History Administrivia / NoNewStockPhrases

# Some Stock Phrase-named tropes become Administrivia/{{Pothole Magnet}}s (or worse, [[VerbalTic Troper Tics]]) where editors link the name every time ''they'' use the phrase, regardless of whether they're actually providing an example of the trope, or [[Administrivia/{{Sinkhole}} not]]. (And in most cases, [[TropeDecay it's not]].)

A Wiki/TVTropes ruling established mid-2011 that no new articles in the TropeLaunchPad should be named after a StockPhrase or line of personal (in-character) dialogue. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13093268520A52000100&page=1 Bone up on history here.]]

# We don't want every example section getting [[TVTropesMoreLikeTVQuotes formatted like a list of quotations]]. All those quotations give the impression that it's about the exact words used at the expense of the real trope surrounding them. There's generally no need to quote the source material verbatim, and the example sections just ''look'' better when they aren't broken up every five lines with a distracting block of [[Administrivia/TextFormattingRules quotation markup]]. It ''can'' be worthwhile to quote the dialogue that occurred in one or two examples here and there, but only in addition to a [[Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample properly formatted citation]], not in lieu of one.

# Some Stock Phrase-named tropes become {{Pothole Magnet}}s (or worse, [[VerbalTic Troper Tics]]) where editors link the name every time ''they'' use the phrase, regardless of whether they're actually providing an example of the trope, or [[Administrivia/{{Sinkhole}} not]]. (And in most cases, [[TropeDecay it's not]].)

-> ''"No, it is a word. What matters is the ''connection'' that word implies."''
-->-- '''Ramachandra''' in ''Film/TheMatrixRevolutions'', justifying an AI's use of the word "love"

A Wiki/TVTropes ruling established mid-2011 that no new articles in the TropeLaunchPad should be named after a StockPhrase or line of personal (in-character) dialogue. [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13093268520A52000100&page=1 Bone up on history here.]]

Number one important thing to remember: You are naming a trope, not giving an article a title.

But before standing up and shouting '''''"[[ThatWasObjectionable Objection!]]"''''', take a moment to remember what our definition of a {{trope}} is: It's a ''convention of fiction'', a motif or element that recurs enough (across a given work, or whole genre, or even [[OmnipresentTropes all fiction itself]]) for the audience to identify it when they see it (or, in some cases, [[FridgeBrilliance after seeing it]]).

Most StockPhrases originate from a line of character dialogue, but aside from being repeated so often that people start recognizing it as generic, the words themselves don't really convey whatever actual motif or convention is in play. We're not tagging news articles or blog posts with witty personal thoughts for a header; we're coining ''names'' for the concepts themselves.

Problems related to using a phrase as a trope name include:

# The big one: They '''do not work'''. That is, they don't get adopted as the name of a trope. They get no inbound links. It is more difficult to use them in a sentence when the phrase is not being quoted than a noun or a verb.
# We don't want our editors thinking that the trope is about characters merely '''saying the phrase'''. Having a "list of times characters said X" is about as meaningful as, say, a "list of times [[Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs characters sat on chairs]]". The trope is established by the surrounding context, the actual phrase or dialogue which occurred is merely incidental and thus Administrivia/NotATrope. The reason the author wrote the line, the thing he or she wanted to accomplish to advance the story being told, ''that's'' the trope.
# Many older StockPhrase articles were at some point written as "A ''common phrase'' said when...", placing emphasis on the exact words used instead of the actual trope that prompted them. This is bad trope formatting, and one of the reasons it even became a problem at all.
# We don't want every example section getting [[TVTropesMoreLikeTVQuotes formatted like a list of quotations]]. All those quotations give the impression that it's about the exact words used at the expense of the real trope surrounding them. There's generally no need to quote the source material verbatim, and the example sections just ''look'' better when they aren't broken up every five lines with a distracting block of [[Administrivia/TextFormattingRules quotation markup]]. It ''can'' be worthwhile to quote the dialogue that occurred in one or two examples here and there, but only in addition to a [[Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample properly formatted citation]], not in lieu of one.
# Sometimes a StockPhrase ... just '''isn't a stock phrase.''' If it could occur for a variety of unrelated reasons, then we can't pick ''just one'' to use for the trope -- the phrase is too broad, and will get misused when editors only see the name. Doubly so if combined with the list-of-quotations issue described above. This is the same reason we don't like naming tropes after characters anymore, because characters of fiction are remembered for too many ''different'' reasons to pick just "that one".
# Some Stock Phrase-named tropes become {{Pothole Magnet}}s (or worse, [[VerbalTic Troper Tics]]) where editors link the name every time ''they'' use the phrase, regardless of whether they're actually providing an example of the trope, or [[Administrivia/{{Sinkhole}} not]]. (And in most cases, [[TropeDecay it's not]].)

See Administrivia/NamingATrope for more general guidelines on how to name a trope.

How do you avoid having your trope name sound like someone talking (i.e. a line of dialog)? Here are some things to avoid:

* It uses a personal pronoun like "I", "me", "we", "us", "my", or "our" as if someone were referring to themselves.
** Line of dialog: IAmTheBest, ItsAllUpToMe, WeAreGoingToLunch, ThatsMySandwich
** O.K.: ThereIsNoIInTeam
** O.K.: The [[Administrivia/EverythingsWorseWithSnowclones Our X Are Different]] names are not stock phrases, as they do not sound like dialog, and the "our" is not for characters in the work.
** Specific exceptions: TwoWordsICantCount (moderator approved)
* It uses the words "you", "your" or "yourself" as if they're directed toward someone else.
** Line of dialog: YouNeedToLeave, ThatsYourProblem, GetOverYourself
** O.K.: SensingYouAreOutmatched ("you" refers to the speaker, not another), YouTurn (pun on U-turn)
** Specific exceptions: StopHittingYourself (moderator approved)
* It uses the words "his", "hers", "they", "them", "their" or "theirs" to refer to a character or characters.
** Line of dialog: LetsHisPowersDoTheFighting, HereTheyCome, ThatsUpToThem, ItsTheirs, ItsAllTheirFault
* It's in the form of a full sentence and sounds like a statement directed toward another person.
** Giving an order, e.g. GetOutOfTheHouse or EditItOut.
** In the form of a question, e.g. WhatYearIsIt
** General: HelloThere, NoPhonesTonight ([[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=brb5q9qe24cc620697dstpsd by word of]] Tropers/FastEddie), SomebodyDoSomething, WelcomeToTheMasquerade

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** O.K.: The [[EverythingsWorseWithSnowclones Our X Are Different]] names are not stock phrases, as they do not sound like dialog, and the "our" is not for characters in the work.

How do you avoid having your trope name sound like a line of dialog (i.e. someone speaking)? Here are some things to avoid:

# The big one: They '''do not work'''. That is, they don't get adopted as the name of a trope. They get no inbound links.

A Wiki/TVTropes ruling established mid-2011 that no new articles in the {{YKTTW}} should be named after a StockPhrase or line of personal (in-character) dialogue. [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13093268520A52000100&page=1 Bone up on history here.]]

** Specific exceptions: TwoWordsICantCount (specific moderator approval)

** Specific exceptions: StopHittingYourself (specific moderator approval)

** Line of dialog: LetsHisPowersDoTheFighting, HereTheyCome, LookAtThemGo, ItsTheirs, ItsAllTheirFault

* The big one: They '''do not work'''. That is, they don't get adopted as the name of a trope. They get no inbound links.

* We don't want our editors thinking that the trope is about characters merely '''saying the phrase'''. Having a "list of times characters said X" is about as meaningful as, say, a "list of times [[Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs characters sat on chairs]]". The trope is established by the surrounding context, the actual phrase or dialogue which occurred is merely incidental and thus Administrivia/NotATrope. The reason the author wrote the line, the thing he or she wanted to accomplish to advance the story being told, ''that's'' the trope.

* Many older StockPhrase articles were at some point written as "A ''common phrase'' said when...", placing emphasis on the exact words used instead of the actual trope that prompted them. This is bad trope formatting, and one of the reasons it even became a problem at all.

* We don't want every example section getting [[TVTropesMoreLikeTVQuotes formatted like a list of quotations]]. All those quotations give the impression that it's about the exact words used at the expense of the real trope surrounding them. There's generally no need to quote the source material verbatim, and the example sections just ''look'' better when they aren't broken up every five lines with a distracting block of [[Administrivia/TextFormattingRules quotation markup]]. It ''can'' be worthwhile to quote the dialogue that occurred in one or two examples here and there, but only in addition to a [[Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample properly formatted citation]], not in lieu of one.

* Sometimes a StockPhrase ... just '''isn't a stock phrase.''' If it could occur for a variety of unrelated reasons, then we can't pick ''just one'' to use for the trope -- the phrase is too broad, and will get misused when editors only see the name. Doubly so if combined with the list-of-quotations issue described above. This is the same reason we don't like naming tropes after characters anymore, because characters of fiction are remembered for too many ''different'' reasons to pick just "that one".

* Some Stock Phrase-named tropes become {{Pothole Magnet}}s (or worse, [[VerbalTic Troper Tics]]) where editors link the name every time ''they'' use the phrase, regardless of whether they're actually providing an example of the trope, or [[Administrivia/{{Sinkhole}} not]]. (And in most cases, [[TropeDecay it's not]].)

How do you avoid having your trope name sound like a line of dialog? Here are some things to avoid:

A TVTropes ruling established mid-2011 that no new articles in the {{YKTTW}} should be named after a StockPhrase or line of personal (in-character) dialogue. [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13093268520A52000100&page=1 Bone up on history here.]]

** Line of dialog: YouNeedToLeave, ThatsYourProblem, StopHittingYourself

** Line of dialog: YouNeedToLeave, ThatsYourProblem
** O.K.: SensingYouAreOutmatched ("you" refers to yourself, not another), YouTurn (pun on U-turn)