This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Working Title: Dragon Their Feet: From YKTTW
Dark Sasami: Saruman shouldn't be an example of this. He was smacked down fair and square by a contingent of Ents and Huorns, and then by Gandalf force-choking his staff, in addition to Wormtongue chucking his cell phone out the window so he couldn't call for backup. He didn't show up at the Final Battle because he was already beaten down so low that, later, an impromptu Hobbit posse nearly took him out. Plus he was planning to double-cross the Big Bad at his first opportunity anyway.
Joseph Leito: I removed the link from "most feared commander..." under Greivous to "Adaptation Decay." Makes no sense to have it there, since the movies did come first. You can't misadapt something you created. Also, I'd like an explanation on the Informed Ability link, it didn't make sense either, but I left it.
Doug S Machina: This pun is so bad it makes my teeth hurt. I approve.
SAMAS: Removed TTGL example, as it's not one. Viral was there at the final battle, and even tried to fight Simon first.
