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Sandbylur Since: Jun, 2009
Oct 27th 2014 at 10:21:59 PM •••

Redemption Equals Life: The Despair Sha energy resulting from the horror of the Sha of Pride's corruption of the Vale and the Heart of Y'Shaarj's rusurrection brings the Pools of Power to life as Immerseus (it's called the embodiment of the Vale's Sorrow for a reason) and even when the corruption is purged Immerseus retains it's sentience(converting it from Sha shaping water into a body into a pure Water Elemental with the Sha's mind yet no actual Sha energy to influence it's mind freeing it from it's own despair) making Immerseus the only Sha to have it's conciousness/mind redeemed which is fitting as it's an embodiment of despair and thus unlike the other vices(Doubt, Violence, Anger, Hatred, Fear and Pride) would be pitied due to it's misery

Is there any source for that assertion? The only thing I could find is a single, very determined poster on Battle.Net. In fact, a lot of things in the Sha section doesn't seem the be based in canon as far as I know it

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StormKnight Since: Nov, 2010
Oct 28th 2014 at 9:44:58 AM •••

Agreed. The Sha section has a lot of dubious stuff. Haven't bothered trying to clean it up yet. It does need one however.

Crewx Since: Oct, 2012
Feb 14th 2014 at 7:39:00 AM •••

Anyone think this page should be split up for length? Possibly nix the Eternal Page, bring the Elemental Lords back here, and make a new page for Pandaria with the Pandaren, Sha, Klaxxi, etc there, and a Trolls page for The Zandalari Empire and other Troll factions.

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FrosthawkSDK Since: Oct, 2012
Mar 15th 2014 at 4:49:23 PM •••

Definitely wanting pages for Trolls (since there's so damn many different factions and characters that wouldn't fit on other pages) and Pandarians (since the continent is very relevant to itself but not so relevant to the rest of Azeroth). I'd probably keep Wandering Isle denizens here but that's just me.

Not sure on getting rid of Eternals. I'm sure you could stick the August Celestials in Pandarians but Ancient Guardians (what few of them with any content) would be harder to find a place for.

StormKnight Since: Nov, 2010
Mar 19th 2014 at 9:14:23 AM •••

I don't think the page is in danger of being too long and requiring a split, but the people of Pandaria do fill a notable amount of space on the page. There is enough characters relevant only to Pandaria for them to get their own page at least, even if it's not necessarily warranted.

Not sure about a Trolls and their Empires page, but if enough characters can be found to fill out stuff (Zul'jin can be moved there for example, if necessary), sure go ahead.

I don't think we should get rid of the Eternals page though, now that we've added a few more folders and characters to it.

kraas Since: Nov, 2009
Sep 24th 2012 at 6:19:38 AM •••

Something has been bugging me for a while: there isn't a "Good" counterpart trope to Equal-Opportunity Evil. Would it be okay if I changed the renamed Equal-Opportunity Evil link I used for the Earthen Ring to Neutral Good? That seems to fit them pretty well.

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kraas Since: Nov, 2009
Oct 18th 2012 at 4:38:07 PM •••

So my reference to them as Neutral Good on the main page (a test of sorts) was predictably removed. When has the Earthen Ring ever been shown as anything but good?

Nithael Since: Jan, 2001
Oct 19th 2012 at 4:25:52 AM •••

We don't list Character Alignments (see The Great Character Alignment Debate). Now for a good counterpart to Equal-Opportunity Evil, I can't think of anything, but you could try Lost And Found.

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