Not a big fan of the Deus ex Machina and Plot Armor entries over his fight with Deidara. This link here explains, among other things, how Sasuke was NEVER confirmed to have been out of chakra, which was purely an assumption on Deidara's part. The link leads to a more detailed argument.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/48iswj/deidara_v_sasuke/
There's been a dispute over the following entry. Please, work it out here instead of starting an Edit War.
- Amazon Chaser: Implied. Sasuke gives a rather flirty smirk◊ :when Sakura crushes an entire boulder while battling Obito/Madara's army. He eventually marries her and they have a daughter, named Sarada.
To offer my opinion on the matter, this might not be entirely wrong.
Sasuke has seen Sakura's Super-Strength for the first time and smiles. In contrast, Naruto (who's standing right next to him) looks absolutely terrified.
In fact, most people (like Kakashi, Jiraiya and even Hashirama) are afraid of her punches and routinely refer to it as "monster strength".
Now that the edit wars have ended, I took a stab in some of the BS of this page. This is what I changed.
- Chronic Backstabbing Disorder: Almost everyone he gets involved with. In chronological order: the Leaf Village, Orochimaru, Itachi's will, Tobi, Jugo and Suigetsu, Karin, Sakura again, Zetsu.
- Death Glare: Used very early towards Sakura, but most instances are in part II where it is enough to scare Kabuto, Sai or Juugo.
- Disappeared Dad: He is absent from his and Sakura's daughter Sarada's life.
- The Needs of the Many: In 680, he bluntly tells Naruto that Kaguya is a hair's breadth from assimilating all humanity and only they can stop her, so they can't afford to worry about Sakura and Kakashi. Naruto admits he's got a point, but also reminds Sasuke of what he did on the bridge. To be fair, it's heavily implied he doesn't believe in his words either since he positioned his hawk to be between Kakashi and Sakura, and Kaguya, just like he did at the bridge.
- Unwanted Harem: Just about every girl back at the Ninja Academy, Ino and Sakura included, practically drooled all over him whenever he was around. Tenten and Temari also comment on him being cute at some point. Later and judging by Karin's and Mei's reactions to him, this trend has continued.
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What are we gonna do with Karma Houdini? This tropes is a magnet for edit wars. It inevitably brings up a Justifying Edit.
Speaking for myself, the only thing this tropes needs to mention are the samurai he killed in the Kage summit, who, frankly, Kishimoto probably just forgot about. Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi or even Bee himself all forgiving him is their choice, but a character getting away with murder because he became The Atoner will not sit well with everyone.
Edited by Sam406 70% of me is made of games. It is up to you to decide what to make of the remaining 30%.
- Jerkass Has a Point: Sasuke's declaration that the five countries only allied because their survival against a greater threat depended on it is perfectly true. Deciding to "fix" the problem by becoming a never-ending threat is hardly the appropriate response, though.
Was changed to:
- Jerkass Has a Point: Sasuke's declaration that the five countries only allied because their survival against a greater threat depended on it is perfectly true. Say what you like about his solution to this problem, but he's literally the only one even trying to find a solution. Everyone else is just assuming they will all just magically stay united, holding hands and singing "Kumbaya".
I'll quickly state the reasons I'm against this change:
- Too negative and flippant in tone.
- "Any solution at all" is not automatically better than "no solution presented".
No one said that Sasuke's solution was better, just that he's the only one that put any actual thought into finding one that isn't OMGFRIENDSHIP! (doing nothing and expecting everything to turn out all right anyway.)
It's Jerkass Has a Point, not Strawman Has a Point.
And if you've got a better way to phrase the fact that Sasuke is closest thing the series currently has to a voice of reason, I'm all ears.
Edited by 108.19.84.216 You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Your words are implying that his proposed solution is automatically better than OMGFRIENDSHIP, despite (1) that not necessarily being the case and (2) I don't recall OMGFRIENDSHIP being what anyone actually said. It's clear to everyone, even Naruto, that there's a lot more work involved, but Naruto's point is that no one person can hope to work a solution all by himself. Hell, if I used the same hyperbolic argument, I could say Sasuke's plan is OMGEVILOVERLORD which depends on him not only becoming immortal and unkillable...somehow...but also being a big enough bastard to out-bastard every other bastard. So if Villain A comes along and burns a village to the ground, Sasuke has to burn down three and then salt the Earth.
If that's what you choose to reading into my words, I'm sorry, but as I have already said, it's not my argument.
Is the solution Sasuke came up with a bad one? Perhaps so, but it's still a solution and Sasuke's the only one who's got one.
Again, it's Jerkass Has a Point, not Strawman Has a Point.
Obviously no one has said "OMGFRIENDSHIP". In fact, no one has said two words on the subject. Naruto doesn't have a point. He's only opposing Sasuke's solution on principle, not because he has a better one.
Simplify Sasuke's argument into OMGOVERLORD if you like, it doesn't change the fact that Sasuke, by virtue of being the (closest thing to) a voice of reason, is the only who actually has an argument.
Jerkass Has a Point: The Jerkass acts as the voice of reason.
Strawman Has a Point: The Straw Character makes a better argument than the author intended.
Sasuke doesn't have a better argument than the author intended (probably anyway, who knows with that guy), his argument is a spectacularly poor one. But he is the voice of reason in that he's trying to find a solution where Naruto is doing nothing.
Edited by 108.19.84.216 You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
I think we should just say he had a reason about "the world only unified when they had an common enemy to fight". If this is the right or wrong solution is not something we can agree on. I, personally, didn't care, he was going to be defeated anyway, and this whole "peace" topic don't interests me
What is anime? Anime is...only a weeaboo way of saying animation, really.
This is The End. Now Hold Your Breath.
I want to discuss some...inconsistent spoilers. I think there's a consensus that everything after Kaguya's defeat should be spoiled, but Genghis Gambit is for some reason unspoiled. I put a spoiler tag on it, but I just saw it was reversed. I want to avoid an Edit War so please, explain me why this should be shown when everything else revolved around Sasuke's plan to kill the Five Kages and the Tailed Beasts was spoiled.
Edited by 187.19.200.126 What is anime? Anime is...only a weeaboo way of saying animation, really.
Can we add Physical God to Sasuke since he’s the only shinobi in history that rivals Naruto in Power?