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* NeverMyFault: Loki helps Dormammu, but once he realizes the potential problems with that, he warns the Avengers to stop the Defenders. What did he tell them, exactly? That the Defenders were trying to take over the world -- ''not'' that he had loosed something which had gotten out of hand (in Dormammu) or that he had made a mistake. Never a mistake. Oh no.
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* NeverMyFault: Loki helps Dormammu, but once he realizes the potential problems with that, he warns the Avengers to stop the Defenders. What did he tell them, exactly? That the Defenders were trying to take over the world -- ''not'' that he had loosed something which had gotten out of hand (in Dormammu) or that he had made a mistake. Never a mistake. Oh no. (To be fair, he very briefly considers telling them the truth at first, but his ((Pride}} immediately kicks in to stop him.)
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* UnreliableNarrator: Loki's description of the Defenders.
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* UnreliableNarrator: Loki's description of the Defenders. It isn't hard for him to make the team sound like villains given how Namor's attacked the surface world more than once, Valkyrie is easily mistaken for the "Valkyrie" that the Avengers once fought (actually the Enchantress in disguise that time, but Loki tells them it's the same Valkyrie), you have the ''Hulk'' as a Defender, etc.
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The Enchantress turned the Black Knight into a stone statue, and the Defenders (Dr. Strange, Hulk, Namor, Silver Surfer, Valkyrie and Hawkeye, who had just left the Avengers) sought to help him. Dr. Strange communicated with the Knight's soul, but Dormammu and Loki (who was blind at the moment) changed his message, so that he appeared to send the Defenders to gather the pieces of a DismantledMacGuffin known as the Evil Eye. Dormammu wanted the Evil Eye in order to merge Earth with his own Dark Dimension. Loki, fearing that Dormammu might do the same to Asgard, warned the Avengers to stop the Defenders. The Avengers at the time were composed of Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Mantis and the Swordsman.
After a number of clashes over the pieces of the Eye, Captain America and Namor realized that their groups had been manipulated into fighting each other, but it was late: Dormammu took the united pieces of the Evil Eye, and began to merge Earth into his own dimension. But he was betrayed by Loki and defeated by the Scarlet Witch, ending the war.
After a number of clashes over the pieces of the Eye, Captain America and Namor realized that their groups had been manipulated into fighting each other, but it was late: Dormammu took the united pieces of the Evil Eye, and began to merge Earth into his own dimension. But he was betrayed by Loki and defeated by the Scarlet Witch, ending the war.
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The Enchantress turned the Black Knight into a stone statue, and the Defenders (Dr. Strange, Hulk, Namor, Silver Surfer, Valkyrie and Hawkeye, who had just left the Avengers) sought to help him. Dr. Strange communicated with the Knight's soul, but Dormammu and Loki (who was blind at the moment) changed change his message, so that he appeared to send the Defenders to gather the pieces of a DismantledMacGuffin known as the Evil Eye. Dormammu wanted wants the Evil Eye in order to merge Earth with his own Dark Dimension. Loki, fearing that Dormammu might do the same to Asgard, warned warns the Avengers to stop the Defenders. The Avengers at (at the time were composed of Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Black Panther, Mantis and the Swordsman.Swordsman) to stop the Defenders.
After a number of clashes over the pieces of the Eye, Captain America and Namorrealized realize that their groups had have been manipulated into fighting each other, but it was it's too late: Dormammu took takes the united pieces of the Evil Eye, and began to merge begins merging Earth into his own dimension. But he was he's betrayed by Loki and defeated by the Scarlet Witch, ending the war.
After a number of clashes over the pieces of the Eye, Captain America and Namor
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* AlternateHistory: After the defeat of Dormammu, the Defenders returned to their original goal of undoing the spell that turned the Black Knight to stone. They were sent to a comic book version of the Crusades.
* AppeaseTheVolcanoGod: The unconscious Scarlet Witch was about to be a human sacrifice for the erupting volcano, when the crazy natives put her on the way of the lava stream.
* ArgentinaIsNaziland: The Valkyrie and the Swordsman fought in a castle of a runaway Nazi.
* AppeaseTheVolcanoGod: The unconscious Scarlet Witch was about to be a human sacrifice for the erupting volcano, when the crazy natives put her on the way of the lava stream.
* ArgentinaIsNaziland: The Valkyrie and the Swordsman fought in a castle of a runaway Nazi.
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* AlternateHistory: After AppeaseTheVolcanoGod: The unconscious Scarlet Witch is nearly a human sacrifice for an erupting volcano, when the defeat of Dormammu, crazy natives put her in the Defenders returned to their original goal of undoing the spell that turned the Black Knight to stone. They were sent to a comic book version way of the Crusades.lava stream.
* AppeaseTheVolcanoGod: The unconscious Scarlet Witch was about to be a human sacrifice for the erupting volcano, when the crazy natives put her on the way of the lava stream.
* ArgentinaIsNaziland: The Valkyrie and the Swordsman fought fight in a castle of a runaway Nazi.
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* ConflictBall: The story needs that the Defenders and the Avengers do not talk very much about the reasons of their fight, because otherwise there would be no fights, and that's what readers want. But when Namor and Captain America did just that (with the other fights already fought), reason prevailed.
* ContinuityNod: Namor's reference to his previous "fight" with Captain America. It was actually a single panel, Captain America attacked Namor from the back, and Namor effortlessly tossed him aside without even bothering to check to had attacked him.
* ContinuityNod: Namor's reference to his previous "fight" with Captain America. It was actually a single panel, Captain America attacked Namor from the back, and Namor effortlessly tossed him aside without even bothering to check to had attacked him.
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* ConflictBall: The story needs requires that the Defenders and the Avengers do not don't talk very much about the reasons of for their fight, because otherwise there would be no fights, and that's what readers want. But when Namor and Captain America did do just that (with the other fights already fought), reason prevailed.prevails.
* ContinuityNod: Namor's reference to his previous "fight" with CaptainAmerica. America, way back in ''Avengers'' issue 4. It was actually a single panel, Captain America attacked Namor from the back, and Namor effortlessly tossed him aside without even bothering to check to who had attacked him.
* ContinuityNod: Namor's reference to his previous "fight" with Captain
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** [[http://www.wwcomics.com/images/large/Defd_9_94.jpg Defenders 9]]. Contrary to the cover, Hawkeye ''mentioned'' being a Defender, but no Defender came to his rescue: he fought Iron Man alone.
** [[http://www.wwcomics.com/images/large/Defs_10_94.jpg Defenders 10]]: "The incredible Hulk vs. the mighty Thor -- in a battle to the finish!" Not to the finish: the battle ended when Avengers and Defenders mended their differences.
** [[http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/117443/2481733-avengers117_super.jpg Avengers 117]]: A good description of the fight that took place inside the comic... but with the roles of Namor and Captain America reversed.
* DidYouJustScamCthulhu: Not a common sight. The Trickster has been tricked, and even forced to the indignity of asking his despised brother Thor for help.
** [[http://www.wwcomics.com/images/large/Defs_10_94.jpg Defenders 10]]: "The incredible Hulk vs. the mighty Thor -- in a battle to the finish!" Not to the finish: the battle ended when Avengers and Defenders mended their differences.
** [[http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/117443/2481733-avengers117_super.jpg Avengers 117]]: A good description of the fight that took place inside the comic... but with the roles of Namor and Captain America reversed.
* DidYouJustScamCthulhu: Not a common sight. The Trickster has been tricked, and even forced to the indignity of asking his despised brother Thor for help.
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** [[http://www.wwcomics.com/images/large/Defd_9_94.jpg Defenders 9]]. Contrary to the cover, Hawkeye ''mentioned'' ''mentions'' being a Defender, but no Defender came Defenders come to his rescue: he fought fights Iron Man alone.
** [[http://www.wwcomics.com/images/large/Defs_10_94.jpg Defenders 10]]: "Theincredible Incredible Hulk vs. the mighty The Mighty Thor -- in a battle to the finish!" Not to the finish: the battle ended ends when Avengers and Defenders mended mends their differences.
** [[http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/117443/2481733-avengers117_super.jpg Avengers 117]]: A good description of the fight thattook takes place inside the comic... but with the roles of Namor and Captain America reversed.
* DidYouJustScamCthulhu: Not a common sight. The Trickster has been tricked, and even forced to suffer the indignity of asking his despised brother Thor for help.
** [[http://www.wwcomics.com/images/large/Defs_10_94.jpg Defenders 10]]: "The
** [[http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/117443/2481733-avengers117_super.jpg Avengers 117]]: A good description of the fight that
* DidYouJustScamCthulhu: Not a common sight. The Trickster has been tricked, and even forced to suffer the indignity of asking his despised brother Thor for help.
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* ExactWords: Dormammu had once attempted to conquer Earth, but he was defeated by Dr. Strange, who forced him to swear an oath that he would never return to Earth's dimension again. Thus he wanted the Evil Eye... if he moved Earth to his own dimension, he could conquer it without breaking his oath.
* LaserGuidedAmnesia: Dr. Strange erased the knowledge of the existence of the Defenders from Nick Fury's mind but let the Avengers keep theirs.
** During the fight, Dormammu turned Thor and Iron Man into Don Blake and Tony Stark. Afterwards, Dr. Strange erased from everyone else the memory of their secret identities.
* LaserGuidedAmnesia: Dr. Strange erased the knowledge of the existence of the Defenders from Nick Fury's mind but let the Avengers keep theirs.
** During the fight, Dormammu turned Thor and Iron Man into Don Blake and Tony Stark. Afterwards, Dr. Strange erased from everyone else the memory of their secret identities.
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* ExactWords: Dormammu had once attempted to conquer Earth, but he was defeated by Dr. Strange, who forced him to swear an oath that he would never return to Earth's dimension again. Thus he wanted wants the Evil Eye... if Eye so he moved can bring Earth to his own dimension, he could conquer into the Dark Dimension... thereby conquering it without breaking his oath.
*LaserGuidedAmnesia: LaserGuidedAmnesia:
** Dr. Strangeerased erases the knowledge of the existence of the Defenders from Nick Fury's mind but let lets the Avengers keep theirs.
** During the fight, Dormammuturned turns Thor and Iron Man into Don Blake and Tony Stark. Afterwards, Dr. Strange erased from everyone else the memory of their secret identities.identities from everyone else.
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** Dr. Strange
** During the fight, Dormammu
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* MacGuffinMelee: The Vision and the Silver Surfer were both running to claim a piece of the Evil Eye. The Vision was closer... but saw the unconscious Scarlet Witch about to be killed by a lava stream and left the fight to save her, allowing the Silver Surfer to take the prize.
* NeverMyFault: Loki helped Dormammu, but once he realized the potential problems with that, he warned the Avengers to stop the Defenders. What did he tell them, exactly? That the Defenders were trying to take over the world -- ''not'' that he had loosed something which had gotten out of hand (in Dormammu) or that he had made a mistake. Never a mistake. Oh no.
* ObstructiveBureaucrat: As Captain America and Namor trespassed in Japan to find a piece of the Evil Eye, the Japanese hero Sunfire took it for the government of Japan. Yes, an Obstructive Bureaucrat who can fire sunbolts... but an Obstructive Bureaucrat nonetheless.
* {{Revision}}: The Evil Eye was a MacGuffin item created during Jack Kirby's run on the Fantastic Four, which exploded like an atomic bomb. This story says that it was not actually destroyed but divided into six parts that fell in different parts of the world.
* RippleEffectProofMemory: Prester John somehow knows the time travel thing involving the Diabolic Eye, even when he wasn't a time traveler himself.
* SecretlyDying: The Swordsman, because of the injuries he had received. When Namor and Captain America gather all the Avengers and Defenders, he seems to be fine; but as it was revealed in the Avengers comic book immediately after, he was concealing his wounds, to prove himself worthy of being an Avenger.
* SomethingWeForgot: After the discussion of Namor and Captain America, Avengers and Defenders returned from their varied locations in the world, to clarify what had happened... and they suddenly realized that they forgot about Thor and Hulk.
* StableTimeLoop: Averted. The Human Torch met Prester John, an immortal who owned the Evil Eye. He stole it to open the dome that closed Attilan, but it exploded half the way. It was divided in several pieces, and during this crossover the pieces were located and used to recreate the original thing. And then the Defender were displaced to the past, along with the Evil Eye, and they gave it to Prester John... some years ''before'' he got it in the first place (so he has two now?)
* TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou: Loki wanted to save Asgard and protect Odin because he felt only he had the right to overthrow Odin.
* ThrowingOffTheDisability: Loki was blind during this adventure. He joined forces with Dormammu, hoping to be cured from his blindness, [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor and he was... but he didn't like the way it happened]]
* UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny: Vision vs. Silver Surfer! Dr. Strange vs. Black Panther and Mantis! Swordsman vs. Valkery! Hawkeye vs. Iron Man! Captain America vs. Namor! Hulk vs. Thor!
* NeverMyFault: Loki helped Dormammu, but once he realized the potential problems with that, he warned the Avengers to stop the Defenders. What did he tell them, exactly? That the Defenders were trying to take over the world -- ''not'' that he had loosed something which had gotten out of hand (in Dormammu) or that he had made a mistake. Never a mistake. Oh no.
* ObstructiveBureaucrat: As Captain America and Namor trespassed in Japan to find a piece of the Evil Eye, the Japanese hero Sunfire took it for the government of Japan. Yes, an Obstructive Bureaucrat who can fire sunbolts... but an Obstructive Bureaucrat nonetheless.
* {{Revision}}: The Evil Eye was a MacGuffin item created during Jack Kirby's run on the Fantastic Four, which exploded like an atomic bomb. This story says that it was not actually destroyed but divided into six parts that fell in different parts of the world.
* RippleEffectProofMemory: Prester John somehow knows the time travel thing involving the Diabolic Eye, even when he wasn't a time traveler himself.
* SecretlyDying: The Swordsman, because of the injuries he had received. When Namor and Captain America gather all the Avengers and Defenders, he seems to be fine; but as it was revealed in the Avengers comic book immediately after, he was concealing his wounds, to prove himself worthy of being an Avenger.
* SomethingWeForgot: After the discussion of Namor and Captain America, Avengers and Defenders returned from their varied locations in the world, to clarify what had happened... and they suddenly realized that they forgot about Thor and Hulk.
* StableTimeLoop: Averted. The Human Torch met Prester John, an immortal who owned the Evil Eye. He stole it to open the dome that closed Attilan, but it exploded half the way. It was divided in several pieces, and during this crossover the pieces were located and used to recreate the original thing. And then the Defender were displaced to the past, along with the Evil Eye, and they gave it to Prester John... some years ''before'' he got it in the first place (so he has two now?)
* TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou: Loki wanted to save Asgard and protect Odin because he felt only he had the right to overthrow Odin.
* ThrowingOffTheDisability: Loki was blind during this adventure. He joined forces with Dormammu, hoping to be cured from his blindness, [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor and he was... but he didn't like the way it happened]]
* UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny: Vision vs. Silver Surfer! Dr. Strange vs. Black Panther and Mantis! Swordsman vs. Valkery! Hawkeye vs. Iron Man! Captain America vs. Namor! Hulk vs. Thor!
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* MacGuffinMelee: The Vision and the Silver Surfer were are both running to claim a piece of the Evil Eye. The Vision was is closer... but saw sees the unconscious Scarlet Witch about to be killed by a lava stream and left the fight goes to save her, allowing the Silver Surfer to take the prize.
* NeverMyFault: Lokihelped helps Dormammu, but once he realized realizes the potential problems with that, he warned warns the Avengers to stop the Defenders. What did he tell them, exactly? That the Defenders were trying to take over the world -- ''not'' that he had loosed something which had gotten out of hand (in Dormammu) or that he had made a mistake. Never a mistake. Oh no.
* ObstructiveBureaucrat: As Captain America and Namortrespassed trespass in Japan to find a piece of the Evil Eye, the Japanese hero Sunfire took takes it for the government of Japan. Yes, an Obstructive Bureaucrat who can fire sunbolts... but an Obstructive Bureaucrat nonetheless.
* {{Revision}}: The Evil Eye was a MacGuffinitem created during Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's run on the Fantastic Four, which exploded like an atomic bomb. This story says that it was not actually destroyed but divided into six parts that fell in different parts of the world.
* RippleEffectProofMemory: Prester John somehow knows the time travel thing involving the Diabolic Eye, even when hewasn't isn't a time traveler himself.
* SecretlyDying: The Swordsman, because of the injuries hehad received. receives. When Namor and Captain America gather all the Avengers and Defenders, he seems to be fine; but as it was it's revealed in the Avengers comic book immediately after, he was concealing his wounds, to prove himself worthy of being an Avenger.
* SomethingWeForgot: After the discussionof between Namor and Captain America, Avengers and Defenders returned return from their varied locations in the world, to clarify what had happened... and they suddenly realized realize that they they've forgot about Thor and Hulk.
* StableTimeLoop: Averted. The Human Torch met Prester John, an immortal who owned the Evil Eye. He stole it to open the dome that closed Attilan, but it exploded half the way. It was divided in several pieces, and during this crossover the pieces were located and used to recreate the original thing. And then the Defender were displaced to the past, along with the Evil Eye, and they gave it to Prester John... some years ''before'' he got it in the first place (so he has two now?)
* TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou: Loki wanted wants to save Asgard and protect Odin because he felt only he had ''he'' has the right to overthrow Odin.
* ThrowingOffTheDisability: Loki was blind during this adventure. Hejoined joins forces with Dormammu, Dormammu hoping to be cured from his blindness, [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor and he was...is... but he didn't like the way it happened]]
* UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny: Vision vs. Silver Surfer! Dr. Strange vs. Black Panther and Mantis! Swordsman vs.Valkery! Valkyrie! Hawkeye vs. Iron Man! Captain America vs. Namor! Hulk vs. Thor!
* NeverMyFault: Loki
* ObstructiveBureaucrat: As Captain America and Namor
* {{Revision}}: The Evil Eye was a MacGuffin
* RippleEffectProofMemory: Prester John somehow knows the time travel thing involving the Diabolic Eye, even when he
* SecretlyDying: The Swordsman, because of the injuries he
* SomethingWeForgot: After the discussion
* ThrowingOffTheDisability: Loki was blind during this adventure. He
* UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny: Vision vs. Silver Surfer! Dr. Strange vs. Black Panther and Mantis! Swordsman vs.
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* ConflictBall: The story needs that the Defenders and the Avengers do not talk very much about the reasons of their fight, because otherwise there would be no fights, [[JustHereForGodzilla and that's what readers want]]. But when Namor and Captain America did just that (with the other fights already fought), reason prevailed.
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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: Sucre, Bolivia is portrayed as being in the middle of a jungle, when the real city is in a highland with relatively light vegetation.
* ConflictBall: The story needs that the Defenders and the Avengers do not talk very much about the reasons of their fight, because otherwise there would be no fights,[[JustHereForGodzilla and that's what readers want]].want. But when Namor and Captain America did just that (with the other fights already fought), reason prevailed.
* ConflictBall: The story needs that the Defenders and the Avengers do not talk very much about the reasons of their fight, because otherwise there would be no fights,
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* CreatorProvincialism: Ejem. There is no jungle in Sucre, Bolivia. Sucre is located in a dry altiplano.
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''Avengers/Defenders War'' is a 1973 crossover between ComicBook/TheAvengers and ComicBook/TheDefenders.
