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* RomanticRunnerUp: To Ayla, for Jondalar. [[spoiler: To the point where even though she succeeds in seducing Jondalar in the sixth book, it's still made blatantly obvious that he'll [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter always prefer Ayla]]]].
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* ProudBeauty: {{Deconstructed|Trope}}. She's keenly aware of her beauty and revels in the opportunity to show it off. She regards it as one of her greatest traits and is well-versed in leveraging her looks to get what she wants. She hates it when she feels other pretty women are upstaging her and will try to knock them down a peg to hog the attention; she also tends to judge and insult people based on their appearance (especially if they don't meet her beauty standards). Zelandoni warns her that relying on her beauty while offering nothing else and treating others badly will only get her so far, especially when she gets older.
* RomanticRunnerUp: To Ayla, for Jondalar.[[spoiler: To Part of her hoped she might have a shot of rekindling things with Jondalar once he returns from his journey, but it's immediately obvious to her he hasn't exactly been pining for her given he shows up with Ayla and announces their engagement. [[spoiler:It's to the point where even though she succeeds in seducing Jondalar in the sixth book, it's still made blatantly obvious that he'll [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter always prefer Ayla]]]].
* RomanticRunnerUp: To Ayla, for Jondalar.
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* AttemptedHomewrecker: [[spoiler:While open relationships are considered normal in Zelandonii culture, Marona clearly has malicious intentions when she seduces Jondalar in ''The Land of Painted Caves'', as it's well-known that Marona is bitter that Jondalar chose to mate Ayla over her and bears Ayla ill-will for this. Marona specifically waits until Ayla is preoccupied and often away from home to move in on Jondalar, taking advantage of his increasing loneliness and frustration. When Ayla catches them together, Marona gleefully rubs it in her face and appears to believe Jondalar will leave Ayla for her (or at least favour her from now on). She underestimates how much Jondalar loves Ayla, as he instantly realises what a stupid mistake he made and what Marona's true intentions were. He admits he was only interested in sex with Marona and doesn't feel anything deeper for her, so he's hardly going to ditch his wife and mother of his child for her]].
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* TribalFacePaint: The Zelandonii wear face paint with intricate designs on formal occasions; the paint is also sometimes used to complement or accentuate piercings. In ''The Shelters of Stone'', Marona and her friends offer to paint Ayla's face for her welcoming ceremony so she'll fit in, but she declines. It's just as well, as they would probably have used the paint to make her look ridiculous like they did with her clothing.
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* ClingyJealousGirl: Towards Jondalar. When her friend Portula brings up that Jondalar was the man chosen for her First Rites, Marona gets visibly annoyed. She absolutely despises Ayla because she sees her as having taken her rightful place as Jondalar's mate.
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* ClingyJealousGirl: Towards Jondalar.She's still possessive towards Jondalar even years after they broke up. When her friend Portula brings up that Jondalar was the man chosen for her First Rites, Marona gets visibly annoyed. She absolutely despises Ayla because she sees her as having taken her rightful place as Jondalar's mate. Jondalar mentions that when they were together she could be jealous and spiteful, with this being one of the reasons he never truly fell in love with her.
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* GoodParents: She's a compassionate and supportive mother to her four children, and they all hold her in high esteem and seek guidance from her. It is mentioned she struggled a bit with raising Jondalar when he was growing up, to the point she had to send him off to his father to straighten him out, though they have a close relationship now. A few other characters, such as Brukeval, often wish they had a mother like Marthona.
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* ParentsAsPeople: Jondalar says that she had trouble trying to control and discipline him growing up; he was quite a headstrong, defiant child and he was big for age. Marthona was also balancing this with leading the Ninth Cave, preparing her eldest son for leadership, being a single mother for a time after her marriage to Jondalar's father broke down and then raising two other young children. Things reached a head when Jondalar was in his early teens and seriously injured another boy, with Marthona finally deciding to send him to his father to fix his behaviour.
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* ToughLove: After the incident where her teenage son Jondalar was exposed for having an inappropriate relationship with Zolena and badly beat the other teenager who dobbed them in, Marthona had enough of his behaviour and sent him to live with father amongst the Lanzadonii for a few years. Marthona didn't have much choice but send Jondalar away until things cooled down, considering the seriousness of his actions and the potential political rammifcations, given Marthona was still leader of the Ninth Cave. Jondalar says that in hindsight it was the right decision for everyone.
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A low-ranking member of the Ninth Cave. She’s the mate of Laramar and mother of Bologan, Lanoga, Trelara, Lavogan, Ganamar and Lorala...though the term 'mother' is used rather loosely, given she [[PromotedToParent lets her eldest daughter do most of the parenting]].
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A low-ranking member of the Ninth Cave. She’s the mate of Laramar and mother of Bologan, Lanoga, Trelara, Lavogan, Ganamar and Lorala...though the term 'mother' is used rather loosely, given she [[PromotedToParent she lets her eldest daughter do most of the parenting]].parenting.
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* AwfulWeddedLife / DeadSparks: With Laramar. Besides neglecting their kids and drinking, they don't have much in common anymore and haven't had sex in years. [[spoiler: Laramar dumps her at the end of the last book. She doesn't seem too upset]].
* MamasBabyPapasMaybe: [[spoiler: It turns out in the last book that because she and Laramar haven't slept together (according to him) since their eldest child was born, then it's extremely unlikely that any of the kids beside Bologan are biologically his]].
* MamasBabyPapasMaybe: [[spoiler: It turns out in the last book that because she and Laramar haven't slept together (according to him) since their eldest child was born, then it's extremely unlikely that any of the kids beside Bologan are biologically his]].
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* AwfulWeddedLife / DeadSparks: AwfulWeddedLife: With Laramar. Besides neglecting their kids and drinking, they don't have much in common anymore anymore, they frequently argue and they haven't had sex in years. [[spoiler: Laramar [[spoiler:Laramar dumps her Tremeda at the end of the last book. She book and she doesn't seem too upset]].
* DeadSparks: She and Laramar once had some affection or at least attraction to each other, given they got married and used to be sexually intimate. However, over the years their relationship has deteriorated to the point where they barely act like a couple at all and haven't had sex in a long time; Laramar finds Tremeda repulsive, while she complains about him ignoring her and having little involvement in her their family.
* MamasBabyPapasMaybe: [[spoiler: It turns out in the last book that because she and Laramar [[SexlessMarriage haven't slepttogether together]] (according to him) since their eldest child was born, then it's extremely unlikely that any of the kids beside Bologan are biologically his]].
* DeadSparks: She and Laramar once had some affection or at least attraction to each other, given they got married and used to be sexually intimate. However, over the years their relationship has deteriorated to the point where they barely act like a couple at all and haven't had sex in a long time; Laramar finds Tremeda repulsive, while she complains about him ignoring her and having little involvement in her their family.
* MamasBabyPapasMaybe: [[spoiler: It turns out in the last book that because she and Laramar [[SexlessMarriage haven't slept
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* MassiveNumberedSiblings: She has six living children. She neglects all of them, forcing her eldest daughter Lanoga to step in as a parent.
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* MassiveNumberedSiblings: She has six living children. She neglects all of them, forcing her eldest daughter Lanoga to step in as a parent. She has given birth to seven children in all, but her fifth child died in infancy.
* OutlivingOnesOffspring: It's mentioned that she had a baby between the birth of her fourth child Lavogan and her sixth child Ganamar, but the baby didn't live long. It's hinted the baby may have died as a result of neglect. Tremeda doesn't seem all that torn up by it, but it spurs her eldest daughter Lanoga to do everything she can to save her new baby sister.
* OutlivingOnesOffspring: It's mentioned that she had a baby between the birth of her fourth child Lavogan and her sixth child Ganamar, but the baby didn't live long. It's hinted the baby may have died as a result of neglect. Tremeda doesn't seem all that torn up by it, but it spurs her eldest daughter Lanoga to do everything she can to save her new baby sister.
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* [[LoserSonOfLoserDad Loser Daughter of Loser Dad]]: She’s treated this way by many people in the cave, along with the rest of her siblings.
* PromotedToParent: Along with Bologan. She's more of a mother to her siblings, especially baby Lorala, than Tremeda ever was.
* PromotedToParent: Along with Bologan. She's more of a mother to her siblings, especially baby Lorala, than Tremeda ever was.
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* [[LoserSonOfLoserDad Loser Daughter of Loser Dad]]: LoserSonOfLoserDad: She’s treated this way by many people in the cave, along with the rest of her siblings.
siblings. They're dismissed as a lost cause and looked upon disdain for being constantly dirty and begging for food, and their lazy, freeloading parents are some of the lowest-ranking and least-popular members of the Ninth Cave. However, Ayla points out that it's hardly their fault that they have such awful parents and that Lanoga is doing her best to look after her younger brothers and sisters. Ayla is able to shame some of the neighbours into helping Lanoga care for her family by informing them that in the Clan no child would be allowed to starve, essentially implying they're worse than the "flatheads" they dismiss as mere animals.
* PracticallyDifferentGenerations: She's ten-years-old in ''The Shelters of Stone'' and her youngest sibling Lorala is only a baby. Consequently, Lanoga takes it upon herself to care for her infant sister, as well as her other siblings. However, while she is a decade older she's still a child herself and so struggles to provide Lorala with the care she needs until Ayla steps in.
* PromotedToParent: Along with Bologan. She's more of a mother to her siblings, especially baby Lorala, than Tremeda ever was. However, due to her young age and lack of experience, she [[DeconstructedTrope doesn't quite understand how to properly feed and bathe Lorala]], resulting in the baby being underweight and dirty. She does try her best though, such as feeding Lorala mashed-up roots because she can't produce breast milk (as their mother's milk dried up) and Ayla notes that she's mature and intelligent enough to follow instructions, believing [[ReconstructedTrope she just needs support from adults]].
* PracticallyDifferentGenerations: She's ten-years-old in ''The Shelters of Stone'' and her youngest sibling Lorala is only a baby. Consequently, Lanoga takes it upon herself to care for her infant sister, as well as her other siblings. However, while she is a decade older she's still a child herself and so struggles to provide Lorala with the care she needs until Ayla steps in.
* PromotedToParent: Along with Bologan. She's more of a mother to her siblings, especially baby Lorala, than Tremeda ever was. However, due to her young age and lack of experience, she [[DeconstructedTrope doesn't quite understand how to properly feed and bathe Lorala]], resulting in the baby being underweight and dirty. She does try her best though, such as feeding Lorala mashed-up roots because she can't produce breast milk (as their mother's milk dried up) and Ayla notes that she's mature and intelligent enough to follow instructions, believing [[ReconstructedTrope she just needs support from adults]].
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: The first time Marthona appears in person, at the beginning of the fifth book, tells us a lot about her. She mentally notes that Ayla has an unusual accent she's never heard, meaning she must come from far away yet has learnt to speak Zelandonii well. She sincerely thanks Ayla for saving her son's life, acknowledges that Ayla has come a long way to accompany Jondalar home and promises to help her settle in at the Ninth Cave. Her honesty and directness prompts Ayla to answer in kind, admitting she's been excited yet nervous about meeting her, to which Marthona says she understands Ayla's feelings as she would feel the same in her place. She also shows no fear towards Wolf and happily introduces herself to him, saying she witnessed his interactions with others and saw nothing to be afraid of. This establishes Marthona as an observant, level-headed, kind, empathetic and emotionally-open person, who loves her children and can quickly put others at ease.
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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: He's nervous about Ayla and Jondalar turning up with horses and especially a wolf, but hears them out when they explain the animals aren't dangerous. He willingly follows Ayla's instructions on how to introduce himself to Wolf and after being satisfied Wolf isn't a threat to his people, he agrees to let Wolf into the settlement provided Ayla and Jondalar can control him.
* SharedFamilyQuirks: Ayla notes that when he's worried, his forehead knots in the same way his brother Jondalar's does when he's fretting over something.
* YouRemindMeOfX: When Ayla first meets Joharran, she's reminded of Brun, the leader of the clan who raised her. She recognises that Joharran carries himself with confidence and authority, but is a bit nervous around her her and her animals, especially Wolf; Brun was also a competent and brave leader, but feared the spirit world (with Joharran assuming Ayla must wield powerful magic to control animals).
* SharedFamilyQuirks: Ayla notes that when he's worried, his forehead knots in the same way his brother Jondalar's does when he's fretting over something.
* YouRemindMeOfX: When Ayla first meets Joharran, she's reminded of Brun, the leader of the clan who raised her. She recognises that Joharran carries himself with confidence and authority, but is a bit nervous around her her and her animals, especially Wolf; Brun was also a competent and brave leader, but feared the spirit world (with Joharran assuming Ayla must wield powerful magic to control animals).
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* DisabledMeansHelpless: His mother acts as though he's helpless and is incredibly overprotective because he has a deformed arm, but Lanidar [[DefiedTrope finds this frustrating]] and wants to be as independent as possible. Ayla and Jondalar persuade his mother to let him try hunting; they give Lanidar a spearthrower they invented that lets him get around the issues with his arm, allowing him to become just as good with a spear as other children his age.
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* BerserkButton: {{Downplayed|Trope}}. She rarely loses her temper and remains calm in even the most trying situations, but she becomes infuriated when Jondalar mentions Madenia, a young girl who had been gang-raped before First Rites, claiming that [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil the men responsible are "abominations"]].
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* TeethFlying: PlayedForDrama; in his youth, he had two of his front teeth knocked out by Jondalar punching him. Because of the time period, getting replacements isn't an option and it has some permanent impact on him; he lisps when pronouncing some words and sometimes has difficulty eating certain foods, and Jondalar says he's experienced some romantic rejection because of it.
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* DeterminedWidow: After her first mate died, she took his place as leader of the Ninth Cave, becoming a beloved and highly respected leader, as well as being a single mother.
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* ShipperOnDeck: Upon finally meeting and getting to know Ayla, she greatly approves of her as Jondalar's mate. She's especially glad that Jondalar didn't go through with mating Marona, whom Zelandoni felt was unworthy of Jondalar and didn't love him in the way he needed. In regards to Ayla, Zelandoni thinks that she's not just a good match for Jondalar, she even surpasses him in some respects, and is both beneficial to Jondalar and a boon to the cave because of the knowledge and skills she brings.
