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The notion of “you’re not a TRUE fan if you criticize later installments of X and dislike them for not being like the earlier ones” is a No True Scotsman fallacy.


This elitist tendency essentially turns {{Fandom}} into a speculations market -- if you like it before it's popular, or if you hate something because it's popular, only then does your profit margin in coolness points amount to anything when you fling away your shares in the fandom in horror of the masses. (Incidentally, note the jargon here. "Speculations market". "Profit margin". "Shares". Ironic, no?) If it never Sells Out, no one will get the name recognition when you say "I liked X before it was popular." Ironically, fandoms of little-known works almost always expand by word of mouth -- ''the very reason it became popular'' is that these people kept talking about how cool it was, and enjoying acclaim from being the one "in the know" about a good work before anyone else. (Which they lose when it becomes popular.) For further irony value, these snobs often claim to be X's [[NoTrueScotsman original and/or true fans]] -- but, in dropping X like a hot potato after X becomes popular, they actually reveal themselves to be fair weather fans (or, if you prefer, foul weather fans), since if they truly were a fan of X, then they would be supportive of X regardless of its popularity.

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This elitist tendency essentially turns {{Fandom}} into a speculations market -- if you like it before it's popular, or if you hate something because it's popular, only then does your profit margin in coolness points amount to anything when you fling away your shares in the fandom in horror of the masses. (Incidentally, note the jargon here. "Speculations market". "Profit margin". "Shares". Ironic, no?) If it never Sells Out, no one will get the name recognition when you say "I liked X before it was popular." Ironically, fandoms of little-known works almost always expand by word of mouth -- ''the very reason it became popular'' is that these people kept talking about how cool it was, and enjoying acclaim from being the one "in the know" about a good work before anyone else. (Which they lose when it becomes popular.) For further irony value, these snobs often claim to be X's [[NoTrueScotsman original and/or true fans]] -- but, in dropping X like a hot potato after X becomes popular, they actually reveal themselves to be fair weather fans (or, if you prefer, foul weather fans), since if they truly were a fan of X, then they would be supportive of X X, regardless of its popularity.popularity, if it still had the fundamental draw of what made X popular in the first place (however, if X genuinely ''has'' abandoned or watered-down what made it popular or liked in order to appeal to a wider audience, then fans are justified in critiquing that decision).
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This elitist tendency essentially turns {{Fandom}} into a speculations market -- if you like it before it's popular, or if you hate something because it's popular, only then does your profit margin in coolness points amount to anything when you fling away your shares in the fandom in horror of the masses. (Incidentally, note the jargon here. "Speculations market". "Profit margin". "Shares". Ironic, no?) If it never Sells Out, no one will get the name recognition when you say "I liked X before it was popular." Ironically, fandoms of little-known works almost always expand by word of mouth -- ''the very reason it became popular'' is that these people kept talking about how cool it was, and enjoying acclaim from being the one "in the know" about a good work before anyone else. (Which they lose when it becomes popular.) For further irony value, these snobs often claim to be X's [[NoTTrueScotsman original and/or true fans]] -- but, in dropping X like a hot potato after X becomes popular, they actually reveal themselves to be fair weather fans (or, if you prefer, foul weather fans), since if they truly were a fan of X, then they would be supportive of X regardless of its popularity.

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This elitist tendency essentially turns {{Fandom}} into a speculations market -- if you like it before it's popular, or if you hate something because it's popular, only then does your profit margin in coolness points amount to anything when you fling away your shares in the fandom in horror of the masses. (Incidentally, note the jargon here. "Speculations market". "Profit margin". "Shares". Ironic, no?) If it never Sells Out, no one will get the name recognition when you say "I liked X before it was popular." Ironically, fandoms of little-known works almost always expand by word of mouth -- ''the very reason it became popular'' is that these people kept talking about how cool it was, and enjoying acclaim from being the one "in the know" about a good work before anyone else. (Which they lose when it becomes popular.) For further irony value, these snobs often claim to be X's [[NoTTrueScotsman [[NoTrueScotsman original and/or true fans]] -- but, in dropping X like a hot potato after X becomes popular, they actually reveal themselves to be fair weather fans (or, if you prefer, foul weather fans), since if they truly were a fan of X, then they would be supportive of X regardless of its popularity.
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No indication of a logical paradox, anf "fam dumb" is flame bait


This elitist tendency essentially turns {{Fandom}} into a speculations market -- if you like it before it's popular, or if you hate something because it's popular, only then does your profit margin in coolness points amount to anything when you fling away your shares in the fandom in horror of the masses. (Incidentally, note the jargon here. "Speculations market". "Profit margin". "Shares". Ironic, no?) If it never Sells Out, no one will get the name recognition when you say "I liked X before it was popular." Ironically, fandoms of little-known works almost always expand by word of mouth -- ''the very reason it became popular'' is that these people kept talking about how cool it was, and enjoying acclaim from being the one "in the know" about a good work before anyone else. (Which they lose when it becomes popular.) For further irony value, these snobs often claim to be X's [[FanDumb original and/]][[LogicBomb or true fans]] -- but, in dropping X like a hot potato after X becomes popular, they actually reveal themselves to be fair weather fans (or, if you prefer, foul weather fans), since if they truly were a fan of X, then they would be supportive of X regardless of its popularity.

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This elitist tendency essentially turns {{Fandom}} into a speculations market -- if you like it before it's popular, or if you hate something because it's popular, only then does your profit margin in coolness points amount to anything when you fling away your shares in the fandom in horror of the masses. (Incidentally, note the jargon here. "Speculations market". "Profit margin". "Shares". Ironic, no?) If it never Sells Out, no one will get the name recognition when you say "I liked X before it was popular." Ironically, fandoms of little-known works almost always expand by word of mouth -- ''the very reason it became popular'' is that these people kept talking about how cool it was, and enjoying acclaim from being the one "in the know" about a good work before anyone else. (Which they lose when it becomes popular.) For further irony value, these snobs often claim to be X's [[FanDumb [[NoTTrueScotsman original and/]][[LogicBomb or and/or true fans]] -- but, in dropping X like a hot potato after X becomes popular, they actually reveal themselves to be fair weather fans (or, if you prefer, foul weather fans), since if they truly were a fan of X, then they would be supportive of X regardless of its popularity.
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Not So Different has been renamed, and it needs to be dewicked/moved


This elitist tendency essentially turns {{Fandom}} into a speculations market -- if you like it before it's popular, or if you hate something because it's popular, only then does your profit margin in coolness points amount to anything when you fling away your shares in the fandom in horror of the masses. (Incidentally, note the jargon here. "Speculations market". "Profit margin". "Shares". [[NotSoDifferent Ironic, no?]]) If it never Sells Out, no one will get the name recognition when you say "I liked X before it was popular." Ironically, fandoms of little-known works almost always expand by word of mouth -- ''the very reason it became popular'' is that these people kept talking about how cool it was, and enjoying acclaim from being the one "in the know" about a good work before anyone else. (Which they lose when it becomes popular.) For further irony value, these snobs often claim to be X's [[FanDumb original and/]][[LogicBomb or true fans]] -- but, in dropping X like a hot potato after X becomes popular, they actually reveal themselves to be fair weather fans (or, if you prefer, foul weather fans), since if they truly were a fan of X, then they would be supportive of X regardless of its popularity.

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This elitist tendency essentially turns {{Fandom}} into a speculations market -- if you like it before it's popular, or if you hate something because it's popular, only then does your profit margin in coolness points amount to anything when you fling away your shares in the fandom in horror of the masses. (Incidentally, note the jargon here. "Speculations market". "Profit margin". "Shares". [[NotSoDifferent Ironic, no?]]) no?) If it never Sells Out, no one will get the name recognition when you say "I liked X before it was popular." Ironically, fandoms of little-known works almost always expand by word of mouth -- ''the very reason it became popular'' is that these people kept talking about how cool it was, and enjoying acclaim from being the one "in the know" about a good work before anyone else. (Which they lose when it becomes popular.) For further irony value, these snobs often claim to be X's [[FanDumb original and/]][[LogicBomb or true fans]] -- but, in dropping X like a hot potato after X becomes popular, they actually reveal themselves to be fair weather fans (or, if you prefer, foul weather fans), since if they truly were a fan of X, then they would be supportive of X regardless of its popularity.
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c} This causes a case of {{Sequelitis}} in the studio, due to the hope of making more money. Said sequels, unlike the original, not always, but usually ''will'' use the usual crowd-pleasing tropes mentioned above, as well as re-tooling the original film's premise to appeal to younger audiences.

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c} This causes a case of {{Sequelitis}} in the studio, due to the hope of making more money. Said sequels, unlike the original, not always, but usually ''will'' use the usual crowd-pleasing tropes mentioned above, as well as re-tooling the original film's premise to appeal to younger audiences.audiences.

This elitist tendency essentially turns {{Fandom}} into a speculations market -- if you like it before it's popular, or if you hate something because it's popular, only then does your profit margin in coolness points amount to anything when you fling away your shares in the fandom in horror of the masses. (Incidentally, note the jargon here. "Speculations market". "Profit margin". "Shares". [[NotSoDifferent Ironic, no?]]) If it never Sells Out, no one will get the name recognition when you say "I liked X before it was popular." Ironically, fandoms of little-known works almost always expand by word of mouth -- ''the very reason it became popular'' is that these people kept talking about how cool it was, and enjoying acclaim from being the one "in the know" about a good work before anyone else. (Which they lose when it becomes popular.) For further irony value, these snobs often claim to be X's [[FanDumb original and/]][[LogicBomb or true fans]] -- but, in dropping X like a hot potato after X becomes popular, they actually reveal themselves to be fair weather fans (or, if you prefer, foul weather fans), since if they truly were a fan of X, then they would be supportive of X regardless of its popularity.
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c} This causes a case of {{Sequelitis}} in the studio, due to the hope of making more money. Said sequels, unlike the original, ''will'' use the usual crowd-pleasing tropes mentioned above, as well as re-tooling the original film's premise to appeal to younger audiences.

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c} This causes a case of {{Sequelitis}} in the studio, due to the hope of making more money. Said sequels, unlike the original, not always, but usually ''will'' use the usual crowd-pleasing tropes mentioned above, as well as re-tooling the original film's premise to appeal to younger audiences.
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c} This causes a full-throated case of {{Sequelitis}} in the studio, due to the hope of making more money. Said sequels, unlike the original, ''will'' use the usual crowd-pleasing tropes mentioned above, as well as re-tooling the original film's premise to appeal to younger audiences.

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c} This causes a full-throated case of {{Sequelitis}} in the studio, due to the hope of making more money. Said sequels, unlike the original, ''will'' use the usual crowd-pleasing tropes mentioned above, as well as re-tooling the original film's premise to appeal to younger audiences.
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a} An initial film (''Film/TheMatrix'' being a good example, as was ''Cube'') is released, which the releasing studio does not expect to be a mainstream success. Because the initial film is only expected to appeal to a niche audience, the storyline will often be more intelligent than usual, and the producers very often won't resort to the usual cheap gimmicks (excessive [[{{Fanservice}} nudity]] or Michael Bay-like explosions unless those are genuinely in context with the storyline, etc) which are intended to draw in large audiences.

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a} An initial film (''Film/TheMatrix'' being a good example, as was ''Cube'') is released, which the releasing studio does not expect to be a mainstream success. Because the initial film is only expected to appeal to a niche audience, the storyline will often be more intelligent than usual, and the producers very often won't resort to the usual cheap gimmicks (excessive [[{{Fanservice}} nudity]] or Michael Bay-like rather large explosions unless those are genuinely in context with the storyline, etc) which are intended to draw in large audiences.



c} This causes a full-throated case of {{Sequelitis}} in the studio, due to the hope of making more money. Said sequels, unlike the original, ''will'' use the usual crowd-pleasing tropes mentioned above, as well as re-tooling the original film's premise to appeal to fifteen year old morons.

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c} This causes a full-throated case of {{Sequelitis}} in the studio, due to the hope of making more money. Said sequels, unlike the original, ''will'' use the usual crowd-pleasing tropes mentioned above, as well as re-tooling the original film's premise to appeal to fifteen year old morons.younger audiences.
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a} An initial film (''Film/TheMatrix'' being a good example, as was ''Cube'') is released, which the releasing studio does not expect to be a mainstream success. Because the initial film is only expected to appeal to a niche audience, the storyline will often be more intelligent than usual, and the producers very often won't resort to the usual cheap gimmicks (excessive [[FanService nudity]] or Michael Bay-like explosions unless those are genuinely in context with the storyline, etc) which are intended to draw in large audiences.

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a} An initial film (''Film/TheMatrix'' being a good example, as was ''Cube'') is released, which the releasing studio does not expect to be a mainstream success. Because the initial film is only expected to appeal to a niche audience, the storyline will often be more intelligent than usual, and the producers very often won't resort to the usual cheap gimmicks (excessive [[FanService [[{{Fanservice}} nudity]] or Michael Bay-like explosions unless those are genuinely in context with the storyline, etc) which are intended to draw in large audiences.
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To the extent that this trope ''is'' true, it will usually be as a result of the non-lethal form of TheFireflyEffect, where the studio are trying to boost ratings. There is one other way in which this trope can legitimately manifest, as well.

a} An initial film (''Film/TheMatrix'' being a good example, as was ''Cube'') is released, which the releasing studio does not expect to be a mainstream success. Because the initial film is only expected to appeal to a niche audience, the storyline will often be more intelligent than usual, and the producers very often won't resort to the usual cheap gimmicks (excessive [[FanService nudity]] or Michael Bay-like explosions unless those are genuinely in context with the storyline, etc) which are intended to draw in large audiences.

b} Because of said film's unusual degree of artistic integrity, it will become far more popular than the studio anticipated.

c} This causes a full-throated case of {{Sequelitis}} in the studio, due to the hope of making more money. Said sequels, unlike the original, ''will'' use the usual crowd-pleasing tropes mentioned above, as well as re-tooling the original film's premise to appeal to fifteen year old morons.

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