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* DoesNotLikeShoes: Many characters walk around barefoot from time to time, which isn't so odd in a place like Palomar. Doralis, however, goes barefoot, indoors and outdoors, even in LA (althouh she does sometimes wear boots as part of her TV show costume). Other characters such as Maggie and Hopey have also gone barefoot in urban settings on occasion.
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* DoesNotLikeShoes: Many characters walk around barefoot from time to time, which isn't so odd in a place like Palomar. Doralis, however, goes barefoot, indoors and outdoors, even in LA (althouh she does sometimes wear boots as part of her TV show costume). Other characters such as Maggie and Hopey have also gone barefoot in urban settings on occasion.
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* DoesNotLikeShoes: Many characters walk around barefoot from time to time, which isn't so odd in a place like Palomar. Doralis, however, goes barefoot, indoors and outdoors, even in L.A. (She does sometimes wear boots as part of her TV show costume.)
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* DoesNotLikeShoes: Many characters walk around barefoot from time to time, which isn't so odd in a place like Palomar. Doralis, however, goes barefoot, indoors and outdoors, even in L.A. (She LA (althouh she does sometimes wear boots as part of her TV show costume.)costume). Other characters such as Maggie and Hopey have also gone barefoot in urban settings on occasion.
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. Big Breasts Big Deal will no longer be a trope but a disambig page for Big Breast Pride and D Cup Distress. Also please read the description for Buxom Is Better, it\'s not just for anytime a character breasts get mentioned in the series.
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* BigBreastsBigDeal and BuxomIsBetter: Luba's breasts are enormous. So are those belonging to most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritz and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the character arcs of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like "blimp-chest." Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she's a whore. Petra actually has the largest breasts out of all the women in the family until she has a breast reduction, going down to simply "regular busty." Luba's daughter Doralis has the hips and behind to match her chest. Her other daughter Guadalupe looks like she was going to escape the "family curse"...until she gets pregnant.
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* BuxomIsBetter: This trope gets PlayedWith many different ways throughout the series. Luba's breasts are enormous. So are those belonging to most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritz and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the character arcs of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like "blimp-chest." Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she's a whore.
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Turns out I was wrong earlier about the \"Fritzi\" vs. \"Fritz\" thing, so I edited her first appearance in the trope list for clarification.
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* {{Badass}}: Petra is a kick-boxing expert and severely beats several people she believes are hurting her sister Fritz, [[spoiler:including Fritz's girlfriend Pipo.]]
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* {{Badass}}: Petra is a kick-boxing expert and severely beats several people she believes are hurting her sister Fritz, Fritzi (AKA Fritz), [[spoiler:including Fritz's girlfriend Pipo.]]
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* HotMom: There's Luba, skinny, raven-haired with G-cup breasts. She has seven kids, and one of her daughters has a child, making Luba a GILF. Then there's Petra, a Hispanic natural blond with soccer girl legs and hips, Baby Got Back, gargantuan breasts (later surgically reduced to just "big") and an insatiable sexual appetite. And Maria, their glamorous bombshell mother, and Luba's daughter Guadalupe. 'Lupe even gets hotter after giving birth, since it's only then that the "Maria curse" kicks in. Namely, huge tits — it's genetics. Finally, there's Pipo, not a descendant of Maria but still hot as hell all the same. She has a bodacious rear that earns her countless slavering fans and a full-grown son. She's also a [[LipstickLesbian LipstickBisexual]].
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* HotMom: There's Luba, skinny, raven-haired with G-cup breasts. She has seven kids, and one of her daughters has a child, making Luba a GILF. [[GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave hot grandmother]] as well. Then there's Petra, a Hispanic natural blond with soccer girl legs and hips, Baby Got Back, large posterior, gargantuan breasts (later surgically reduced to just "big") and an insatiable sexual appetite. And Maria, their glamorous bombshell mother, and Luba's daughter Guadalupe. 'Lupe even gets hotter Guadalupe increases in bust size after giving birth, birth to her second child, since it's only then that the "Maria curse" kicks in. Namely, huge tits — it's genetics. Finally, there's Pipo, not a descendant of Maria but still hot as hell well-endowed all the same. She has a bodacious rear that earns her countless slavering fans and a full-grown son.same. She's also a [[LipstickLesbian LipstickBisexual]].
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* EverybodyHasLotsOfSex: The Volume 1 stories feature a great deal of non-marital sexual activity, considering their being set mostly in a tiny, insular, defiantly [[NewTechnologyIsEvil pre-technological]] (no phones, TV or computers; few cars) Central American village. In the miniseries and Volume 2 stories, set mainly in Los Angeles, this trope is dialed UpToEleven, at times approaching SelfParody. Whether straight, same-sex, two-person, multiple-partner, vanilla or kink... apart from prepubescent children, the very elderly and infirm, and the mentally disabled, there's scarcely a character who's neither said to have had, nor depicted having, sex at least once.
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* EverybodyHasLotsOfSex: The Volume 1 stories feature a great deal of non-marital sexual activity, considering their being set mostly in a tiny, insular, defiantly [[NewTechnologyIsEvil pre-technological]] (no phones, TV or computers; few cars) Central American village. In the miniseries and Volume 2 stories, set mainly in Los Angeles, this trope is dialed UpToEleven, at times approaching SelfParody. Whether straight, the activity is opposite-sex, same-sex, two-person, multiple-partner, vanilla or kink... apart from prepubescent children, the very elderly and infirm, and the mentally disabled, there's scarcely a character who's neither said to have had, nor depicted having, sex at least once.
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* EverybodyHasLotsOfSex: The Volume 1 stories feature a great deal of non-marital sexual activity, considering their being set mostly in a tiny, insular, defiantly [[NewTechnologyIsEvil pre-technological]] (no phones, TV or computers; few cars) Central American village. In the inter-volume and Volume 2 stories, set mainly in Los Angeles, this trope is dialed UpToEleven, at times approaching SelfParody. Whether straight, same-sex, two-person, multiple-partner, vanilla or kink... apart from prepubescent children, the very elderly and infirm, and the mentally disabled, there's scarcely a character who's neither said to have had, nor depicted having, sex at least once.
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* EverybodyHasLotsOfSex: The Volume 1 stories feature a great deal of non-marital sexual activity, considering their being set mostly in a tiny, insular, defiantly [[NewTechnologyIsEvil pre-technological]] (no phones, TV or computers; few cars) Central American village. In the inter-volume miniseries and Volume 2 stories, set mainly in Los Angeles, this trope is dialed UpToEleven, at times approaching SelfParody. Whether straight, same-sex, two-person, multiple-partner, vanilla or kink... apart from prepubescent children, the very elderly and infirm, and the mentally disabled, there's scarcely a character who's neither said to have had, nor depicted having, sex at least once.
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* EverybodyHasLotsOfSex: The Volume 1 stories feature a great deal of non-marital sexual activity, considering their being set mostly in a tiny, insular, defiantly [[NewTechnologyIsEvil pre-technological]] (no phones, TV or computers; few cars) Central American village. In the inter-volume and Volume 2 stories, set mainly in Los Angeles, this trope is dialed UpToEleven, at times approaching SelfParody. Whether straight, same-sex, two-person, multiple-partner, vanilla or kink... apart from prepubescent children, the very elderly and infirm, and the mentally disabled, there's scarcely a character who's neither said to have had, nor depicted having, sex at least once.
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* MaleFrontalNudity: Appears frequently for a non-pornographic, U.S.-published comic book saga. (That it's an [[AlternativeComics alternative comic]], with minimal ExecutiveMeddling, helps.) What's more, men's genitalia, though occasionally having plot significance, are generally presented as no more shocking or [[GagPenis comical]] than women's genitals are.
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* StylisticSuck: Scenes from Pipo's B-movie loosely based on Palomar, ''Proof That the Devil Loves You'', are interspersed with an in-continuity Palomar tale in ''New Stories'' Vol. 5. The film stars Fritz as the [[NubileSavage tree-dwelling]] BrainlessBeauty "Bula," a [[{{Flanderization}} Flanderized]] [[CompositeCharacter composite]] of Luba and Tonantzin. For protection, she carries a "[[LampshadeHanging symbolic screwdriver]]," lampooning Luba's signature [[DropTheHammer hammer]]. The Sherrif, an over-the-top tinpot dictator with a fondness for striking {{Captain Morgan Pose}}s with her foot resting on thin air, is a TakeThat to Chelo, with whom Pipo has often come into conflict over the latter's illegally short hemlines. Pipo herself serves as the inspiration for an unnamed MarySue character who starts a rebellion against the Sherrif and is immediately shot dead, and whom her young son avenges. The dialogue in these sequences is deliberatedly stilted and silly. All together, it serves as Gilbert's [[SelfParody own send-up]] of the Palomar saga.
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* {{Defictionalization}}: Played with. Although Pipo's B-movies ''Chance in Hell'', ''The Troublemakers'', ''Love from the Shadows'' and ''Maria M'', all starring Fritz, aren't ''movies'' in RealLife, Gilbert has written them as standalone graphic novels.
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* {{Defictionalization}}: Played with. Although Pipo's B-movies ''Chance in Hell'', ''The Troublemakers'', ''Love from the Shadows'' and ''Maria M'', all starring Fritz, aren't ''movies'' in RealLife, Gilbert has written issued them as standalone graphic novels.
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* {{Defictionalization}}: Played with. Although Pipo's B-movies ''Chance in Hell'', ''The Troublemakers'', ''Love from the Shadows'' and ''Maria M'', all starring Fritz, aren't ''movies'' in RealLife, Gilbert has written them as standalone graphic novels.
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* {{Eagleland}}
** Photographer Howard Miller, on his first visit to Palomar and prior to his CharacterDevelopment, embodies flavor 2 of this trope (Americans as inconsiderate, ethnocentric and invasive).
** Also a DiscussedTrope, in that several Palomar residents--most notably Luba, Chelo, Carmen and Pipo--have ''a priori'' negative views of America and its official language, English. Indeed, Luba and Pipo both refuse to learn English after immigrating there. Other characters, particularly Heraclio and Israel, have a more benign view of the U.S.
** Photographer Howard Miller, on his first visit to Palomar and prior to his CharacterDevelopment, embodies flavor 2 of this trope (Americans as inconsiderate, ethnocentric and invasive).
** Also a DiscussedTrope, in that several Palomar residents--most notably Luba, Chelo, Carmen and Pipo--have ''a priori'' negative views of America and its official language, English. Indeed, Luba and Pipo both refuse to learn English after immigrating there. Other characters, particularly Heraclio and Israel, have a more benign view of the U.S.
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While Luba\'s younger sister does get her nickname from Fritzi Ritz of Nancy, she always goes by \"Fritz,\" without the final \"i.\"
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* {{Badass}}: Petra is a kick-boxing expert and severely beats several people she believes are hurting her sister Fritzi, [[spoiler:including Fritzi's girlfriend Pipo.]]
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* {{Badass}}: Petra is a kick-boxing expert and severely beats several people she believes are hurting her sister Fritzi, Fritz, [[spoiler:including Fritzi's Fritz's girlfriend Pipo.]]
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* BigBreastsBigDeal and BuxomIsBetter: Luba's breasts are enormous. So are those belonging to most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritzi and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the character arcs of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like "blimp-chest." Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she's a whore. Petra actually has the largest breasts out of all the women in the family until she has a breast reduction, going down to simply "regular busty." Luba's daughter Doralis has the hips and behind to match her chest. Her other daughter Guadalupe looks like she was going to escape the "family curse"...until she gets pregnant.
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Gato, who has been married to both Pipo and Guadalupe, has a huge one. Pipo has apparently become accustomed to it and doesn't think much of average-sized men. She dates Igor, of comparable size (Gato and Igor actually compare in a bathroom), and later has several sexual encounters with an unnamed, sleazy-looking character who dwarfs even Gato and Igor. She has no problem with his size in any opening. But then there's Fritzi, who has a fulfilling sex life with mostly average-sized men - ironically including Pipo's son Sergio - and is twice married to the "love of her life," Scott the Hog. He's described as having a barely functioning "choad."
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Gato, who has been married to both Pipo and Guadalupe, has a huge one. Pipo has apparently become accustomed to it and doesn't think much of average-sized men. She dates Igor, of comparable size (Gato and Igor actually compare in a bathroom), and later has several sexual encounters with an unnamed, sleazy-looking character who dwarfs even Gato and Igor. She has no problem with his size in any opening. But then there's Fritzi, who has a fulfilling sex life with mostly average-sized men - ironically including Pipo's son Sergio - and is twice married to the "love of her life," Scott the Hog. He's described as having a barely functioning "choad."
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* BigBreastsBigDeal and BuxomIsBetter: Luba's breasts are enormous. So are those belonging to most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritzi Fritz and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the character arcs of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like "blimp-chest." Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she's a whore. Petra actually has the largest breasts out of all the women in the family until she has a breast reduction, going down to simply "regular busty." Luba's daughter Doralis has the hips and behind to match her chest. Her other daughter Guadalupe looks like she was going to escape the "family curse"...until she gets pregnant.
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Gato, who has been married to both Pipo and Guadalupe, has a huge one. Pipo has apparently become accustomed to it and doesn't think much of average-sized men. She dates Igor, of comparable size (Gato and Igor actually compare in a bathroom), and later has several sexual encounters with an unnamed, sleazy-looking character who dwarfs even Gato and Igor. She has no problem with his size in any opening. But then there'sFritzi, Fritz, who has a fulfilling sex life with mostly average-sized men - ironically including Pipo's son Sergio - and is twice married to the "love of her life," Scott the Hog. He's described as having a barely functioning "choad."
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Gato, who has been married to both Pipo and Guadalupe, has a huge one. Pipo has apparently become accustomed to it and doesn't think much of average-sized men. She dates Igor, of comparable size (Gato and Igor actually compare in a bathroom), and later has several sexual encounters with an unnamed, sleazy-looking character who dwarfs even Gato and Igor. She has no problem with his size in any opening. But then there's
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* BrainsAndBondage: Fritzi and Pipo frequent a BDSM sex club, and Fritzi in particular is obsessed with making her waist smaller with a corset. They are both intelligent and highly successful in show business.
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* BrainsAndBondage: Fritzi Fritz and Pipo frequent a BDSM sex club, and Fritzi Fritz in particular is obsessed with making her waist smaller with a corset. They are both intelligent and highly successful in show business.
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* UglyGuyHotWife: Fritzi's two-time husband and "one true love" is Scott the Hog. He's fat, snaggle-toothed, and apparently has a short penis that barely works. She's beautiful, has huge breasts, a slim waist and curvy hips. Then there's Luba and her husband Khamo, who used to be beautiful himself until he was severely burned on 95% of his body.
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* UglyGuyHotWife: Fritzi's Fritz's two-time husband and "one true love" is Scott the Hog. He's fat, snaggle-toothed, and apparently has a short penis that barely works. She's beautiful, has huge breasts, a slim waist and curvy hips. Then there's Luba and her husband Khamo, who used to be beautiful himself until he was severely burned on 95% of his body.
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* BigBreastsBigDeal and BuxomIsBetter: Luba's breasts are ''enormous''. So are most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritzi and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the characters of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like blimp-chest. Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she is a slut. Petra actually had the largest breasts out of all the women in the family until she had a breast reduction, going down to simply "regular busty." Luba's daughter Doralis has a delightful combination of huge rack and voluptuous hips and ass. Her other daughter Guadalupe looked like she was going to escape the "family curse"...until she got pregnant.
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* BigBreastsBigDeal and BuxomIsBetter: Luba's breasts are ''enormous''. enormous. So are those belonging to most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritzi and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the characters character arcs of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like blimp-chest. "blimp-chest." Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she is she's a slut. whore. Petra actually had has the largest breasts out of all the women in the family until she had has a breast reduction, going down to simply "regular busty." Luba's daughter Doralis has a delightful combination of huge rack and voluptuous the hips and ass. behind to match her chest. Her other daughter Guadalupe looked looks like she was going to escape the "family curse"...until she got gets pregnant.
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* PunnyName: Penny Century ("penitentiary"), Julie Wree ("jewelry") and Mary Christmas.
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* ConvenientMiscarriage: [[spoiler:Hopey]] becomes pregnant with [[spoiler:Tex's]] child, but miscarries.
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* ConvenientMiscarriage: [[spoiler:Hopey]] Hopey becomes pregnant with [[spoiler:Tex's]] Tex's child, but miscarries.
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** Luba, though not without genuine love for her children, is at times verbally and physically abusive towards them, particularly during "Human Diastrophism" and especially toward her eldest child Maricella, who ends up [[TheRunaway fleeing]] Palomar forever with her girlfriend Riri as a result.
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** Luba, though not without genuine love for her children, is at times verbally and physically abusive towards them, particularly during "Human Diastrophism" and especially toward her eldest child Maricella, Maricela, who ends up [[TheRunaway fleeing]] Palomar forever with her girlfriend Riri as a result.
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* TheRunaway: Maricella flees Palomar for the U.S. with her lover Riri in order to escape Luba's abuse and to live more openly as a couple.
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* HarmfulToMinors: In "Human Diastrophism," the toddler Casimira, exposed to her mother Luba's verbal and physical abuse of her children, starts yelling at and beating up her doll, addressing it by her sisters' names and even her own. Her ten-year-old sister Guadalupe tries in vain to have her cuddle the doll instead, presumably reflecting her own wish that their mother would be more loving.
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* ArtShift: Apart from the isolated one in the first issue (see above under ArtEvolution), the major instance throughout "Locas" occurs whenever there are scenes involving only young children. Jaime typically draws these sequences in a minimalist, gag-a-day NewspaperComic style. The major exception to this is "Browntown," which features a realistic style throughout, suiting the story's dark and ultimately [[{{Tragedy}} tragic]] tone.
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* ArtShift: Apart from the isolated one in the first issue (see above under ArtEvolution), the major instance throughout "Locas" occurs whenever there are scenes involving only centering on very young children.children and the adults who interact with them. Jaime typically draws these sequences in a minimalist, gag-a-day NewspaperComic style. The major exception to this is "Browntown," which features a realistic style throughout, suiting the story's dark and ultimately [[{{Tragedy}} tragic]] tone.
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* RepeatingSoTheAudienceCanHear: Because of his burn scars, Khamo can't speak intelligibly. Casimira interprets his mumblings for Luba, but it's not clear if she actually understands him or if she just says what she thinks her mother wants to hear.
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* RepeatingSoTheAudienceCanHear: Because of his burn scars, Khamo can't speak intelligibly. Casimira interprets his mumblings for Luba, but it's not clear if she actually understands him or if she just says what she thinks her mother wants to hear. hear.
* ResentfulGuardian
** Ofelia, as a young woman, at first resents being stuck raising her toddler cousin Luba in addition to her own ailing mother. However, she soon finds herself bonding with the child. Not that this prevents her from being an [[AbusiveParent abusive guardian]] at times.
** Luba veers between genuine love and concern for her children, and seeing them as an unasked-for burden.
---> The woman never wanted children, but [[LawOfInverseFertility they came anyway]]...
* ResentfulGuardian
** Ofelia, as a young woman, at first resents being stuck raising her toddler cousin Luba in addition to her own ailing mother. However, she soon finds herself bonding with the child. Not that this prevents her from being an [[AbusiveParent abusive guardian]] at times.
** Luba veers between genuine love and concern for her children, and seeing them as an unasked-for burden.
---> The woman never wanted children, but [[LawOfInverseFertility they came anyway]]...
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* AbusiveParents
** Luba, though not without genuine love for her children, is at times verbally and physically abusive towards them, particularly during "Human Diastrophism" and especially toward her eldest child Maricella, who ends up [[TheRunaway fleeing]] Palomar forever with her girlfriend Riri as a result.
** Similarly, Ofelia, Luba's cousin and guardian from toddlerhood until her teenage marriage to Peter, often threatens her into obedience with a DeathGlare and clenched fist.
** Luba, though not without genuine love for her children, is at times verbally and physically abusive towards them, particularly during "Human Diastrophism" and especially toward her eldest child Maricella, who ends up [[TheRunaway fleeing]] Palomar forever with her girlfriend Riri as a result.
** Similarly, Ofelia, Luba's cousin and guardian from toddlerhood until her teenage marriage to Peter, often threatens her into obedience with a DeathGlare and clenched fist.
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* BrainlessBeauty: Tonantzín, Khamo
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* CerebusRetcon: Dios mio, poor Fritz. Initially introduced as a sexy, funny, [[BrainsAndBondage kinky]], ReallyGetsAround {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, once she starts getting stories centering around her it becomes increasingly obvious that she's an incredibly damaged but [[ThePollyanna heartbreakingly, unjustifiedly, optimistic]] woman who's been sexually and financially exploited and emotionally abused by just about everyone she's ever known except her sisters.
* DoesNotLikeShoes: Characters will walk around barefoot from time to time. It's not so odd in a place like Palomar, but then you get people walking around the city without any shoes for no reason.
* DoesNotLikeShoes: Characters will walk around barefoot from time to time. It's not so odd in a place like Palomar, but then you get people walking around the city without any shoes for no reason.
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* CerebusRetcon: Dios mio, ''Dios mio,'' poor Fritz. Initially introduced as a sexy, funny, [[BrainsAndBondage kinky]], ReallyGetsAround {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, once she starts getting stories centering around her it becomes increasingly obvious that she's an incredibly damaged but [[ThePollyanna heartbreakingly, unjustifiedly, optimistic]] woman who's been sexually and financially exploited and emotionally abused by just about everyone she's ever known except her sisters.
* ChangingOfTheGuard: After Volume 2, the focus of the Palomar-related tales shifts from Luba and her immediate family to Guadalupe's daughter Killer.
* DoesNotLikeShoes:Characters will Many characters walk around barefoot from time to time. It's not time, which isn't so odd in a place like Palomar, but then you get people walking around the city without any shoes for no reason.Palomar. Doralis, however, goes barefoot, indoors and outdoors, even in L.A. (She does sometimes wear boots as part of her TV show costume.)
* ChangingOfTheGuard: After Volume 2, the focus of the Palomar-related tales shifts from Luba and her immediate family to Guadalupe's daughter Killer.
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* MadArtist - HumbertoMadArtist: Humberto, in "Human Diastrophism," becomes so obsessed with [[DoingItForTheArt creating art for art's sake]] that when he observes a serial killer in the act, he simply sketches him and doesn't report the murders. He even posts the drawings on the walls of his house and around the village, so removed is he from concern over being caught. When Sheriff Chelo later punishes him with a lifetime ban on drawing or painting, Humberto [[LoopholeAbuse creates sculptures instead]], hiding them at the bottom of the river.
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* ReallyGetsAround - Tonantzin - she has many many lovers.
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* ScarsAreForever: Khamo, very much so.
* SerialKiller: The storyline of "Human Diastrophism."
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* TheRunaway: Maricella flees Palomar for the U.S. with her lover Riri in order to escape Luba's abuse and to live more openly as a couple.
* SanitySlippage
** Tonantzin is at first an upbeat, hedonistic sort who dreams of Hollywood stardom. However, after her own lover, Geraldo, takes her hostage in "Duck Feet," she becomes pathologically obsessed with his radical politics, as well as with [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt doomsday]] scenarios, dressing like her aboriginal ancestors, and prolonged fasting (after [[MahatmaGandhi Gandhi's]] example). Although she seems to recover, she ends up [[spoiler: committing self-immolation at a political protest in the U.S.]].
** Luba undergoes a more temporary version of this trope during "Human Diastrophism." The combined stress of romantic troubles, raising four daughters (including a somewhat rebellious teenager), and the presence of a serial killer in town results in wild mood swings and increasingly frequent and violent abuse of her children. This culminates in a breakdown in which she attempts to give her daughters[[hottip:*:except for Maricela, who's already skipped town]] away to their respective fathers and, during a confrontation with Guadalupe, bursts into [[LaughingMad hysterical laughter]] at the sight of her most recent ex, Khamo, sporting an aboriginal mohawk.
* ScarsAreForever: Khamo, very muchso.
so, after he [[spoiler: throws himself on Tonantzin in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent her death from self-immolation]].
* SerialKiller: The main storyline of "Human Diastrophism."
* SanitySlippage
** Tonantzin is at first an upbeat, hedonistic sort who dreams of Hollywood stardom. However, after her own lover, Geraldo, takes her hostage in "Duck Feet," she becomes pathologically obsessed with his radical politics, as well as with [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt doomsday]] scenarios, dressing like her aboriginal ancestors, and prolonged fasting (after [[MahatmaGandhi Gandhi's]] example). Although she seems to recover, she ends up [[spoiler: committing self-immolation at a political protest in the U.S.]].
** Luba undergoes a more temporary version of this trope during "Human Diastrophism." The combined stress of romantic troubles, raising four daughters (including a somewhat rebellious teenager), and the presence of a serial killer in town results in wild mood swings and increasingly frequent and violent abuse of her children. This culminates in a breakdown in which she attempts to give her daughters[[hottip:*:except for Maricela, who's already skipped town]] away to their respective fathers and, during a confrontation with Guadalupe, bursts into [[LaughingMad hysterical laughter]] at the sight of her most recent ex, Khamo, sporting an aboriginal mohawk.
* ScarsAreForever: Khamo, very much
* SerialKiller: The main storyline of "Human Diastrophism."
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* EveryoneIsBi: Well, the women at any rate. And a couple of the men have moments.
* TheJailBaitWait: In the WholeEpisodeFlashback "Bay of Threes," H.R. (Herv) Costigan and Penny play a chaste cat-and-mouse game as they meet on three separate occasions as she moves from childhood to adulthood. Approaches {{Squick}} territory in that Herv launches a "stay in school" lecture tour of West Coast high schools just to track her down. The story [[LampshadeHanging lampshades]] this when he asks Penny's principal if there aren't any ''female'' problem students he can talk to and the principal upbraids him for treating her pupils like "death row inmates." Herv and Penny finally hook up once she's legal.
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* SealedEvilInACanSealedEvilInACan: Parodied in "Maggie vs Maniakk." Maggie plays with a "Mayamese mini transporter" and accidentally frees Maniakk, a costumed super evil trapped in the ninth dimension by Ultimax, a superhero now down on his luck.
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* EarnYourHappyEnding: Maggie and [[spoiler:Ray]], in ''Love and Rockets: New Stories'' no. 4, finally find lasting love with each other, but not until they reunite after two years because she'd been unaware [[spoiler:her long-lost mentally ill brother Calvin had beaten Ray and left him with a long period of recovery from brain damage]].
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* EarnYourHappyEnding: Maggie and [[spoiler:Ray]], in ''Love and Rockets: New Stories'' no. 4, at the conclusion of "The Love Bunglers," finally find lasting love with each other, but not until they reunite after two years because she'd been unaware [[spoiler:her long-lost mentally ill brother Calvin had beaten Ray and left him with a long period of recovery from brain damage]].
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* {{Cloudcuckoolander}}: Penny.
* {{Fiction 500}}: H.R. Costigan.
* {{Golddigger}}: Penny.
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* IJustWantToBeSpecial: Penny's lifelong dream is to gain super powers. It's the main reason (along with the opportunity to [[GoldDigger live the high life]]) she agrees to marry her suitor H.R. Costigan, and so she's disappointed when he can't oblige her because, he claims, super powers can only come from a FreakLabAccident. Penny contents herself with dressing occasionally in superhero costumes and, in one story, hiring guys to roleplay as stunt villains.
** In the AlternateUniverse story "God and Science: Return of the Ti-Girls," Penny gains super powers, for her and her children, from a sorceress's magic bath. It turns out that "the gift" of such powers is [[spoiler: [[ItWasWithYouAllAlong every woman's birthright]]]], and that Penny had previously failed to manifest her gift because she'd [[spoiler:[[YouWereTryingTooHard wanted it too much]]]].
** In the AlternateUniverse story "God and Science: Return of the Ti-Girls," Penny gains super powers, for her and her children, from a sorceress's magic bath. It turns out that "the gift" of such powers is [[spoiler: [[ItWasWithYouAllAlong every woman's birthright]]]], and that Penny had previously failed to manifest her gift because she'd [[spoiler:[[YouWereTryingTooHard wanted it too much]]]].
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* ShamelessFanserviceGirl: Penny not only goes nude at home on a whim, but occasionally and deliberately flashes men both at home and outdoors.
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* CerebusRetcon: Dios mio, poor Fritz. Initially introduced as a sexy, funny, [[BrainsAndBondage kinky]], ReallyGetsAround {{Cloudcuckoolander}}, once she starts getting stories centering around her it becomes increasingly obvious that she's an incredibly damaged but [[ThePollyanna heartbreakingly, unjustifiedly, optimistic]] woman who's been sexually and financially exploited and emotionally abused by just about everyone she's ever known except her sisters.
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* TheThemeParkVersion: Painfully invoked in canon. It turns out that some evil Hollywood types made a film very loosely inspired by the Palomar community, in which Fritz appeared as a character [[CompositeCharacter fusing]] elements of her sister Luba and Tonantzin, that depicted all the residents with contempt as deranged, violent, stereotypical peasants. It's implied that this contributed to Fritz and Luba falling out, as well as the reported film (not yet depicted in the comic) which had Fritz playing their mother Maria.
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** The first instance occurs in 1982, a few months into the first series, just before the first long "Locas" arc, "Mechanics." Characters lose their somewhat UncannyValley eyes, with their wide inverted (white) pupils, in favour of more realistic eyes.
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** The first instance occurs in 1982, a few months into the first series, just before Volume 1 Issue #2, with the first long "Locas" arc, "Mechanics." Characters lose their somewhat UncannyValley eyes, with their wide inverted (white) pupils, in favour of more realistic eyes.
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* ArtEvolution
** The first instance occurs in 1982, a few months into the first series, just before the first long "Locas" arc, "Mechanics." Characters lose their somewhat UncannyValley eyes, with their wide inverted (white) pupils, in favour of more realistic eyes.
** The second, more significant instance takes place in 1985, shortly after the conclusion of the final SF/action-adventure arc, "Las Mujeres Perdidas." Here the ink lines become bolder and more assured, and there's increased use of shading and {{Chiaroscuro}}. Of note is that this art style, which Jaime is best known for, initially appears in "How to Kill a... (By Isabel Ruebens)," the second-ever "Locas" story in the very first issue, in between two thinner-lined, "UncannyValley eye" stories, thus making it an ArtShift here.
* ArtShift: Apart from the isolated one in the first issue (see above under ArtEvolution), the major instance throughout "Locas" occurs whenever there are scenes involving only young children. Jaime typically draws these sequences in a minimalist, gag-a-day NewspaperComic style. The major exception to this is "Browntown," which features a realistic style throughout, suiting the story's dark and ultimately [[{{Tragedy}} tragic]] tone.
** The first instance occurs in 1982, a few months into the first series, just before the first long "Locas" arc, "Mechanics." Characters lose their somewhat UncannyValley eyes, with their wide inverted (white) pupils, in favour of more realistic eyes.
** The second, more significant instance takes place in 1985, shortly after the conclusion of the final SF/action-adventure arc, "Las Mujeres Perdidas." Here the ink lines become bolder and more assured, and there's increased use of shading and {{Chiaroscuro}}. Of note is that this art style, which Jaime is best known for, initially appears in "How to Kill a... (By Isabel Ruebens)," the second-ever "Locas" story in the very first issue, in between two thinner-lined, "UncannyValley eye" stories, thus making it an ArtShift here.
* ArtShift: Apart from the isolated one in the first issue (see above under ArtEvolution), the major instance throughout "Locas" occurs whenever there are scenes involving only young children. Jaime typically draws these sequences in a minimalist, gag-a-day NewspaperComic style. The major exception to this is "Browntown," which features a realistic style throughout, suiting the story's dark and ultimately [[{{Tragedy}} tragic]] tone.
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* RapeAsDrama: "Browntown" tells the story of how an unnamed boy repeatedly raped [[spoiler:Maggie's brother Calvin]] over a period of a few years as they grew up together, until [[spoiler:Calvin]] finally [[SanitySlippage snapped]] and beat the boy with a stick, possibly to death. It's implied that this trauma was the cause of [[spoiler:Calvin's]] lifelong psychosis, which later figures crucially in the resolution of [[spoiler:Maggie's]] storyline.
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* RapeAsDrama: "Browntown" tells the story of how an unnamed boy repeatedly raped [[spoiler:Maggie's brother Calvin]] over a period of a few years as they grew up together, until [[spoiler:Calvin]] finally [[SanitySlippage snapped]] and brutally beat the boy with a stick, possibly to death. It's implied that this trauma was the cause of [[spoiler:Calvin's]] lifelong psychosis, which later figures crucially in the resolution of [[spoiler:Maggie's]] storyline.
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* AllJustADream: [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] towards the end of "Bob Richardson," the final "Locas" story of Volume 1. Just as Maggie and Hopey are about to be reunited for the second time, there's a three-page sequence in which a noticeably younger Maggie wakes up to find that everything that's happened from "The Return of Ray D.," when she and Hopey split for the first time many years earlier, has been a dream. However, the setting then jumps right back to just before their second reunion.
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* {{Horror}}: Izzy, due to her persistent guilt over her divorce, abortion and suicide attempt, becomes a perpetual victim of harassment by TheDevil. When he reveals himself fully to her in Mexico, she begins to undergo SanitySlippage which continues as, upon her return to Hoppers, her house becomes infested with ceiling flies, demonic apparitions and uncontrollable gigantic growth when she suffers anxiety over public speaking. When the devil threatens to haunt Maggie as well, Izzy finally exorcises him by burning her house down and [[spoiler: disappearing or, perhaps, [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]]]; her ultimate fate is [[GainaxEnding ambiguous]].
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* {{Horror}}: Izzy, due to her persistent guilt over her divorce, abortion and suicide attempt, becomes a perpetual victim of harassment by TheDevil. When he reveals himself fully to her in Mexico, she begins to undergo SanitySlippage which continues as, upon her return to Hoppers, her house becomes infested with ceiling flies, demonic apparitions and uncontrollable gigantic growth when she suffers anxiety over public speaking. When the devil threatens to haunt Maggie as well, Izzy finally exorcises him by burning her house down and [[spoiler: disappearing or, perhaps, [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]]]; her ultimate fate is [[GainaxEnding ambiguous]].leaving Hoppers forever.
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''Love and Rockets'' is a long-running black-and-white comic book anthology series created by Gilbert, Jaime, and to a lesser extent Mario, Hernandez, often credited as "Los Bros Hernandez". The comic began when the brothers self-published their first issue and sent it to ''The Comics Journal'' for review. It impressed the people there so much that the magazine's publishers, Fantagraphics, decided to republish the comic and give the brothers an ongoing series.
The original ''Love And Rockets'' ran for fifty issues before a hiatus began in 1996, during which the brothers worked on other projects mainly spun-off from their ongoing plots. A "Volume 2" series began in 2001 and ran for twenty issues until 2007. In 2008, Los Bros bowed to the move from individual issues to larger bound volumes as the primary medium for art comics, and began an annual "Love and Rockets: New Stories" series in book format.
While the series contains a number of one-off short stories, the majority of the issues deal with one or both of two long-running serials. The first is Gilbert Hernandez's "Palomar" stories, a series on the borders of SliceOfLife and SoapOpera, covering several decades in the history of the people of the small Central American village of the title, in the village itself and elsewhere in Central America and the USA. The second is Jaime Hernandez's "Locas" series, dealing with the lives of two Hispanic-American friends and occasional lesbian lovers, Maggie and Hopey, and the characters who circle around them. The "Locas" stories initially had prominent pulp-SF and superhero elements, but soon became more naturalistic stories set in the working-class punk and/or Latina subcultures in California.
Not to be confused with the Music/{{Bauhaus}} spin-off band, although they ''did'' name themselves after this comic.
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!!The "Palomar" stories contain examples of:
* {{Badass}}: Petra is a kick-boxing expert and severely beats several people she believes are hurting her sister Fritzi, [[spoiler:including Fritzi's girlfriend Pipo.]]
* BadassGrandpa: Gorgo
* BigBreastsBigDeal and BuxomIsBetter: Luba's breasts are ''enormous''. So are most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritzi and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the characters of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like blimp-chest. Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she is a slut. Petra actually had the largest breasts out of all the women in the family until she had a breast reduction, going down to simply "regular busty." Luba's daughter Doralis has a delightful combination of huge rack and voluptuous hips and ass. Her other daughter Guadalupe looked like she was going to escape the "family curse"...until she got pregnant.
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Gato, who has been married to both Pipo and Guadalupe, has a huge one. Pipo has apparently become accustomed to it and doesn't think much of average-sized men. She dates Igor, of comparable size (Gato and Igor actually compare in a bathroom), and later has several sexual encounters with an unnamed, sleazy-looking character who dwarfs even Gato and Igor. She has no problem with his size in any opening. But then there's Fritzi, who has a fulfilling sex life with mostly average-sized men - ironically including Pipo's son Sergio - and is twice married to the "love of her life," Scott the Hog. He's described as having a barely functioning "choad."
* BrainlessBeauty: Tonantzín, Khamo
* BrainsAndBondage: Fritzi and Pipo frequent a BDSM sex club, and Fritzi in particular is obsessed with making her waist smaller with a corset. They are both intelligent and highly successful in show business.
* ButchLesbian: Maricela, although not to an extreme degree.
* DoesNotLikeShoes: Characters will walk around barefoot from time to time. It's not so odd in a place like Palomar, but then you get people walking around the city without any shoes for no reason.
* [[DrivenToSuicide Driven To]] HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler:Tonantzin]]
* DropTheHammer: Luba's trade mark.
* {{Expy}}: Luba has the same name and appearance as a character in Gilbert's early MindScrew SF story "BEM", and there have been a couple of dream and hallucination sequences in which Palomar characters have seen her as the "BEM" Luba. Gilbert's dark SF protagonist Errata Stigmata, with her distinctive part-white hair, has made a few cameos in "Palomar" stories, including as a visitor at a fiesta, as a child's doll, and as a receptionist at Pipo's boutique.
* FemmeFatale: Maria and her female descendants, to some extent.
* {{Gayngster}}: several characters in the "Poison River" story.
* HollywoodPudgy: In-universe. The series points out how ludicrous this is with Doralis, one of Luba's daughter who stars in a hit TV variety show. She started out as a back-up to an anorexic blond who insults her for her incredibly voluptuous figure. The blond ends up getting edged out of the show and Doralis gains millions of male and female admirers.
* GenerationalSaga: several family lines within the story, but especially Luba's family.
* HotMom: There's Luba, skinny, raven-haired with G-cup breasts. She has seven kids, and one of her daughters has a child, making Luba a GILF. Then there's Petra, a Hispanic natural blond with soccer girl legs and hips, Baby Got Back, gargantuan breasts (later surgically reduced to just "big") and an insatiable sexual appetite. And Maria, their glamorous bombshell mother, and Luba's daughter Guadalupe. 'Lupe even gets hotter after giving birth, since it's only then that the "Maria curse" kicks in. Namely, huge tits — it's genetics. Finally, there's Pipo, not a descendant of Maria but still hot as hell all the same. She has a bodacious rear that earns her countless slavering fans and a full-grown son. She's also a [[LipstickLesbian LipstickBisexual]].
* TheIllegal: Much of Luba's family immigrates to the US illegally.
* ItWorksBetterWithBullets: DoubleSubversion. In "Duck Feet," Chelo, the town sheriff, gives Tonantzín a pistol so she can patrol the village while Chelo is sick. Tonantzín realizes Chelo wouldn't trust her with a loaded gun, and takes the town's other pistol from Chelo's desk instead. Later, when Geraldo takes Tonantzin hostage with that pistol, which he'd earlier stolen from her, Chelo reveals she knew Tonantzin would switch the guns, and so had left the pistol in her desk unloaded too.
* LaserGuidedKarma
* LawOfInverseFertility: Luba has an astonishing ability to get pregnant through casual liaisons that only happened once: [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation some fans]] suggest that she actually prefers to be a single mother and does it deliberately.
* LeftHanging: the final Palomar story at the end of Volume 1 ends with a massive cliffhanger that also appears to be setting up a CrossOver with Jaime's "Locas" stories[[hottip:*:Izzy Ortiz turns up claiming to know the fate of Israel's sister]]. It has still never been resolved or even referred to.
* LipstickLesbian: Doralis, Luba's TV-star daughter, is one of these. Her older sister Maricela, not so much. See above. It's implied that Luba's other three daughters (besides clearly straight Guadalupe) are or will grow up to be lesbians as well. Considering how they look in a future dream sequence, it's safe to say they will also be the lipstick variety.
* LittleMissSnarker: Venus, Petra's daughter.
* LoveDodecahedron: This happens often.
* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters
* MadArtist - Humberto
* MagicRealism: This series features a lot of it, for example the nude painting of Luba that continues to reappear throughout the series despite several on-panel destructions.
* ManlyGay: Israel and some of the aforementioned Gayngsters.
* TheNapoleon: Carmen - short and domineering.
* ParentService: In-canon - Doralis's role as kids' TV show presenter.
* ThePornomancer: Fortunato, a blond, light-eyed man who appears out of the blue at multiple points in the series, and has sex with almost every female character. He even scores Doralis, otherwise a stalwart LipstickLesbian. Fortunato's conquests are not limited to the beautiful women, either - he has sex with the dwarfish Boots in one scene.
* ReallyGetsAround - Tonantzin - she has many many lovers.
* RecursiveCanon
* RepeatingSoTheAudienceCanHear: Because of his burn scars, Khamo can't speak intelligibly. Casimira interprets his mumblings for Luba, but it's not clear if she actually understands him or if she just says what she thinks her mother wants to hear.
* RetiredBadass: Gorgo.
* RichBoredom: Young Luba.
* ScarsAreForever: Khamo, very much so.
* SerialKiller: The storyline of "Human Diastrophism."
* SouthOfTheBorder: Palomar is in an unnamed Central American country which is almost certainly Mexico.
* TakeThat: The "Love And Rockets X" storyline set in LA contains several playful barbs aimed at the popular British post-punk band who had adopted the name "Love And Rockets" without the Hernandez brothers' permission.
* UglyGuyHotWife: Fritzi's two-time husband and "one true love" is Scott the Hog. He's fat, snaggle-toothed, and apparently has a short penis that barely works. She's beautiful, has huge breasts, a slim waist and curvy hips. Then there's Luba and her husband Khamo, who used to be beautiful himself until he was severely burned on 95% of his body.
* WideEyedIdealist: Steve.
!!The "Locas" stories contain examples of:
* TheArtifact: the hangovers from the earlier SF tone, like H.R.'s horns.
* BananaRepublic: Zymbodia, and nearby Zhato which is ruled on and off by dictators from the San Jo family.
* BlackComedyRape
* BreakoutCharacter: Ray, Doyle, Vivian (AKA "Frogmouth").
* ButchLesbian: Hopey at times, several other minor characters.
* CerebusSyndrome: "Vida Loca: The Death of Speedy Ortiz" is the first arc in which a prominent character, who isn't a disposable cartoonish villain, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin dies]].
* ChangingOfTheGuard: With Maggie's story having in effect concluded in ''Love and Rockets: New Stories'' no. 4, the next installment introduces a new protagonist, Vivian's half-sister Tonta. She's a younger, if less glamorous, counterpart to Maggie in terms of her naivete and PunkRock aesthetic.
* ConvenientMiscarriage: [[spoiler:Hopey]] becomes pregnant with [[spoiler:Tex's]] child, but miscarries.
* DarkAndTroubledPast
** The tough, no-nonsense, musically talented Terry Downe ends up as one of the more successful "Locas" characters, as her band gains in popularity. However, the story "Tear It Up, Terry Downe" reveals that her stepfather kicked her out when she was a teenager. Having nowhere else to go, she roomed with a lecherous drug dealer. During this time, she became the dominant, [[GreenEyedMonster abusively possessive]] girlfriend of the then-innocent [[TheRunaway runaway]] Hopey; however, as Hopey took to the punk lifestyle, she quickly inverted their relationship. Terry then suffered heartbreak as Hopey attached herself to Maggie instead.
** Doyle Blackburn is a usually upbeat, carefree, hard-partying [[TheDrifter drifter]]. However, "Spring 1982" provides a glimpse of his past as a miserable ex-con and recovering drug addict in a troubled relationship with a stripper for whose business he works.
* DepravedBisexual: Lois.
* DoesNotLikeShoes: Several characters, most notably Maggie, often go barefoot outdoors.
* DrivenToSuicide: Speedy; possibly [[spoiler: [[GainaxEnding Izzy]]]].
* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness
** The first two years' worth of stories are mainly SF/action-adventure oriented. The existence of superheroes, extraterrestrial and extradimensional villains, and surviving dinosaur species, all are common knowledge in-universe. Although the fantastic elements never [[TheArtifact completely disappear]], they fade into the background as the focus of the series shifts to realistic portrayals of interpersonal relationships within the southern Californian PunkRock scene, the Mexican-American community, the ProfessionalWrestling field, and elsewhere.
** Early stories frequently play with FourthWall tropes, having characters [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall compare their predicament]] to the climax of a ComicBook story and, in a couple of instances, [[BreakingTheFourthWall show full awareness]] that they're comic book characters.
* EarnYourHappyEnding: Maggie and [[spoiler:Ray]], in ''Love and Rockets: New Stories'' no. 4, finally find lasting love with each other, but not until they reunite after two years because she'd been unaware [[spoiler:her long-lost mentally ill brother Calvin had beaten Ray and left him with a long period of recovery from brain damage]].
* EasilyForgiven: Following a night out with his lifelong friend Doyle, Ray awakes one morning with not only a hangover but also a feeling of unease and dread he [[WhatDidIDoLastNight can't quite determine the cause of]]. Later that day, hanging out with Doyle again, he suddenly remembers that Doyle had gone down on him. Despite Ray being straight, and notwithstanding the [[ButLiquorIsQuicker morally questionable]] aspect of Doyle's actions (even though he too was drunk), the two of them simply [[BlackComedyRape laugh it off]] and the incident is never mentioned again.
* {{Expy}}: Jaime's SF heroine Rocky appears briefly as a friend of Danita's, with her robot Fumble apparently as a lifeless toy in her bedroom.
* EveryoneIsBi: Well, the women at any rate. And a couple of the men have moments.
* FaceOnAMilkCarton: Hopey, in "Wigwam Bam." [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] in that she's not a "missing person" at any point in that story, except figuratively from Maggie's life. The "Hopey's face" mystery turns out to have been a [[spoiler:marketing gimmick by a punk band formed by some of her fans]].
* FriendsWithBenefits: Maggie and Hopey veer between this, JustFriends, and open-relationship lovers for much of the series.
* {{Horror}}: Izzy, due to her persistent guilt over her divorce, abortion and suicide attempt, becomes a perpetual victim of harassment by TheDevil. When he reveals himself fully to her in Mexico, she begins to undergo SanitySlippage which continues as, upon her return to Hoppers, her house becomes infested with ceiling flies, demonic apparitions and uncontrollable gigantic growth when she suffers anxiety over public speaking. When the devil threatens to haunt Maggie as well, Izzy finally exorcises him by burning her house down and [[spoiler: disappearing or, perhaps, [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]]]; her ultimate fate is [[GainaxEnding ambiguous]].
* [[ImpossiblyCoolWealth Fiction 500]]: H.R. Costigan.
* {{Golddigger}}: Penny.
* IfItsYouItsOkay: Hopey is mostly lesbian; Maggie has claimed that Hopey is the only woman she has ever wanted to have sex with, although she does have a brief casual kissing fling with Vivian (for whom ''Maggie'' appears to be her one exception, despite her homophobia).
* LiteraryAgentHypothesis: it's hinted in a couple of the later more naturalistic stories that the early "Maggie the Mechanic" stories were daydreams, or fantasies Maggie made up to entertain Hopey.
* MagicRealism: Most prominent in the early, SF adventure stories, as well as throughout Izzy's arcs, which contain a number of {{Horror}} elements.
* MistakenForProstitute: Happens to Maggie three times. Played with the first two times as she does in fact accept money for sex, after being unintentionally propositioned, the first time because she needs cash for a bus out of town and the second time out of depression. Played straight the third time, as she simply beats up her propositioner.
* ProfessionalWrestling: Maggie's aunt Vicki, Rena, [[NoNameGiven El Diablo Blanco]], Gina and Xochitl, among several others, are pro wrestlers. Vicki also strongarms Maggie into playing the part of her accountant, and tries, less successfully, to get her into wrestling herself.
* PunkRock: Several of the main characters are fans; Hopey and Terry perform in bands.
* RapeAsDrama: "Browntown" tells the story of how an unnamed boy repeatedly raped [[spoiler:Maggie's brother Calvin]] over a period of a few years as they grew up together, until [[spoiler:Calvin]] finally [[SanitySlippage snapped]] and beat the boy with a stick, possibly to death. It's implied that this trauma was the cause of [[spoiler:Calvin's]] lifelong psychosis, which later figures crucially in the resolution of [[spoiler:Maggie's]] storyline.
* SacrificialLion: Speedy.
* SealedEvilInACan
* ShipperOnDeck: Penny, for Maggie and Hopey.
* TattooedCrook: Hopey and Maggie's friend and sometimes landlady Izzie Ortiz has a frequently-visible tattoo on her arm of the emblem of the "Widows", the all-female street gang she used to be a member of.
* UnclePennybags: H.R. Costigan.
* WrenchWench: Maggie.
* WriterRevolt: Jaime can get pretty irate with fans who demand to know when Maggie will get slim again.
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''Love and Rockets'' is a long-running black-and-white comic book anthology series created by Gilbert, Jaime, and to a lesser extent Mario, Hernandez, often credited as "Los Bros Hernandez". The comic began when the brothers self-published their first issue and sent it to ''The Comics Journal'' for review. It impressed the people there so much that the magazine's publishers, Fantagraphics, decided to republish the comic and give the brothers an ongoing series.
The original ''Love And Rockets'' ran for fifty issues before a hiatus began in 1996, during which the brothers worked on other projects mainly spun-off from their ongoing plots. A "Volume 2" series began in 2001 and ran for twenty issues until 2007. In 2008, Los Bros bowed to the move from individual issues to larger bound volumes as the primary medium for art comics, and began an annual "Love and Rockets: New Stories" series in book format.
While the series contains a number of one-off short stories, the majority of the issues deal with one or both of two long-running serials. The first is Gilbert Hernandez's "Palomar" stories, a series on the borders of SliceOfLife and SoapOpera, covering several decades in the history of the people of the small Central American village of the title, in the village itself and elsewhere in Central America and the USA. The second is Jaime Hernandez's "Locas" series, dealing with the lives of two Hispanic-American friends and occasional lesbian lovers, Maggie and Hopey, and the characters who circle around them. The "Locas" stories initially had prominent pulp-SF and superhero elements, but soon became more naturalistic stories set in the working-class punk and/or Latina subcultures in California.
Not to be confused with the Music/{{Bauhaus}} spin-off band, although they ''did'' name themselves after this comic.
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!!The "Palomar" stories contain examples of:
* {{Badass}}: Petra is a kick-boxing expert and severely beats several people she believes are hurting her sister Fritzi, [[spoiler:including Fritzi's girlfriend Pipo.]]
* BadassGrandpa: Gorgo
* BigBreastsBigDeal and BuxomIsBetter: Luba's breasts are ''enormous''. So are most of her female relatives, especially her mother Maria and half-sisters Fritzi and Petra. Their huge busts are constantly commented on by others and are a very integral part of the characters of Luba, Maria, and the rest of the girls in the family. The attention they receive runs the realistic gamut from fascinated and aroused men, disgusted men with a preference for thinner women, and jealous women who call them names like blimp-chest. Luba in particular has complained that her build makes people automatically assume that she is a slut. Petra actually had the largest breasts out of all the women in the family until she had a breast reduction, going down to simply "regular busty." Luba's daughter Doralis has a delightful combination of huge rack and voluptuous hips and ass. Her other daughter Guadalupe looked like she was going to escape the "family curse"...until she got pregnant.
* BiggerIsBetterInBed: Gato, who has been married to both Pipo and Guadalupe, has a huge one. Pipo has apparently become accustomed to it and doesn't think much of average-sized men. She dates Igor, of comparable size (Gato and Igor actually compare in a bathroom), and later has several sexual encounters with an unnamed, sleazy-looking character who dwarfs even Gato and Igor. She has no problem with his size in any opening. But then there's Fritzi, who has a fulfilling sex life with mostly average-sized men - ironically including Pipo's son Sergio - and is twice married to the "love of her life," Scott the Hog. He's described as having a barely functioning "choad."
* BrainlessBeauty: Tonantzín, Khamo
* BrainsAndBondage: Fritzi and Pipo frequent a BDSM sex club, and Fritzi in particular is obsessed with making her waist smaller with a corset. They are both intelligent and highly successful in show business.
* ButchLesbian: Maricela, although not to an extreme degree.
* DoesNotLikeShoes: Characters will walk around barefoot from time to time. It's not so odd in a place like Palomar, but then you get people walking around the city without any shoes for no reason.
* [[DrivenToSuicide Driven To]] HeroicSacrifice: [[spoiler:Tonantzin]]
* DropTheHammer: Luba's trade mark.
* {{Expy}}: Luba has the same name and appearance as a character in Gilbert's early MindScrew SF story "BEM", and there have been a couple of dream and hallucination sequences in which Palomar characters have seen her as the "BEM" Luba. Gilbert's dark SF protagonist Errata Stigmata, with her distinctive part-white hair, has made a few cameos in "Palomar" stories, including as a visitor at a fiesta, as a child's doll, and as a receptionist at Pipo's boutique.
* FemmeFatale: Maria and her female descendants, to some extent.
* {{Gayngster}}: several characters in the "Poison River" story.
* HollywoodPudgy: In-universe. The series points out how ludicrous this is with Doralis, one of Luba's daughter who stars in a hit TV variety show. She started out as a back-up to an anorexic blond who insults her for her incredibly voluptuous figure. The blond ends up getting edged out of the show and Doralis gains millions of male and female admirers.
* GenerationalSaga: several family lines within the story, but especially Luba's family.
* HotMom: There's Luba, skinny, raven-haired with G-cup breasts. She has seven kids, and one of her daughters has a child, making Luba a GILF. Then there's Petra, a Hispanic natural blond with soccer girl legs and hips, Baby Got Back, gargantuan breasts (later surgically reduced to just "big") and an insatiable sexual appetite. And Maria, their glamorous bombshell mother, and Luba's daughter Guadalupe. 'Lupe even gets hotter after giving birth, since it's only then that the "Maria curse" kicks in. Namely, huge tits — it's genetics. Finally, there's Pipo, not a descendant of Maria but still hot as hell all the same. She has a bodacious rear that earns her countless slavering fans and a full-grown son. She's also a [[LipstickLesbian LipstickBisexual]].
* TheIllegal: Much of Luba's family immigrates to the US illegally.
* ItWorksBetterWithBullets: DoubleSubversion. In "Duck Feet," Chelo, the town sheriff, gives Tonantzín a pistol so she can patrol the village while Chelo is sick. Tonantzín realizes Chelo wouldn't trust her with a loaded gun, and takes the town's other pistol from Chelo's desk instead. Later, when Geraldo takes Tonantzin hostage with that pistol, which he'd earlier stolen from her, Chelo reveals she knew Tonantzin would switch the guns, and so had left the pistol in her desk unloaded too.
* LaserGuidedKarma
* LawOfInverseFertility: Luba has an astonishing ability to get pregnant through casual liaisons that only happened once: [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation some fans]] suggest that she actually prefers to be a single mother and does it deliberately.
* LeftHanging: the final Palomar story at the end of Volume 1 ends with a massive cliffhanger that also appears to be setting up a CrossOver with Jaime's "Locas" stories[[hottip:*:Izzy Ortiz turns up claiming to know the fate of Israel's sister]]. It has still never been resolved or even referred to.
* LipstickLesbian: Doralis, Luba's TV-star daughter, is one of these. Her older sister Maricela, not so much. See above. It's implied that Luba's other three daughters (besides clearly straight Guadalupe) are or will grow up to be lesbians as well. Considering how they look in a future dream sequence, it's safe to say they will also be the lipstick variety.
* LittleMissSnarker: Venus, Petra's daughter.
* LoveDodecahedron: This happens often.
* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters
* MadArtist - Humberto
* MagicRealism: This series features a lot of it, for example the nude painting of Luba that continues to reappear throughout the series despite several on-panel destructions.
* ManlyGay: Israel and some of the aforementioned Gayngsters.
* TheNapoleon: Carmen - short and domineering.
* ParentService: In-canon - Doralis's role as kids' TV show presenter.
* ThePornomancer: Fortunato, a blond, light-eyed man who appears out of the blue at multiple points in the series, and has sex with almost every female character. He even scores Doralis, otherwise a stalwart LipstickLesbian. Fortunato's conquests are not limited to the beautiful women, either - he has sex with the dwarfish Boots in one scene.
* ReallyGetsAround - Tonantzin - she has many many lovers.
* RecursiveCanon
* RepeatingSoTheAudienceCanHear: Because of his burn scars, Khamo can't speak intelligibly. Casimira interprets his mumblings for Luba, but it's not clear if she actually understands him or if she just says what she thinks her mother wants to hear.
* RetiredBadass: Gorgo.
* RichBoredom: Young Luba.
* ScarsAreForever: Khamo, very much so.
* SerialKiller: The storyline of "Human Diastrophism."
* SouthOfTheBorder: Palomar is in an unnamed Central American country which is almost certainly Mexico.
* TakeThat: The "Love And Rockets X" storyline set in LA contains several playful barbs aimed at the popular British post-punk band who had adopted the name "Love And Rockets" without the Hernandez brothers' permission.
* UglyGuyHotWife: Fritzi's two-time husband and "one true love" is Scott the Hog. He's fat, snaggle-toothed, and apparently has a short penis that barely works. She's beautiful, has huge breasts, a slim waist and curvy hips. Then there's Luba and her husband Khamo, who used to be beautiful himself until he was severely burned on 95% of his body.
* WideEyedIdealist: Steve.
!!The "Locas" stories contain examples of:
* TheArtifact: the hangovers from the earlier SF tone, like H.R.'s horns.
* BananaRepublic: Zymbodia, and nearby Zhato which is ruled on and off by dictators from the San Jo family.
* BlackComedyRape
* BreakoutCharacter: Ray, Doyle, Vivian (AKA "Frogmouth").
* ButchLesbian: Hopey at times, several other minor characters.
* CerebusSyndrome: "Vida Loca: The Death of Speedy Ortiz" is the first arc in which a prominent character, who isn't a disposable cartoonish villain, [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin dies]].
* ChangingOfTheGuard: With Maggie's story having in effect concluded in ''Love and Rockets: New Stories'' no. 4, the next installment introduces a new protagonist, Vivian's half-sister Tonta. She's a younger, if less glamorous, counterpart to Maggie in terms of her naivete and PunkRock aesthetic.
* ConvenientMiscarriage: [[spoiler:Hopey]] becomes pregnant with [[spoiler:Tex's]] child, but miscarries.
* DarkAndTroubledPast
** The tough, no-nonsense, musically talented Terry Downe ends up as one of the more successful "Locas" characters, as her band gains in popularity. However, the story "Tear It Up, Terry Downe" reveals that her stepfather kicked her out when she was a teenager. Having nowhere else to go, she roomed with a lecherous drug dealer. During this time, she became the dominant, [[GreenEyedMonster abusively possessive]] girlfriend of the then-innocent [[TheRunaway runaway]] Hopey; however, as Hopey took to the punk lifestyle, she quickly inverted their relationship. Terry then suffered heartbreak as Hopey attached herself to Maggie instead.
** Doyle Blackburn is a usually upbeat, carefree, hard-partying [[TheDrifter drifter]]. However, "Spring 1982" provides a glimpse of his past as a miserable ex-con and recovering drug addict in a troubled relationship with a stripper for whose business he works.
* DepravedBisexual: Lois.
* DoesNotLikeShoes: Several characters, most notably Maggie, often go barefoot outdoors.
* DrivenToSuicide: Speedy; possibly [[spoiler: [[GainaxEnding Izzy]]]].
* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness
** The first two years' worth of stories are mainly SF/action-adventure oriented. The existence of superheroes, extraterrestrial and extradimensional villains, and surviving dinosaur species, all are common knowledge in-universe. Although the fantastic elements never [[TheArtifact completely disappear]], they fade into the background as the focus of the series shifts to realistic portrayals of interpersonal relationships within the southern Californian PunkRock scene, the Mexican-American community, the ProfessionalWrestling field, and elsewhere.
** Early stories frequently play with FourthWall tropes, having characters [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall compare their predicament]] to the climax of a ComicBook story and, in a couple of instances, [[BreakingTheFourthWall show full awareness]] that they're comic book characters.
* EarnYourHappyEnding: Maggie and [[spoiler:Ray]], in ''Love and Rockets: New Stories'' no. 4, finally find lasting love with each other, but not until they reunite after two years because she'd been unaware [[spoiler:her long-lost mentally ill brother Calvin had beaten Ray and left him with a long period of recovery from brain damage]].
* EasilyForgiven: Following a night out with his lifelong friend Doyle, Ray awakes one morning with not only a hangover but also a feeling of unease and dread he [[WhatDidIDoLastNight can't quite determine the cause of]]. Later that day, hanging out with Doyle again, he suddenly remembers that Doyle had gone down on him. Despite Ray being straight, and notwithstanding the [[ButLiquorIsQuicker morally questionable]] aspect of Doyle's actions (even though he too was drunk), the two of them simply [[BlackComedyRape laugh it off]] and the incident is never mentioned again.
* {{Expy}}: Jaime's SF heroine Rocky appears briefly as a friend of Danita's, with her robot Fumble apparently as a lifeless toy in her bedroom.
* EveryoneIsBi: Well, the women at any rate. And a couple of the men have moments.
* FaceOnAMilkCarton: Hopey, in "Wigwam Bam." [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] in that she's not a "missing person" at any point in that story, except figuratively from Maggie's life. The "Hopey's face" mystery turns out to have been a [[spoiler:marketing gimmick by a punk band formed by some of her fans]].
* FriendsWithBenefits: Maggie and Hopey veer between this, JustFriends, and open-relationship lovers for much of the series.
* {{Horror}}: Izzy, due to her persistent guilt over her divorce, abortion and suicide attempt, becomes a perpetual victim of harassment by TheDevil. When he reveals himself fully to her in Mexico, she begins to undergo SanitySlippage which continues as, upon her return to Hoppers, her house becomes infested with ceiling flies, demonic apparitions and uncontrollable gigantic growth when she suffers anxiety over public speaking. When the devil threatens to haunt Maggie as well, Izzy finally exorcises him by burning her house down and [[spoiler: disappearing or, perhaps, [[DrivenToSuicide committing suicide]]]]; her ultimate fate is [[GainaxEnding ambiguous]].
* [[ImpossiblyCoolWealth Fiction 500]]: H.R. Costigan.
* {{Golddigger}}: Penny.
* IfItsYouItsOkay: Hopey is mostly lesbian; Maggie has claimed that Hopey is the only woman she has ever wanted to have sex with, although she does have a brief casual kissing fling with Vivian (for whom ''Maggie'' appears to be her one exception, despite her homophobia).
* LiteraryAgentHypothesis: it's hinted in a couple of the later more naturalistic stories that the early "Maggie the Mechanic" stories were daydreams, or fantasies Maggie made up to entertain Hopey.
* MagicRealism: Most prominent in the early, SF adventure stories, as well as throughout Izzy's arcs, which contain a number of {{Horror}} elements.
* MistakenForProstitute: Happens to Maggie three times. Played with the first two times as she does in fact accept money for sex, after being unintentionally propositioned, the first time because she needs cash for a bus out of town and the second time out of depression. Played straight the third time, as she simply beats up her propositioner.
* ProfessionalWrestling: Maggie's aunt Vicki, Rena, [[NoNameGiven El Diablo Blanco]], Gina and Xochitl, among several others, are pro wrestlers. Vicki also strongarms Maggie into playing the part of her accountant, and tries, less successfully, to get her into wrestling herself.
* PunkRock: Several of the main characters are fans; Hopey and Terry perform in bands.
* RapeAsDrama: "Browntown" tells the story of how an unnamed boy repeatedly raped [[spoiler:Maggie's brother Calvin]] over a period of a few years as they grew up together, until [[spoiler:Calvin]] finally [[SanitySlippage snapped]] and beat the boy with a stick, possibly to death. It's implied that this trauma was the cause of [[spoiler:Calvin's]] lifelong psychosis, which later figures crucially in the resolution of [[spoiler:Maggie's]] storyline.
* SacrificialLion: Speedy.
* SealedEvilInACan
* ShipperOnDeck: Penny, for Maggie and Hopey.
* TattooedCrook: Hopey and Maggie's friend and sometimes landlady Izzie Ortiz has a frequently-visible tattoo on her arm of the emblem of the "Widows", the all-female street gang she used to be a member of.
* UnclePennybags: H.R. Costigan.
* WrenchWench: Maggie.
* WriterRevolt: Jaime can get pretty irate with fans who demand to know when Maggie will get slim again.
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