History DethroningMoment / Frozen

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* Loekman3: So at the end of ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII'', we are treated to a scene where [[spoiler:Elsa, once frozen over with Anna grieving for her, reappears just fine with the sisters happily reuniting with one another]]. While it's sweet and undeniably heartwarming, my feelings felt more sour because previously, [[spoiler:Elsa broke her promise to do things together and sends her sister & Olaf away when they wanted to come along with her to Atohallan]] and [[spoiler:Anna didn't even show any anger or resentment at her sister despite what happened before]]. Look, I know that seeing the most precious person in your life alive and well undeniably brings joy to your heart but surely she deserves to be called out for essentially shutting you out again? In light of the situation beforehand, it really painted the ending in a more negative light as it felt that once again [[spoiler:Elsa shut her out but this time out of pure selfishness rather than a misguided attempt to protect her and Anna is somehow okay with this]].

''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}}'' may be one of Disney's biggest hits in recent memory, but it has some moments that are difficult to [[{{Pun}} let it go.]]

** dmcreif: Thirded. Things fall apart for me in the second half of the movie, around the moment Elsa throws Anna out of the Ice Palace. After a mostly well-paced first half, the movie starts to rush along a little bit more, giving more time to scenes that should be shorter and less time to others, and really scrambling to include last-minute songs and moments. "Fixer Upper" is one of those. By itself, I think it's a fun song, but it’s at a point in the movie where time is of the essence. The whole reason Kristoff took Anna there in the first place was because she was starting to show negative symptoms after being struck by Elsa’s magic. She and Kristoff both know this. The audience knows how bad this could be. Taking those three minutes to sing a forced love song is annoying, wasting time, and just makes the trolls seem like pointless characters. If the writers were really desperate for that song, then they should have found a reason to have Anna and Kristoff go to the trolls ''before'' the Ice Palace, where things weren’t as time sensitive. Maybe have Kristoff realize that Grand Pabbie might be able to help with Elsa’s magic, or he casually mentions how he watched them change Anna’s memories so she goes to get them restored as a way to help her sister. But having that scene where it is takes away from all the fun that’s going on because all I can think about is, “Grand Pabbie said earlier that getting hit in the heart would be worse. That was where Anna was hit. How come no one is taking this more seriously?”

** {{@/Psyga315}}: I agree with this, but not in the same way you are. I had no problems at all with his plan. Granted, I agree with the fact that it's flawed, but it's not why I consider it a Dethroning Moment. It's the fact that the writers decided to have Hans go completely "muwahahaha!" evil for the sake of having a villain. Given the facts that 1) Hans presented little to no villainous traits prior to the reveal and 2) they intended Elsa to be the villain but changed during the making of "Let It Go," it's pretty clear that Hans was made into one at the last minute to have a villain... when it's pretty clear that we ''have'' one. Heck, they could have kept him as a villain, but in more of a WellIntentionedExtremist way as opposed to making him power hungry.

* Tropers/{{Catmuto}}: No matter how great ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}}'' may be, the worst moment for me was Elsa's song ''Let It Go''. Out of context, the song comes across as rather empowering, deciding to not be shackled by her own or society's fear of her powers and Elsa leaves to live on her own, not having to hide her powers from anyone. The problem is when the song is put into context with the movie -- I hated the song with its context, because it came shortly after Elsa's magic went out of control and was revealed to everyone in the kingdom, making them afraid of her, considering what her powers can do. Now, the song suddenly comes across as having the message 'I won't take responsibility for what my actions made, I'll just hide myself away and let others deal with it'. Yes, Elsa didn't know that she had inadvertedly caused winter to befall all of Arendelle. But no, I do not care how psychologically tortured Elsa has been, this caused her song to sound horrible and she doesn't even try to see if her powers can be removed until the end when ThePowerOfLove is the ultimate thawer.
** Cheedo: Seconded. Hated the song. I could ignore the melody (I'm not a fan at all of Idina's singing or poppy Broadway tunes), but after the movie trying so hard to paint Elsa as long-suffering and much more responsible than Anna, she comes off as astonishingly selfish and immature here. "No right, no wrong, no rules for me" sounds like she's saying "I'm above morality and accountability". And unlike the troper above, I don't think Elsa's emotional issues have anything to do with it. Anna is equally suffering, if not more so, but she not only takes responsibility for her own actions, but for ''Elsa's''. And worse, Elsa never apologizes for dumping all the problems onto Anna, or for the pain she caused her. No, a one-hit wonder does not make up for her poor actions.

** Tropers/{{Adept}}: Like [=JustHereToComment=], I've read about the twist before watching the movie, and I still think that the reveal came out of nowhere, which demonstrates how poorly executed the writing is. If the writers/producers were as "progressive" and "subversive" as people like to claim they are, then I see no reason why they'd need to 1) force in a villain when, given the themes, the movie would have worked a lot better with NoAntagonist, and 2) use the [[DerailingLoveInterests most]] [[DisposableFiance cliched]] way possible to get rid of Hans and validate Anna/Kristoff as the OfficialCouple without actually giving the latter any proper chemistry or any sense that their relationship is earned. There are many ways to show why Anna and Hans are not compatible (the scene that shows their subjects squabbling over some petty differences when they were trying to secure fire wood could have been a more subtle way of showing that), but, no. They had to use a [[ShockingSwerve poorly foreshadowed plot twist]] to tick off their "let's subvert the StrictlyFormula" agenda, and hope that the surprise factor alone is enough to fool the audience into thinking that this is a good development.