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* OhCrap: Barracuda has a ''very'' subdued but still visible one upon meeting Fury for the first time.
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* LudicrousPrecision: By the Vietnam war, General Giap is incharge of the NVA training cadres, which the CIA report have improved by 30%. [[spoiler:Fury later lampshades it as a clear BS when he learns why they really want him dead.]]

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* LudicrousPrecision: By the Vietnam war, General Giap is incharge in charge of the NVA training cadres, which the CIA report have improved by 30%. [[spoiler:Fury later lampshades it as a clear BS when he learns why they really want him dead.]]



* MeaningfulRename: An interesting inversion serves to cap the first arc, set in what both arc and characters refer to as "French Indo-China", during a conflict ostensibly against Communism but in reality to keep the country subjugated under French rule. Following a major Viet Minh victory, Captain Letrong Giap gives a warning with what is more of a Meaningful Reclamation:
-->'''Letrong Giap''': This is not French Indochina, Colonel Fury. It is not French anything. This is '''Vietnam'''.

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* MeaningfulRename: An interesting inversion serves to cap the first arc, set in what both arc and characters refer to as "French Indo-China", during a conflict ostensibly against Communism but in reality to keep the country subjugated under French rule. Following a major Viet Minh victory, Captain Letrong Le Trong Giap gives a warning with what is more of a Meaningful Reclamation:
-->'''Letrong -->'''Le Trong Giap''': This is not French Indochina, Colonel Fury. It is not French anything. This is '''Vietnam'''.
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* LegionOfLostSouls: Fury visits a French outpost in Indochina staffed by the Foreign Legion and other units. The local SergeantRock is an AffablyEvil former SS Captain turned Sergeant who takes offense to accusations of perpetrating atrocities in concentration camps (he was on the Eastern front) and says they merely made Jews dig a ditch, lined them up, and shot them.

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* LegionOfLostSouls: Fury visits a French outpost in Indochina staffed by the Foreign Legion and other units. The local SergeantRock is an AffablyEvil former SS Captain turned Sergeant who takes offense to accusations of perpetrating atrocities in concentration camps (he was on the Eastern front) Front) and says they merely made Jews dig a ditch, lined them up, and shot them.
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** ''ComicBook/ThePunisherBorn'': Frank Castle's second tour in special ops is partially featured, including the General getting sniped mentioned by Goodwin.
** ''ComicBook/ThePunisherPresentsBarracuda'': Baracudda appears in the Nicaragua arc, along with Fifty and Dabny. [[spoiler: Fury turns out to have been Barracuda loosing his front-teeth]].

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** ''ComicBook/ThePunisherBorn'': Frank Castle's second tour in special ops is partially featured, including the General NVA general getting sniped mentioned by Goodwin.
** ''ComicBook/ThePunisherPresentsBarracuda'': Baracudda Barracuda appears in the Nicaragua arc, along with Fifty and Dabny. [[spoiler: Fury turns out to have been the one behind Barracuda loosing losing his front-teeth]].front teeth]].



** In fact, ''every'' chapter ends on a DownerEnding. The Viet Minh allow Fury to go back to his superiors as the sole survivor of the attack, the Cuban invasion fails completely, the evidence linking the CIA to narcotrafficking burns up (ensuring the Vietnam War won't be shortened), the CIA-backed narcotrafficking in Nicaragua will continue as if nothing happened, Hatherly [[spoiler:dies thinking everything he did was AllForNothing and his family hates Nick]], Shirley [[spoiler:murders her husband's mistress, her husband and then shoots herself after years of alcoholism]].

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** In fact, ''every'' chapter ends on a DownerEnding. The Viet Minh allow Fury to go back to his superiors as the sole survivor of the attack, the Cuban invasion fails completely, the evidence linking the CIA to narcotrafficking burns up (ensuring the Vietnam War won't be shortened), the CIA-backed narcotrafficking in Nicaragua will continue as if nothing happened, Hatherly [[spoiler:dies thinking everything he did was AllForNothing and his family hates Nick]], and Shirley [[spoiler:murders her husband's mistress, mistress and her husband and then shoots before shooting herself after years of alcoholism]].



* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Steinhoff. Being a Nazi war criminal is one thing, not doing the least to hide the fact and being surprised when people on your side try to kill you is another.

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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Steinhoff. Being a Nazi war criminal is one thing, not thing. Not doing the least to hide the fact and being surprised when people on your side try to kill you is another.
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* GoodAdulteryBadAdultery: McCuskey and Shirley get married, but both cheat. Shirley continues sleeping with Fury, though it is not shown if she sleeps with anyone else, and it is shown she does so out of loneliness. McCuskey sleeps with prostitutes, something Shirley is indifferent to until he starts bringing them home and even has one move in with them.

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* GoodAdulteryBadAdultery: McCuskey [=McCuskey=] and Shirley get married, but both cheat. Shirley continues sleeping with Fury, though it is not shown if she sleeps with anyone else, and it is shown she does so out of loneliness. McCuskey [=McCuskey=] sleeps with prostitutes, something Shirley is indifferent to until he starts bringing them home and even has one move in with them.
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* ObligatoryWarCrimeScene: One happens off-panel in the Nicaragua arc, led by Barracuda. The most horrifying moment being [[spoiler: the corpse of a pregnant woman who had her stomach cut open and her baby stomped on.]]
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* DefinatToTheEnd: The Sandinista leader murdered by Barracuda.

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* DefinatToTheEnd: DefiantToTheEnd: The Sandinista leader murdered by Barracuda.

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* AllForNothing and NotSoDifferent: In the final issue, both Nick Fury and [[spoiler:Le Trong Giap]] realize that the Cold War amounted to this.



* NotSoDifferent: Le Trong Giap, a brutal Viet Minh captain, later NVA general, whom Fury encounters and fights twice in Vietnam, but ultimately neither of them manage to kill the other. Decades later, after the end of the Cold War, Fury meets Giap again in Washington, D.C. in peaceful circumstances. Giap talks about how they are very much alike, both men who did horrible things without remorse because they believed their cause was just. But in the end the regime they fought for was just as greedy and corrupt as any other.

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* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferentRemark: Le Trong Giap, a brutal Viet Minh captain, later NVA general, whom Fury encounters and fights twice in Vietnam, but ultimately neither of them manage to kill the other. Decades later, after the end of the Cold War, Fury meets Giap again in Washington, D.C. in peaceful circumstances. Giap talks about how they are very much alike, both men who did horrible things without remorse because they believed their cause was just. But in the end the regime they fought for was just as greedy and corrupt as any other.
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The second ''ComicBook/NickFury'' comic series released on the Creator/MarvelComics' [[Creator/MarvelMAX MAX]] imprint, which ran for thirteen issues between 2012 and 2013. Just like ''ComicBook/FuryMax'', which preceded it by over a decade (it is unclear if the two works share a continuity, despite both being MAX), this was written by Creator/GarthEnnis.

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The second ''ComicBook/NickFury'' comic series released on the Creator/MarvelComics' [[Creator/MarvelMAX MAX]] imprint, which ran for thirteen issues between 2012 and 2013. Just like ''ComicBook/FuryMax'', which preceded it by over a decade (it is unclear if the (the two works share a continuity, despite both being MAX), seem to be linked through references in ComicBook/FuryPeacemaker), this was written by Creator/GarthEnnis.
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** ''Fury: Peacemaker'': Fury mentions having a bullet in his head since 1944.

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** ''Fury: Peacemaker'': ''ComicBook/FuryPeacemaker'': Fury mentions having a bullet in his head since 1944.
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** ''ThePunisherPresentsBarracuda'': Baracudda appears in the Nicaragua arc, along with Fifty and Dabny. [[spoiler: Fury turns out to have been Barracuda loosing his front-teeth]].

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** ''ThePunisherPresentsBarracuda'': ''ComicBook/ThePunisherPresentsBarracuda'': Baracudda appears in the Nicaragua arc, along with Fifty and Dabny. [[spoiler: Fury turns out to have been Barracuda loosing his front-teeth]].
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** '''Fury: Peacemaker''': Fury mentions having a bullet in his head since 1944.
** ComicBook/ThePunisherBorn: Frank Castle's second tour in special ops is partially featured, including the General getting sniped mentioned by Goodwin.
** '''The Punisher Presents Barracuda''': Baracudda appears in the Nicaragua arc, along with Fifty and Dabny. [[spoiler: Fury turns out to have been Barracuda loosing his front-teeth]].

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** '''Fury: Peacemaker''': ''Fury: Peacemaker'': Fury mentions having a bullet in his head since 1944.
** ComicBook/ThePunisherBorn: ''ComicBook/ThePunisherBorn'': Frank Castle's second tour in special ops is partially featured, including the General getting sniped mentioned by Goodwin.
** '''The Punisher Presents Barracuda''': ''ThePunisherPresentsBarracuda'': Baracudda appears in the Nicaragua arc, along with Fifty and Dabny. [[spoiler: Fury turns out to have been Barracuda loosing his front-teeth]].

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* DefinatToTheEnd: The Sandinista leader murdered by Baracudda.

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* ContinuityNod:
** '''Fury: Peacemaker''': Fury mentions having a bullet in his head since 1944.
** ComicBook/ThePunisherBorn: Frank Castle's second tour in special ops is partially featured, including the General getting sniped mentioned by Goodwin.
** '''The Punisher Presents Barracuda''': Baracudda appears in the Nicaragua arc, along with Fifty and Dabny. [[spoiler: Fury turns out to have been Barracuda loosing his front-teeth]].
* DefinatToTheEnd: The Sandinista leader murdered by Baracudda.Barracuda.
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* DefinatToTheEnd: The Sandinista leader murdered by Baracudda.
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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Steinhoff. Being a Nazi war criminal is one thing, not doing the least to hide the fact and being surprised when people on your side try to kill you is another.


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* GoodAdulteryBadAdultery: McCuskey and Shirley get married, but both cheat. Shirley continues sleeping with Fury, though it is not shown if she sleeps with anyone else, and it is shown she does so out of loneliness. McCuskey sleeps with prostitutes, something Shirley is indifferent to until he starts bringing them home and even has one move in with them.


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* LudicrousPrecision: By the Vietnam war, General Giap is incharge of the NVA training cadres, which the CIA report have improved by 30%. [[spoiler:Fury later lampshades it as a clear BS when he learns why they really want him dead.]]
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An old Nick Fury sits in a dark hotel room. Beside him is a recorder, to which he tells about his work in the CIA and their involvement in First Indochina War, UsefulNotes/BayOfPigsInvasion, UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar and the Contra War in UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}}.

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An old Nick Fury sits in a dark hotel room.room in his usual mood, drunk, bitter, and with prostitutes in bed. Beside him is a recorder, to which he tells about his work in the CIA and their involvement in First Indochina War, UsefulNotes/BayOfPigsInvasion, UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar and the Contra War in UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}}.
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** In a related sense, one of the themes of the series is essentially how US foreign policy, frequently based on cynical and self-serving ends that obscured the noble ideals it claimed to represent and which led to various atrocities and (arguably) unnecessary conflicts, gradually managed to degrade the popular image of the average American soldier from the heroic savior from World War II to the sociopathic avatar of authoritarianism and oppression in the minds of many. Nick Fury himself, once a hero who faced down entire armies and single-handedly destroyed tanks on foot to liberate concentration camps, in the end becomes nothing but a killer who goes to far away places for nothing but the love of combat, and screws scores of prostitutes in his spare time.

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** In a related sense, one of the themes of the series is essentially how US foreign policy, frequently based on cynical and self-serving ends that obscured the noble ideals it claimed to represent and which led to various atrocities and (arguably) unnecessary conflicts, gradually managed to degrade twist the popular image of the average American soldier in American uniform from the heroic savior from of World War II II, to the a sociopathic avatar of authoritarianism and oppression in nations where the minds of many.nation's oppressors often wore said American uniforms. Nick Fury himself, once a hero who faced down entire armies and single-handedly destroyed tanks on foot to liberate concentration camps, in the end becomes nothing but a killer who goes to far away places for nothing but the love of combat, and screws scores of prostitutes in his spare time.
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* BloodierAndGorier: The battle of Son Chau is essentially this version of the real-life Battle of Dien Bien Phu, albeit on a smaller scale as the French garrison is far smaller. Whereas at Dien Bien Phu the Viet Minh captured a large amount of prisoners - over 11,000, all told - at Son Chau the French garrison is wiped out to the last man, with Fury being the sole survivor.
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* NotSoDifferent: Le Trong Giap, a brutal Viet Minh, later NVA, captain whom Fury encounters and fights twice in Vietnam, but ultimately neither of them manage to kill the other. Decades later, after the end of the Cold War, Fury meets Giap again in Washington, D.C. in peaceful circumstances. Giap talks about how they are very much alike, both men who did horrible things without remorse because they believed their cause was just. But in the end the regime they fought for was just as greedy and corrupt as any other.

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* NotSoDifferent: Le Trong Giap, a brutal Viet Minh, Minh captain, later NVA, captain NVA general, whom Fury encounters and fights twice in Vietnam, but ultimately neither of them manage to kill the other. Decades later, after the end of the Cold War, Fury meets Giap again in Washington, D.C. in peaceful circumstances. Giap talks about how they are very much alike, both men who did horrible things without remorse because they believed their cause was just. But in the end the regime they fought for was just as greedy and corrupt as any other.

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* LaserGuidedKarma: Although Barracuda initially avoided facing punishment for his actions in Nicaragua, he eventually get's his just penance at the hands of a pissed off Fury with a baseball bat.

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* LaserGuidedKarma: Although Barracuda initially avoided facing punishment for his actions in Nicaragua, he eventually get's gets his just penance at the hands of a pissed off Fury with a baseball bat.



* MeaningfulRename: An interesting inversion serves to cap the first arc, set in what both arc and characters refer to as "French Indo-China", during a conflict ostensibly against Communism but in reality to keep the country subjugated under French rule. Following a major Viet Minh victory, Captain Letrong Giap gives a warning with what is more of a Meaningful Reclamation:
-->'''Letrong Giap''': This is not French Indochina, Colonel Fury. It is not French anything. This is '''Vietnam'''.



* SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids: Explored, deconstructed and gradually inverted. Despite his regard for the other man Fury himself tends to look down on the idealistic Hatherly as someone who doesn't really understand the world that they live in and the necessity of the brutal, cynical and terrible actions they and their leaders are involved in, such as backing oppressive regimes, using Nazi war criminals, assassinating world leaders, performing illegal actions in other countries and general {{Realpolitik}} in order to oppose communism. [[spoiler: By the end, however, Fury is burned out, has lost everything and everyone he values, and realises that everything he did in the Cold War was essentially pointless and unnecessarily harmful and didn't really improve anything, and that if there'd been more good idealists like Hatherly running things the world might have been a lot better. In essence, it's Fury realising that SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers]]

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* SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids: Explored, deconstructed and gradually inverted. Despite his regard for the other man Fury himself tends to look down on the idealistic Hatherly as someone who doesn't really understand the world that they live in and the necessity of the brutal, cynical and terrible actions they and their leaders are involved in, such as backing oppressive regimes, using Nazi war criminals, assassinating world leaders, performing illegal actions in other countries and general {{Realpolitik}} in order to oppose communism. [[spoiler: By the end, however, Fury is burned out, has lost everything and everyone he values, and realises realizes that everything he did in the Cold War was essentially pointless and unnecessarily harmful and didn't really improve anything, and that if there'd been more good idealists like Hatherly running things the world might have been a lot better. In essence, it's Fury realising realizing that SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers]]
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* ForegoneConclusion: Suffice to say, anyone familiar with U.S. military history after World War II will know that the Bay of Pigs will end in failure, the Vietnam War will end in a communist victory, and evidence of the CIA's involvement in narco-trafficking will be kept a secret from everyone else.
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* ElitesAreMoreGlamorous: ''Greatly'' deconstructed throughout the series. Elite formations such as the SAS, Green Berets, Delta Force and Spetsnaz ''are'' more glamorous to civilians and rank-and-file soldiers, and they're certainly trained and equipped to make spectacular splashes... but ultimately, they're too few in number to actually win wars. That's the job of the great masses of the regular armies, navies and air forces, who endure horror, boredom and vastly more casualties (and for much longer) to assure a lasting victory. So, they may be ''glamorous'', but they're not as ''effective'' as many would believe. And that belief - that a handful of elite "super-soldiers" could make the rest of them irrelevant - was what ultimately led America to attempt some very stupid things, thinking the elites would always succeed.

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* ElitesAreMoreGlamorous: ''Greatly'' deconstructed {{Deconstruction}} throughout the series. Elite formations such as the SAS, Green Berets, Delta Force and Spetsnaz ''are'' more glamorous to civilians and rank-and-file soldiers, and they're certainly trained and equipped to make spectacular splashes... but ultimately, they're too few in number to actually win wars. That's the job of the great masses of the regular armies, navies and air forces, who endure horror, boredom and vastly more casualties (and for much longer) to assure a lasting victory. So, they may be ''glamorous'', but they're not as ''effective'' as many would believe. And that belief - that a handful of elite "super-soldiers" could make the rest of them irrelevant - was what ultimately led America to attempt some very stupid things, thinking the elites would always succeed.

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* AffablyEvil:
** Steinhoff (a German veteran of WWII) explains that he had nothing to do with the death camps; on the Eastern Front they just had the Jews dig a trench and shot them. He fails to see why this distinction fails to placate the Americans.
** [[ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX Barracuda]] is as charmingly sociopathic as ever, cracking jokes to the people he's about to viciously murder.

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* SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan: What Shirley ultimately wanted. She recognizes that her relationships with both Fury and Pug are unhealthy in different ways, but while [[LibertyOverProsperity Fury is more honest and accepting, Pug offers more security]]. When Hatherly mentions on his deathbed that he always found Shirley attractive, realizing she lost the chance to share a life with a truly ''good'' man [[spoiler:drives her to [[MurderSuicide kill Pug's mistress, Pug, and then after confessing everything to Fury, herself]].]]

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* SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan: What Shirley ultimately wanted. She recognizes that her relationships with both Fury and Pug are unhealthy in different ways, but while [[LibertyOverProsperity Fury is more honest and accepting, Pug offers more security]]. When Hatherly mentions on his deathbed that he always found Shirley attractive, realizing her realization that she lost the chance to share a life with a truly ''good'' man [[spoiler:drives her to [[MurderSuicide kill Pug's mistress, Pug, Pug and then then, after confessing everything to Fury, herself]].]]
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** Steinhoff (a German veteran of WWII) explains that he had nothing to do with the death camps, on the Eastern front they just had the Jews dig a trench and shot them. He fails to see why this distinction fails to placate the Americans.

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** Steinhoff (a German veteran of WWII) explains that he had nothing to do with the death camps, camps; on the Eastern front Front they just had the Jews dig a trench and shot them. He fails to see why this distinction fails to placate the Americans.
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* ForeShadowing: The opening arc, set in the last days of the First Indochina War in 1954, is this for the rest of the series, as the revelation that Fury and Hatherly are involved in what is basically a colonial war pitting the colonial subjects, i.e., the Vietnamese, against their colonial overlords, i.e., the French, under the guise of the global struggle against international communism, and the two of them having to work with Steinhoff, an unrepentant Nazi war criminal, foreshadows the steady degradation of US foreign policy and Fury encountering other amoral and outright monstrous people ostensibly on the "same side," with Barracuda being the most noteworthy example.
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"Letrong Giap" should be "Le Trong Giap" - surname Le, middle name Trong, first name Giap.


* AllForNothing and NotSoDifferent: In the final issue, both Nick Fury and [[spoiler:Letrong Giap]] realize that the Cold War amounted to this.

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* AllForNothing and NotSoDifferent: In the final issue, both Nick Fury and [[spoiler:Letrong [[spoiler:Le Trong Giap]] realize that the Cold War amounted to this.



** [[spoiler:Letrong Giap]] is revealed to have survived [[spoiler:Frank Castle shooting him in the neck]], despite him having committed several war crimes and atrocities before and during Vietnam. Somewhat averted in that he's an AntiVillain and it was AllForNothing.

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** [[spoiler:Letrong [[spoiler:Le Trong Giap]] is revealed to have survived [[spoiler:Frank Castle shooting him in the neck]], despite him having committed several war crimes and atrocities before and during Vietnam. Somewhat averted in that he's an AntiVillain and it was AllForNothing.



* NotSoDifferent: Letrong Giap, a brutal Viet Minh, later NVA, captain whom Fury encounters and fights twice in Vietnam, but ultimately neither of them manage to kill the other. Decades later, after the end of the Cold War, Fury meets Giap again in Washington, D.C. in peaceful circumstances. Giap talks about how they are very much alike, both men who did horrible things without remorse because they believed their cause was just. But in the end the regime they fought for was just as greedy and corrupt as any other.

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* NotSoDifferent: Letrong Le Trong Giap, a brutal Viet Minh, later NVA, captain whom Fury encounters and fights twice in Vietnam, but ultimately neither of them manage to kill the other. Decades later, after the end of the Cold War, Fury meets Giap again in Washington, D.C. in peaceful circumstances. Giap talks about how they are very much alike, both men who did horrible things without remorse because they believed their cause was just. But in the end the regime they fought for was just as greedy and corrupt as any other.



* OccupiersOutOfOurCountry: Letrong Giap's motivation.

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* OccupiersOutOfOurCountry: Letrong Le Trong Giap's motivation.



* WasItReallyWorthIt: [[spoiler:Letrong Giap]] is confronted by this question at the end of the series, as he's realized that driving the occupiers out of Vietnam and reunifying it under the North only resulted in a FullCircleRevolution. In this, his disillusionment mirrors that of Bùi Tín, the real-life NVA colonel who became famous for accepting the surrender of Dương Văn Minh, the last president of South Vietnam, during the fall of Saigon, only to become disillusioned in the 1980s with postwar corruption and the continuing isolation of Vietnam, culminating in him leaving Vietnam and going into exile in France to express his growing dissatisfaction with the communist leadership and political system of Vietnam.

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* WasItReallyWorthIt: [[spoiler:Letrong [[spoiler:Le Trong Giap]] is confronted by this question at the end of the series, as he's realized that driving the occupiers out of Vietnam and reunifying it under the North only resulted in a FullCircleRevolution. In this, his disillusionment mirrors that of Bùi Tín, the real-life NVA colonel who became famous for accepting the surrender of Dương Văn Minh, the last president of South Vietnam, during the fall of Saigon, only to become disillusioned in the 1980s with postwar corruption and the continuing isolation of Vietnam, culminating in him leaving Vietnam and going into exile in France to express his growing dissatisfaction with the communist leadership and political system of Vietnam.
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** [[ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX Barracuda]] is as charmingly sociopathic as evercracking jokes to the people he's about to viciously murder.

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* WasItReallyWorthIt: [[spoiler:Letrong Giap]] is confronted by this question at the end of the series, as he's realized that driving the occupiers out of Vietnam and reunifying it under the North only resulted in a FullCircleRevolution. In this, his disillusionment mirrors that of Bùi Tín, the real-life NVA colonel who became famous for accepting the surrender of Dương Văn Minh, the last president of South Vietnam, during the fall of Saigon, only to become disillusioned in the 1980s with postwar corruption and the continuing isolation of Vietnam, culminating in him leaving Vietnam and going into exile in France to express his growing dissatisfaction with the communist leadership and political system of Vietnam.

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