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* In the second film, Elizabeth claims she will not persecute English citizens, either Protestant or Catholic, solely for their beliefs. In real life, she certainly did, with Catholics being actively coerced to join the Church of England during his reign. This also ignored that "beliefs" by themselves were only part of the problem at he time -- what really mattered was their practical indissociation from political allegiance to either the Catholic Church (which could and would intervene in other countries to secure its rule) and the various reformed denominations like the Church of England (which placed secular and religious power on their monarch), without discounting competence between various Protestants currents themselves. The "freedom of conscience and thought" Elizabeth claims to want to preserve against the UsefulNotes/SpanishInquisition never really existed, either towards Catholics or non-Anglican Protestants, which would be the cause of future conflicts.
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* UsefulNotes/PhilipII of Spain appears here as a sickly, shadowy man with a dark beard and a creepy odd gait who is an incompetent and mentally unbalanced king, as well a religious fanatic of such level that he goes followed by sinister churchmen everywhere and looks like he uses his praying beads to contain anxiety attacks. The real Philip was decidedly a religious fanatic by modern standards and had a ControlFreak nature that made him prone to blunders, but he was a highly intellectual, rational ruler with several successes in his foreign policies (it's just that his failures tend to overshadow them, especially depending on who is writing the story), not to mention he was quite handsome and athletic, and usually dressed and lived with sobriety (in fact, accounts of people who met him often explicitly state he was a very charming man). His portrayal by Creator/JordiMolla also has him in a bad case of EvilIsHammy, while the real Philip was instead famous for his DissonantSerenity.
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* UsefulNotes/PhilipII of Spain appears here as a sickly, shadowy man with a dark beard and a creepy odd gait who is an incompetent and mentally unbalanced king, as well a religious fanatic of such level that he goes followed by sinister churchmen everywhere and looks like he uses his praying beads to contain anxiety attacks. The real Philip was decidedly a religious fanatic by modern standards and had a ControlFreak nature that made him prone to blunders, but he was a highly intellectual, rational ruler with several successes in his foreign policies (it's just that his failures tend to overshadow them, especially depending on who is writing the story), not to mention he was quite handsome and athletic, and usually dressed and lived with sobriety (in sobriety. In fact, accounts of people who met him often explicitly state he was a very charming man).man, if an introverted one. His portrayal by Creator/JordiMolla also has him in a bad case of EvilIsHammy, while the real Philip was instead famous for his DissonantSerenity. Lastly, Philip at the time was 61, yet Mollà was almost half of that number at the time and looks even younger.
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* Walter Raleigh was not a pirate. UsefulNotes/SirFrancisDrake was.
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* Nearly everything that Sir Walter Raleigh does was actually done by UsefulNotes/SirFrancisDrake. Raleigh was kept in England when the Armada attacked because the Queen did not want him to be killed. Defeating the Armada was Drake's moment of triumph but he is hardly in the film. Also, Raleigh was not a pirate. UsefulNotes/SirFrancisDrake pirate like Drake was.
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* The first film ends with the captions "Elizabeth reigned for another 40 years" (her full reign was almost 45, so the movie crams almost 20 years of anachronistic history into just under five); "Walsingham remained her most trusted and loyal advisor to the end" (subjective, as the likes of Dudley and Cecil probably have better claims) and "She never married and never saw Dudley in private again" (she and Dudley remained close friends until his death, so this is an outright lie).
* Unlike what the second film claims, Philip II didn't "plunge Europe into holy war". While he was certainly a hardliner that entangled Spain in all the religious conflicts between Catholic and Protestants he could reach, he actually kickstarted none of them. The UsefulNotes/FrenchWarsOfReligion were a ongoing civil war that had started when Philip was 7-year-old, while UsefulNotes/TheEightyYearsWar in the Netherlands was similarly an internal conflict that had exploded out of local religious tensions behind Philip's back, whose causes soon became less about religion and more due to Philip's neglectful and iron-fisted management of the crisis (in fact, the rebel faction that rose against him for this was predominantly ''Catholic'', with only the upper class being Protestant).
* The Spanish Armada was not built by ruinously deforesting Spain, as most of the ships that composed it were already existent and in service for Spain and Portugal. The film also simplifies greatly its assembling, with Philip managing to get it seaworthy in one month, while in real life the process was so troublesome and grueling (Sir Francis Drake destroyed many of the ships at one point in a daring attack) that its original commander, UsefulNotes/AlvaroDeBazan, had time to die of sickness.
* Unlike what the second film claims, Philip II didn't "plunge Europe into holy war". While he was certainly a hardliner that entangled Spain in all the religious conflicts between Catholic and Protestants he could reach, he actually kickstarted none of them. The UsefulNotes/FrenchWarsOfReligion were a ongoing civil war that had started when Philip was 7-year-old, while UsefulNotes/TheEightyYearsWar in the Netherlands was similarly an internal conflict that had exploded out of local religious tensions behind Philip's back, whose causes soon became less about religion and more due to Philip's neglectful and iron-fisted management of the crisis (in fact, the rebel faction that rose against him for this was predominantly ''Catholic'', with only the upper class being Protestant).
* The Spanish Armada was not built by ruinously deforesting Spain, as most of the ships that composed it were already existent and in service for Spain and Portugal. The film also simplifies greatly its assembling, with Philip managing to get it seaworthy in one month, while in real life the process was so troublesome and grueling (Sir Francis Drake destroyed many of the ships at one point in a daring attack) that its original commander, UsefulNotes/AlvaroDeBazan, had time to die of sickness.
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* The first film ends with the captions "Elizabeth reigned for another 40 years" (her full reign was almost 45, so the movie crams almost 20 years of anachronistic history into just under five); "Walsingham remained her most trusted and loyal advisor to the end" (subjective, as the likes of Dudley and Cecil probably have better claims) and "She "she never married and never saw Dudley in private again" (she and Dudley remained close friends until his death, so this is an outright lie).
* Unlike what the second film claims, Philip II didn't "plunge Europe into holy war". While he was certainly a hardliner that entangled Spain in all the religious conflicts between Catholic and Protestants he could reach, he actually kickstarted none of them. The UsefulNotes/FrenchWarsOfReligion were a ongoing civil war that had started when Philip was 7-year-old, while UsefulNotes/TheEightyYearsWar in the Netherlands was similarly an internal conflict that had exploded out of local religious tensions behind Philip's back, whose causes soonbecame become less about religion and more due to Philip's neglectful and iron-fisted management of the crisis (in fact, the rebel faction that rose against him for this was predominantly ''Catholic'', with only the upper class being Protestant).
* Equally inaccurate is the claim that "only England stands against him", even although this seems to contradict the previous line that Philip was warring against at least a significant part of Europe. In reality, not only England was not his only opposition, it was not even his main opposition. Philip was mostly concerned with putting down the rebellion in the Spanish Netherlands and to help the French Catholic League place a Catholic monarch in their throne (especially if said monarch could be Isabella, whose mother belonged to the French house of Valois). At the point the movie starts, English were seen just as a maritime nuisance due to their attacks on Spanish shipping and ports, and conquering them was considered a mere detour of the war in the Netherlands meant to deprive the rebels from a foreign ally. The film generally makes a big deal out of the enmity Elizabeth and Philip, as if they were the two biggest players of the period, when in reality Philip's beefs with William of Orange and Henry of Navarre were way more relevant.
* The Spanish Armada was not built by ruinously deforesting Spain, as most of the ships that composed it were already existent and in service for Spain andPortugal.Portugal (it also ignores that the necessary wood for a fleet of that size would be absolutely negligible for Spain's forests at the time, or even today). The film also simplifies greatly its assembling, with Philip managing to get it seaworthy in one month, while in real life the process was so troublesome and grueling (Sir Francis Drake destroyed many of the ships at one point in a daring attack) that its original commander, UsefulNotes/AlvaroDeBazan, had time to die of sickness.
* Unlike what the second film claims, Philip II didn't "plunge Europe into holy war". While he was certainly a hardliner that entangled Spain in all the religious conflicts between Catholic and Protestants he could reach, he actually kickstarted none of them. The UsefulNotes/FrenchWarsOfReligion were a ongoing civil war that had started when Philip was 7-year-old, while UsefulNotes/TheEightyYearsWar in the Netherlands was similarly an internal conflict that had exploded out of local religious tensions behind Philip's back, whose causes soon
* Equally inaccurate is the claim that "only England stands against him", even although this seems to contradict the previous line that Philip was warring against at least a significant part of Europe. In reality, not only England was not his only opposition, it was not even his main opposition. Philip was mostly concerned with putting down the rebellion in the Spanish Netherlands and to help the French Catholic League place a Catholic monarch in their throne (especially if said monarch could be Isabella, whose mother belonged to the French house of Valois). At the point the movie starts, English were seen just as a maritime nuisance due to their attacks on Spanish shipping and ports, and conquering them was considered a mere detour of the war in the Netherlands meant to deprive the rebels from a foreign ally. The film generally makes a big deal out of the enmity Elizabeth and Philip, as if they were the two biggest players of the period, when in reality Philip's beefs with William of Orange and Henry of Navarre were way more relevant.
* The Spanish Armada was not built by ruinously deforesting Spain, as most of the ships that composed it were already existent and in service for Spain and
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* Nearly everything that Sir Walter Raleigh does was actually done by Sir Francis Drake. Raleigh was kept in England when the Armada attacked because the Queen did not want him to be killed. Defeating the Armada was Drake's moment of triumph but he is hardly in the film.
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* The Earl of Nottingham states that the Spanish Armada have destroyed several English ships. In reality, the English didn't lose a single ship, as the armada never actually attacked before it was forced to withdraw.
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* The Earl of Nottingham states that the Spanish Armada have has destroyed several English ships. In reality, the English didn't lose a single ship, as the armada never actually attacked before it was forced to withdraw.
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* The film also implies the Armada was completely destroyed by the storms, or at least critically damaged, but in real life most of it managed to return safely from the miscarriage that was the whole operation, losing around 35-40 ships out of the given number. Philip breaking down crying and hosting a giant Mass to pray to God for forgiveness is fictional; in real life, Philip took the failure in stride (legend has that he only snarked "I did not send my ships to fight against the elements") and didn't even blame the fleet's incompetent commander for it.
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* The film also implies the Armada was completely destroyed by the storms, or at least critically damaged, but in real life most of it managed to return safely from the miscarriage that was the whole operation, losing around 35-40 ships out of the given number. Philip breaking down crying and hosting a giant Mass to pray to God for forgiveness is fictional; in real life, Philip took the failure in stride (legend has that he only snarked "I did not send my ships to fight against the elements") and didn't even blame the fleet's incompetent commander for it.[[note]]Philip did have his own fair share of blame for appointing said commander in the first place, which he probably realized.[[/note]]
* The film's epilogue claims the loss of the Armada was "the most humiliating defeat in Spain's naval history", which, aside from being rampantly inaccurate,[[note]]Spain has much better candidates to that title. The Spanish Armada at the time was considered a serious fiasco, but not a particularly atrocious one, given that in real life most of the fleet managed to make due, and its recent memory would be erased by several comparable victories against the English, like the English Armada (1589) and the Drake-Hawkins expedition (1591), as well as equally big failures, like the Second (1596) and Third (1597) Spanish Armadas.[[/note]] jives rather badly with the fact that this defeat was mainly inflicted by weather conditions and not by an enemy attack. The same epilogue also makes it look like the Spanish Armada was the final battle in the war, after which "England entered a time of peace and prosperity", when in real life the war continued for other sixteen years, with both Elizabeth and Philip dying before its ending (whether there were peace and prosperity in the subsequent gap before the UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar is debatable). The line about leaving Spain bankrupt is true, although a national bankrupt back then was not the kind of disaster it is today -- Spain bankrupted and bounced back multiple times during its Habsburg era.
* The film's epilogue claims the loss of the Armada was "the most humiliating defeat in Spain's naval history", which, aside from being rampantly inaccurate,[[note]]Spain has much better candidates to that title. The Spanish Armada at the time was considered a serious fiasco, but not a particularly atrocious one, given that in real life most of the fleet managed to make due, and its recent memory would be erased by several comparable victories against the English, like the English Armada (1589) and the Drake-Hawkins expedition (1591), as well as equally big failures, like the Second (1596) and Third (1597) Spanish Armadas.[[/note]] jives rather badly with the fact that this defeat was mainly inflicted by weather conditions and not by an enemy attack. The same epilogue also makes it look like the Spanish Armada was the final battle in the war, after which "England entered a time of peace and prosperity", when in real life the war continued for other sixteen years, with both Elizabeth and Philip dying before its ending (whether there were peace and prosperity in the subsequent gap before the UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar is debatable). The line about leaving Spain bankrupt is true, although a national bankrupt back then was not the kind of disaster it is today -- Spain bankrupted and bounced back multiple times during its Habsburg era.
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* When Elizabeth has Raleigh and Bess released from the Tower of London, the film suggests that Elizabeth did this as a magnanimous gesture of forgiveness, when she actually only reluctantly released Raleigh because his men were threatening to withhold the queen's share of the spoils from the Battle of Flores, and released Bess out of guilt over the fact that the baby she conceived with Raleigh died of plague while she was incarcerated in the Tower.
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* When Elizabeth has Raleigh and Bess released from the Tower of London, the film suggests that Elizabeth did this as a magnanimous gesture of forgiveness, when she actually only reluctantly released Raleigh because his men were threatening to withhold the queen's share of the spoils from the Second Battle of Flores, and released Bess out of guilt over the fact that the baby she conceived with Raleigh died of plague while she was incarcerated in the Tower.
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* Walter Raleigh was not a pirate. Sir Francis Drake was.
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* Walter Raleigh was not a pirate. Sir Francis Drake UsefulNotes/SirFrancisDrake was.
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* Unlike what the second film claims, Philip II didn't "plunge Europe into holy war". While he certainly was a hardliner that entangled Spain in all the religious conflicts between Catholic and Protestants he could reach, he actually kickstarted none of them. The UsefulNotes/FrenchWarsOfReligion were a ongoing civil war that had started when Philip was 7-year-old, while UsefulNotes/TheEightyYearsWar in the Netherlands was similarly an internal conflict that had exploded out of local religious tensions behind Philip's back, whose causes soon became less about religion and more due to Philip's neglectful and iron-fisted management of the crisis (in fact, the rebel faction that rose against him for this was predominantly ''Catholic'', with only the upper class being Protestant).
* The Spanish Armada was not built by ruinously deforesting Spain, as most of the ships that composed it were already in service for Spain and Portugal. Also, it was very far from the greatest fleet ever assembled as Philip claims; with its crews of 29,000 men in 137 ships, it was utterly dwarfed by any of the contending forces in the then-recent UsefulNotes/BattleOfLepanto, not to talk about the major naval engagements of the UsefulNotes/GrecoPersianWars and the UsefulNotes/PunicWars of Antiquity. In fact, it was still smaller than Elizabeth's own fleet in port, only surpassing it in manpower due to many of the Iberian ships being bigger and heavier than their English counterparts. England later put together an English Armada with a pretty similar number, 27.000 men, which also failed disastrously in the attempt to capitalize on the chance to invade Spain.
* Raleigh returns from claiming the American territories of Virginia for the crown of England, with a couple of natives for extra flavor. In real life, Raleigh sent multiple expeditions, but never set foot on North America himself. He was generally not the hands-on kind of explorer seen in the film, being quite rich and having many people to do it for him, and only at the end of his life he did explore a bit of South America personally in the search of El Dorado.
* The Spanish Armada was not built by ruinously deforesting Spain, as most of the ships that composed it were already in service for Spain and Portugal. Also, it was very far from the greatest fleet ever assembled as Philip claims; with its crews of 29,000 men in 137 ships, it was utterly dwarfed by any of the contending forces in the then-recent UsefulNotes/BattleOfLepanto, not to talk about the major naval engagements of the UsefulNotes/GrecoPersianWars and the UsefulNotes/PunicWars of Antiquity. In fact, it was still smaller than Elizabeth's own fleet in port, only surpassing it in manpower due to many of the Iberian ships being bigger and heavier than their English counterparts. England later put together an English Armada with a pretty similar number, 27.000 men, which also failed disastrously in the attempt to capitalize on the chance to invade Spain.
* Raleigh returns from claiming the American territories of Virginia for the crown of England, with a couple of natives for extra flavor. In real life, Raleigh sent multiple expeditions, but never set foot on North America himself. He was generally not the hands-on kind of explorer seen in the film, being quite rich and having many people to do it for him, and only at the end of his life he did explore a bit of South America personally in the search of El Dorado.
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* Unlike what the second film claims, Philip II didn't "plunge Europe into holy war". While he was certainly was a hardliner that entangled Spain in all the religious conflicts between Catholic and Protestants he could reach, he actually kickstarted none of them. The UsefulNotes/FrenchWarsOfReligion were a ongoing civil war that had started when Philip was 7-year-old, while UsefulNotes/TheEightyYearsWar in the Netherlands was similarly an internal conflict that had exploded out of local religious tensions behind Philip's back, whose causes soon became less about religion and more due to Philip's neglectful and iron-fisted management of the crisis (in fact, the rebel faction that rose against him for this was predominantly ''Catholic'', with only the upper class being Protestant).
* The Spanish Armada was not built by ruinously deforesting Spain, as most of the ships that composed it were already existent and in service for Spain and Portugal.Also, The film also simplifies greatly its assembling, with Philip managing to get it seaworthy in one month, while in real life the process was so troublesome and grueling (Sir Francis Drake destroyed many of the ships at one point in a daring attack) that its original commander, UsefulNotes/AlvaroDeBazan, had time to die of sickness.
* The Armada was very far from the greatest fleet ever assembled as Philipclaims; with claims. With its crews of 29,000 men in 137 ships, it was utterly dwarfed by any of the contending forces in the then-recent UsefulNotes/BattleOfLepanto, not to talk about the major naval engagements of the UsefulNotes/GrecoPersianWars and the UsefulNotes/PunicWars of Antiquity. In fact, it was still technically smaller than Elizabeth's own fleet in port, only surpassing it in manpower due to many of the Iberian ships being bigger and heavier than their English counterparts. England later put together an English Armada with a pretty similar number, 27.000 27,000 men, which also failed disastrously in the attempt to capitalize on the chance to invade Spain.
* Raleigh returns from claiming the American territories of Virginia for the crown of England, with a couple of natives for extra flavor. In real life, Raleigh sent multiple expeditions, but never set foot on North America himself. He was generally not the hands-on kind of explorer seen in the film, being quite rich and having many people to do it for him, and only at the end of his life he did explore a bit of South America personally in the search of ElDorado.Dorado (which eventually got him executed upon his return, as one of his liuetenants decided to attack Spanish settlements even although England and Spain had signed peace years earlier).
* The Spanish Armada was not built by ruinously deforesting Spain, as most of the ships that composed it were already existent and in service for Spain and Portugal.
* The Armada was very far from the greatest fleet ever assembled as Philip
* Raleigh returns from claiming the American territories of Virginia for the crown of England, with a couple of natives for extra flavor. In real life, Raleigh sent multiple expeditions, but never set foot on North America himself. He was generally not the hands-on kind of explorer seen in the film, being quite rich and having many people to do it for him, and only at the end of his life he did explore a bit of South America personally in the search of El
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* The sequel depicts Anthony Babington attempting to shoot at Elizabeth in St. Paul's Cathedral, which couldn't have possibly happened because he and the rest of the conspirators were all caught and arrested by the efforts of Francis Walsingham well before there was ever a threat to Elizabeth (as was the case with every other plot).
* The Earl of Nottingham states that the Spanish Armada have destroyed several English ships. In reality the English didn't lose a single ship.
* The Earl of Nottingham states that the Spanish Armada have destroyed several English ships. In reality the English didn't lose a single ship.
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* The sequel depicts Anthony Babington is depicted attempting to shoot at Elizabeth in St. Paul's Cathedral, which couldn't have possibly happened because he and the rest of the conspirators were all caught and arrested by the efforts of Francis Walsingham well before there was ever a threat to Elizabeth (as was the case with every other plot).
* As seen in the horses and soldiers, the film makes it look like the Spanish Armada sailed off carrying aboard the land army meant to invade England, which in reality was stationed in the Spanish Netherlands at the time and never got to join the fleet. While the armada did carry enough marines to believably perform an invasion by itself (the earliest draft of the plan had been to conquer Ireland with it, without any input from the Netherlands), its true role was to rendezvous with the Spanish elite army in Flanders and protect their carriers from the English navy while disembarking near London.
* The Earl of Nottingham states that the Spanish Armada have destroyed several English ships. Inreality reality, the English didn't lose a single ship.ship, as the armada never actually attacked before it was forced to withdraw.
* As seen in the horses and soldiers, the film makes it look like the Spanish Armada sailed off carrying aboard the land army meant to invade England, which in reality was stationed in the Spanish Netherlands at the time and never got to join the fleet. While the armada did carry enough marines to believably perform an invasion by itself (the earliest draft of the plan had been to conquer Ireland with it, without any input from the Netherlands), its true role was to rendezvous with the Spanish elite army in Flanders and protect their carriers from the English navy while disembarking near London.
* The Earl of Nottingham states that the Spanish Armada have destroyed several English ships. In
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* The film also implies the Armada was completely destroyed by the storm, or at least critically damaged, but in real life most of it managed to return safely from the miscarriage that was the whole operation, losing around 35-40 ships out of the given number. Philip breaking down crying and hosting a giant Mass to pray to God for forgiveness is fictional; in real life, Philip took the failure in stride (legend has that he only snarked "I did not send my ships to fight against the elements") and didn't even blame the fleet's incompetent commander for it.
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* The film also implies the Armada was completely destroyed by the storm, storms, or at least critically damaged, but in real life most of it managed to return safely from the miscarriage that was the whole operation, losing around 35-40 ships out of the given number. Philip breaking down crying and hosting a giant Mass to pray to God for forgiveness is fictional; in real life, Philip took the failure in stride (legend has that he only snarked "I did not send my ships to fight against the elements") and didn't even blame the fleet's incompetent commander for it.
