Benson ends up a KarmaHoudini, as while they ''want'' to extradite Nicole and subpoena her testimony, they're screwed because Canada has anti-extradition laws involving minors. Benson's actions screwed ''everyone'' over, since without Nicole, the Attorney General's office forces the DA's office to cut Sirenko a deal to get Kublev since he's a Russian politician, meaning his victims don't get any justice, and when Kublev tries to flip on Sirenko and provide Russian intel, he gets assassinated, only ''after'' Sirenko's deal was finalized. Meaning, the Russian intel Kublev could have provided died with him and the deal with Sirenko was AllForNothing and he's a KarmaHoudini, the victims will never get justice, and Benson faces no consequences. And just for an extra kick in the balls, the episode ending implies Benson ''lied'' about sending Nicole to Toronto since they're shown walking in Central Park, adding an extra layer to the idiot sundae. None of this would have happened had Benson ''done her damn job''. Her job isn't just getting justice for victims, it's ''enforcing'' the law and stopping the perps from hurting anyone else, not picking and choosing what rules to follow. I can't tell if this is because of Creator/MariskaHargitay being a producer, or just a failure of the writing, but for whatever reason, Olivia Benson isn't ''allowed'' to be in the wrong, and it was at its most apparent when crossing over with two series that ''allow'' their leads to screw up and get called out. Cosgrove and Stabler are both better leads than Benson, since they are fallible while still good intentioned. Whereas Olivia is a bad character who makes constant mistakes but is written as if she's infallible.
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* Tropers/RebelFalcon: This is a bit of a weird entry since it's actually a ''IntraFranchiseCrossover'' between L&O, SVU, and OC. But the thing that made me finally give up on SVU was the Season Opening Crossover, [[Recap/LawAndOrderS22E1GimmeShelter Gimme Shelter]]. This episode pretty much demonstrates all the issues behind the ProtagonistCenteredMorality surrounding Captain Olivia Benson. When the DA's office is set to make a case against Sirenko and Kublev, they make clear they need the testimony of sex trafficking victim Nicole, someone Benson noticed was suffering psychological stress from the case, and despite the case ''hinging'' on her testimony, Benson goes against directions and sends Nicole to her family in Toronto. [[FlatWhat What]]. I can understand wanting to protect the victims, I can understand thinking Nicole will be torn apart on cross examination, but is Benson an absolute moron? Nicole was ''necessary'' to nail Sirenko and Kublev, and Benson had no right to make the decision to send Nicole ''out of the country''. It's a sad fact, but sometimes you need to hurt one victim during a trial to ensure the perps can't hurt anyone else. Yet Benson ends up a KarmaHoudini, as while they ''want'' to extradite Nicole and subpoena her testimony, they're screwed because Canada has anti-extradition laws involving minors. Benson's actions screwed ''everyone'' over, since without Nicole, the Attorney General's office forces the DA's office has to cut Sirenko a deal to get Kublev since he's a Russian politician, meaning his victims don't get any justice, and when Kublev tries to flip on Sirenko and provide Russian intel, he gets assassinated, only ''after'' Sirenko's deal was finalized. Meaning, the Russian intel Kublev could have provided died with him and the deal with Sirenko was AllForNothing and he's a KarmaHoudini, the victims will never get justice, and Benson faces no consequences. None of this would have happened had Benson ''done her damn job''. Her job isn't just getting justice for victims, it's ''enforcing'' the law and stopping the perps from hurting anyone else, not picking and choosing what rules to follow. I can't tell if this is because of Creator/MariskaHargitay being a producer, or just a failure of the writing, but for whatever reason, Olivia Benson isn't ''allowed'' to be in the wrong, and it was at its most apparent when crossing over with two series that ''allow'' their leads to screw up and get called out. Cosgrove and Stabler are both better leads than Benson, since they are fallible while still good intentioned. Whereas Olivia is a bad character who makes constant mistakes but is written as if she's infallible.

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* Tropers/RebelFalcon: This is a bit of a weird entry since it's actually a ''IntraFranchiseCrossover'' between L&O, SVU, and OC. But the thing that made me finally give up on SVU was the Season Opening Crossover, [[Recap/LawAndOrderS22E1GimmeShelter Gimme Shelter]]. This episode pretty much demonstrates all the issues behind the ProtagonistCenteredMorality surrounding Captain Olivia Benson. When the DA's office is set to make a case against Sirenko and Kublev, they make clear they need the testimony of sex trafficking victim Nicole, someone Benson noticed was suffering psychological stress from the case, and despite the case ''hinging'' on her testimony, Benson goes against directions and sends Nicole to her family in Toronto. [[FlatWhat What]]. I can understand wanting to protect the victims, I can understand thinking Nicole will be torn apart on cross examination, but is Benson an absolute moron? Nicole was ''necessary'' to nail Sirenko and Kublev, and Benson had no right to make the decision to send Nicole ''out of the country''. It's a sad fact, but sometimes you need to hurt one victim during a trial to ensure the perps can't hurt anyone else. Yet Benson ends up a KarmaHoudini, as while they ''want'' to extradite Nicole and subpoena her testimony, they're screwed because Canada has anti-extradition laws involving minors. Benson's actions screwed ''everyone'' over, since without Nicole, the Attorney General's office forces the DA's office has to cut Sirenko a deal to get Kublev since he's a Russian politician, meaning his victims don't get any justice, and when Kublev tries to flip on Sirenko and provide Russian intel, he gets assassinated, only ''after'' Sirenko's deal was finalized. Meaning, the Russian intel Kublev could have provided died with him and the deal with Sirenko was AllForNothing and he's a KarmaHoudini, the victims will never get justice, and Benson faces no consequences. None of this would have happened had Benson ''done her damn job''. Her job isn't just getting justice for victims, it's ''enforcing'' the law and stopping the perps from hurting anyone else, not picking and choosing what rules to follow. I can't tell if this is because of Creator/MariskaHargitay being a producer, or just a failure of the writing, but for whatever reason, Olivia Benson isn't ''allowed'' to be in the wrong, and it was at its most apparent when crossing over with two series that ''allow'' their leads to screw up and get called out. Cosgrove and Stabler are both better leads than Benson, since they are fallible while still good intentioned. Whereas Olivia is a bad character who makes constant mistakes but is written as if she's infallible.
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* Tropers/{{somerandomdude}}: I don't recall the episode name, but there's a scene where they interrogate a 17 year old. Without his parents, or an attorney. While he's drunk! And the people who try to stop this are portrayed as the bad guys! I don't think I've ever seen a TV show, or any piece of media, so glorify PoliceBrutality and misconduct as SVU does, and this was just the crown jewel of that. The fact that no one brings up how morally disgusting this is, how any half-decent attorney (or first year law student) would get that entire interrogation and anything it led to thrown out, or that the department could literally be sued for substantial amounts of money due to this is just the cherry on the shit sundae. It just encapsulates everything wrongheaded and gross about this show.

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* Tropers/{{somerandomdude}}: I don't recall the episode name, but there's a scene where they interrogate a 17 year old. Without his parents, or an attorney. While he's drunk! And the people who try to stop this are portrayed as the bad guys! I don't think I've ever seen a TV show, or any piece of media, so glorify PoliceBrutality and misconduct as SVU does, and this was just the crown jewel of that. The fact that no one brings up how morally disgusting this is, how any half-decent attorney (or first year law student) would get that entire interrogation and anything it led to thrown out, or that the department could literally be sued for substantial amounts of money due to this is just the cherry on the shit sundae. It just encapsulates everything wrongheaded and gross about this show.show.
* Tropers/RebelFalcon: This is a bit of a weird entry since it's actually a ''IntraFranchiseCrossover'' between L&O, SVU, and OC. But the thing that made me finally give up on SVU was the Season Opening Crossover, [[Recap/LawAndOrderS22E1GimmeShelter Gimme Shelter]]. This episode pretty much demonstrates all the issues behind the ProtagonistCenteredMorality surrounding Captain Olivia Benson. When the DA's office is set to make a case against Sirenko and Kublev, they make clear they need the testimony of sex trafficking victim Nicole, someone Benson noticed was suffering psychological stress from the case, and despite the case ''hinging'' on her testimony, Benson goes against directions and sends Nicole to her family in Toronto. [[FlatWhat What]]. I can understand wanting to protect the victims, I can understand thinking Nicole will be torn apart on cross examination, but is Benson an absolute moron? Nicole was ''necessary'' to nail Sirenko and Kublev, and Benson had no right to make the decision to send Nicole ''out of the country''. It's a sad fact, but sometimes you need to hurt one victim during a trial to ensure the perps can't hurt anyone else. Yet Benson ends up a KarmaHoudini, as while they ''want'' to extradite Nicole and subpoena her testimony, they're screwed because Canada has anti-extradition laws involving minors. Benson's actions screwed ''everyone'' over, since without Nicole, the Attorney General's office forces the DA's office has to cut Sirenko a deal to get Kublev since he's a Russian politician, meaning his victims don't get any justice, and when Kublev tries to flip on Sirenko and provide Russian intel, he gets assassinated, only ''after'' Sirenko's deal was finalized. Meaning, the Russian intel Kublev could have provided died with him and the deal with Sirenko was AllForNothing and he's a KarmaHoudini, the victims will never get justice, and Benson faces no consequences. None of this would have happened had Benson ''done her damn job''. Her job isn't just getting justice for victims, it's ''enforcing'' the law and stopping the perps from hurting anyone else, not picking and choosing what rules to follow. I can't tell if this is because of Creator/MariskaHargitay being a producer, or just a failure of the writing, but for whatever reason, Olivia Benson isn't ''allowed'' to be in the wrong, and it was at its most apparent when crossing over with two series that ''allow'' their leads to screw up and get called out. Cosgrove and Stabler are both better leads than Benson, since they are fallible while still good intentioned. Whereas Olivia is a bad character who makes constant mistakes but is written as if she's infallible.
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* Tropers/{{somerandomdude}}: I don't recall the episode name, but there's a scene where they interrogate a 17 year old. Without his parents, ''or'' an attorney. ''While he's '''drunk!''''' And the people who try to stop this are portrayed as the bad guys! I don't think I've ever seen a TV show, or any piece of media, so glorify PoliceBrutality and misconduct as SVU does, and this was just the crown jewel of that. The fact that no one brings up how morally disgusting this is, how any half-decent attorney (or first year law student) would get that entire interrogation and anything it led to thrown out, or that the department could literally be sued for substantial amounts of money due to this is just the cherry on the shit sundae. It just encapsulates everything wrongheaded and gross about this show.

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* Tropers/{{somerandomdude}}: I don't recall the episode name, but there's a scene where they interrogate a 17 year old. Without his parents, ''or'' or an attorney. ''While While he's '''drunk!''''' drunk! And the people who try to stop this are portrayed as the bad guys! I don't think I've ever seen a TV show, or any piece of media, so glorify PoliceBrutality and misconduct as SVU does, and this was just the crown jewel of that. The fact that no one brings up how morally disgusting this is, how any half-decent attorney (or first year law student) would get that entire interrogation and anything it led to thrown out, or that the department could literally be sued for substantial amounts of money due to this is just the cherry on the shit sundae. It just encapsulates everything wrongheaded and gross about this show.
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* Tropers/{{Business21}}: "Info Wars" was the episode that made me give up on the series for good. The premise of the episode involves a flagrant, far-right Ann Coulter espy getting raped by someone who read her blog. Because Olivia despises this woman and her political views, she and the squad barely do any investigating and seemed to not even care that the woman was raped. The show that spent almost twenty years hammering home that RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil totally abandons the principle because the victim happened to be a Trump supporter.

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* Tropers/{{Business21}}: "Info Wars" was the episode that made me give up on the series for good. The premise of the episode involves a flagrant, far-right Ann Coulter espy getting raped by someone who read her blog. Because Olivia despises this woman and her political views, she and the squad barely do any investigating and seemed to not even care that the woman was raped. The show that spent almost twenty years hammering home that RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil totally abandons the principle because the victim happened to be a Trump supporter.supporter.
* Tropers/{{somerandomdude}}: I don't recall the episode name, but there's a scene where they interrogate a 17 year old. Without his parents, ''or'' an attorney. ''While he's '''drunk!''''' And the people who try to stop this are portrayed as the bad guys! I don't think I've ever seen a TV show, or any piece of media, so glorify PoliceBrutality and misconduct as SVU does, and this was just the crown jewel of that. The fact that no one brings up how morally disgusting this is, how any half-decent attorney (or first year law student) would get that entire interrogation and anything it led to thrown out, or that the department could literally be sued for substantial amounts of money due to this is just the cherry on the shit sundae. It just encapsulates everything wrongheaded and gross about this show.
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Up To Eleven is a defunct trope


* Tropers/{{embala}}: ''SVU'' has never been great on things like due process and the rights of the accused - it's a police procedural, whaddaya want - but the unholy duo of "Thought Criminal" and "Spring Awakening" took that particular ridiculousness UpToEleven. If [[JustForFun/JohnMunch Munch]] had still been around, I like to think that he'd have read the rest of them the riot act on this one. You have the entire squad and Barba going after a guy who hasn't actually committed a crime, Amaro beating the shit out of him on the street, and then getting off because Rollins blackmails the victims wife. The entire SVU squad, with the possible exception of Fin, are now card-carrying [[DirtyCop Dirty Cops]], and I'm finding it hard to root for them anymore.

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* Tropers/{{embala}}: ''SVU'' has never been great on things like due process and the rights of the accused - it's a police procedural, whaddaya want - but the unholy duo of "Thought Criminal" and "Spring Awakening" took that particular ridiculousness UpToEleven.up to eleven. If [[JustForFun/JohnMunch Munch]] had still been around, I like to think that he'd have read the rest of them the riot act on this one. You have the entire squad and Barba going after a guy who hasn't actually committed a crime, Amaro beating the shit out of him on the street, and then getting off because Rollins blackmails the victims wife. The entire SVU squad, with the possible exception of Fin, are now card-carrying [[DirtyCop Dirty Cops]], and I'm finding it hard to root for them anymore.
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** MaryamRose: I was also bothered by the implications that if a woman tries to work in a male-dominated field, she will be raped as punishment. Besides making male gamers look categorically bad, the scenario is not realistic of most hate crimes - according to FBI statistics, only 0.003% of hate crimes in 2019 involved sexual assault, while the vast majority were incidents of intimidation (40%), simple assault (36.7%), or aggravated assault (21%).

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