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* With the fan-assisted creation of his concept art during the 5 million stream alone, [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Kaizo Koorumaniru]] was already an incredibly divisive character from the onset, and his long-awaited debut in "DO NOT ENTER" only reignited the divide on him. Some fans like him for his lore ties and dynamic with Saiko, interesting design and find his shameless edgelord personality funny. Others deride him as being far removed from [=SMG4=], both in design and personality, and hate that he continues the trend of new modern additions being anime-inspired humanoids. The fact that a mere couple thousand fans were the ones to help design him during the 5 million stream at a select time through polls didn't make him any less controversial, as much of the blame and praise for the end result went toward them.

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* With the fan-assisted creation of his concept art during the 5 million stream alone, [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Kaizo Koorumaniru]] was already an incredibly divisive character from the onset, and his long-awaited debut in "DO NOT ENTER" only reignited the divide on him. Some fans like him for his lore ties and dynamic with Saiko, interesting design and find his shameless edgelord personality funny. Others deride him as being far removed from [=SMG4=], both in design and personality, and hate that he continues the trend of new modern additions being anime-inspired humanoids. The fact that a mere couple thousand fans were the ones to help design him during the 5 million stream at a select time through polls didn't make him any less controversial, as much of the blame and praise for the end result went toward them. Another issue that arose was how little he was used after the KS-2 mini-arc, with many fans complaining that it's a huge waste of money for fans to donate for his creation, only for the creative team to not do anything substantial with him. Defenders felt like he served his purpose in said mini-arc, but still wished to see more of him.
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* [[ApatheticClerk Karen]]. Supporters like her for her [[PerpetualFrowner miserable]] personality - which makes her relatable to some, her dynamics with characters like Swag, and for her badass action sequences. Detractors hate her for her negative interactions with some characters like Mario and hate how she continues the trend of new female original characters being badass [[ActionGirl Action Girls]].

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* [[ApatheticClerk Karen]]. Supporters like her for her [[PerpetualFrowner miserable]] personality - which makes her relatable to some, her dynamics with characters like Swag, and for her badass action sequences. Detractors hate her for her negative interactions with some characters like Mario Mario, her design being perceived as [[UsefulNotes/FurryFandom furry bait]], and hate how she continues the trend of new female original characters being badass [[ActionGirl Action Girls]].
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* [[EvilDoppelganger SMG3]] became one starting with his reintroduction in the [=YouTube=] arc and his gradual transition afterward into an AntiHero. Some find 3 just as good as ever, feeling his development is one of the better character arcs the series has had and that he's still an entertaining jerk with a capacity for good in a similar vein to Bob. Others feel that 3's change is a direct downgrade from the shameless Doofenshmirtz-esque villain he was in the classic era, with common issues brought up by his detractors being his whiny demeanor, "sexyman" traits and increasing resemblance to his voice actor, James Bailey. His change has caused some in this camp to refer to him as his stream name given in "Video Ends When Everyone Stops Watching", [=PoggieKing3=].

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* [[EvilDoppelganger SMG3]] became one starting with his reintroduction in the [=YouTube=] arc and his gradual transition afterward into an AntiHero. Some find 3 just as good as ever, feeling his development is one of the better character arcs the series has had and that he's still an entertaining [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold jerk with a capacity for good good]] in a similar vein to Bob. Others feel that 3's change is a direct downgrade from the shameless Doofenshmirtz-esque villain he was in the classic era, with common issues brought up by his detractors being his whiny demeanor, "sexyman" traits and increasing resemblance to his voice actor, James Bailey. His change has caused some in this camp to refer to him as his stream name given in "Video Ends When Everyone Stops Watching", [=PoggieKing3=].
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* Mr. Puzzle is seen as either a bright and mesmerizingly disturbing arc villain who lives up to his predecessors with twisted re-imaginings of classic TV shows and movies, or they are an uninspired retread of previous villains with [[DisproportionateRetribution confusingly shallow motivations for wanting to torture the main cast]], although the latter is lessened a bit when "PUZZLEVISION: THE MOVIE" delves into his rather unsettling backstory and specifies him as a RealityWarper who is determined to make a perfect TV series and get 5-stars because doing so will give him complete and utter control of the real world too, as well as choosing the [=SMG4=] crew specifically because he views their web series as being so terrible that being able to turn it into a 5-star series will undoubtedly prove his greatness.

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* [[ThePerfectionist Mr. Puzzle Puzzles]] is seen as either a bright and mesmerizingly disturbing [[ArcVillain arc villain villain]] who lives up to his predecessors with twisted re-imaginings of classic TV shows and movies, or they are an uninspired retread of previous villains with [[DisproportionateRetribution confusingly shallow motivations for wanting to torture the main cast]], although the latter is lessened a bit when "PUZZLEVISION: THE MOVIE" delves into his rather unsettling backstory and specifies him as a RealityWarper who is determined to make a perfect TV series and get 5-stars because doing so will give him complete and utter control of the real world too, as well as choosing the [=SMG4=] crew specifically because he views their web series as being so terrible that being able to turn it into a 5-star series will undoubtedly prove his greatness.
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* [=SMG4=] started becoming divisive once memes became a core part of his personality. Some like 4 for being an OnlySaneMan at times who can play off his crazier co-star very well. Others dislike him for being too hateful toward Mario at times and coming off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic in episodes like "Mario's Spicy Day" and "[=SMG4=]'s Origins". The latter argument is further proven in "[=SMG4=] Doesn't Meme For 1 Second," where the guy is straight up [[WhatTheHellHero laughing uncontrollably at the funeral of Boopkins' aunt]] [[MoralEventHorizon because her body reminded him of a meme he recently looked up online]].

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* [=SMG4=] started becoming divisive once memes became a core part of his personality. Some like 4 him for being an OnlySaneMan at times who can play off his crazier co-star very well. Others dislike him for being too hateful toward Mario at times and coming off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic in episodes like "Mario's Spicy Day" and "[=SMG4=]'s Origins". The latter argument is further proven in "[=SMG4=] Doesn't Meme For 1 Second," where the guy is straight up [[WhatTheHellHero laughing uncontrollably at the funeral of Boopkins' aunt]] [[MoralEventHorizon because her body reminded him of a meme he recently looked up online]].
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* [=SMG4=] started becoming divisive once memes became a core part of his personality. Some like 4 for being an OnlySaneMan at times who can play off his crazier co-star very well. Others dislike him for being too hateful toward Mario at times and coming off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic in episodes like "Mario's Spicy Day" and "[=SMG4=]'s Origins".
* Princess Peach became this as her {{flanderization}} kicked into high gear. She's either loved for being the perfect OnlySaneMan to Mario's antics, kickstarting many good plots such as "Hotel Mario" and "Mario's Spageti Delivary", having... an interesting relationship with Bowser, and keeping the series faithful to the source material. Others dislike her for being too flat of a character and bitchy towards everyone [[{{Flanderization}} since around 2020]] and only showing up to scream while acting like a stereotypical Karen.

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* [=SMG4=] started becoming divisive once memes became a core part of his personality. Some like 4 for being an OnlySaneMan at times who can play off his crazier co-star very well. Others dislike him for being too hateful toward Mario at times and coming off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic in episodes like "Mario's Spicy Day" and "[=SMG4=]'s Origins".
Origins". The latter argument is further proven in "[=SMG4=] Doesn't Meme For 1 Second," where the guy is straight up [[WhatTheHellHero laughing uncontrollably at the funeral of Boopkins' aunt]] [[MoralEventHorizon because her body reminded him of a meme he recently looked up online]].
* Princess Peach became this as her {{flanderization}} kicked into high gear. She's either loved for being the perfect OnlySaneMan to Mario's antics, kickstarting many good plots such as "Hotel Mario" and "Mario's Spageti Delivary", Delivery", having... an interesting relationship with Bowser, and keeping the series faithful to the source material. Others dislike her for being too flat of a character and bitchy towards everyone [[{{Flanderization}} since around 2020]] and only showing up to scream while acting like a stereotypical Karen.
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* Mr. Puzzle is seen as either a bright and mesmerizingly disturbing arc villain who lives up to his predecessors with twisted re-imaginings of classic TV shows and movies, or they are an uninspired retread of previous villains with [[DisproportionateRetribution confusingly shallow motivations for wanting to torture the main cast]], although the latter is lessened a bit when "PUZZLEVISION: THE MOVIE" delves into his rather unsettling backstory and specifies him as a RealityWarper who's determined to make a perfect tv series and get 5-stars because doing so will give him complete and utter control of the real world too, and we'll as choosing the SMG4 crew specifically because he views their web series as being so terrible that being able to turn it into a 5-star series will undoubtedly prove his greatness.

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* Mr. Puzzle is seen as either a bright and mesmerizingly disturbing arc villain who lives up to his predecessors with twisted re-imaginings of classic TV shows and movies, or they are an uninspired retread of previous villains with [[DisproportionateRetribution confusingly shallow motivations for wanting to torture the main cast]], although the latter is lessened a bit when "PUZZLEVISION: THE MOVIE" delves into his rather unsettling backstory and specifies him as a RealityWarper who's who is determined to make a perfect tv TV series and get 5-stars because doing so will give him complete and utter control of the real world too, and we'll as well as choosing the SMG4 [=SMG4=] crew specifically because he views their web series as being so terrible that being able to turn it into a 5-star series will undoubtedly prove his greatness.
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* Mr. Puzzle is seen as either a bright and mesmerizingly disturbing arc villain who lives up to his predecessors with twisted re-imaginings of classic TV shows and movies, or they are an uninspired retread of previous villains with [[DisproportionateRetribution confusingly shallow motivations for wanting to torture the main cast]], although the latter is lessened a bit when "PUZZLEVISION: THE MOVIE" delves into his rather unsettling backstory and specifies him as a RealiyWarper who's determined to make a perfect tv series and get 5-stars because doing so will give him complete and utter control of the real world too, and we'll as choosing the SMG4 crew specifically because he views their web series as being so terrible that being able to turn it into a 5-star series will undoubtedly prove his greatness.

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* Mr. Puzzle is seen as either a bright and mesmerizingly disturbing arc villain who lives up to his predecessors with twisted re-imaginings of classic TV shows and movies, or they are an uninspired retread of previous villains with [[DisproportionateRetribution confusingly shallow motivations for wanting to torture the main cast]], although the latter is lessened a bit when "PUZZLEVISION: THE MOVIE" delves into his rather unsettling backstory and specifies him as a RealiyWarper RealityWarper who's determined to make a perfect tv series and get 5-stars because doing so will give him complete and utter control of the real world too, and we'll as choosing the SMG4 crew specifically because he views their web series as being so terrible that being able to turn it into a 5-star series will undoubtedly prove his greatness.
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* Mr. Puzzle is seen as either a bright and mesmerizingly disturbing arc villain who lives up to his predecessors with twisted re-imaginings of classic TV shows and movies, or they are an uninspired retread of previous villains with [[DisproportionateRetribution confusingly shallow motivations for wanting to torture the main cast]].

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* Mr. Puzzle is seen as either a bright and mesmerizingly disturbing arc villain who lives up to his predecessors with twisted re-imaginings of classic TV shows and movies, or they are an uninspired retread of previous villains with [[DisproportionateRetribution confusingly shallow motivations for wanting to torture the main cast]].cast]], although the latter is lessened a bit when "PUZZLEVISION: THE MOVIE" delves into his rather unsettling backstory and specifies him as a RealiyWarper who's determined to make a perfect tv series and get 5-stars because doing so will give him complete and utter control of the real world too, and we'll as choosing the SMG4 crew specifically because he views their web series as being so terrible that being able to turn it into a 5-star series will undoubtedly prove his greatness.
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* [[ApatheticClerk Karen]]. Supporters like her for [[PerpetualFrowner miserable]] personality - which makes her relatable to some, her dynamics with characters like Swag, and for her badass action sequences. Detractors hate her for her negative interactions with some characters like Mario and hate how she continues the trend of new female original characters being badass [[ActionGirl Action Girls]].

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* [[ApatheticClerk Karen]]. Supporters like her for her [[PerpetualFrowner miserable]] personality - which makes her relatable to some, her dynamics with characters like Swag, and for her badass action sequences. Detractors hate her for her negative interactions with some characters like Mario and hate how she continues the trend of new female original characters being badass [[ActionGirl Action Girls]].
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* [[ApatheticClerks Karen]]. Supporters like her for [[PerpetualFrowner miserable]] personality - which makes her relatable to some, her dynamics with characters like Swag, and for her badass action sequences. Detractors hate her for her negative interactions with some characters like Mario and hate how she continues the trend of new female original characters being badass [[ActionGirl Action Girls]].

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* [[ApatheticClerks [[ApatheticClerk Karen]]. Supporters like her for [[PerpetualFrowner miserable]] personality - which makes her relatable to some, her dynamics with characters like Swag, and for her badass action sequences. Detractors hate her for her negative interactions with some characters like Mario and hate how she continues the trend of new female original characters being badass [[ActionGirl Action Girls]].
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* [[ApatheticClerks Karen]]. Supporters like her for [[PerpetualFrowner miserable]] personality - which makes her relatable to some, her dynamics with characters like Swag, and for her badass action sequences. Detractors hate her for her negative interactions with some characters like Mario and hate how she continues the trend of new female original characters being badass [[ActionGirl Action Girls]].
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* [=SMG4=] started becoming divisive once memes became a core part of his personality. Some like 4 for being an OnlySaneMan at times who can play off his crazier co-star very well. Others dislike him for being too hateful toward Mario at times and coming off as UnintentionallySympathetic in episodes like "Mario's Spicy Day" and "[=SMG4=]'s Origins".

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* [=SMG4=] started becoming divisive once memes became a core part of his personality. Some like 4 for being an OnlySaneMan at times who can play off his crazier co-star very well. Others dislike him for being too hateful toward Mario at times and coming off as UnintentionallySympathetic UnintentionallyUnsympathetic in episodes like "Mario's Spicy Day" and "[=SMG4=]'s Origins".
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Some have noted that Meggy is at her worst character-wise in episodes where her education is involved, being quick to snap at just about everyone, mostly Mario. This could have been justified in the dialogue as her being stressed out since tertiary schooling IS stressful, but it never was.\\\
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While [=SMG4=]'s fanbase mostly find his cast of characters funny and charming, there are a few who are pretty divisive among fans.

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While [=SMG4=]'s fanbase mostly find his cast of characters funny and charming, there are a few who are pretty divisive among fans.amongst fans. This includes almost the entirety of the Main Cast, [[UnpleasableFanbase so keep grains of salt handy]].

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The Anime arc would mark the beginning of a drastic change in her character, starting with her reveal as a BrokenAce and her subsequent CharacterDevelopment, culminating in her becoming a complete OC through [[HumanityEnsues her human transformation and voice]], splitting her reception even further. Those that like "Human Meggy" praise her newfound character depth, development and more relatable characterization. Others deride her UnintentionalUncannyValley redesign, her CharacterArc continuing long after ArcFatigue set in for it, her much more explicit favoritism, her more volatile personality (with her interactions with Mario being a common talking point) and her perceived {{Wangst}} behavior. Some in this camp, particularly former fans of her as an Inkling, feel her development removed lot of what made Meggy so well-liked in the first place (her OddFriendship with Mario as his MoralityPet, her spunky NiceGirl nature, her general [[ActionGirl badassery]], nearly all of her ties to ''Splatoon'' outside of plot-relevant moments, etc.), claiming Meggy [[InNameOnly barely resembles]] the character that was once an EnsembleDarkhorse and that all her changes have marked a general downgrade in her character that she has yet to recover from.\\\
For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that. Their main rigger Paul ([=MediExcaliur2012=]), however, DID speak at length about Meggy [[https://youtu.be/zLkvDjmWz4E here]] in December 2022, doing a deep dive into ''why'' her base is broken. Many episodes he worked on starting in mid-2022 explicitly try to invoke CharacterRerailment. Fan reaction tends to be very positive whenever he does this. The writers, though, haven't quite gotten the memo, so DependingOnTheWriter comes into play – this is how Meggy can flip from her "classic" personality ("Mario Reacts to Nintendo Memes 11 ft. Meggy") in episodes he has wide latitude on, to her less popular "modern" one ("All I Want For Christmas Is For Mario To FREAKIN' BEHAVE") in episodes he doesn't, mere days apart.
* [[CuteAndPsycho Saiko]] [[PunnyName Bichitaru]] was originally praised for her surprisingly emotional debut episode, but her expanded character depth, CharacterDevelopment, and eventual promotion to the main cast led to fan opinion becoming divided on her. Many praised her for her competency as a female villain and enjoyed her subsequent development, badass action scenes, and budding friendship with the main cast. Others don't like her for generally being the most aggressive character in the main cast, her CuteButCacophonic voice clips coming off as annoying at times, her UnintentionalUncannyValley [[NonStandardCharacterDesign design]] (which, while working for her debut episode, worked less when she pulled a HeelFaceTurn and became a major character) and sharing the notorious SpotlightStealingSquad reputation of her fellow female main cast members.
* [[GamerChick Tari]] was this right out of her debut episode. Some like her for being the nicest character in the cast alongside Luigi, having many unique traits (her introverted nature, cyborg gamer abilities, being a female who is subjected to constant slapstick), and having a somewhat stable relationship with Mario. Others feel her characterization as a gamer girl is too generic, hate that she becomes a SpotlightStealingSquad at certain points, feel her relevance largely diminished after the Waluigi Arc and claim her whole character is essentially just ProductPlacement for ''WebAnimation/MetaRunner''. Then there are others who liked her for her unique traits and lament that she was [[{{Flanderization}} gradually reduced]] to being simply a NiceGirl (outside of whenever her arm is used as a PlotDevice), feeling she became too generic.

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The Anime arc would mark the beginning of a drastic change in her character, starting with her reveal as a BrokenAce and her subsequent CharacterDevelopment, culminating in her becoming a complete OC through [[HumanityEnsues her human transformation and voice]], splitting her reception even further. Those that like "Human Meggy" praise her newfound character depth, development development, and more relatable characterization. Others deride her UnintentionalUncannyValley redesign, design (her 2023 redesign was mostly praised, though), her CharacterArc continuing long after ArcFatigue set in for it, her much more explicit favoritism, her more volatile personality (with her interactions with Mario being a common talking point) point), and her perceived {{Wangst}} behavior. Some in this camp, particularly former fans of her as an Inkling, feel her development removed a lot of what made Meggy so well-liked in the first place (her OddFriendship with Mario as his MoralityPet, her spunky NiceGirl nature, her general [[ActionGirl badassery]], nearly all of her ties to ''Splatoon'' outside of plot-relevant moments, etc.), claiming Meggy [[InNameOnly barely resembles]] the character that was once an EnsembleDarkhorse and that all her changes have marked a general downgrade in her character that she has yet to recover from.\\\
Some have noted that Meggy is at her worst character-wise in episodes where her education is involved, being quick to snap at just about everyone, mostly Mario. This could have been justified in the dialogue as her being stressed out since tertiary schooling IS stressful, but it never was.\\\
For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that. Their main rigger Paul ([=MediExcaliur2012=]), Stylianou (better known as [=MediExcaliur2012=]), however, DID speak at length about Meggy [[https://youtu.be/zLkvDjmWz4E here]] in December 2022, doing a deep dive into ''why'' her base is broken. Many episodes he worked on starting in mid-2022 May 2022 explicitly try to invoke CharacterRerailment. Fan reaction tends to be very positive whenever he does this. The writers, though, haven't quite gotten the memo, so DependingOnTheWriter comes into play – this is how Meggy can flip from her "classic" personality ("Mario Reacts to Nintendo Memes 11 ft. Meggy") in episodes he has wide latitude on, to her less popular "modern" one ("All I Want For Christmas Is For Mario To FREAKIN' BEHAVE") in episodes he doesn't, mere days apart.
* [[CuteAndPsycho Saiko]] [[PunnyName Bichitaru]] was originally praised for her surprisingly emotional debut episode, but her expanded character depth, CharacterDevelopment, and eventual promotion to the main cast led to fan opinion becoming divided on her. Many praised her for her competency as a female villain and enjoyed her subsequent development, badass action scenes, and budding friendship with the main cast. Others don't like her for generally being the most aggressive character in the main cast, her CuteButCacophonic voice clips coming off as annoying at times, her UnintentionalUncannyValley [[NonStandardCharacterDesign design]] (which, while working for her debut episode, worked less when she pulled a HeelFaceTurn and became a major character) character – this design was rectified in mid-2022) and sharing the notorious SpotlightStealingSquad reputation of her fellow female main cast members.
* [[GamerChick Tari]] was this right out of her debut episode. Some like her for being the nicest character in the cast alongside Luigi, having many unique traits (her introverted nature, cyborg gamer abilities, being a female who is subjected to constant slapstick), and having a somewhat stable relationship with Mario. Others feel her characterization as a gamer girl is too generic, hate that she becomes a SpotlightStealingSquad at certain points, feel her relevance largely diminished after the Waluigi Arc and claim her whole character is essentially just ProductPlacement for ''WebAnimation/MetaRunner''. Then there are others who liked her for her unique traits and lament that she was [[{{Flanderization}} gradually reduced]] to being simply a NiceGirl (outside of whenever her arm is used as a PlotDevice), feeling she became too generic.generic – her dialogue consisting almost entirely of VoiceGrunting (except in special episodes/arcs) doesn't help this perception.



* [[EvilDoppelganger SMG3]] became one starting with his reintroduction in the [=YouTube=] arc and his gradual transition afterward into an AntiHero. Some find 3 just as good as ever, feeling his development is one of the better character arcs the series has had and that he's still an entertaining jerk with a capacity for good in a similar vein to Bob. Others feel that 3's change is a direct downgrade from the shameless Doofensmirtz-esque villain he was in the classic era, with common issues brought up by his detractors being his whiny demeanor, "sexyman" traits and increasing resemblance to his voice actor, James Bailey. His change has caused some in this camp to refer to him as his stream name given in "Video Ends When Everyone Stops Watching", [=PoggieKing3=].

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* [[EvilDoppelganger SMG3]] became one starting with his reintroduction in the [=YouTube=] arc and his gradual transition afterward into an AntiHero. Some find 3 just as good as ever, feeling his development is one of the better character arcs the series has had and that he's still an entertaining jerk with a capacity for good in a similar vein to Bob. Others feel that 3's change is a direct downgrade from the shameless Doofensmirtz-esque Doofenshmirtz-esque villain he was in the classic era, with common issues brought up by his detractors being his whiny demeanor, "sexyman" traits and increasing resemblance to his voice actor, James Bailey. His change has caused some in this camp to refer to him as his stream name given in "Video Ends When Everyone Stops Watching", [=PoggieKing3=].



* Francis. Many love this interpretation of the character for being LaughablyEvil in a similar vein to Waluigi during his arc and proving himself to be a very creepy and effective threat. Others dislike him and feel that like Desti, he became overrated in the fanbase thanks to his role in the Anime arc.
* Hal Monitor, who debuted in "Mario School Club". He has some fans for his ImplacableMan tendencies and some BigDamnHeroes moments, but others find him to be a [[ReplacementScrappy much less interesting version]] of the [=SM64=]-styled police who used to fill the role of stopping Mario and the others from doing illegal activities. There are also others that don't mind him replacing the [=SM64=]-styled police, but find that the other joke of his character -- a character with a SyntheticVoiceActor much like Bob, Chris and Swagmaster -- was played out from his debut episode and he's not as unique as those characters are.
* Whimpu, once an EnsembleDarkhorse in his debut, became this as his personality was fleshed out. Supporters like him for his nerdy nature and simplistic ''VideoGame/{{Mother}}''-esque design compared to Saiko's [[UnintentionalUncannyValley design]]. Detractors feel that he is nothing more than a bland simp, which makes him unfunny and cringey, and that his love for weeb stuff makes him almost like a second Boopkins. A third group confesses he was good in his debut when his "wimp" qualities were more prevalent and lament that he was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn quickly solidified]] into a simp character instead.

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* Francis. Many love this interpretation of the character for being LaughablyEvil in a similar vein to Waluigi during his arc and proving himself to be a very creepy and effective threat. Others dislike him and feel that that, like Desti, he became overrated in the fanbase thanks to his role in the Anime arc.
arc. Still others, mostly ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' fans, hate how different [=SMG4's=] version of Francis is from his canon personality, where he was still a nerdy antagonist, but not a genocidal maniac. Understandably, they get upset if [=SMG4=] fans comment on SPM videos.
* Hal Monitor, who debuted in "Mario School Club". He has some fans for his ImplacableMan tendencies and some BigDamnHeroes moments, but others find him to be a [[ReplacementScrappy much less interesting version]] of the [=SM64=]-styled police who used to fill the role of stopping Mario and the others from doing illegal activities. There are also others that don't mind him replacing the [=SM64=]-styled police, but find that the other joke of his character -- a character with a SyntheticVoiceActor much like Bob, Chris Chris, and Swagmaster -- was played out from his debut episode and he's not as unique as those characters are.
* Whimpu, once an EnsembleDarkhorse in his debut, became this as his personality was fleshed out. Supporters like him for his nerdy nature and simplistic ''VideoGame/{{Mother}}''-esque design compared to Saiko's [[UnintentionalUncannyValley 2018 design]]. Detractors feel that he is nothing more than a bland simp, which makes him unfunny and cringey, and that his love for weeb stuff makes him almost like a second Boopkins. A third group confesses he was good in his debut when his "wimp" qualities were more prevalent and lament that he was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn quickly solidified]] into a simp character instead.
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* Mario started becoming this by 2019. While many continue to find [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist his insane, stupid and sociopathic behavior]] funny, some have started to grow tired of these very traits, especially after his development during the Waluigi arc and Meggy's status as his MoralityPet were both heavily downplayed. Modern episodes with Mario at his worst like "Mario Gets Into [=NFTs=]" and "DO NOT ENTER" are common points of contention, with debates breaking out over whether Mario is too unsympathetic and deserves what's coming to him or if it's DisproportionateRetribution. His [[DependingOnTheWriter wildly inconsistent personality]], especially since 2022, has not helped. Some have come to dislike how Mario is handled in a meta sense, feeling the series has become simultaneously dependent on him for viewership, yet seemingly wants to move away from him, with the clickbait thumbnails and video titles despite [[AdvertisedExtra the minimal role]] he plays in such episodes being the most vocal criticism.

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* Mario started becoming this by 2019. While many continue to find [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist his insane, stupid and sociopathic behavior]] funny, some have started to grow tired of these very traits, especially after his development during the Waluigi arc and Meggy's status as his MoralityPet were both heavily downplayed. Modern episodes with Mario at his worst like "Mario Gets Into [=NFTs=]" and "DO NOT ENTER" are common points of contention, with debates breaking out over whether Mario is too unsympathetic and deserves what's coming to him or if it's DisproportionateRetribution. His [[DependingOnTheWriter wildly inconsistent personality]], especially since 2022, has not helped.been brought up multiple times as well. Some have come to dislike how Mario is handled in a meta sense, feeling the series has become simultaneously dependent on him for viewership, yet seemingly wants to move away from him, with the clickbait thumbnails and video titles despite [[AdvertisedExtra the minimal role]] he plays in such episodes being the most vocal criticism. Not helping matters either is despite him seemingly having learned to care about and appreciate his friends more during the finale of an arc, it's not uncommon for his personality to "reset" and go right back to his {{Jerkass}} tendencies a few episodes later, as if his character development never even happened.

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* Mario himself started becoming this by 2019. While many continue to find [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist his insane, stupid and sociopathic behavior]] funny, some have started to grow tired of these very traits, especially after his development during the Waluigi arc and Meggy's status as his MoralityPet were both heavily downplayed. Modern episodes with Mario at his worst like "Mario Gets Into [=NFTs=]" and "DO NOT ENTER" are common points of contention, with debates breaking out over whether Mario is too unsympathetic and deserves what's coming to him or if it's DisproportionateRetribution. His [[DependingOnTheWriter wildly inconsistent personality]], especially during 2022, has not helped. Some have come to dislike how Mario is handled in a meta sense, feeling the series has become simultaneously dependent on him for viewership, yet seemingly wants to move away from him, with the clickbait thumbnails and video titles despite [[AdvertisedExtra the minimal role]] he plays in such episodes being the most vocal criticism.
* Princess Peach became this as her {{flanderization}} kicked into high gear. She's either loved for being the perfect OnlySaneMan to Mario's antics, kickstarting many good plots such as "Hotel Mario" and "Mario's Spageti Delivary", having... an interesting relationship with Bowser, and keeping the series faithful to the source material. Others dislike her for being too bitchy towards everyone [[{{Flanderization}} in later videos]] and only showing up to use the same screaming voice clip while acting like a stereotypical Karen. Not helping is that nearly every appearance she's made since 2020 portrays her this way.

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* Mario himself started becoming this by 2019. While many continue to find [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist his insane, stupid and sociopathic behavior]] funny, some have started to grow tired of these very traits, especially after his development during the Waluigi arc and Meggy's status as his MoralityPet were both heavily downplayed. Modern episodes with Mario at his worst like "Mario Gets Into [=NFTs=]" and "DO NOT ENTER" are common points of contention, with debates breaking out over whether Mario is too unsympathetic and deserves what's coming to him or if it's DisproportionateRetribution. His [[DependingOnTheWriter wildly inconsistent personality]], especially during since 2022, has not helped. Some have come to dislike how Mario is handled in a meta sense, feeling the series has become simultaneously dependent on him for viewership, yet seemingly wants to move away from him, with the clickbait thumbnails and video titles despite [[AdvertisedExtra the minimal role]] he plays in such episodes being the most vocal criticism.
* [=SMG4=] started becoming divisive once memes became a core part of his personality. Some like 4 for being an OnlySaneMan at times who can play off his crazier co-star very well. Others dislike him for being too hateful toward Mario at times and coming off as UnintentionallySympathetic in episodes like "Mario's Spicy Day" and "[=SMG4=]'s Origins".
* Princess Peach became this as her {{flanderization}} kicked into high gear. She's either loved for being the perfect OnlySaneMan to Mario's antics, kickstarting many good plots such as "Hotel Mario" and "Mario's Spageti Delivary", having... an interesting relationship with Bowser, and keeping the series faithful to the source material. Others dislike her for being too flat of a character and bitchy towards everyone [[{{Flanderization}} in later videos]] since around 2020]] and only showing up to use the same screaming voice clip scream while acting like a stereotypical Karen. Not helping is that nearly every appearance she's made since 2020 portrays her this way.Karen.



For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that. Their main rigger Paul ([=MediExcaliur2012=]), however, DID speak at length about Meggy [[https://youtu.be/zLkvDjmWz4E here]] in December 2022, doing a deep dive into ''why'' her base is broken. Many episodes he worked on starting in mid-2022 explicitly try to invoke CharacterRerailment. Fan reaction tends to be very positive whenever he does this. The writers, though, haven't quite gotten the memo, so DependingOnTheWriter comes into play – this is how Meggy can flip from her "classic" personality ("Mario Reacts to Nintendo Memes 11 ft. Meggy") in episodes he has wide latitude on, to her less popular "modern" one ("All I Want For Christmas Is For Mario To FREAKIN' BEHAVE") in episodes he didn't, mere days apart.

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For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that. Their main rigger Paul ([=MediExcaliur2012=]), however, DID speak at length about Meggy [[https://youtu.be/zLkvDjmWz4E here]] in December 2022, doing a deep dive into ''why'' her base is broken. Many episodes he worked on starting in mid-2022 explicitly try to invoke CharacterRerailment. Fan reaction tends to be very positive whenever he does this. The writers, though, haven't quite gotten the memo, so DependingOnTheWriter comes into play – this is how Meggy can flip from her "classic" personality ("Mario Reacts to Nintendo Memes 11 ft. Meggy") in episodes he has wide latitude on, to her less popular "modern" one ("All I Want For Christmas Is For Mario To FREAKIN' BEHAVE") in episodes he didn't, doesn't, mere days apart.



* Melony saw a meteoric rise in popularity unseen since Meggy (which is funny considering [[{{Foil}} what she started out as]]), especially once she became human, and ultimately became [[BreakoutCharacter the only Anti-Cast member to become a mainstay]]. However, just like with Meggy, she rapidly became divisive because of her perceived favoritism by the creators and the writing decisions made with her. By the end of the Genesis arc, she became the 2nd most divisive character after Meggy. Supporters love her childish personality, her dynamic with Axol, her creative design, her unique powers that tie into ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' lore and her development during the Cosmology Saga. Detractors claim she's nothing more than waifu bait, don't like how she's yet ''another'' animesque tomboyish OC in a main cast already full of them (something that is even {{lampshaded}} by Mario), dislike her perceived influence on the direction Axol's character was taken in (especially [[spoiler:his death]]) and believe the crew are trying to recreate Meggy's popularity with her, making [[HistoryRepeats the exact same writing mistakes]] with her that turned Meggy from an EnsembleDarkhorse to the massive BaseBreakingCharacter she is today. A sub-debate exists in whether or not she was better as an ambiguously sentient watermelon, with some claiming becoming human made her a better, more fleshed-out character while others felt a lot of her jokes as a melon were clever and that her transformation ruined a perfectly good CompanionCube JokeCharacter a la [[WesternAnimation/EdEddnEddy Plank]] or [[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb Planty the Potted Plant]].

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* Melony saw a meteoric rise in popularity unseen since Meggy (which is funny considering [[{{Foil}} what she started out as]]), especially once she became human, and ultimately became [[BreakoutCharacter the only Anti-Cast member to become a mainstay]]. However, just like with Meggy, she rapidly became divisive because of her perceived favoritism by the creators and the writing decisions made with her. By the end of the Genesis arc, she became the 2nd most divisive character after Meggy. Supporters love her childish personality, her dynamic dynamics with Axol, Axol and Bob, her creative design, her unique powers that tie into ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' lore and her development during the Cosmology Saga. Detractors claim she's nothing more than waifu bait, don't like how she's yet ''another'' animesque tomboyish OC in a main cast already full of them (something that is even {{lampshaded}} by Mario), dislike her perceived influence on the direction Axol's character was taken in (especially [[spoiler:his death]]) and believe the crew are trying to recreate Meggy's popularity with her, making [[HistoryRepeats the exact same writing mistakes]] with her that turned Meggy from an EnsembleDarkhorse to the massive BaseBreakingCharacter she is today. A sub-debate exists in whether or not she was better as an ambiguously sentient watermelon, with some claiming becoming human made her a better, more fleshed-out character while others felt a lot of her jokes as a melon were clever and that her transformation ruined a perfectly good CompanionCube JokeCharacter a la [[WesternAnimation/EdEddnEddy Plank]] or [[WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb Planty the Potted Plant]].



* [[EvilDoppelganger SMG3]] became one starting with his reintroduction in the [=YouTube=] arc and his gradual transition afterward into an AntiHero. Some find 3 just as good as ever, feeling his development is one of the better character arcs the series has had and that he's still an entertaining jerk with a capacity for good in a similar vein to Bob. Others feel that 3's change is a direct downgrade from the shameless Doofensmirtz-esque villain he was in the classic era, with common issues brought up by his detractors being his whiny demeanor, "sexyman" traits and increasing resemblance to his voice actor, James Bailey. His change has caused some in this camp to refer to him as his stream name given in "Video Ends When Everyone Stops Watching", [=PoggieKing3=].



* [[EldritchAbomination Zero]]. Many will call him one of the best antagonists the series has ever had for playing a big role in shaping the series history, managing to stay consistent as a threat and having nightmarishly awesome designs. Others feel his motivations are too generic and barebones, deem him too dark of a character for [=SMG4=] and hate him for being the main crux behind [[spoiler:Axol getting killed off]]. [[spoiler:His return from seeming death and reveal as [[FallenHero Niles]] during the Revelations arc made him even more so. Those that already liked him were excited he returned and felt his plan to posses Melony going off without a hitch only further cemented his place as [=SMG4=]'s best villain. Those that hated him claimed his survival made Axol's already divisive death not only hypocritical meta-wise, but completely senseless to boot. A third, smaller group feel that Niles had potential as his own character, or even one simply related to Zero, claiming him being Zero wasted a potentially interesting character archetype for Melony to create a dynamic with after having already lost her prior one with Axol; a dick, but [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold one that wasn't entirely malicious]]. Him getting KilledOffForReal in the finale only cemented him as this, with some believing he became another victim of [=SMG4=] wasting interesting characters through killing them off while others felt it was for the best as he had nothing left to offer in the series and left a good enough legacy as is.]]

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* [[EldritchAbomination Zero]]. Many will call him one of the best antagonists the series has ever had for playing a big role in shaping the series history, managing to stay consistent as a threat and having nightmarishly awesome designs. Others feel his motivations are too generic and barebones, deem him too dark of a character for [=SMG4=] and hate him for being the main crux behind [[spoiler:Axol getting killed off]]. [[spoiler:His return from seeming death and reveal as [[FallenHero Niles]] during the Revelations arc made him even more so. Those that already liked him were excited he returned and felt his plan to posses Melony going off without a hitch only further cemented his place as [=SMG4=]'s best villain. Those that hated him claimed his survival made Axol's already divisive death not only hypocritical meta-wise, but completely senseless to boot. A third, smaller group feel that Niles had potential as his own character, or even one simply related to Zero, claiming him being Zero wasted a potentially interesting character archetype for Melony to create a dynamic with after having already lost her prior one with Axol; a dick, but [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold one that wasn't entirely malicious]]. Him getting Getting KilledOffForReal in the finale only cemented him as this, with some believing he became another victim of [=SMG4=] wasting interesting characters through killing them off while others felt it was for the best as he had nothing left more to offer in the series and left a good enough legacy as is.]]
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* [[GamerChick Tari]] was this right out of her debut episode. Some like her for being the nicest character in the cast alongside Luigi, having many unique traits (her introverted nature, cyborg gamer abilities, being [[SlapstickKnowsNoGender a female who is subjected to constant slapstick]]), and having a somewhat stable relationship with Mario. Others feel her characterization as a gamer girl is too generic, hate that she becomes a SpotlightStealingSquad at certain points, feel her relevance largely diminished after the Waluigi Arc and claim her whole character is essentially just ProductPlacement for ''WebAnimation/MetaRunner''. Then there are others who liked her for her unique traits and lament that she was [[{{Flanderization}} gradually reduced]] to being simply a NiceGirl (outside of whenever her arm is used as a PlotDevice), feeling she became too generic.

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* [[GamerChick Tari]] was this right out of her debut episode. Some like her for being the nicest character in the cast alongside Luigi, having many unique traits (her introverted nature, cyborg gamer abilities, being [[SlapstickKnowsNoGender a female who is subjected to constant slapstick]]), slapstick), and having a somewhat stable relationship with Mario. Others feel her characterization as a gamer girl is too generic, hate that she becomes a SpotlightStealingSquad at certain points, feel her relevance largely diminished after the Waluigi Arc and claim her whole character is essentially just ProductPlacement for ''WebAnimation/MetaRunner''. Then there are others who liked her for her unique traits and lament that she was [[{{Flanderization}} gradually reduced]] to being simply a NiceGirl (outside of whenever her arm is used as a PlotDevice), feeling she became too generic.
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For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that. Their main editor Paul ([=MediExcaliur2012=]), however, DID speak at length about Meggy [[https://youtu.be/zLkvDjmWz4E here]] in December 2022, doing a deep dive into ''why'' her base is broken. Many episodes he worked on starting in mid-2022 explicitly try to invoke CharacterRerailment. Fan reaction tends to be very positive whenever he does this. The writers, though, evidently haven't gotten the memo, so DependingOnTheWriter comes into play – this is how Meggy can flip from her "classic" personality ("Mario Reacts to Nintendo Memes 11 ft. Meggy") in episodes he has wide latitude on, to her less popular "modern" one ("All I Want For Christmas Is For Mario To FREAKIN' BEHAVE") in episodes he didn't, mere days apart.

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For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that. Their main editor rigger Paul ([=MediExcaliur2012=]), however, DID speak at length about Meggy [[https://youtu.be/zLkvDjmWz4E here]] in December 2022, doing a deep dive into ''why'' her base is broken. Many episodes he worked on starting in mid-2022 explicitly try to invoke CharacterRerailment. Fan reaction tends to be very positive whenever he does this. The writers, though, evidently haven't quite gotten the memo, so DependingOnTheWriter comes into play – this is how Meggy can flip from her "classic" personality ("Mario Reacts to Nintendo Memes 11 ft. Meggy") in episodes he has wide latitude on, to her less popular "modern" one ("All I Want For Christmas Is For Mario To FREAKIN' BEHAVE") in episodes he didn't, mere days apart.

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* [[ActionGirl Meggy Spletzer]] is the biggest example, often being compared to [[WebVideo/SuperMarioLogan Jeffy]] in terms of fan reception, exposure, favoritism and how she has affected the series direction, for better or worse. Originally near-universally popular when she debuted in 2017, her fanbase slowly divided with time, especially once she was promoted to the main cast. Some liked her for being an [[CuteMonsterGirl adorable]] [[ActionGirl badass]] [[TheGunslinger sharpshooter]] who was arguably [[SociopathicHero Mario's]] MoralityPet (to the point of shipping them), as well as being a NiceGirl and OnlySaneWoman among a cast of questionable intelligence, and found her [[AffirmativeActionGirl competence]] refreshing compared to the other female characters before her. Others saw her as a [[SpotlightStealingSquad spotlight stealer]] lacking any sort of humorous quirks or faults to fit in the series (with the [[InformedFlaw "faults"]] she does have [[{{Adorkable}} only making her more quirky]]), having [[FlatCharacter very little personality]] aside from doing cool stuff and being nice, and having a [[HypeBacklash notoriously rabid fanbase]]. The Anime arc would mark the beginning of a drastic change in her character, starting with her reveal as a BrokenAce and her subsequent CharacterDevelopment, culminating in her becoming a complete OC through [[HumanityEnsues her human transformation and voice]], splitting her reception even further. Those that like "Human Meggy" praise her newfound character depth, development and more relatable characterization. Others deride her UnintentionalUncannyValley redesign, her CharacterArc continuing long after ArcFatigue set in for it, her much more explicit favoritism, her more volatile personality (with her interactions with Mario being a common talking point) and her perceived {{Wangst}} behavior. Some in this camp, particularly former fans of her as an Inkling, feel her development removed lot of what made Meggy so well-liked in the first place (her OddFriendship with Mario as his MoralityPet, her spunky NiceGirl nature, her general [[ActionGirl badassery]], nearly all of her ties to ''Splatoon'' outside of plot-relevant moments, etc.), claiming Meggy [[InNameOnly barely resembles]] the character that was once an EnsembleDarkhorse and that all her changes have marked a general downgrade in her character that she has never recovered from. For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that.

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* [[ActionGirl Meggy Spletzer]] is the biggest example, often being compared to [[WebVideo/SuperMarioLogan Jeffy]] in terms of fan reception, exposure, favoritism and how she has affected the series direction, for better or worse. Originally near-universally popular when she debuted in 2017, her fanbase slowly divided with time, especially once she was promoted to the main cast. Some liked her for being an [[CuteMonsterGirl adorable]] [[ActionGirl badass]] [[TheGunslinger sharpshooter]] who was arguably [[SociopathicHero Mario's]] MoralityPet (to the point of shipping them), as well as being a NiceGirl and OnlySaneWoman among a cast of questionable intelligence, and found her [[AffirmativeActionGirl competence]] refreshing compared to the other female characters before her. Others saw her as a [[SpotlightStealingSquad spotlight stealer]] lacking any sort of humorous quirks or faults to fit in the series (with the [[InformedFlaw "faults"]] she does have [[{{Adorkable}} only making her more quirky]]), having [[FlatCharacter very little personality]] aside from doing cool stuff and being nice, and having a [[HypeBacklash notoriously rabid fanbase]]. \\\
The Anime arc would mark the beginning of a drastic change in her character, starting with her reveal as a BrokenAce and her subsequent CharacterDevelopment, culminating in her becoming a complete OC through [[HumanityEnsues her human transformation and voice]], splitting her reception even further. Those that like "Human Meggy" praise her newfound character depth, development and more relatable characterization. Others deride her UnintentionalUncannyValley redesign, her CharacterArc continuing long after ArcFatigue set in for it, her much more explicit favoritism, her more volatile personality (with her interactions with Mario being a common talking point) and her perceived {{Wangst}} behavior. Some in this camp, particularly former fans of her as an Inkling, feel her development removed lot of what made Meggy so well-liked in the first place (her OddFriendship with Mario as his MoralityPet, her spunky NiceGirl nature, her general [[ActionGirl badassery]], nearly all of her ties to ''Splatoon'' outside of plot-relevant moments, etc.), claiming Meggy [[InNameOnly barely resembles]] the character that was once an EnsembleDarkhorse and that all her changes have marked a general downgrade in her character that she has never recovered from. yet to recover from.\\\
For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that. Their main editor Paul ([=MediExcaliur2012=]), however, DID speak at length about Meggy [[https://youtu.be/zLkvDjmWz4E here]] in December 2022, doing a deep dive into ''why'' her base is broken. Many episodes he worked on starting in mid-2022 explicitly try to invoke CharacterRerailment. Fan reaction tends to be very positive whenever he does this. The writers, though, evidently haven't gotten the memo, so DependingOnTheWriter comes into play – this is how Meggy can flip from her "classic" personality ("Mario Reacts to Nintendo Memes 11 ft. Meggy") in episodes he has wide latitude on, to her less popular "modern" one ("All I Want For Christmas Is For Mario To FREAKIN' BEHAVE") in episodes he didn't, mere days apart.



* [[GamerChick Tari]] was this right out of her debut episode. Some like her for being the nicest character in the cast alongside Luigi, having many unique traits (her introverted nature, cyborg gamer abilities, being [[SlapstickKnowsNoGender a female who is subjected to constant slapstick]]) and having a somewhat stable relationship with Mario. Others feel her characterization as a gamer girl is too generic, hate that she becomes a SpotlightStealingSquad at certain points, feel her relevance largely diminished after the Waluigi Arc and claim her whole character is essentially just ProductPlacement for ''WebAnimation/MetaRunner''. Then there are others who liked her for her unique traits and lament that she was [[{{Flanderization}} gradually reduced]] to being simply a NiceGirl (outside of whenever her arm is used as a PlotDevice), feeling she became too generic.

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* [[GamerChick Tari]] was this right out of her debut episode. Some like her for being the nicest character in the cast alongside Luigi, having many unique traits (her introverted nature, cyborg gamer abilities, being [[SlapstickKnowsNoGender a female who is subjected to constant slapstick]]) slapstick]]), and having a somewhat stable relationship with Mario. Others feel her characterization as a gamer girl is too generic, hate that she becomes a SpotlightStealingSquad at certain points, feel her relevance largely diminished after the Waluigi Arc and claim her whole character is essentially just ProductPlacement for ''WebAnimation/MetaRunner''. Then there are others who liked her for her unique traits and lament that she was [[{{Flanderization}} gradually reduced]] to being simply a NiceGirl (outside of whenever her arm is used as a PlotDevice), feeling she became too generic.



* Whimpu, once an EnsembleDarkhorse in his debut, became this as his personality was fleshed out. Supporters like him for his nerdy nature and simplistic ''{{VideoGame/Mother}}''-esque design compared to Saiko's [[UnintentionalUncannyValley design]]. Detractors feel that he is nothing more than a bland simp, which makes him unfunny and cringey, and that his love for weeb stuff makes him almost like a second Boopkins. A third group confesses he was good in his debut when his "wimp" qualities were more prevalent and lament that he was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn quickly solidified]] into a simp character instead.

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* Whimpu, once an EnsembleDarkhorse in his debut, became this as his personality was fleshed out. Supporters like him for his nerdy nature and simplistic ''{{VideoGame/Mother}}''-esque ''VideoGame/{{Mother}}''-esque design compared to Saiko's [[UnintentionalUncannyValley design]]. Detractors feel that he is nothing more than a bland simp, which makes him unfunny and cringey, and that his love for weeb stuff makes him almost like a second Boopkins. A third group confesses he was good in his debut when his "wimp" qualities were more prevalent and lament that he was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn quickly solidified]] into a simp character instead.
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* [[ActionGirl Meggy Spletzer]] is the biggest example, often being compared to [[WebVideo/SuperMarioLogan Jeffy]] in terms of fan reception, exposure, favoritism and how she has affected the series direction, for better or worse. Originally near-universally popular when she debuted in 2017, her fanbase slowly divided with time, especially once she was promoted to the main cast. Some liked her for being an [[CuteMonsterGirl adorable]] [[ActionGirl badass]] [[TheGunslinger sharpshooter]] who was arguably [[SociopathicHero Mario's]] MoralityPet (to the point of shipping them), as well as being a NiceGirl and OnlySaneWoman among a cast of questionable intelligence, and found her [[AffirmativeActionGirl competence]] refreshing compared to the other female characters before her. Others saw her as a [[SpotlightStealingSquad spotlight stealer]] lacking any sort of humorous quirks or faults to fit in the series (with the [[InformedFlaw "faults"]] she does have [[{{Adorkable}} only making her more quirky]]), having [[FlatCharacter very little personality]] aside from doing cool stuff and being nice, and having a [[HypeBacklash notoriously rabid fanbase]]. The Anime arc would mark the beginning of a drastic change in her character, starting with her reveal as a BrokenAce and her subsequent CharacterDevelopment, culminating in her becoming a complete OC through [[HumanityEnsues her human transformation and voice]], splitting her reception even further. Those that like "Human Meggy" praise her newfound character depth, development and more relatable characterization. Others deride her UncannyValley redesign, her CharacterArc continuing long after ArcFatigue set in for it, her much more explicit favoritism, her more volatile personality (with her interactions with Mario being a common talking point) and her perceived {{Wangst}} behavior. Some in this camp, particularly former fans of her as an Inkling, feel her development removed lot of what made Meggy so well-liked in the first place (her OddFriendship with Mario as his MoralityPet, her spunky NiceGirl nature, her general [[ActionGirl badassery]], nearly all of her ties to ''Splatoon'' outside of plot-relevant moments, etc.), claiming Meggy [[InNameOnly barely resembles]] the character that was once an EnsembleDarkhorse and that all her changes have marked a general downgrade in her character that she has never recovered from. For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that.
* [[CuteAndPsycho Saiko]] [[PunnyName Bichitaru]] was originally praised for her surprisingly emotional debut episode, but her expanded character depth, CharacterDevelopment, and eventual promotion to the main cast led to fan opinion becoming divided on her. Many praised her for her competency as a female villain and enjoyed her subsequent development, badass action scenes, and budding friendship with the main cast. Others don't like her for generally being the most aggressive character in the main cast, her CuteButCacophonic voice clips coming off as annoying at times, her UncannyValley [[NonStandardCharacterDesign design]] (which, while working for her debut episode, worked less when she pulled a HeelFaceTurn and became a major character) and sharing the notorious SpotlightStealingSquad reputation of her fellow female main cast members.

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* [[ActionGirl Meggy Spletzer]] is the biggest example, often being compared to [[WebVideo/SuperMarioLogan Jeffy]] in terms of fan reception, exposure, favoritism and how she has affected the series direction, for better or worse. Originally near-universally popular when she debuted in 2017, her fanbase slowly divided with time, especially once she was promoted to the main cast. Some liked her for being an [[CuteMonsterGirl adorable]] [[ActionGirl badass]] [[TheGunslinger sharpshooter]] who was arguably [[SociopathicHero Mario's]] MoralityPet (to the point of shipping them), as well as being a NiceGirl and OnlySaneWoman among a cast of questionable intelligence, and found her [[AffirmativeActionGirl competence]] refreshing compared to the other female characters before her. Others saw her as a [[SpotlightStealingSquad spotlight stealer]] lacking any sort of humorous quirks or faults to fit in the series (with the [[InformedFlaw "faults"]] she does have [[{{Adorkable}} only making her more quirky]]), having [[FlatCharacter very little personality]] aside from doing cool stuff and being nice, and having a [[HypeBacklash notoriously rabid fanbase]]. The Anime arc would mark the beginning of a drastic change in her character, starting with her reveal as a BrokenAce and her subsequent CharacterDevelopment, culminating in her becoming a complete OC through [[HumanityEnsues her human transformation and voice]], splitting her reception even further. Those that like "Human Meggy" praise her newfound character depth, development and more relatable characterization. Others deride her UncannyValley UnintentionalUncannyValley redesign, her CharacterArc continuing long after ArcFatigue set in for it, her much more explicit favoritism, her more volatile personality (with her interactions with Mario being a common talking point) and her perceived {{Wangst}} behavior. Some in this camp, particularly former fans of her as an Inkling, feel her development removed lot of what made Meggy so well-liked in the first place (her OddFriendship with Mario as his MoralityPet, her spunky NiceGirl nature, her general [[ActionGirl badassery]], nearly all of her ties to ''Splatoon'' outside of plot-relevant moments, etc.), claiming Meggy [[InNameOnly barely resembles]] the character that was once an EnsembleDarkhorse and that all her changes have marked a general downgrade in her character that she has never recovered from. For what it's worth, Luke and Kevin [[https://youtu.be/ChKtVcU-pUQ?t=984 are aware]] of her divisive reputation, but have chosen not to comment on it any further than that.
* [[CuteAndPsycho Saiko]] [[PunnyName Bichitaru]] was originally praised for her surprisingly emotional debut episode, but her expanded character depth, CharacterDevelopment, and eventual promotion to the main cast led to fan opinion becoming divided on her. Many praised her for her competency as a female villain and enjoyed her subsequent development, badass action scenes, and budding friendship with the main cast. Others don't like her for generally being the most aggressive character in the main cast, her CuteButCacophonic voice clips coming off as annoying at times, her UncannyValley UnintentionalUncannyValley [[NonStandardCharacterDesign design]] (which, while working for her debut episode, worked less when she pulled a HeelFaceTurn and became a major character) and sharing the notorious SpotlightStealingSquad reputation of her fellow female main cast members.



* Whimpu, once an EnsembleDarkhorse in his debut, became this as his personality was fleshed out. Supporters like him for his nerdy nature and simplistic ''{{VideoGame/Mother}}''-esque design compared to Saiko's [[UncannyValley design]]. Detractors feel that he is nothing more than a bland simp, which makes him unfunny and cringey, and that his love for weeb stuff makes him almost like a second Boopkins. A third group confesses he was good in his debut when his "wimp" qualities were more prevalent and lament that he was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn quickly solidified]] into a simp character instead.

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* Whimpu, once an EnsembleDarkhorse in his debut, became this as his personality was fleshed out. Supporters like him for his nerdy nature and simplistic ''{{VideoGame/Mother}}''-esque design compared to Saiko's [[UncannyValley [[UnintentionalUncannyValley design]]. Detractors feel that he is nothing more than a bland simp, which makes him unfunny and cringey, and that his love for weeb stuff makes him almost like a second Boopkins. A third group confesses he was good in his debut when his "wimp" qualities were more prevalent and lament that he was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn quickly solidified]] into a simp character instead.
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%% A simple suggestion: try to wait at least 2-3 Base Breaking Character can only be listed 6 months after a character's debut before adding them here in order to avoid kneejerk reactions.character becomes controversial (which may or may not be their introduction. See Administrivia/NoRecentExamplesPlease.
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%% Please see thread to discuss don't add a new image.image without discussion in Image Pickin'.

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