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* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "[=pay2win=]" DLC).
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* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "[=pay2win=]" DLC). His fans were in for a nasty surprise in ''8'' where he ended up receiving a few nerfs while the rest of the cast received notable buffs that makes him one of the ''less'' played characters online. The silver lining is that he gets the chance to properly participate in the story and develop relationships with Jin, Lili and even a rivalry with Feng.
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* As the closest the series has had to a proper heroic protagonist to contrast both Kazuya and Heihachi, Jin had developed a broken base on his own following his FaceHeelTurn in ''6''. While some believe that the turn still kept him interesting in terms of him choosing to go down a darker path intentionally such that he can eventually wipe out the entire Mishima bloodline, fans took umbrage with how badly the actual turn in question was executed. Even the explanation that Jin intentionally kicked off the events of ''6'' for an actual greater purpose was watered down by later reveals in ''7'' (namely, that Azazel's defeat didn't amount to anything and the gene had actually been passed down from his grandmother Kazumi's side), and that his noble motives weren't enough to justify starting an entire world war to accomplish his goals. Even as the series has taken steps to making him a more-or-less heroic figure going forward following ''6'', seemingly being set on a HeelFaceTurn in ''8'', his entire arc in ''6'' [[NeverLiveItDown continues to haunt his characterization]].
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* As the closest the series has had to a proper heroic protagonist to contrast both Kazuya and Heihachi, Jin had developed a broken base on his own following his FaceHeelTurn in ''6''. While some believe that the turn still kept him interesting in terms of him choosing to go down a darker path intentionally such that he can eventually wipe out the entire Mishima bloodline, fans took umbrage with how badly the actual turn in question was executed. Even the explanation that Jin intentionally kicked off the events of ''6'' for an actual greater purpose was watered down by later reveals in ''7'' (namely, that Azazel's defeat didn't amount to anything and the gene had actually been passed down from his grandmother Kazumi's side), and that his noble motives weren't enough to justify starting an entire world war to accomplish his goals. Even as the series has taken steps to making him a more-or-less heroic figure going forward following ''6'', seemingly being set on complete with a HeelFaceTurn in ''8'', his entire arc in ''6'' [[NeverLiveItDown continues to haunt his characterization]].
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* When Lili was introduced, she was received warmly as a pretty, stylish and amusing fighter. Even to this day, Lili still has fans who liked her this way. However, come ''Tekken 6'', she gains a sizable number of detractors matching her fandom due to being made into Asuka's rival and her characterization ends up being summed up as 'being extremely petty and making Asuka's life miserable just for being beaten'. It comes at the cost of most of Asuka's other ongoing arcs, starting from her being a Kazama and able to neutralize the Devil Gene, as well as her vendetta against Feng Wei or whatever injustice she feels like in need of some straightening (including her very own cousin Jin), [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot being ignored in favor of a cliched, petty teenage schoolgirl rivalry.]] The detractors also view this rivalry as a poor man's [[Franchise/StreetFighter Sakura Kasugano-Karin Kanzuki rivalry]], because these characters are allowed to develop beyond their rivalry as opposed to Asuka-Lili rivalry which tends to be static. Lili's fans, however, find this acceptable as it also contributes to the popularity of BOTH Asuka and Lili. In a manner, this whole situation can also be applied to Asuka's fandom as well.
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* When Lili was introduced, she was received warmly as a pretty, stylish and amusing fighter. Even to this day, Lili still has fans who liked her this way. However, come ''Tekken 6'', she gains a sizable number of detractors matching her fandom due to being made into Asuka's rival and her characterization ends up being summed up as 'being extremely petty and making Asuka's life miserable just for being beaten'. It comes at the cost of most of Asuka's other ongoing arcs, starting from her being a Kazama and able to neutralize the Devil Gene, as well as her vendetta against Feng Wei or whatever injustice she feels like in need of some straightening (including her very own cousin Jin), [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot being ignored in favor of a cliched, petty teenage schoolgirl rivalry.]] The detractors also view this rivalry as a poor man's [[Franchise/StreetFighter Sakura Kasugano-Karin Kanzuki rivalry]], because these those characters are allowed to develop beyond their rivalry as opposed to Asuka-Lili rivalry which tends to be static. Lili's fans, however, find this acceptable as it also contributes to the popularity of BOTH Asuka and Lili. In a manner, this whole situation can also be applied to Asuka's fandom as well.
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* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game was to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who wanted to do just that. The fact that she got onto the roster, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna, Julia, and Zafina had been cut (all of whom later returned as DLC) is another point of contention.
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* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game was to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who wanted to do just that. The fact that she got onto the roster, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna, Julia, and Zafina had been cut (all of whom later returned as DLC) is another point of contention.
contention. That being said, Eliza was included due to her winning a fan poll on who to include in Tekken 7, with second place going a character whose design was so risqué the reason why she wasn't included in past games was because the developers were afraid she'd increase the game's age rating.
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* The two characters added in ''Bloodline Rebellion'' both have equal amounts of fans and detractors for varying reasons.
** Alisa is liked for her {{Moe}} design (and is quite popular with [[PeripheryDemographic female]] ''[[PeripheryDemographic Tekken]]'' [[PeripheryDemographic players]], the likes of which include Aruu and Jennail "[=CuddleCore=]" Carter) coupled with a very unique and interesting moveset, not the least of which includes friggin' ''[[ChainsawGood chainsaw blades]]'' before [[Manga/ChainsawMan Denji]] came along. Conversely, she's disliked for - at best - being a serious nuisance to fight against online (namely in ''7'', but most notoriously being ThatOneBoss in ''6's'' Scenario Campaign) and - at worst - being a waifubait character with little else in the way of characterization.
** Lars. You either like him for his badass and over-the-top anime-inspired moveset or dislike him for the very same reasons (plus his, ah, [[AnimeHair "unique"]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking haircut]]) and/or have bad memories of his time as a HighTierScrappy in his debut game (and by extension ''Tag 2'').
** Alisa is liked for her {{Moe}} design (and is quite popular with [[PeripheryDemographic female]] ''[[PeripheryDemographic Tekken]]'' [[PeripheryDemographic players]], the likes of which include Aruu and Jennail "[=CuddleCore=]" Carter) coupled with a very unique and interesting moveset, not the least of which includes friggin' ''[[ChainsawGood chainsaw blades]]'' before [[Manga/ChainsawMan Denji]] came along. Conversely, she's disliked for - at best - being a serious nuisance to fight against online (namely in ''7'', but most notoriously being ThatOneBoss in ''6's'' Scenario Campaign) and - at worst - being a waifubait character with little else in the way of characterization.
** Lars. You either like him for his badass and over-the-top anime-inspired moveset or dislike him for the very same reasons (plus his, ah, [[AnimeHair "unique"]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking haircut]]) and/or have bad memories of his time as a HighTierScrappy in his debut game (and by extension ''Tag 2'').
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* The two characters added in ''Bloodline Rebellion'' both have equal amounts of fans and detractors for varying reasons.
**Alisa is liked for her {{Moe}} design (and is quite popular with [[PeripheryDemographic female]] ''[[PeripheryDemographic Tekken]]'' [[PeripheryDemographic players]], the likes of which include Aruu and Jennail "[=CuddleCore=]" Carter) coupled with a very unique and interesting moveset, not the least of which includes friggin' ''[[ChainsawGood chainsaw blades]]'' before [[Manga/ChainsawMan Denji]] came along. Conversely, she's disliked for - at best - being a serious nuisance to fight against online (namely in ''7'', but most notoriously being ThatOneBoss in ''6's'' Scenario Campaign) and - at worst - being a waifubait character with little else in the way of characterization.
** * Lars. You either like him for his badass and over-the-top anime-inspired moveset or dislike him for the very same reasons (plus his, ah, [[AnimeHair "unique"]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking haircut]]) and/or have bad memories of his time as a HighTierScrappy in his debut game (and by extension ''Tag 2'').
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* ''Tekken 7'', being the ContestedSequel that it is, has ''plenty'' to say on this matter.
** "2D style" characters, particularly in ''Tekken 7'', in general fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
** The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
** Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.
** Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragging out the Devil Gene plot for another game, which some fans saw as played out.
** Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "[=pay2win=]" DLC).
** Lucky Chloe fits the bill even in the American fanbase, despite the massive hatred she has received. While some are extremely pissed with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, many have defended her, saying that the accusations were premature; she still brought diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous character designs that were already in the series (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she played had been shown. This is a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, serviceable character gameplay-wise, and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)". However, both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
** Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those who wanted a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu (who eventually debuted in the Season 4 DLC), especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter.
** [[Series/TheWalkingDead Negan]] as a GuestFighter for a ''Tekken'' game was quite surprising, since he would seem to be more fit towards a Western fighting game series such as ''Franchise/MortalKombat'', where his home series' brutality would be appropriate. Also, ''The Walking Dead'' is not necessarily that large of a fandom to appeal to, even outside the context of fighting games. Still, some players who have actually played as Negan appreciate the uniqueness he brings to the game and several subtle references to the show he's from. Another point of contention with his character is his long, drawn-out intros and win-poses; almost like the game itself encourages Negan players to {{Troll}} their opponents by letting them play out rather than skipping them.
** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's pretty much accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of then-popular games such as ''Final Fantasy XV'' (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a base breaker of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also didn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who doesn't belong on ''Tekken'''s world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]] There's also the fact that many considered him a more fitting choice for inclusion in the ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soul]]'' series, where his explicitly magical multi-weapon style would be more accepted.
** "2D style" characters, particularly in ''Tekken 7'', in general fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
** The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
** Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.
** Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragging out the Devil Gene plot for another game, which some fans saw as played out.
** Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "[=pay2win=]" DLC).
** Lucky Chloe fits the bill even in the American fanbase, despite the massive hatred she has received. While some are extremely pissed with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, many have defended her, saying that the accusations were premature; she still brought diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous character designs that were already in the series (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she played had been shown. This is a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, serviceable character gameplay-wise, and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)". However, both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
** Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those who wanted a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu (who eventually debuted in the Season 4 DLC), especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter.
** [[Series/TheWalkingDead Negan]] as a GuestFighter for a ''Tekken'' game was quite surprising, since he would seem to be more fit towards a Western fighting game series such as ''Franchise/MortalKombat'', where his home series' brutality would be appropriate. Also, ''The Walking Dead'' is not necessarily that large of a fandom to appeal to, even outside the context of fighting games. Still, some players who have actually played as Negan appreciate the uniqueness he brings to the game and several subtle references to the show he's from. Another point of contention with his character is his long, drawn-out intros and win-poses; almost like the game itself encourages Negan players to {{Troll}} their opponents by letting them play out rather than skipping them.
** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's pretty much accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of then-popular games such as ''Final Fantasy XV'' (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a base breaker of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also didn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who doesn't belong on ''Tekken'''s world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]] There's also the fact that many considered him a more fitting choice for inclusion in the ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soul]]'' series, where his explicitly magical multi-weapon style would be more accepted.
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* ''Tekken 7'', being the ContestedSequel that it is, has ''plenty'' to say on this matter.
**"2D style" characters, particularly in ''Tekken 7'', in general fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
** * The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
** * Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.
** * Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragging out the Devil Gene plot for another game, which some fans saw as played out.
** * Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "[=pay2win=]" DLC).
** * Lucky Chloe fits the bill even in the American fanbase, despite the massive hatred she has received. While some are extremely pissed with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, many have defended her, saying that the accusations were premature; she still brought diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous character designs that were already in the series (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she played had been shown. This is a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, serviceable character gameplay-wise, and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)". However, both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
** * Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those who wanted a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu (who eventually debuted in the Season 4 DLC), especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter.
** * [[Series/TheWalkingDead Negan]] as a GuestFighter for a ''Tekken'' game was quite surprising, since he would seem to be more fit towards a Western fighting game series such as ''Franchise/MortalKombat'', where his home series' brutality would be appropriate. Also, ''The Walking Dead'' is not necessarily that large of a fandom to appeal to, even outside the context of fighting games. Still, some players who have actually played as Negan appreciate the uniqueness he brings to the game and several subtle references to the show he's from. Another point of contention with his character is his long, drawn-out intros and win-poses; almost like the game itself encourages Negan players to {{Troll}} their opponents by letting them play out rather than skipping them.
** * [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's pretty much accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of then-popular games such as ''Final Fantasy XV'' (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a base breaker of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also didn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who doesn't belong on ''Tekken'''s world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]] There's also the fact that many considered him a more fitting choice for inclusion in the ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soul]]'' series, where his explicitly magical multi-weapon style would be more accepted.
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** Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.]]
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** Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.]]
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** Alisa is liked for her {{Moe}} design (and is quite popular with [[PeripheryDemographic female]] ''[[PeripheryDemographic Tekken]]'' [[PeripheryDemographic players]], the likes of which include Aruu and Jennail "[=CuddleCore=]" Carter) coupled with a very unique and interesting moveset, not the least of which includes friggin' ''[[ChainsawGood chainsaw blades]]'' before [[Anime/ChainsawMan Denji]] came along. Conversely, she's disliked for - at best - being a serious nuisance to fight against online (namely in ''7'', but most notoriously being ThatOneBoss in ''6's'' Scenario Campaign) and - at worst - being a waifubait character with little else in the way of characterization.
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** Alisa is liked for her {{Moe}} design (and is quite popular with [[PeripheryDemographic female]] ''[[PeripheryDemographic Tekken]]'' [[PeripheryDemographic players]], the likes of which include Aruu and Jennail "[=CuddleCore=]" Carter) coupled with a very unique and interesting moveset, not the least of which includes friggin' ''[[ChainsawGood chainsaw blades]]'' before [[Anime/ChainsawMan [[Manga/ChainsawMan Denji]] came along. Conversely, she's disliked for - at best - being a serious nuisance to fight against online (namely in ''7'', but most notoriously being ThatOneBoss in ''6's'' Scenario Campaign) and - at worst - being a waifubait character with little else in the way of characterization.
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* Bob is a pretty big one (no pun intended). Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
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* Bob is a pretty big one (no pun intended). Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy [[HighTierScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
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* Lars. You either like him for his badass and over-the-top anime-inspired moveset or dislike him for the very same reasons (plus his, ah, [[AnimeHair "unique"]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking haircut]]) and/or have bad memories of his time as a HighTierScrappy in his debut game (and by extension ''Tag 2'').
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* The two characters added in ''Bloodline Rebellion'' both have equal amounts of fans and detractors for varying reasons.
** Alisa is liked for her {{Moe}} design (and is quite popular with [[PeripheryDemographic female]] ''[[PeripheryDemographic Tekken]]'' [[PeripheryDemographic players]], the likes of which include Aruu and Jennail "[=CuddleCore=]" Carter) coupled with a very unique and interesting moveset, not the least of which includes friggin' ''[[ChainsawGood chainsaw blades]]'' before [[Anime/ChainsawMan Denji]] came along. Conversely, she's disliked for - at best - being a serious nuisance to fight against online (namely in ''7'', but most notoriously being ThatOneBoss in ''6's'' Scenario Campaign) and - at worst - being a waifubait character with little else in the way of characterization.
** Lars. You either like him for his badass and over-the-top anime-inspired moveset or dislike him for the very same reasons (plus his, ah, [[AnimeHair "unique"]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking haircut]]) and/or have bad memories of his time as a HighTierScrappy in his debut game (and by extension ''Tag 2'').
** Alisa is liked for her {{Moe}} design (and is quite popular with [[PeripheryDemographic female]] ''[[PeripheryDemographic Tekken]]'' [[PeripheryDemographic players]], the likes of which include Aruu and Jennail "[=CuddleCore=]" Carter) coupled with a very unique and interesting moveset, not the least of which includes friggin' ''[[ChainsawGood chainsaw blades]]'' before [[Anime/ChainsawMan Denji]] came along. Conversely, she's disliked for - at best - being a serious nuisance to fight against online (namely in ''7'', but most notoriously being ThatOneBoss in ''6's'' Scenario Campaign) and - at worst - being a waifubait character with little else in the way of characterization.
** Lars. You either like him for his badass and over-the-top anime-inspired moveset or dislike him for the very same reasons (plus his, ah, [[AnimeHair "unique"]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking haircut]]) and/or have bad memories of his time as a HighTierScrappy in his debut game (and by extension ''Tag 2'').
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* Lars. You either like him for his badass and over-the-top anime-inspired moveset or dislike him for the very same reasons (plus his, ah, [[AnimeHair "unique"]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking haircut]]) and/or have bad memories of his time as a HighTierScrappy in his debut game (and by extension ''Tag 2'').
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* When Lili was introduced, she was received warmly as a pretty, stylish and amusing fighter. Even to this day, Lili still has fans who liked her this way. However, come ''Tekken 6'', she gains a sizable number of detractors matching her fandom due to being made into Asuka's rival and her characterization ends up being summed up as 'being extremely petty and making Asuka's life miserable just for being beaten'. It comes at the cost of most of Asuka's other ongoing arcs, starting from her being a Kazama and able to neutralize the Devil Gene, as well as her vendetta against Feng Wei or whatever injustice she feels like in need of some straightening (including her very own cousin Jin), [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot being ignored in favor of a cliched, petty teenage schoolgirl rivalry.]] The detractors also view this rivalry as a poor man's [[Franchise/StreetFighter Sakura Kasugano-Karin Kanzuki rivalry]], because these characters are allowed to develop beyond their rivalry. Lili's fans, however, find this acceptable as it also contributes to the popularity of BOTH Asuka and Lili. In a manner, this whole situation can also be applied to Asuka's fandom as well.
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* When Lili was introduced, she was received warmly as a pretty, stylish and amusing fighter. Even to this day, Lili still has fans who liked her this way. However, come ''Tekken 6'', she gains a sizable number of detractors matching her fandom due to being made into Asuka's rival and her characterization ends up being summed up as 'being extremely petty and making Asuka's life miserable just for being beaten'. It comes at the cost of most of Asuka's other ongoing arcs, starting from her being a Kazama and able to neutralize the Devil Gene, as well as her vendetta against Feng Wei or whatever injustice she feels like in need of some straightening (including her very own cousin Jin), [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot being ignored in favor of a cliched, petty teenage schoolgirl rivalry.]] The detractors also view this rivalry as a poor man's [[Franchise/StreetFighter Sakura Kasugano-Karin Kanzuki rivalry]], because these characters are allowed to develop beyond their rivalry.rivalry as opposed to Asuka-Lili rivalry which tends to be static. Lili's fans, however, find this acceptable as it also contributes to the popularity of BOTH Asuka and Lili. In a manner, this whole situation can also be applied to Asuka's fandom as well.
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* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. Many lament that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization. After he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. At the same time, the other camp thinks his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family; their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
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* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. Many lament that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization. After he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. At the same time, the other camp thinks his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family; their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
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* Lili started to become this due to fans accusing her of ruining Asuka's potential in the main story (given her status as a Kazama) and placing sole emphasis on Lili's petty rivalry with her.
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* When Lili started was introduced, she was received warmly as a pretty, stylish and amusing fighter. Even to become this day, Lili still has fans who liked her this way. However, come ''Tekken 6'', she gains a sizable number of detractors matching her fandom due to fans accusing her of ruining being made into Asuka's potential in rival and her characterization ends up being summed up as 'being extremely petty and making Asuka's life miserable just for being beaten'. It comes at the main story (given cost of most of Asuka's other ongoing arcs, starting from her status being a Kazama and able to neutralize the Devil Gene, as well as her vendetta against Feng Wei or whatever injustice she feels like in need of some straightening (including her very own cousin Jin), [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot being ignored in favor of a cliched, petty teenage schoolgirl rivalry.]] The detractors also view this rivalry as a Kazama) and placing sole emphasis on poor man's [[Franchise/StreetFighter Sakura Kasugano-Karin Kanzuki rivalry]], because these characters are allowed to develop beyond their rivalry. Lili's petty rivalry with her.
fans, however, find this acceptable as it also contributes to the popularity of BOTH Asuka and Lili. In a manner, this whole situation can also be applied to Asuka's fandom as well.
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* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
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* Bob is a pretty big one.one (no pun intended). Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
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* "2D style" characters, particularly in ''Tekken 7'', in general fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
* The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
* The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
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!!''Tekken''
*"2D style" characters, particularly Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. Many lament that his calmer badass characterization in ''Tekken 7'', ''4'' was the top of his characterization. After he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in general fall into this. Some players feel Akuma ''4'' and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for before. At the same time, the other camp thinks his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family; their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
* The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. Peopleissues were either excited for him and made jokes very much the same about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at theserious playerbase]].characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
!!''Tekken 3''
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* The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the
!!''Tekken 3''
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* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game was to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who wanted to do just that. The fact that she got onto the roster, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna, Julia, and Zafina had been cut (all of whom later returned as DLC) is another point of contention.
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.]]
* Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragging out the Devil Gene plot for another game, which some fans saw as played out.
* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "[=pay2win=]" DLC).
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.]]
* Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragging out the Devil Gene plot for another game, which some fans saw as played out.
* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "[=pay2win=]" DLC).
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* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just closest the series has had to a few who accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what proper heroic protagonist to contrast both Kazuya and Heihachi, Jin had developed a broken base on his own following his FaceHeelTurn in ''6''. While some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game was to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who wanted to do just that. The fact believe that she got onto the roster, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna, Julia, and Zafina had been cut (all turn still kept him interesting in terms of whom later returned as DLC) is another point of contention.
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit andhim choosing to go down a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] darker path intentionally such that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.]]
* Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragginghe can eventually wipe out the Devil Gene plot for another game, which some entire Mishima bloodline, fans saw as played out.
* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shiftedtook umbrage with how badly the opinion of actual turn in question was executed. Even the player base explanation that Jin intentionally kicked off the events of ''6'' for an actual greater purpose was watered down by later reveals in ''7'' (namely, that Azazel's defeat didn't amount to anything and the gene had actually been passed down from a positive one (right after his reveal at grandmother Kazumi's side), and that his noble motives weren't enough to justify starting an entire world war to accomplish his goals. Even as the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising series has taken steps to making him a more-or-less heroic figure going forward following ''6'', seemingly being set on a HeelFaceTurn in ''8'', his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC entire arc in game and made evident ''6'' [[NeverLiveItDown continues to haunt his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "[=pay2win=]" DLC).characterization]].
!!''Tekken 5''
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and
* Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragging
* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted
!!''Tekken 5''
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* Lucky Chloe fits the bill even in the American fanbase, despite the massive hatred she has received. While some are extremely pissed with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, many have defended her, saying that the accusations were premature; she still brought diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous character designs that were already in the series (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she played had been shown. This is a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, serviceable character gameplay-wise, and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)". However, both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those who wanted a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu (who eventually debuted in the Season 4 DLC), especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter.
* [[Series/TheWalkingDead Negan]] as a GuestFighter for a ''Tekken'' game was quite surprising, since he would seem to be more fit towards a Western fighting game series such as ''Franchise/MortalKombat'', where his home series' brutality would be appropriate. Also, ''The Walking Dead'' is not necessarily that large of a fandom to appeal to, even outside the context of fighting games. Still, some players who have actually played as Negan appreciate the uniqueness he brings to the game and several subtle references to the show he's from. Another point of contention with his character is his long, drawn-out intros and win-poses; almost like the game itself encourages Negan players to {{Troll}} their opponents by letting them play out rather than skipping them.
* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's pretty much accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of then-popular games such as ''Final Fantasy XV'' (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a base breaker of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also didn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who doesn't belong on ''Tekken'''s world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]] There's also the fact that many considered him a more fitting choice for inclusion in the ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soul]]'' series, where his explicitly magical multi-weapon style would be more accepted.
%%* Ogre is scorned mostly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun Kazama from a canonical roster until ''8''.
* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. Many lament that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization. After he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. At the same time, the other camp thinks his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family; their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
* As the closest the series has had to a proper heroic protagonist to contrast both Kazuya and Heihachi, Jin had developed a broken base on his own following his FaceHeelTurn in ''6''. While some believe that the turn still kept him interesting in terms of him choosing to go down a darker path intentionally such that he can eventually wipe out the entire Mishima bloodline, fans took umbrage with how badly the actual turn in question was executed. Even the explanation that Jin intentionally kicked off the events of ''6'' for an actual greater purpose was watered down by later reveals in ''7'' (namely, that Azazel's defeat didn't amount to anything and the gene had actually been passed down from his grandmother Kazumi's side), and that his noble motives weren't enough to justify starting an entire world war to accomplish his goals. Even as the series has taken steps to making him a more-or-less heroic figure going forward following ''6'', seemingly being set on a HeelFaceTurn in ''8'', his entire arc in ''6'' [[NeverLiveItDown continues to haunt his characterization]].
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those who wanted a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu (who eventually debuted in the Season 4 DLC), especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter.
* [[Series/TheWalkingDead Negan]] as a GuestFighter for a ''Tekken'' game was quite surprising, since he would seem to be more fit towards a Western fighting game series such as ''Franchise/MortalKombat'', where his home series' brutality would be appropriate. Also, ''The Walking Dead'' is not necessarily that large of a fandom to appeal to, even outside the context of fighting games. Still, some players who have actually played as Negan appreciate the uniqueness he brings to the game and several subtle references to the show he's from. Another point of contention with his character is his long, drawn-out intros and win-poses; almost like the game itself encourages Negan players to {{Troll}} their opponents by letting them play out rather than skipping them.
* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's pretty much accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of then-popular games such as ''Final Fantasy XV'' (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a base breaker of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also didn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who doesn't belong on ''Tekken'''s world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]] There's also the fact that many considered him a more fitting choice for inclusion in the ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soul]]'' series, where his explicitly magical multi-weapon style would be more accepted.
%%* Ogre is scorned mostly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun Kazama from a canonical roster until ''8''.
* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. Many lament that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization. After he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. At the same time, the other camp thinks his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family; their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
* As the closest the series has had to a proper heroic protagonist to contrast both Kazuya and Heihachi, Jin had developed a broken base on his own following his FaceHeelTurn in ''6''. While some believe that the turn still kept him interesting in terms of him choosing to go down a darker path intentionally such that he can eventually wipe out the entire Mishima bloodline, fans took umbrage with how badly the actual turn in question was executed. Even the explanation that Jin intentionally kicked off the events of ''6'' for an actual greater purpose was watered down by later reveals in ''7'' (namely, that Azazel's defeat didn't amount to anything and the gene had actually been passed down from his grandmother Kazumi's side), and that his noble motives weren't enough to justify starting an entire world war to accomplish his goals. Even as the series has taken steps to making him a more-or-less heroic figure going forward following ''6'', seemingly being set on a HeelFaceTurn in ''8'', his entire arc in ''6'' [[NeverLiveItDown continues to haunt his characterization]].
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!!''Tekken 6''
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
!!''Tekken Revolution''
* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game was to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who wanted to do just that. The fact that she got onto the roster, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna, Julia, and Zafina had been cut (all of whom later returned as DLC) is another point of contention.
!!''Tekken 7''
* ''Tekken 7'', being the ContestedSequel that it is, has ''plenty'' to say on this matter.
** "2D style" characters, particularly in ''Tekken 7'', in general fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
** The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
** Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.]]
** Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragging out the Devil Gene plot for another game, which some fans saw as played out.
** Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "[=pay2win=]" DLC).
** Lucky Chloe fits the bill even in the American fanbase, despite the massive hatred she has received. While some are extremely pissed with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, many have defended her, saying that the accusations were premature; she still brought diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous character designs that were already in the series (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she played had been shown. This is a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, serviceable character gameplay-wise, and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)". However, both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
%%* Ogre is scorned mostly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun Kazama from a canonical roster until ''8''.
* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. Many lament that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization. After he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. At the same time, the other camp thinks his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family; their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
* As the closest the series has had to a proper heroic protagonist to contrast both Kazuya and Heihachi, Jin had developed a broken base on his own following his FaceHeelTurn in ''6''. While some believe that the turn still kept him interesting in terms of him choosing to go down a darker path intentionally such that he can eventually wipe out the entire Mishima bloodline, fans took umbrage with how badly the actual turn in question was executed. Even the explanation that Jin intentionally kicked off the events of ''6'' for an actual greater purpose was watered down by later reveals in ''7'' (namely, that Azazel's defeat didn't amount to anything and the gene had actually been passed down from his grandmother Kazumi's side), and that his noble motives weren't enough to justify starting an entire world war to accomplish his goals. Even as the series has taken steps to making him a more-or-less heroic figure going forward following ''6'', seemingly being set on a HeelFaceTurn in ''8'', his entire arc in ''6'' [[NeverLiveItDown continues to haunt his characterization]].
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* As the closest the series has had to a proper heroic protagonist to contrast both Kazuya and Heihachi, Jin had developed a broken base on his own following his FaceHeelTurn in ''6''. While some believe that the turn still kept him interesting in terms of him choosing to go down a darker path intentionally such that he can eventually wipe out the entire Mishima bloodline, fans took umbrage with how badly the actual turn in question was executed. Even the explanation that Jin intentionally kicked off the events of ''6'' for an actual greater purpose was watered down by later reveals in ''7'' (namely, that Azazel's defeat didn't amount to anything and the gene had actually been passed down from his grandmother Kazumi's side), and that his noble motives weren't enough to justify starting an entire world war to accomplish his goals. Even as the series has taken steps to making him a more-or-less heroic figure going forward following ''6'', his entire arc in ''6'' continues to haunt his characterization.
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* As the closest the series has had to a proper heroic protagonist to contrast both Kazuya and Heihachi, Jin had developed a broken base on his own following his FaceHeelTurn in ''6''. While some believe that the turn still kept him interesting in terms of him choosing to go down a darker path intentionally such that he can eventually wipe out the entire Mishima bloodline, fans took umbrage with how badly the actual turn in question was executed. Even the explanation that Jin intentionally kicked off the events of ''6'' for an actual greater purpose was watered down by later reveals in ''7'' (namely, that Azazel's defeat didn't amount to anything and the gene had actually been passed down from his grandmother Kazumi's side), and that his noble motives weren't enough to justify starting an entire world war to accomplish his goals. Even as the series has taken steps to making him a more-or-less heroic figure going forward following ''6'', seemingly being set on a HeelFaceTurn in ''8'', his entire arc in ''6'' [[NeverLiveItDown continues to haunt his characterization.characterization]].
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* As the closest the series has had to a proper heroic protagonist to contrast both Kazuya and Heihachi, Jin had developed a broken base on his own following his FaceHeelTurn in ''6''. While some believe that the turn still kept him interesting in terms of him choosing to go down a darker path intentionally such that he can eventually wipe out the entire Mishima bloodline, fans took umbrage with how badly the actual turn in question was executed. Even the explanation that Jin intentionally kicked off the events of ''6'' for an actual greater purpose was watered down by later reveals in ''7'' (namely, that Azazel's defeat didn't amount to anything and the gene had actually been passed down from his grandmother Kazumi's side), and that his noble motives weren't enough to justify starting an entire world war to accomplish his goals. Even as the series has taken steps to making him a more-or-less heroic figure going forward following ''6'', his entire arc in ''6'' continues to haunt his characterization.
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Why is there no other context with how Ogre is perceived on the other side of the conflict? It's like a replacement scrappy example pretending to be a base breaking character example. Hiding until someone properly clarifies.
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* Ogre gets similar scorn, but not because of his character ([[FlatCharacter or lack thereof]]). He's seen as TheScrappy mainly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun from the roster. While it took ''27 years'' and [[Anime/TekkenBloodline an anime]], at least Jun [[TheBusCameBack eventually returned]] in ''Tekken 8'', but still.
* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. There are many who laments that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization and after he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. Whereas the other camp thinks that his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The very same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family, their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. There are many who laments that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization and after he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. Whereas the other camp thinks that his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The very same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family, their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
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* Ogre gets similar scorn, but not because of his character ([[FlatCharacter or lack thereof]]). He's seen as TheScrappy mainly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun from the roster.
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* Ogre gets similar scorn, but not because of his character ([[FlatCharacter or lack thereof]]). He's seen as TheScrappy mainly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun from the roster. While it took ''27 years'' and [[Anime/TekkenBloodline an anime]], at least Jun [[TheBusCameBack eventually returned]] in ''Tekken 8'', but still.
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** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's pretty much accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of then-popular games such as ''Final Fantasy XV'' (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a base breaker of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also didn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who doesn't belong on ''Tekken'''s world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]] There's also the fact that many considered him a more fitting choice for inclusion in the ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soul]]'' series, where his explicitly magical multi-weapon style would be more accepted.
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* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of currently popular games such as Final Fantasy XV (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a polarizing entry of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also doesn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who just doesn't belong on Tekken's world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series, to begin with.[[/note]]
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* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's pretty much accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of currently popular then-popular games such as Final ''Final Fantasy XV XV'' (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a polarizing entry base breaker of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also doesn't didn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who just doesn't belong on Tekken's ''Tekken'''s world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series, series to begin with.[[/note]][[/note]] There's also the fact that many considered him a more fitting choice for inclusion in the ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soul]]'' series, where his explicitly magical multi-weapon style would be more accepted.
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* The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
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* "2D style" characters, particularly in ''Tekken 7'', in general also fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
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* "2D style" characters, particularly in ''Tekken 7'', in general also fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
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* "2D style" characters, particularly in ''Tekken 7'', in general also fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
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* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. There are many who laments that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization and after he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. Whereas the other camp thinks that his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The very same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family, their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
* Ogre gets similar scorn, but not because of his character ([[FlatCharacter or lack thereof]]). He's seen as TheScrappy mainly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun from the roster.
* Ogre gets similar scorn, but not because of his character ([[FlatCharacter or lack thereof]]). He's seen as TheScrappy mainly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun from the roster.
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* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. There are Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who laments accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game was to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who wanted to do just that. The fact that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was she got onto the top of his characterization and after he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. Whereas the roster, while other camp thinks that his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The very same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family, their issues were very much the same about serious characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna, Julia, and Zafina had been cut (all of whom later returned as DLC) is another point of contention.
** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's pretty much accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of then-popular games such as ''Final Fantasy XV'' (this game itself [[BrokenBase beingturned a base breaker of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also didn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who doesn't belong on ''Tekken'''s world. [[note]]This somehow brings into comic relief since ''5''.
question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]] There's also the fact that many considered him a more fitting choice for inclusion in the ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soul]]'' series, where his explicitly magical multi-weapon style would be more accepted.
*Ogre gets similar scorn, but not Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either loved her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hated her because of his her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character ([[FlatCharacter and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or lack thereof]]). He's seen as TheScrappy mainly because his inclusion forced the removal she's disliked for having replaced Bruce at all, on top of Jun from the roster.[[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations.]]
** [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's pretty much accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of then-popular games such as ''Final Fantasy XV'' (this game itself [[BrokenBase being
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* Lucky Chloe fit the bill after her debut, even in the American fanbase in spite of the massive hatred she got. While some are extremely pissed with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, there are many who defended her, saying that the accusations were premature, she still brings diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous character designs (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she plays had been shown. This is a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, servicable character gameplay-wise and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)", although both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either love her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hate her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for replacing Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations]].
* The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those wanting a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu, especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter. (Ironically, this camp was served well; Kunimitsu returns as a DLC, though it's the original's daughter)
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who have accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game is to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who want to do just that. The fact that she's getting in, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna and Julia had been cut (to appear later as DLC) was another point of contention.
* "2D style" characters, other than the already aforementioned Eliza, in general also fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either love her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hate her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for replacing Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations]].
* The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those wanting a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu, especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter. (Ironically, this camp was served well; Kunimitsu returns as a DLC, though it's the original's daughter)
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who have accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game is to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who want to do just that. The fact that she's getting in, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna and Julia had been cut (to appear later as DLC) was another point of contention.
* "2D style" characters, other than the already aforementioned Eliza, in general also fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
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* Lucky Chloe fit the bill after her debut, Leroy Smith as well, even in though he has shifted the American fanbase in spite opinion of the massive hatred she got. While some are extremely pissed player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, there are many who defended her, saying that the accusations were premature, she still brings diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous players almost unanimously praising his character designs (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she plays had been shown. This is design) into a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, servicable character gameplay-wise and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)", although both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either love her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hate her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for replacing Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries inheavily negative one of her victory animations]].
* The inclusion of(after he finally appeared as a GuestFighter DLC in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him game and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helpedevident his "broken" gameplay with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those wanting a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu, especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter. (Ironically, this camp was served well; Kunimitsu returns as a DLC, though it's the original's daughter)
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' gotmany people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who have accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game is to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who want to do just that. The fact that she's getting in, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna and Julia had been cut (to appear later as DLC) was another point of contention.
* "2D style" characters, other than the already aforementioned Eliza, in general also fall into this. Someeasy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions to declare him as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential. a "[=pay2win=]" DLC).
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either love her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hate her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for replacing Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in
* The inclusion of
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got
* "2D style" characters, other than the already aforementioned Eliza, in general also fall into this. Some
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* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of currently popular games such as Final Fantasy XV (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a polarizing entry of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also doesn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who just doesn't belong on Tekken's world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]]
* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "pay2win" DLC).
* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "pay2win" DLC).
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* Lucky Chloe fits the bill even in the American fanbase, despite the massive hatred she has received. While some are extremely pissed with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, many have defended her, saying that the accusations were premature; she still brought diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous character designs that were already in the series (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she played had been shown. This is a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, serviceable character gameplay-wise, and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)". However, both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those who wanted a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu (who eventually debuted in the Season 4 DLC), especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter.
* [[Series/TheWalkingDead Negan]] as a GuestFighter for a ''Tekken'' game was quite surprising, since he would seem to be more fit towards a Western fighting game series such as ''Franchise/MortalKombat'', where his home series' brutality would be appropriate. Also, ''The Walking Dead'' is not necessarily that large of a fandom to appeal to, even outside the context of fighting games. Still, some players who have actually played as Negan appreciate the uniqueness he brings to the game and several subtle references to the show he's from. Another point of contention with his character is his long, drawn-out intros and win-poses; almost like the game itself encourages Negan players to {{Troll}} their opponents by letting them play out rather than skipping them.
* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of currently popular games such as Final Fantasy XV (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a polarizing entry of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also doesn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who just doesn't belong on Tekken's world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting gameseries series, to begin with.[[/note]]
*Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion Ogre gets similar scorn, but not because of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) ([[FlatCharacter or lack thereof]]). He's seen as TheScrappy mainly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun from the roster.
* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. There are many who laments that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization and after he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. Whereas the other camp thinks that his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The very same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family, their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
* The inclusion of aheavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC GuestFighter in game the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him as for being a "pay2win" DLC).GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those who wanted a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu (who eventually debuted in the Season 4 DLC), especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter.
* [[Series/TheWalkingDead Negan]] as a GuestFighter for a ''Tekken'' game was quite surprising, since he would seem to be more fit towards a Western fighting game series such as ''Franchise/MortalKombat'', where his home series' brutality would be appropriate. Also, ''The Walking Dead'' is not necessarily that large of a fandom to appeal to, even outside the context of fighting games. Still, some players who have actually played as Negan appreciate the uniqueness he brings to the game and several subtle references to the show he's from. Another point of contention with his character is his long, drawn-out intros and win-poses; almost like the game itself encourages Negan players to {{Troll}} their opponents by letting them play out rather than skipping them.
* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of currently popular games such as Final Fantasy XV (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a polarizing entry of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also doesn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who just doesn't belong on Tekken's world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game
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* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. There are many who laments that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization and after he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. Whereas the other camp thinks that his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The very same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family, their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
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* Bryan. In a bit of a subversion, people have no qualms with the character. It's simply a matter of which ''characterization'' of him you like: the more reserved badass that debuted in ''3'' or the raging, power-hungry OneManArmy that emerged in ''5'' (''4'' was a bit of intermediate stage). Although it's worth mentioning that even in 3's ending, Bryan throws the upper half of a tank at a special forces squad and cackles on top of a police cruiser after killing them in one fell swoop, so he wasn't exactly what one would call 'reserved' in early installments.
* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. There are many who laments that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization and after he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. Whereas the other camp thinks that his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The very same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family, their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
* Ogre gets similar scorn, but not because of his character ([[FlatCharacter or lack thereof]]). He's seen as TheScrappy mainly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun from the roster.
* Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragging out the Devil Gene plot for another game, which some fans saw as played out.
* Lucky Chloe fit the bill after her debut, even in the American fanbase in spite of the massive hatred she got. While some are extremely pissed with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, there are many who defended her, saying that the accusations were premature, she still brings diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous character designs (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she plays had been shown. This is a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, servicable character gameplay-wise and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)", although both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either love her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hate her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for replacing Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations]].
* The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those wanting a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu, especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter. (Ironically, this camp was served well; Kunimitsu returns as a DLC, though it's the original's daughter)
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who have accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game is to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who want to do just that. The fact that she's getting in, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna and Julia had been cut (to appear later as DLC) was another point of contention.
* "2D style" characters, other than the already aforementioned Eliza, in general also fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
* Lili started to become this due to fans accusing her of ruining Asuka's potential in the main story (given her status as a Kazama) and placing sole emphasis on Lili's petty rivalry with her.
* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of currently popular games such as Final Fantasy XV (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a polarizing entry of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also doesn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who just doesn't belong on Tekken's world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]]
* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "pay2win" DLC).
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* Bryan. In a bit of a subversion, people have no qualms with the character. It's simply a matter of which ''characterization'' of him you like: the more reserved badass that debuted in ''3'' or the raging, power-hungry OneManArmy that emerged in ''5'' (''4'' was a bit of intermediate stage). Although it's worth mentioning that even in 3's ending, Bryan throws the upper half of a tank at a special forces squad and cackles on top of a police cruiser after killing them in one fell swoop, so he wasn't exactly what one would call 'reserved' in early installments.
* Similarly to Bryan, there's Paul Phoenix. There are many who laments that his calmer badass characterization in ''4'' was the top of his characterization and after he became a comic relief ever since ''5'', they take it as if Namco has been doing him dirty to his dignity as seen in ''4'' and before. Whereas the other camp thinks that his comic relief side is okay and ActuallyPrettyFunny. The very same argument can also be thrown to Marshall Law and his family, their issues were very much the same about serious characters being turned into comic relief since ''5''.
* Ogre gets similar scorn, but not because of his character ([[FlatCharacter or lack thereof]]). He's seen as TheScrappy mainly because his inclusion forced the removal of Jun from the roster.
* Kazumi became this due to the retcons of Kazuya's origin story that she represents as well as dragging out the Devil Gene plot for another game, which some fans saw as played out.
* Lucky Chloe fit the bill after her debut, even in the American fanbase in spite of the massive hatred she got. While some are extremely pissed with her design and overly blatant moe attitude, there are many who defended her, saying that the accusations were premature, she still brings diversity to the cast, pointed out many of the other more ridiculous character designs (such as Kuma or Alex), and that judgment should be reserved until how she plays had been shown. This is a fighting game, after all. In the end, her base is now split between "She's a normal, servicable character gameplay-wise and that's good for her" and "She's personality-wise irritating (see AmericansHateTingle)", although both bases still have an agreement about how she's still above the nameless reporter.
* Josie Rizal in ''7'', particularly amongst Filipinos, who either love her because the Philippines has been historically underrepresented in video games, or hate her because of her {{Stripperiffic}} outfit and a [[NamedAfterSomebodyFamous choice of name]] that they consider insensitive to Philippine culture and history. Outside of Filipinos, the argument is different: She's either a decent character and someone that gives Bruce's moveset her own good spin, or she's disliked for replacing Bruce at all, on top of [[WhatMeasureIsANonBadass being a crybaby that cries in one of her victory animations]].
* The inclusion of a GuestFighter in the update to ''Tekken 7'': [[Franchise/StreetFighter Akuma]]. People were either excited for him and made jokes about how this is why he's not in the initial roster of ''Street Fighter V'', or despised him for being a GuestFighter and the fact that he was actually being implemented into the story of the game.
* Master Raven. Some disliked her for replacing the original Raven, while others liked having another female fighter in the series. As a bonus for some, the fact that she's basically the ''Tekken'' equivalent to [[VideoGame/SoulSeries Taki]], quite possibly ''the'' most popular and iconic female character of that series, if not overall, in both [[MsFanservice appearance]] and personality, definitely helped with getting fans to accept her. On the other hand, there are those wanting a female ninja but would've preferred the return of Kunimitsu, especially after she was revamped for ''Tag 2'', instead of a completely new fighter. (Ironically, this camp was served well; Kunimitsu returns as a DLC, though it's the original's daughter)
* Bob is a pretty big one. Some people love him for being a fat character that ''isn't'' used solely for comic relief, and for having a very fun playstyle. Others revile him for being [[TierInducedScrappy ridiculously overpowered]] (especially in ''Tekken 6'', case in point; EVO 2011 grand finals was a Bob mirror), and for having very little purpose in the game's roster other than being the token fat character - not to mention how he is a somewhat unsubtle [[TakeThatAudience jab at the serious playerbase]].
* Eliza returning in ''Tekken 7'' got many people riled up for being ''yet another'' "waifu bait" character as opposed to a more traditional fighter. As the game already featured Lili, Asuka, Xiaoyu, Alisa, Josie, ''and'' Lucky Chloe, there are more than just a few who have accused Harada of deliberately PanderingToTheBase for what some view as the LowestCommonDenominator. The only way to avoid having Eliza in the base game is to ''not'' pre-order also pissed off those gamers who want to do just that. The fact that she's getting in, while other characters like Armor King, Lei, Anna and Julia had been cut (to appear later as DLC) was another point of contention.
* "2D style" characters, other than the already aforementioned Eliza, in general also fall into this. Some players feel Akuma and Geese are great additions as guest characters, whereas many others revile them for their "alien" 2D fighter playstyle and insane combo damage potential.
* Lili started to become this due to fans accusing her of ruining Asuka's potential in the main story (given her status as a Kazama) and placing sole emphasis on Lili's petty rivalry with her.
* [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV Noctis Lucis Caelum]] was not safe from this. True, he's accepted by a good part of the fanbase, but he is also heavily derided; some fans considered Noctis as Harada's method of riding the wave of currently popular games such as Final Fantasy XV (this game itself [[BrokenBase being a polarizing entry of its own]] ''[[BrokenBase in its very franchise's fanbase]]'' also doesn't help), or just outright dismissed him as someone who just doesn't belong on Tekken's world. [[note]]This somehow brings into question [[VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters Geese Howard]] as well, as ''The King of Fighters XIV'' has become quite a popular return of the franchise as well. Unlike Noctis, however, Geese is unanimously accepted by the fanbase. It probably helps that the latter is from a fighting game series to begin with.[[/note]]
* Leroy Smith as well, even though he has shifted the opinion of the player base from a positive one (right after his reveal at the Season 3 trailer, with players almost unanimously praising his character design) into a heavily negative one (after he finally appeared as a DLC in game and made evident his "broken" gameplay with many easy-to-use, overpowered moves, causing players to declare him as a "pay2win" DLC).
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