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That\'s not cool, man.


'''This policy has been amended, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=kiqoyj58taihfp8hpbezck0s&page=2#46 we're ditching the second part of the title.]] Pornographic works and porn tropes have to go.'''
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'''This policy has been amended, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=kiqoyj58taihfp8hpbezck0s&page=2#46 we're ditching the second part of the title.]] Pornographic works and porn tropes have to go.'''
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# '''The wiki is not rated G.''' We aren't sanitizing the wiki for small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself though.

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# '''The wiki is not rated G.''' We aren't sanitizing the wiki for small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself though.itself, as the above No Lewdness section makes clear, but neither is it an excuse to make those pages cleaner than the work itself.
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# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex, even if portrayed negetively (e.g. ''Lolita''), delete it as well.

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# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex, even if portrayed negetively negatively (e.g. ''Lolita''), delete it as well.
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providing clarification based on my understanding of the new rule, please revert if my facts are wrong.


# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex (e.g. ''Lolita''), delete it as well.

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# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex sex, even if portrayed negetively (e.g. ''Lolita''), delete it as well.
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# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex (e.g. ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''), again, just state the facts and move on.

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# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex (e.g. ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''), again, just state the facts and move on.''Lolita''), delete it as well.

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In case people are confused by it, but manage to have something to contribute anyway.


# '''Fanfic Recs for underage sex.''' We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex involving people apparently[[hottip:*:Yes, this includes OlderThanTheyLook characters]] younger than 16. Period. Anyone confused by this simple rule is not needed to help us with the wiki.

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# '''Fanfic Recs for underage sex.''' We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex involving people apparently[[hottip:*:Yes, this includes OlderThanTheyLook characters]] apparently or actually younger than 16. Period. Anyone confused by this simple rule is not needed to help us We categorically ''do not'' recommend fics with the wiki.
sex in which at least one participant:
** [[OlderThanTheyLook Appears to be younger than 16, regardless of actual age]]
** [[YoungerThanTheyLook Is under 16, regardless of apparent age]].
::This applies even if all parties are underage.
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\"Between\" implies that it\'s only \"minor-with-minor\" sex, and can be interpreted to exclude \"minor-with-adult\" sex. Changed it to be more inclusive.


# '''Fanfic Recs for underage sex.''' We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex between people apparently[[hottip:*:Yes, this includes OlderThanTheyLook characters]] younger than 16. Period. Anyone confused by this simple rule is not needed to help us with the wiki.

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# '''Fanfic Recs for underage sex.''' We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex between involving people apparently[[hottip:*:Yes, this includes OlderThanTheyLook characters]] younger than 16. Period. Anyone confused by this simple rule is not needed to help us with the wiki.
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# '''Fanfic Recs for underage sex.''' We will not host any recommendation for fics that have explicit sex between people apparently[[hottip:*:Yes, this includes OlderThanTheyLook characters]] younger than 16. Period. Anyone confused by this simple rule is not needed to help us with the wiki.

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They\'re thematically related


# '''Titillation links.''' Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate NSFW {{fanservice}}. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also WeblinksAreNotExamples.)



# '''Titillation links.''' Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate NSFW {{fanservice}}. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also WeblinksAreNotExamples.)

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Think this is a good point to add.


Sometimes examples have a tendency to stray from the path of "funny, but informative" into the land of "downright lewd". Lewd writing is flat out NotSafeForWork. If you see it, clean up. Examples can be written without creepiness. If there is something sexual, it's best to just state the facts and move on.

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Sometimes examples have a tendency to stray from the path of "funny, but informative" into the land of "downright lewd". Lewd writing is flat out NotSafeForWork.pornographic. If you see it, clean up. Examples can be written without creepiness. If there is something sexual, it's best to just state the facts and move on.







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# '''Thinking a page with a NotSafeForWork subject is license to be lewd.''' Even when we discuss porn, we are about just stating the facts.



Merely being about something sexual or potentially sexual does not mean that a work or trope page is fair game for chopping on the grounds that it's creepy or perverse.

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Merely being about something sexual or potentially sexual does not mean that a work or trope page is fair game for chopping on the grounds that it's creepy or perverse.
perverse. There are things to avoid.



# '''The wiki is not rated G.''' We aren't sanitizing the wiki for small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself though.

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# '''The wiki is not rated G.''' We aren't sanitizing the wiki for small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself though.though.
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# '''NSFW writing.''' If you're writing porn, it should be somewhere other than the wiki. Keep it FamilyFriendly.

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# '''NSFW '''Pornographic writing.''' If you're writing porn, it should be somewhere other than the wiki. Keep it FamilyFriendly.

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# '''Aim for a PG-13 Rating, not a G (unless the work itself is G).''' We aren't aiming for squeaky clean safe for even the smallest children. Just pre-watershed.

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# '''Aim '''The wiki is not rated G.''' We aren't sanitizing the wiki for a PG-13 Rating, small children. Sex and sexuality are part of media and we aren't going to ignore them. This wiki is Family Friendly, not a G (unless Unsupervised Small Child Friendly. This isn't an excuse to make work pages dirtier than the work itself is G).''' We aren't aiming for squeaky clean safe for even the smallest children. Just pre-watershed.though.
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Since it would be silly to write a page like Care Bears in a PG-13 tone.


# '''Aim for a PG-13 Rating, not a G.''' We aren't aiming for squeaky clean safe for even the smallest children. Just pre-watershed.

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# '''Aim for a PG-13 Rating, not a G.G (unless the work itself is G).''' We aren't aiming for squeaky clean safe for even the smallest children. Just pre-watershed.
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# '''Aim for a PG-13 Rating.''' We aren't aiming for squeaky clean safe for even the smallest children. Just pre-watershed.

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# '''Aim for a PG-13 Rating.Rating, not a G.''' We aren't aiming for squeaky clean safe for even the smallest children. Just pre-watershed.
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I\'m less mad now


On the flipside of this, it's possible to be too prudish as well. The wiki is always going to discuss sex and sexuality because it's one of the driving forces behind most media productions; if you think {{sex is evil}}, you are not going to be happy with the approach TVTropes takes.

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On the flipside of this, it's possible to be too prudish as well. The wiki is always going to discuss sex and sexuality because it's one of the driving forces behind most media productions; if you think {{sex is evil}}, you are not going unlikely to be happy with the approach TVTropes takes.
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# '''Aim for a PG-13 Rating.''' We aren't aiming for squeaky clean. Just pre-watershed.

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# '''Aim for a PG-13 Rating.''' We aren't aiming for squeaky clean.clean safe for even the smallest children. Just pre-watershed.
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# '''Don't be a BluenoseBowdlerizer.''' We're not looking to censor the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.

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# '''Don't be a BluenoseBowdlerizer.''' We're not looking to censor the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.there.
# '''Aim for a PG-13 Rating.''' We aren't aiming for squeaky clean. Just pre-watershed.
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On the flipside of this, it's possible to be too prudish as well. The wiki is always going to discuss sex and sexuality because it's one of the driving forces behind most media productions.

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On the flipside of this, it's possible to be too prudish as well. The wiki is always going to discuss sex and sexuality because it's one of the driving forces behind most media productions.
productions; if you think {{sex is evil}}, you are not going to be happy with the approach TVTropes takes.
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This last clause doesn\'t really fit too well with the rest of the paragraph.


For various reasons, there is a content range we strive for on this site. We can't be too crude and perverted, but neither do we want to sanitize pages on works that involve sexual content. This is a site for discussing tropes and how they relate to fiction, not for being lewd or prudish, same as it's not for opinions or {{Natter}}.

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For various reasons, there is a content range we strive for on this site. We can't be too crude and perverted, but neither do we want to sanitize pages on works that involve sexual content. This is a site for discussing tropes and how they relate to fiction, not for being lewd or prudish, same as it's not for opinions or {{Natter}}.
prudish.
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For various reasons, there is a content range we strive for on this site. We can't be too crude and perverted, but neither do we want to sanitize pages on works that involve sexual content. This is a site for discussing tropes and how the relate to fiction, not for being lewd or prudish, same as it's not for opinions or {{Natter}}.

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For various reasons, there is a content range we strive for on this site. We can't be too crude and perverted, but neither do we want to sanitize pages on works that involve sexual content. This is a site for discussing tropes and how the they relate to fiction, not for being lewd or prudish, same as it's not for opinions or {{Natter}}.

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Hopefully this is a good introduction.


For various reasons, there is a content range we strive for on this site. We can't be too crude and perverted, but neither do we want to sanitize pages on works that involve sexual content. This is a site for discussing tropes and how the relate to fiction, not for being lewd or prudish, same as it's not for opinions or {{Natter}}.

Specifically, if a work has sexual content, we shouldn't be graphic in writing about it, nor should we pretend the sexual content isn't there.



# '''Personal opinions on hotness.''' Examples should stand on their own without the introduction of YMMV material. Adding your own thoughts and feelings on an example is {{Natter}} and not needed. Don't try and [[OpinionMyopia extend your feelings to a larger group of fans either]], e.g. "...and fangirls everywhere rejoiced". You're not fooling anyone.

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# '''Personal opinions on hotness.''' Examples should stand on their own without the introduction of YMMV material. Adding your own thoughts and feelings on an example is {{Natter}} and not needed.an opinion, same as calling an example good or bad. Don't do it. Don't try and [[OpinionMyopia extend your feelings to a larger group of fans either]], e.g. "...and fangirls everywhere rejoiced". You're not fooling anyone.



# '''Unrelated fanservice mentions.''' If the hot bits aren't related to the example, they don't belong in the example. It's {{Natter}} and it just makes it sound like porn.

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# '''Unrelated fanservice mentions.''' If the hot bits aren't related to the example, they don't belong in the example. It's {{Natter}} and it just makes it sound like porn.
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# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex (e.g. ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''), again just state the facts and move on.

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# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex (e.g. ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''), again again, just state the facts and move on.
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# '''Talking about actors instead of characters.''' An actor is not the character they play. When you're writing an example about a work, refer to the character, not the actor.

If a page seems to be infested with lewdness and you don't feel up to tackling it yourself -- or if you're not sure whether it's lewd enough to fall afoul of this guideline -- please report it in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13312331670A55000100 Perversity Clean-Up]] thread to get more repair-minded eyes on it.

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# '''Talking about actors instead of characters.''' An actor is not the character they play. When you're writing an example about a work, refer to the character, not the actor.

actor. This applies to non-sexual references, but too often it's tropers writing about how they find certain actors hot. That doesn't fit in character examples.

If a page seems to be infested with lewdness lewdness, and you don't feel up to tackling it yourself -- or if you're not sure whether it's lewd enough to fall afoul of this guideline -- please report it in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13312331670A55000100 Perversity Clean-Up]] thread to get more repair-minded eyes on it.
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Just because it\'s unacceptable doesn\'t make it otherwise like natter, at least not quite in the context of that line. There is a later line where it does fit though, and I left it.


Sometimes examples have a tendency to stray from the path of "funny, but informative" into the land of "downright lewd." Lewd writing is a lot like {{Natter}}: if you see it, clean up. Examples can be written without creepiness. If there is something sexual, it's best to just state the facts and move on.

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Sometimes examples have a tendency to stray from the path of "funny, but informative" into the land of "downright lewd." lewd". Lewd writing is a lot like {{Natter}}: if flat out NotSafeForWork. If you see it, clean up. Examples can be written without creepiness. If there is something sexual, it's best to just state the facts and move on.
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# '''Titillation links.''' Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate {{fanservice}}. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also WeblinksAreNotExamples.)

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# '''Titillation links.''' Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate NSFW {{fanservice}}. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also WeblinksAreNotExamples.)
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Sometimes examples have a tendency to stray from the path of "funny, but informative" into the land of "downright lewd." Lewd writing is a lot like {{Natter}}: if you see it, clean up. Examples can be written without creepiness.

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Sometimes examples have a tendency to stray from the path of "funny, but informative" into the land of "downright lewd." Lewd writing is a lot like {{Natter}}: if you see it, clean up. Examples can be written without creepiness.
creepiness. If there is something sexual, it's best to just state the facts and move on.



# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex (e.g. ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''), just state the facts and move on.

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# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex (e.g. ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''), again just state the facts and move on.



# '''Don't be a BluenoseBowdlerizer.''' We're not looking to censor the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.

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# '''Don't be a BluenoseBowdlerizer.''' We're not looking to censor the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.
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If a page seems to be infested with lewdness and you don't feel up to tackling it yourself -- or if you're not sure whether it's lewd enough to fall afoul of this guideline -- please report it in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13312331670A55000100 Perversity alarm]] thread to get more repair-minded eyes on it.

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If a page seems to be infested with lewdness and you don't feel up to tackling it yourself -- or if you're not sure whether it's lewd enough to fall afoul of this guideline -- please report it in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13312331670A55000100 Perversity alarm]] Clean-Up]] thread to get more repair-minded eyes on it.
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!! No Lewdness:

Sometimes examples have a tendency to stray from the path of "funny, but informative" into the land of "downright lewd." Lewd writing is a lot like {{Natter}}: if you see it, clean up. Examples can be written without creepiness.

"Lewdness" is more than just being about something sexual or potentially sexual. Here are some signs of lewd writing:

# '''Personal opinions on hotness.''' Examples should stand on their own without the introduction of YMMV material. Adding your own thoughts and feelings on an example is {{Natter}} and not needed. Don't try and [[OpinionMyopia extend your feelings to a larger group of fans either]], e.g. "...and fangirls everywhere rejoiced". You're not fooling anyone.
# '''Overly detailed examples.''' The example doesn't need to be an exact sensory account of the event. Too much of that and you end up sounding like you're writing porn. When in doubt, drop a few adjectives.
# '''Unrelated fanservice mentions.''' If the hot bits aren't related to the example, they don't belong in the example. It's {{Natter}} and it just makes it sound like porn.
# '''NSFW writing.''' If you're writing porn, it should be somewhere other than the wiki. Keep it FamilyFriendly.
# '''Pedo gushing.''' We don't need to describe children sexually. This should be cut immediately. We're not interested in hosting pedophilia fantasies. Period. If a work contains children having sex (e.g. ''Literature/{{Lolita}}''), just state the facts and move on.
# '''Titillation links.''' Tell, don't show. We don't need screen shots to illustrate {{fanservice}}. If a reader is really curious, they can go look it up on Google. (See also WeblinksAreNotExamples.)
# '''Talking about actors instead of characters.''' An actor is not the character they play. When you're writing an example about a work, refer to the character, not the actor.

If a page seems to be infested with lewdness and you don't feel up to tackling it yourself -- or if you're not sure whether it's lewd enough to fall afoul of this guideline -- please report it in the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13312331670A55000100 Perversity alarm]] thread to get more repair-minded eyes on it.

!! No Prudishness:

On the flipside of this, it's possible to be too prudish as well. The wiki is always going to discuss sex and sexuality because it's one of the driving forces behind most media productions.

Merely being about something sexual or potentially sexual does not mean that a work or trope page is fair game for chopping on the grounds that it's creepy or perverse.

# '''Don't cutlist or gut pages just because they're about sexual topics.''' Sex exists. It's used in media a lot. You'll just need to cope with that fact. Relationships, fanservice, and sexual activity all fall into their own tropes as a result.
# '''Don't be a BluenoseBowdlerizer.''' We're not looking to censor the wiki. If the sex and sexuality is an honest part of the work and relevant to the example, it belongs there.

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