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** [[spoiler: A-Day was actually concocted by Bane to help draw out to help draw out the Court, the Network as well as the Generals of Santa Prisca, who had the Court create Vengeance to have as a Bane who could be controlled by them. Joker was the perfect patsy since he was still nursing that grudge post-''Joker War''.]]

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** [[spoiler: A-Day was actually concocted by Bane to help draw out to help draw out the Court, the Network as well as the Generals of Santa Prisca, who had the Court create Vengeance to have as a Bane who could be controlled by them. Joker was the perfect patsy since he was still nursing that grudge post-''Joker War''.]]

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* BatmanGambit: ''Joker'' #14 reveals [[spoiler: this was the purpose of A-Day and framing Joker. Cressida wanted to take down the Court of Owls and the Network and she needed Bane's strategic insight (and he also had skin in the game because of the Santa Priscan Generals' ties to the Network). They selected Joker as their plan's scapegoat partly because of Bane's current grudge, but also because they realized they could weaponize his chaotic nature. They correctly predicted Joker would go running for cover and try to figure out who had framed him...and would stir up utter chaos in his wake. Said chaos would directly and indirectly expose the Network's operations and to set up the Court and the Generals for the kill).]]

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* BatmanGambit: ''Joker'' #14 reveals [[spoiler: this was the purpose of A-Day and framing Joker. Cressida wanted to take down the Court of Owls and the Network and she needed Bane's strategic insight (and he also had skin in the game because of the Santa Priscan Generals' ties to the Network). They selected Joker as their plan's scapegoat partly because of Bane's current grudge, but also because they realized they could weaponize his chaotic nature. They correctly predicted Joker would go running for cover and try to figure out who had framed him...him… and would stir up utter chaos in his wake. Said chaos would directly and indirectly expose the Network's operations and to set up the Court and the Generals for the kill).]]]]
* BluntYes: When Jim asks Barbara if his new phone to contact her is going to activate a SelfDestructMechanism if he does not answer, this is her reply.
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* WhamLine: InUniverse, when Jim Gordon lets Oracle and Batman know he knew about the latter for quite some time (years, as he admits internally) who the former really is in order to avoid admitting he isn't going to be trying to call Batman to bring in the Joker.
-->'''Jim Gordon:''' … Are you sure you're not just worried about your old man… ''[[SecretSecretKeeper Barbara]]''?
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* VillainousBreakdown: Sawyer Sampson devolves into rage and panic as Vengeance butchers his entire family. By the time the authorities come for him, he is screaming to them that he would "eat them all alive," not even bothering to keep up appearances as a philanthropist.
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-->'''Vegeance:''' Listen to me, clown. Listen to why I'm killing you.
-->'''Joker:''' Why should I? (gets punched) No, really. I don't care. They made you in a vat and turned you into a weapon? So what? We've got flying aliens and robots from the future running around these days. You think you're special? (gets punched) No. You know you're just a knockoff. You know that if you kill me, they're not even going to remember that it was you. It'll be... oh, isn't it wild that this random chick punched the Joker to death in Texas?
-->'''Vegeance:''' I don't need recognition.
-->'''Joker:''' But you need meaning, right? #*$@ that. There's no meaning here. You want to kill me because it feels good. Because it was programmed to feel good. You just wanted some excuse to make you feel noble about it. Because you're some nobody. Some nonperson. And you were born in a tube, right? So you're what? Like a year old? '''See''', that's how I hope they remember it. Did you know that the Joker got killed by a giant baby?! '''HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!'''
-->'''Vegeance:''' SHUT UP!

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-->'''Vegeance:''' Listen to me, clown. Listen to why I'm killing you.
-->'''Joker:'''
you.\\
'''Joker:'''
Why should I? (gets punched) No, really. I don't care. They made you in a vat and turned you into a weapon? So what? We've got flying aliens and robots from the future running around these days. You think you're special? (gets punched) No. You know you're just a knockoff. You know that if you kill me, they're not even going to remember that it was you. It'll be... be… oh, isn't it wild that this random chick punched the Joker to death in Texas?
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Texas?\\
'''Vegeance:'''
I don't need recognition.
-->'''Joker:'''
recognition.\\
'''Joker:'''
But you need meaning, right? #*$@ that. There's no meaning here. You want to kill me because it feels good. Because it was programmed to feel good. You just wanted some excuse to make you feel noble about it. Because you're some nobody. Some nonperson. And you were born in a tube, right? So you're what? Like a year old? '''See''', that's how I hope they remember it. Did you know that the Joker got killed by a giant baby?! '''HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!'''
-->'''Vegeance:'''
'''HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!'''\\
'''Vegeance:'''
SHUT UP!

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* AnArmAndALeg: During her attack on the Sampson compound, Vengeance almost casually tears the right arm off of an attacker.



* BloodlessCarnage: Not always, but some cases are extreme, such as the OffWithHisHead example below.

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* BloodlessCarnage: Not always, but some cases are extreme, such as the OffWithHisHead example below.below, made more odd by how blood is clearly shown in other instances.

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* BloodlessCarnage: Not always, but some cases are extreme, such as the OffWithHisHead example below.



* OffWithHisHead: Vengeance punches Buddy Sampson so heard his head flies off like a cork from a bottle.

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* OffWithHisHead: Vengeance punches Buddy Sampson so heard hard in Issue #13 that his head flies off like a cork from a bottle. Surprisingly, [[BloodlessCarnage there isn't a drop of blood]].
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-->'''Joker:''' Oh, really? ''That's'' what got you all riled up?
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[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/8d09fca0_e383_43c5_b235_7c591ca5b5a5.jpeg]]''The Joker'' is a 2021 series by Creator/{{DC}}, created by Creator/JamesTynionIV and Guillem March. It is also a spinoff of Tynion's [[ComicBook/BatmanJamesTynionIV run on the flagship ''Batman'' book]], picking up Joker (and Punchline's) storyline in the aftermath of ''ComicBook/TheJokerWar'' and in the ''DCInfiniteFrontier '' era.

Following the attack on Arkham Asylum in the pages of ''Infinier Frontier'' #0, [[Characters/BatmanTheJoker the Joker]] has become the most wanted man in the world. The soon to be retired Jim Gordon is hired to track down the Joker. He soon discovers there are other forces who want revenge on the Joker and that there may be a deeper conspiracy at hand.

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[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/8d09fca0_e383_43c5_b235_7c591ca5b5a5.jpeg]]''The Joker'' is a 2021 series by Creator/{{DC}}, created by Creator/JamesTynionIV and Guillem March. It is also a spinoff of Tynion's [[ComicBook/BatmanJamesTynionIV run on the flagship ''Batman'' book]], picking up Joker (and Punchline's) storyline in the aftermath of ''ComicBook/TheJokerWar'' and in the ''DCInfiniteFrontier '' ''ComicBook/DCInfiniteFrontier'' era.

Following In the wake of the attack on Arkham Asylum in the pages of ''Infinier ''Infinite Frontier'' #0, [[Characters/BatmanTheJoker the Joker]] has become the most wanted man in the world. The soon to be retired Jim Gordon is hired to track down the Joker. He soon discovers there are other forces who want revenge on the Joker and that there may be a deeper conspiracy at hand.
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[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/8d09fca0_e383_43c5_b235_7c591ca5b5a5.jpeg]]''The Joker'' is a 2021 series by Creator/{{DC}}, created by Creator/JamesTynionIV and Guillem March. It is also a spinoff of his [[ComicBook/BatmanJamesTynionIV run on the flagship ''Batman'' book]], picking up Joker (and Punchline's) storyline in the aftermath of ''ComicBook/TheJokerWar'' and the events of [[DCInfiniteFrontier ''Infinite Frontier'' #0]].

After an attack on Gotham City [[Characters/BatmanTheJoker the Joker]] has become the most wanted man in the world. The soon to be retired Jim Gordon is hired to track down the Joker. He soon discovers there are other forces who want revenge on the Joker and that there may be a deeper conspiracy at hand.

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[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/8d09fca0_e383_43c5_b235_7c591ca5b5a5.jpeg]]''The Joker'' is a 2021 series by Creator/{{DC}}, created by Creator/JamesTynionIV and Guillem March. It is also a spinoff of his Tynion's [[ComicBook/BatmanJamesTynionIV run on the flagship ''Batman'' book]], picking up Joker (and Punchline's) storyline in the aftermath of ''ComicBook/TheJokerWar'' and in the events ''DCInfiniteFrontier '' era.

Following the attack on Arkham Asylum in the pages
of [[DCInfiniteFrontier ''Infinite ''Infinier Frontier'' #0]].

After an attack on Gotham City
#0, [[Characters/BatmanTheJoker the Joker]] has become the most wanted man in the world. The soon to be retired Jim Gordon is hired to track down the Joker. He soon discovers there are other forces who want revenge on the Joker and that there may be a deeper conspiracy at hand.
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[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/8d09fca0_e383_43c5_b235_7c591ca5b5a5.jpeg]]''The Joker'' is a 2021 series by Creator/{{DC}}, created by Creator/JamesTynionIV and Guillem March.

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[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/8d09fca0_e383_43c5_b235_7c591ca5b5a5.jpeg]]''The Joker'' is a 2021 series by Creator/{{DC}}, created by Creator/JamesTynionIV and Guillem March.
March. It is also a spinoff of his [[ComicBook/BatmanJamesTynionIV run on the flagship ''Batman'' book]], picking up Joker (and Punchline's) storyline in the aftermath of ''ComicBook/TheJokerWar'' and the events of [[DCInfiniteFrontier ''Infinite Frontier'' #0]].
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* CaptainErsatz: [[spoiler:Vengeance, as a female OppositeSexClone created by a shady organization to serve as a private assassin, is basically Bane's version of [[ComicBook/X23 X-23]].]]

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* CaptainErsatz: [[spoiler:Vengeance, as a female OppositeSexClone created by a shady organization to serve as a private assassin, is basically Bane's version of [[ComicBook/X23 [[ComicBook/{{X23}} X-23]].]]
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* CaptainErsatz: [[spoiler:Vengeance, as a female OppositeSexClone created by a shady organization to serve as a private assassin, is basically Bane's version of ComicBook/{{X23}}.]]

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* CaptainErsatz: [[spoiler:Vengeance, as a female OppositeSexClone created by a shady organization to serve as a private assassin, is basically Bane's version of ComicBook/{{X23}}.[[ComicBook/X23 X-23]].]]
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* CaptainErsatz: [[spoiler:Vengeance, as a female OppositeSexClone created by a shady organization to serve as a private assassin, is basically Bane's version of ComicBook/X23.]]

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* CaptainErsatz: [[spoiler:Vengeance, as a female OppositeSexClone created by a shady organization to serve as a private assassin, is basically Bane's version of ComicBook/X23.ComicBook/{{X23}}.]]
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* DownerEnding: ''Joker'' #13 and the end of the [[spoiler: ''Punchline'' backups. Despite the efforts of Harper Row and Leslie Thompokins, Punchline is acquitted by the jury and has fooled much of Gotham into believing she was a victim of the Joker rather than a willing accomplice.]]

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* DownerEnding: ''Joker'' #13 and the end of the [[spoiler: ''Punchline'' backups. Despite the efforts of Harper Row and Leslie Thompokins, Thompkins, Punchline is acquitted by the jury and has fooled much of Gotham into believing she was a victim of the Joker rather than a willing accomplice.]]
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* AvengingTheVillain: [[spoiler: Cressida's true motivation is to avenge her Father, who was the Grandmaster of the Court of Owls who was deposed and killed during Tynion's ''Talon''.]]
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* CruelMercy: Why Joker spares Jim after their 'reunion' in ''Joker'' #3-4. Since Gordon has gone into the PI business, Joker wants to 'hire' him to investigate A-Day. While Joker does want to prove it ''was'' a frame-up, there's another motivation. Joker wants Gordon to figure out if it's who he thinks it is...and that the revelations of how broken the world and the justice system really are will finally, truly break Gordon's spirit and what's left of his idealism.

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* CruelMercy: Why Joker spares Jim after their 'reunion' in ''Joker'' #3-4. Since Gordon has gone into the PI business, Joker wants to 'hire' him to investigate A-Day. While Joker does want to prove it ''was'' a frame-up, there's another another, more sinister motivation. Joker wants Gordon to figure out if it's the culprit(s) is who he thinks it is...and that the revelations of how broken the world and the justice system really are will finally, truly break Gordon's spirit and what's left of his idealism.
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* MotiveMisidentification: ''Joker'' #14 reveals [[spoiler: Joker's hypothesis earlier in the run about the purpose of A-Day (that unknown parties had discovered his post-''Joker War'' plans and tried to take him off the board) was wrong. The A-Day attack was actually the opening salvo of a multi-front (with Joker as dual scapegoat ''and'' weaponized pawn).]]

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* MotiveMisidentification: ''Joker'' #14 reveals [[spoiler: Joker's hypothesis earlier in the run about the purpose of A-Day (that unknown parties had discovered his post-''Joker War'' plans and tried to take him off the board) was wrong. The A-Day attack was actually the opening salvo of a multi-front attack on various villainous organizations (with Joker as dual scapegoat ''and'' weaponized pawn).]]
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* MotiveMisidentifcation: ''Joker'' #14 reveals [[spoiler: Joker's hypothesis earlier in the run about the purpose of A-Day (that unknown parties had discovered his post-''Joker War'' plans and tried to take him off the board) was wrong. The A-Day attack was actually the opening salvo of a multi-front (with Joker as dual scapegoat ''and'' weaponized pawn).]]

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* MotiveMisidentifcation: MotiveMisidentification: ''Joker'' #14 reveals [[spoiler: Joker's hypothesis earlier in the run about the purpose of A-Day (that unknown parties had discovered his post-''Joker War'' plans and tried to take him off the board) was wrong. The A-Day attack was actually the opening salvo of a multi-front (with Joker as dual scapegoat ''and'' weaponized pawn).]]
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* MotiveMisidentifcation: ''Joker'' #14 reveals [[spoiler: Joker's hypothesis earlier in the run about the purpose of A-Day (that unknown parties had discovered his post-''Joker War'' plans and tried to take him off the board) was wrong. The A-Day attack was actually the opening salvo of a multi-front (with Joker as dual scapegoat ''and'' weaponized pawn).]]
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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Invoked in-story by the Joker during the flashback to his first night in Arkham in ''Joker'' #5. He plays mind games with the younger Gordon and suggests that ''this'' is why he stayed overnight at the Asylum to supervise his prisoner: That Gordon ''wants'' to believe Joker's just an anomaly and things will get back to normal in Gotham. And yet, deep down, Gordon secretly fears the Rubicon's been crossed and that Joker -- to paraphrase his own words -- is really juust the first dark cloud on the horizon rather than the hurricane itself.

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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Invoked in-story by the Joker during the flashback to his first night in Arkham in ''Joker'' #5. He plays mind games with the younger Gordon and suggests that ''this'' is why he stayed overnight at the Asylum to supervise his prisoner: That Gordon ''wants'' to believe Joker's just an anomaly and things will get back to normal in Gotham. And yet, deep down, Gordon secretly fears the Rubicon's been crossed and that Joker -- to paraphrase his own words -- is really juust just the first dark cloud on the horizon rather than the hurricane itself.
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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Invoked in-story by the Joker during the flashback to his first night in Arkham in ''Joker'' #5. He plays mind games with the younger Gordon and suggests that ''this'' is why he stayed overnight at the Asylum to supervise his prisoner: That Gordon ''wants'' to believe Joker's just an anomaly and things will get back to normal in Gotham. And yet, deep down, Gordon secretly fears the Rubicon's been crossed and that Joker -- to paraphrase his own words -- is really the first dark cloud on the horizon rather than the hurricane himself.

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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Invoked in-story by the Joker during the flashback to his first night in Arkham in ''Joker'' #5. He plays mind games with the younger Gordon and suggests that ''this'' is why he stayed overnight at the Asylum to supervise his prisoner: That Gordon ''wants'' to believe Joker's just an anomaly and things will get back to normal in Gotham. And yet, deep down, Gordon secretly fears the Rubicon's been crossed and that Joker -- to paraphrase his own words -- is really juust the first dark cloud on the horizon rather than the hurricane himself.itself.
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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Invoked in-story by the Joker during the flashback to his first night in Arkham in ''Joker'' #5. He plays mind games with the younger Gordon and suggests that ''this'' is why he stayed at the Asylum to supervise his prisoner: That Gordon ''wants'' to believe Joker's just an anomaly and things will get back to normal in Gotham...yet deep down, he fears the Rubicon's been crossed and that Joker's debut and what he represents is the new normal -- and it's only going to get worse. He's right, of course.

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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Invoked in-story by the Joker during the flashback to his first night in Arkham in ''Joker'' #5. He plays mind games with the younger Gordon and suggests that ''this'' is why he stayed overnight at the Asylum to supervise his prisoner: That Gordon ''wants'' to believe Joker's just an anomaly and things will get back to normal in Gotham...yet Gotham. And yet, deep down, he Gordon secretly fears the Rubicon's been crossed and that Joker's debut and what he represents Joker -- to paraphrase his own words -- is really the new normal -- and it's only going to get worse. He's right, of course.first dark cloud on the horizon rather than the hurricane himself.
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* NothingIsTheSameAnymore: Invoked in-story by the Joker during the flashback to his first night in Arkham in ''Joker'' #5. He plays mind games with the younger Gordon and suggests that ''this'' is why he stayed at the Asylum to supervise his prisoner: That Gordon ''wants'' to believe Joker's just an anomaly and things will get back to normal in Gotham...yet deep down, he fears the Rubicon's been crossed and that Joker's debut and what he represents is the new normal -- and it's only going to get worse. He's right, of course.
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* CruelMercy: Why Joker spares Jim after their 'reunion' in ''Joker'' #3-4. Since Gordon has gone into the PI business, Joker wants to 'hire' him to investigate A-Day. While he wants to prove it ''was'' fa rame-up, Joker equally wants Gordon to figure out if it's who he thinks it is...and that the revelations of how broken the world and the justice system really are will finally, truly break Gordon's spirit and what's left of his idealism.

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* CruelMercy: Why Joker spares Jim after their 'reunion' in ''Joker'' #3-4. Since Gordon has gone into the PI business, Joker wants to 'hire' him to investigate A-Day. While he wants Joker does want to prove it ''was'' fa rame-up, a frame-up, there's another motivation. Joker equally wants Gordon to figure out if it's who he thinks it is...and that the revelations of how broken the world and the justice system really are will finally, truly break Gordon's spirit and what's left of his idealism.
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* CruelMercy: Why Joker spares Jim after their 'reunion' in ''Joker'' #3-4. Since Gordon has gone into the PI business, Joker wants to 'hire' him to investigate A-Day. While he wants to prove it ''was'' fa rame-up, Joker equally wants Gordon to figure out if it's who he thinks it is...and that the revelations of how broken the world and the justice system really are will finally, truly break Gordon's spirit and what's left of his idealism.
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* DownerEnding: ''Joker'' #13 and the end of the [[spoiler: ''Punchline'' backups. Despite the efforts of Harper Row and Leslie Thompokins, Punchline is acquitted by the jury and has fooled much of Gotham into believing she was a victim of the Joker rather than a willing accomplice.]]

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