This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
yyz: I don't know which part of the Characters hierarchy this would go under.
Kendra Kirai: Mikoto...really isn't that goth-y. She's too cheerful, doesn't wear the clothes (When she wears more than the mininum amount of clothes)...
I'm going to look through my collection for pictures of a Perky Goth. Give me an hour or two and I should have one. :)
Seth: I could upload one of my pictures of Death of the Endless if you can't find something.
Oh and Archetypal Character is where this would fit
Ununnilium: Death of the Endless would be perfect here. And Perky Goth is not an archetype. Defintely goes in Characters as Device.
YYZ: Aw cripes, how the hell did I forget Death? The most famous Perky Goth of all time and I left her out!
Looney Toons: Re: images. Why not get a picture of Gilly The Perky Goth from John Kovalic's Webcomic Dork Tower
?
Seth: My reasoning is Death is hotter. That about all though.
Looney Toons: I offered that suggestion before I saw the image of Death. It works well. Forget I said anything.
Kendra Kirai: I just want to share These
◊ images.
◊ This one too
◊, even though Vanilla is not perky at all. :)
Tzintzuntzan: I can't figure out for the life of me why Nico is a Perky Goth. The further into her series, the more she becomes an angsty, tortured soul (and she has good reason for that).
Seth: I was thinking the same thing. I think the issue is that she isn't stereotypical goth. Which as far as i can tell - there is no such thing. The stereotype of a goth is from an external perspective. They are all normal people when you talk to them, they just wear lots of black.
Morgan Wick: And earrings. And tatoos. And makeup.
Lale: So it sounds like the depressed, suicidal, New Age-Otaku stereotype is just that, and the Perky Goth is closer to Truth in Television.
Ununnilium: More like they're both extremes, and real people fall all along the spectrum.
Kimiko Muffin: And upon seeing this page's title, I shouldn't have worried about whether or not I'd have to add Death. ;)
Ununnilium: ...you know, I just realized; we don't have a page for the "regular" Goth stereotype.
Seth: I was hoping no-one would notice that :( Goth - Nico would be moved over.
Redname: Well, we don't have an article for the French either; reality isn't really our thing.
Ununnilium: Would Lydia from Beetlejuice count, either in the movie or in the animated series?
Lale: Definitely not in the movie- she was on the verge of suicide! I don't remember much about the show.
Andyroid: I remember the show, and I'd say animated Lydia was definitely a Perky Goth.
Looney Toons: After letting it sit for some months, and thinking about it, I'm pulling the Mikoto/Mai-Hime example. I don't see Mikoto as Goth in any way, shape or form. Oh, and I yanked some natter. Stashed below for restoration if someone really wants to:
- Mikoto from Mai-HiME is a borderline case. She's too much a literal Raised by Wolves to be consciously and deliberately gothy, but she definitely shows some of the symptoms.
- Wait, Mikoto is a goth?
- Really? I had always considered her more The Daria. She wasn't all depressed, sure, but she's hardly "perky" either.
Ulti S.: Sorted things up, mostly.
Conversation In The Main Page:
- There are people who do that? D:
- Bet yer ass they do.
- And it's good. Think of it as a real life Red Shirt, since sane people on both sides of the Goth Divide can spot the dweebs that don't get Ruby Gloom◊ OR Happy Bunny but wear it anyway, thus making the fools easier to deal with in your manner of choice.
- Wait, you mean they AREN'T angsty suburban teenagers? Mind=blown.
- Oh, God, no. Some are middle aged, Goth's been around a while, all praise to J. O'Barr..
- Upcoming new character Ashley McFly in Pretty Cure Perfume Preppy is more to the goth side than perky side, as she never smiles and never had friends. Also, she's one of the few American exchange students in generic media to be, not only Goth, but also flat.
Then why is it here? Removed.
Is this trope Avril Lavigne?
