After the break up Doof and Charlene got married and had Vanessa but they divorced after her birth but before Candace's. Doof still shows that he has feelings for Linda (and vice-versa) and they marry and have Candace. When Phineas was born Doof probably built a baby carriageinator for Phineas, but he failed to do so and the machine probably blew up (or went berserk) and seemingly killed Doofenshmirtz (But it didn't). He was buried after the "funeral" but luckily he had his Dig up a Graveinator and dug it up. People don't remember that Doofenshmirtz was ever killed and believed he never did. Charlene still realizes he's still around so they both do the custody agreements on Vanessa. To this date, Doof never revealed any of this to this date, not even to Perry. And to make things stranger, Everyone in the Flynn-Fletcher family has seen Doofenshmirtz in the present day EXCEPT Linda. Coincidence? I say NAY! Even though he and Candace talked face to face, they probably don't remember each other because it's been too long orx Doof pretended to not know her.
- Also, Major Monogram might be Ferb's distant relative.
Stated in "Make Play", Candace is still 15 meaning that her and Vanessa are at least a year apart since their birthdays are in summer (June for Vanessa and July for Candace as proven in D.W.G.T.B.B.T and C.L.H.H).
More evidence you say? Check it. Both the Flynn kids have at leased 1 trait Similar to Doof and Linda:
Phineas: Obliviousness from his mom. The ability to build stuff in a short amount of time (Like Doofensmirtz). Ferb probably gets it from his own mom but I don't want to go into that.....yet.
Candace: Craziness from her mom. Being able to survive things that normally kill a human (Just like Doofenshmirtz). Also if you notice, they are BOTH are very bad at planning which is why they usually tend to fail at their schemes.
- Not to mention they both spend copious amounts of time talking to a silent, green-haired best friend...
- We see that Heinz and Linda have dated at least once in "What Do It Do?". Even though that particular date didn't go too well every relationship has ups and downs. It's completely possible that they have stayed together long enough for Linda to get pregnant. And then of course Linda met Lawrence and Doof met Charlene, and she might never even have told him that he had gotten her pregnant.
- They were, however, pretty young, and he explicitly said 'And I never saw her again.'
- Maybe it was their last date?
- Or... Maybe Doof is changing the story for whatever reason.
- He was definitely lying, how could he have known that Linda became Lindana? He obvious "saw her" at least once after that date:).
- He likely just meant that he never saw her in person after that. Alternatively, someone might have simply informed Doof of this after the fact.
- Two problems. First, Phineas is considerably younger than Vanessa, so any conception would have been well after Heinz met Charlene. Second, Heinz specifically mentioned that Linda became a pop star after their date. Again, this puts their date well before Candace's birth, let alone Phineas'
- They were, however, pretty young, and he explicitly said 'And I never saw her again.'
- Vanessa is Candace and Phineas' half-sister? That would make a very interesting fanfic...
- AND HOW!!
Also, Doofenshmirtz's ex-wife is always shown with things covering her eyes, but from what we've seen of her lips, face shape, etc., she looks exactly like Phineas' mom with a brown wig and tanner skin. And the only times she's shown are when the boys' mom is out for the day and Doofenshmirtz's daughter is trying to bust her dad. It's possible.
- Considering the similarities Vanessa has with Candace, both physical and behavioral, this seems likely to be true. Unlikely that Disney will ever confirm it, though.
- Perhaps Doofenshmirtz is Phineas' biological father. But Vanessa's mother can't be the same as Phineas' mother because they've met at a cooking class.
- Unless we start involving Timey Wimey Balls, and given who Ferb's voice actor is. . .
- This troper appreciates the Doctor Who reference, and feels less alone in the world because of it
- Unless we start involving Timey Wimey Balls, and given who Ferb's voice actor is. . .
- Perhaps Doofenshmirtz isn't even aware that he has another child. He seems a devoted dad to Vanessa, if an embarrassing one, and so it's possible that his ex-wife just kept the birth of their son a secret.
- It's possible Dr. Doof could be Candace's biological father - she and Vanessa are around the same age (if not exactly the same) - it's possible after having Vanessa with Charlene (his ex-wife's name, according to Dan Povenmire) and then eventually divorcing her, Doofenshmirtz could've had a brief fling with Linda that led to Candace's birth. Then they met again and along came Phineas.
- Candace's three future children, Amanda, Xavier and Fred, have orange, yellow and brown hair. Candace has orange hair herself (and her mother's a redhead) while we can assume that the yellow hair came from Jeremy. But who could be responsible for Fred's brown hair considering that his mother's stepdad Lawrence is the only other brunette in the family and they are not biologically related? It would stand to reason for Candace's real father to have brown hair too.
- A guess would say that Fred is Amanda and Xavier's step-brother.
- Or, y'know, the brown hair came from *Jeremy's* side of the family.
- That would imply Candace and Jeremy divorced. While such an occurrence is possible, considering how worked up Candace gets when she sees him walk by another girl, that idea just ruined about ten minutes of my day. I'm going with the theory that, because we never hear tell of another father, Candace and Phineas were made from donated sperm which unwittingly came from Doof. This also explains how he makes money for his inators. We never see him with a day job and he's far too incompetent to rob a bank.
- Or maybe Jeremy died. Oh yeah, no need to thank me for saying that.
- Or Jeremy and Candace broke up in college, married other people, had kids with said other people, ended up single and married each other. Not every theory about human genetics has to be horrific.
- Except that it's been said several times that Doof's ex-wife pays him alimony.
- Or he might be adopted.
- Or Candace is a heterozygote for both orange and brown hair.
- Maybe Fred and Xavier are very close cousins. The brown hair could still be a doofengene, though. Ferbnessa, anyone?
- In one comic from the magazine, Candace said that she would always think of having 2.5 children when she's 26 years old, so that would imply that Fred isn't completely Candace's child, either from a guy other than Jeremy or a stepchild.
- It's possible that Phineas and Candace aren't even full siblings. The closeness of the two halves of the family suggests that Linda wouldn't really make it a big deal. Also, Doofenshmirtz and Candace are both lactose intolerant.
- Candace's three future children, Amanda, Xavier and Fred, have orange, yellow and brown hair. Candace has orange hair herself (and her mother's a redhead) while we can assume that the yellow hair came from Jeremy. But who could be responsible for Fred's brown hair considering that his mother's stepdad Lawrence is the only other brunette in the family and they are not biologically related? It would stand to reason for Candace's real father to have brown hair too.
- Jossed - "What Do It Do" reveals that Doof did take Linda on a date once when she was a teen, and he never saw her again after that.
- But that doesn't leave out Roger being Phineas' Dad, during the years that Mrs. Doofenshmirtz changed their name to Flynn out of embarrassment over Heinz—likely for some minor offense. Wait for the backstory.
- But haven't you thought to yourself if Dr. Doofenshmirtz had Candace and Phineas in an illegal way, and he did 'that thing' to Linda while not noticing, as if he thought he was doing 'it' to his ex-wife?
- This would also explain why Linda and Lawrence look so young in "Dude we're getting the band back together!" if Linda actually isn't all that old in the first place, and wasn't that old when she bore Candace and Phineas.
- Doofenshmirtz could STILL be Phineas' biological father, by way of sperm donation. Linda wanted kids, she wasn't married, didn't want to do any of the hard work, and got the profile of someone who was a scientific genius, in the hopes that some of that would work out for her kid. Why would Doofenshmirtz be donating manseed? Well, he didn't always have that nice alimony check to create doomsday inventions.
- This.
- JOSSED FOR GOOD! Dan said himself in the interview that Dr. Doofenshmirtz isn't Phineas's biological father. This is the proof, but it's during the questioning session by the very end.
- Fortunately (or unfortunately) as we've learned from some other incidents (the whole "Baljeet's last name" thing comes to mind) interviews/panels can't be trusted completely.
- But that doesn't rule out the possibility that he's Candice's father.
- He even said that the plot where Doof and Linda dated the first and last time was intended for the theory to be jossed, so I think it's more legit than the case of Baljeet's last name or any other cases.
- MEGA JOSSED, if Word of God is not enough, in This is Your Backstory, Linda does not even remember Doof.
- The human mind can be a tricky thing indeed . . . ocelots, anyone?
- The prevalence of Candace's Lactose Intolerance seems to be varying between episodes, but it IS a recessive gene, explaining how Candace could have it, but neither Vanessa or Phineas have it.
- This is all well and good, but Dan and Jeff have insisted as recently as Comic-Con that they will not be introduced into the show, so unless they decide to change their mind, it will remain a WMG.
- Well, I hope that they would at least give us hints on who their birth-parents were.
- Won't they be introduced to in the movie then? Perhaps Across the Second Dimension will have an I am your father moment...
- Nope, the missing parents didn't appear there. Maybe the theatrical movie?
- This is all well and good, but Dan and Jeff have insisted as recently as Comic-Con that they will not be introduced into the show, so unless they decide to change their mind, it will remain a WMG.
- This Troper and her brother always thought that Doofenshmirtz was Phineas' father and Major Monogram was Candace's. It explains their vendetta against each other, and Candace's penchant for busting Phineas' inventions...and their heads look the same.
- In Make Play we see that Candace and the princess of Doof's country are almost identical twins. So Candace does have the Druselstein physical traits. Make of that what you will.
- Fans say that Dr. Doofenshmirtz might be Phineas' father because of they both have triangle heads. Well, they're different type of triangle heads. Dr. Doofenshmirtz has an obvious looking chin, while Phineas doesn't have a visible chin, like what Baljeet had commented on before. It seems that Dan and Jeff are aware of this too, as no one who has a triangle head like Phineas appeared in the Doofenshmirtz Family Reunion◊.
- This troper just likes to use Doof's Amnesia-inator as an excuse for all the contradictions in this theory because it makes such a great fic idea.
- Another person's theory on what happened: Candace was born to someone else. Then Linda and Doof had an affair after both Vanessa and Candace were born. This resulted in Phineas's birth, Doof's divorce from Charlene, and Linda's divorce from Candace's father.
- Jossed: Linda Flynn and Charlene Doofenshmirtz are in the same cooking class, and commiserate when they both get calls from their 'crazy' daughters at the same time.
- No, that doesn't mean it's Jossed. It means that the person who is both Linda and Charlene is really a Time Lord. One is a regeneration of the other (which one's older/younger is up for debate).
- No. You can't explain everything away by saying that he or she is actually a Time Lord/Lady. Some things just don't make sense.
- Though it could explain some things in other shows and movies...
- It could be that Linda has multiple personas and she talking to Charlene is a whole metaphor. It also explains where Charlene gets all the money to finance Doof and also where P&F get their money, Lindana made a great fortune which is in use actively by the shows top three mad scientists.
- They're also both Tyler Durden.
- No, that doesn't mean it's Jossed. It means that the person who is both Linda and Charlene is really a Time Lord. One is a regeneration of the other (which one's older/younger is up for debate).
- Linda and Charlene were college roommates. Linda may have introduced Heinz to Charlene.
- This makes sense, seeing as he seems fairly fluent in French in the runway episode.
- Ferb's grandparents don't like their daughter-in-law because of the traditional British-French rivalry. This continued animosity lead to Ferb's parents getting a divorce.
- This needs to be canon.
- I truly am in love with this theory, and whoever came up with it should be a writer, because it certainly should be Canon.
- If she's also an alien, she might pose as a French citizen. Also, if Lawrence/Max Modem's song "Alien Heart" is based on her, it means that the phrase "girl out of town" has a double meaning.
- Or Linda may have been interested in Greek things.
- I presume you mean "the daughter of Linda"?
- If Charlene is Phineas' mother, then where did he get his red hair?
- Corrected. Maybe the red hair could be a genetic mistake or something.
- Perhaps Linda IS either the egg donor, or the DNA donor. Thanks to recent advancements in medical science, Charlene could have donated an egg, Linda could have had one of her eggs fertilized by a random sperm donor (Doofenshmirtz in this case) (after all, we don't even know if Linda and Candace's dad were married), and Charlene carried Phineas to term.
- From here?
- All the other agents might have be involved in that same accident. All the agents participated in the same mission of great importance. Perry was probably held hostage (perhaps by Doofenshmirtz) and the agents arrive to get him out, which was a trap and they have all been transformed.
- Let's make a simpler WMG. See the "Perry isn't an ordinary platypus" WMG below.
- Come to think of it, this is a good explanation as to how Candace-2 is in the movie. And also how, even without any training at all, Candace-1 is able to wrestle an alligator into submission. In the water, no less. FOR CONCERT TICKETS. Clearly such skill is genetic.
- Especially athletic skills.
- If this is true, then the episode "I Was a Middle-Aged Robot" where Perry spends time with Candace in a father-daughter event and even cheats to make Candace win is a Heartwarming Moment.
- Note that this idea was based off of Doofenshmirtz being a sperm donator (see Doofenshmirtz is Phineas' biological father). As much as that makes sense, the above is simply stating what it does.
The reason we never hear anything about Phineas and Candace's biological father was that his abuse was SO bad Linda never mentions him again and Candace completely forgot him after he was gone. The zebra she see in her hallucinations calling her Kevin is actually calling her by her biological father's name and is probably a representation of one of the stuff toys Kevin used to torture her. And Candace's obsession with busting her brothers is her own way of giving herself any sort of self-worth.
- Related to the theory that the missing dad's voiced by Danny Jacob, all songs sung by him are actually sung by the dad a long time ago. Those songs coincidentally fits the experiences Phineas and Ferb were going through.
Level 100-size ego Roger Doofenshmirtz was of course a prolific sperm donor. His profile said "Very charming pillar of the community" or something like that. So, Linda went for it, twice.
Roger knows that Phineas and Candace are his children. Picking Candace as mayor for a day was a Batman Gambit to meet her, too bad the space continuum had to change.
- Unlikely, as she has no problem with them building a fort in "Thaddeus and Thor" and a boat in "The Lake Nose Monster" (though she isn't aware how large those projects actually were).
- Perhaps Professor Kevin Destructicon is his father and Candace's father (I just came up with that because of the zebra that calls Candace Kevin).
- Both of Phineas' depressions in "Summer Belongs to You" and "Christmas Vacation" were triggered by Candace yelling at him and blaming him for their problems. This caused Phineas to trigger memories of his early childhood and become mildly depressed.
- To sum everything up, Phineas is and always will be an enthusiastic, happy child, but when Candace blames him for something, it throws him into a pit of despair. (This may also happen if Phineas' biological father was ever mentioned.)
- That's....Nuts. Awesome!
- Let's say that it's Jossed before the episode actually started.
- And it IS jossed. But on the plus side, Kelly Clarkson was there!
- And that's why he doesn't talk much!
- He could have that surname because Phienas' paternal grandfather is Ohio Flynn or the Phineas from Steampunx.
- Doubt this will happen, as the creators have stated that they want to have a blended family that doesn't cause any problems for the characters.
- That wasn't the only episode to bring up the fact Ferb is actually Phineas and Candace's stepbrother. "At Last" a.k.a. "Candace Busts Phineas and Ferb" has a subtle reminder at Candace's song about the boys with that scene of Lawrence and Ferb joining them. "My Fair Goalie" has Phineas initially call Adrian Fletcher's children Ferb's cousins and Adrian just being acquainted to Phineas while there's no hint he never met Ferb before. "The Star Wars crossover has Phineas having to explain to his long-lost sister Candace that Ferb is their stepbrother. "The Best Lazy Day Ever" is open for debate since the only reminder there is a tv ad aimed for boys with stepbrothers.
- Hence, they invented "The Infinite Improbability Drive".
- So in other words, either P&F have a literal Deus ex Machina or God just loves to screw with the citizens of Danville?
- God must love to screw around Candace.
- This is supported by Candace's zebra hallucinations. Perhaps she keeps her fantasies in check for the most part except for what she imagines Phineas and Ferb doing - and when she doesn't, she loses all touch with reality. That would explain her hallucination in the episode where she didn't touch the hallucinogenic moss.
- Though there is something to be said for the placebo effect
- This would also explain the horrendous physics in the show - even compared to other cartoons. Hallucinations wouldn't require any logic.
- Also, Agent P is actually Candace's super-ego, which would explain why they seem to be connected (see below), and the adventures P has every episode are actually Candace's power fantasies and how she tries to justify her delusions disappearing to herself. And in 'reality', Doofenshmirtz is actually Candace's therapist (hence why he likes talking about miserable childhoods so much). 'The Cabinet of Dr Doofenshmirtz', anyone?
- Candace has a crush on her therapist, thus explaining any... 'awkward' moments between Perry and Doof.
- How could they? Epcot probably opened when their mom was Lindana.
- Time Travel?
- Or Phineas's biological father.
- How could they? Epcot probably opened when their mom was Lindana.
- That's... basically canon.
- If they weren't hit by the dull-and-boring inator, who was?
- The dynamics-inator part isn't much of a guess since it was already shown they regained their creativity out of their need to use it to save their sister and it was implied that Linda was the one hit by the dynamic-inator.
- Hmm, I don't know about Phineas, but maybe Charlotte...
- I don't want to speculate on what Isabella is on, but it's something strong. Really strong.
- She's high on love!
- This thread is funny, because I always thought their dad was on horse tranquilizers.
- Maybe Ferb is taking anti-depressants so he can stand being Phineas' slave, and Phineas controls Ferb with an invention.
- Can't we just say that Phineas is just happy?
- Sure we could. But what fun would that be?
- Exactly. Wild Mass Guessing, of course.
- Sure we could. But what fun would that be?
- Nah, Phineas just suffers from the rare, undocumented neurosis that is the opposite of clinical depression but not mania either.
- You mean hypomania (which is certainly not undocumented)? Considering Candace's hallucinations and how excitable she is, it could be genetic, and shows in Candace as some full-blown manic disorder.
- He was unhappy when he found out that he couldn't pull off "street."
- Yeah, he isn't ALWAYS happy. Part of his daily summer ideas come from being unsatisfied with something at that moment, such as complaining about how the portions at high-class restaurants are so small. Plus, you can't forgot his bail-out of a music deal when becoming a one-hit wonder! But most of the time, he IS deliriously happy.
- He's on a constant sugar high. (yes, it's quite possible to spend large periods of your childhood on a constant sugar high, this troper did)
- Supported because Linda makes sugary treats almost every episode.
- Phineas' parents' passive, almost neglectful parenting and the fact that they are a white family in a wealthy suburban environment makes be believe that they would definitely put him on some kind of pill, even if he didn't truly need it. Anti-depressants or the like is a very high possibility to me. Maybe both Phineas and Ferb are on them?
- Or maybe he's a Stepford Smiler
- Well, we do see him depressed in Summer Belongs to You.
- Yet that was near the end of 40 hours journey. It is consistent with the pills theory (the effect of the anti-depressants wore off).
- But don't forget his complaining earlier about how They've hardly done anything
- Yet that was near the end of 40 hours journey. It is consistent with the pills theory (the effect of the anti-depressants wore off).
- You guys clearly haven't taken anti-depressants ever. They does not make one happy all the time, they just keep you from being horribly depressed all the time.
- Which explains how he's never disappointed...but why is he always happy?
- I'm sure there's a name for this disorder but he has a disorder in which his emotions are extreme. He's never happy or sad. He's wonderful or depressed. His family couldn't stand seeing him depressed most of the time, so they gave him anti-depressants. Now all that's left is the extra happy.
- Bipolar Disorder... however, you give someone with Bipolar Disorder anti-depressants and it just pushes them more manic.
- Which explains how he's never disappointed...but why is he always happy?
- He may have taken them after the pilot "Rollercoaster" since he started out as irritable and sarcastic before Characterization Marches On.
- That would be the real reason why his voice was changing when he was "The Beak"?
- But isn't he a little young to know what a threesome is?
- Ferb taugh-er, I mean, yes. Yes he is.
- "Hey Ferb! I know who we're gonna do today!"
- just need to say this made me laugh like an idiot for about three minutes
- That's actually pretty plausible (minus the threesome part) in light of "The Chronicles of Meap." At the end he says he had Isabella's cuteness factored into the cuteness detector from the beginning. Except at the beginning of the episode he tells Isabella in unambiguous terms that he doesn't know anything or anyone cuter than Meap. So it looks like he finds Isabella cute, and knows that she wants him to notice her cuteness, but is reluctant to admit this. That or the writers goofed.
- Another thing that supports this theory is the end of the movie when Isabella kisses him. It basically forces him to momentarily show his true feelings for her as shown when he tries to stop the amnesia-inator from firing.
- It seemed more like Phineas really didn't know Isabella liked him, though his reaction seems to indicate he does like her.
- My impression is that he doesn't feel ready to commit to a relationship yet or thinks having a girlfriend will interfere with the daily activities. He always invites her to join in as compensation.
- Some time after reading this WMG, I watched Disco miniature Golfing Queen and in just about every Phineas-Stacy interaction, Phineas seemed very interested in her. Perhaps some sort of confirmation bias though.
- This troper, who admits to crushing on Stacy, thinks Phineas better watch out...
- "Put That Putter Away!" was one of the first episodes I ever watched, and I got the same impression. But then I watched more episodes and realized that Phineas gives that look to anyone who's dancing or singing with/in the vicinity of him. Including Ferb.
- That actually sounds really heartwarming. A little sad, but heartwarming none the less.
- Several people do think Doof is a pharmacist at first glance.
- OR: the series is a chain of Phineas' psychotic hallucinations and delusions. Why is Phineas always happy? He's ON FREAKIN' ANTIPSYCHOTICS! Candace's fixation with busting him is his brain trying to snap him back to reality. Isabella represents his sexual frustrations and fantasies, Perry is his superego (saving the world is pretty fantastic), Dr. D is his id (some people just want to watch the Tri-Stae area burn) and Ferb is his ego (level-headed). The activities the boys get up to represent wishful thinking and regret: in the real world, Phineas may not have spent much time with Ferb and maybe even despised him. The escapades serves as a mechanism to ease the guilt.
- This troper for one does not want to think about the notion of demon path Phineas.
- After seeing Mission Marvel with Phineas losing it at Candace and pretty much scolds her, one can only wonder what will happen in future specials...
- Seconded. I've always thought this.
- laughs maniacally*
- YES. I was thinking this too, I just didn't think to put it up. *included in fanfic*
- Or better yet, a evil Phineas from an alternate future will come back in time and kill Candace because it was her busting that caused him to turn to the dark side.
- Or maybe Doofenshmirtz builds his Ultimate Evil-inator (from "Where's Perry?") and hits Phineas with it.
- A rare disorder which forms the head into an odd triangular shape. It also stimulates the brain, hence his vast intelligence.
- He also doesn't really make eye contact. I think you're on to something.
- Actually, I just see Ferb as the Teller to Phineas' Penn.
- Why you think he was the one that exposed Perry in his dream?
- Ferb didn't discover that soon but started suspecting ever since he and Phineas found that secret base with Phineas assumes Ferb has built. He knew that platypus-themed vehicle was too small for his parents and for Candace and he also knew Phineas wasn't the secret agente.
- See the Nelson Textbook of Pediatrics 17th Edition, pages 2097, 2325, 2328, 2332 and 2339. Some details of Ferb are quite consitents with the Marfan Syndrome abnormalities.
- No, I don't know what you mean.
- She likes Baljeet.
- No, that's Ginger. What about Adyson?
- I'm assuming the OP made the assumption that because Adyson is the most "butch" of the girls, that automatically makes her a lesbian.
- She likes Baljeet.
- Every girl except those three? What about Candace?
- Every female child?
- Jossed. Sort of... She's a punk, not a goth.
- That part of "Unfair Science Fair Redux" is probably a parody of the serial Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe, where Professor Zarkoff can randomly speak the language of primitive superstitious aliens, which is actually reversed tape of the lines in English. If we follow that parody, then Ferb's knowledge of Martian language is because the Martians' more advanced ancestors colonized part of Earth, died out, but passed their language on to a Native American tribe that Ferb coincidentally studied.
- The fact that a real-life set designer named Frank, nicknamed "Ferb" by his wife, it the character's namesake doesn't have to carry over to the show. Candice doesn't remember what "Ferb" stands for. If it was such a common name it would more likely have stuck in her mind.
- Candace couldn't remember the word aglet even after she witnessed Awesome Music performance that included multiple spellings of the word...
- Its short for Ferbanacci.
- I thought it was Ferbouche...
- In the Lake Nose Monster, it's shown that he gets a big reaction even when people don't like what he's saying: "Hey, everyone! That British kid is saying something really, really boring!"
- I don't know... Ferb looks obviously like his father, especially his grandfather, a sign that the father (Lawrence) is Ferb's biological father.
- True...But can't faeries shapeshift? ((Would also possibly explain the muscle thing from "No More Bunny Business.))
- My theory is that he's a faerie and nobody knows it but his side of the family, and they've all learned to accept it by now. I think that he could have been bargained for (because if you give faeries what they want, they'll give you what YOU want, although it's at a price) and that he was sort of arranged so that he looked like his dad. He doesn't know he's a changeling and nobody will ever tell him unless another faerie comes back to get him.
True, while he and Phineas went after the likes of Klimpaloon, El Chupacabra and Nosey, but one can argue the latter two are more scientific than supernatural, and Ferb had nothing to fear from the benevolent sentient old-timey swimsuit. Especially when you compare something like Klimpaloon to the idea your stepsister has the ability to turn you to stone if you look her in the eye.
- So Candace and Jeremy weren't meant to be?
- Maybe he's gay.
- He did seem pretty interested in DD
- Maybe he's gay.
- Or the entire cast is gender flipped and slightly renamed to avoid embarrassing the actual family.
- So Kevin wants to bust his little sisters, Vanessa and Vern (short for Veronica), because their inventive activities aren't ladylike.
- Or Kevin Flynn is a flatchested cross dresser?
- Kevin Flynn is a computer programmer.
- Possible. You can see BOTH future-Candaces in Roller-coaster; the musical.
- More then likely, it's not an eyeball, but that thing in the middle of nervous system, whatever it's called.
- Maybe it's just something that she ate. The eye "moved" because of the fluid flow.
- More then likely, it's not an eyeball, but that thing in the middle of nervous system, whatever it's called.
- 'The Wizard of Odd' proves this theory further, as the one who plays the wicked witch of the west was not Suzy, but Doofenshmirtz himself. And from what I can tell, it's not a Dream Within a Dream
- Jossed. Two words; "Aunt Isabella".
- She only kills one of them, then. Or Isabella was integrated into the family before her spouse was killed.
- This WMG has "sketch on Robot Chicken" written all over it.
- She only kills one of them, then. Or Isabella was integrated into the family before her spouse was killed.
- Or just an animal with a white eyeball.
- To take that even further, the zebra was Kevin's pet.
- To take that even further, Kevin was some kind of warrior and the zebra was his mighty steed!
- To take that even further, the zebra is not only Kevin's mighty steed, but a magic zebra, and that's why he can talk. Also, Candace and the zebra will go on all sorts of epic adventures together.
- And maybe Perry is the reincarnation of the Talking Zebra.
- To take that even further, Kevin was some kind of warrior and the zebra was his mighty steed!
- I think her busting/non-busting has remained pretty much constant. I haven't made a graph or anything, that's just my perception. There have been non-busting episodes since almost the beginning. About a quarter of the way into Season 1 there was a string of three non-busting episodes in a row. So it's not like this is a new trend.
- This troper agrees with this theory as I once went through a list of the episodes and noticed that there were a surprising number of episodes in which Candace either says she's going to bust her brothers but doesn't follow through on it, or where she doesn't even bring up her busting obsession at all.
- The busting to non-busting ratio has shifted somewhat. Of the 24 episodes aired so far in Season 3, there are 12 where Candace either doesn't try to bust Phineas and Ferb, or makes only a brief attempt. This is a substantial drop from Season 2, where she made a considerable effort to bust them in 42 out of 63 episodes (not counting dreams or clip shows). Surprisingly, she was less busting-crazy in Season 1, but still made serious attempts in the majority of the episodes (27 out of 45, not counting "The Monster of Phineas 'n' Ferbenstein" or "Phineas and Ferb Get Busted"). In conclusion: This troper has too much spare time.
- OP here— it just occurred to me that the above might not have been the best explanation. I meant that Candace is getting a lot more lax when it comes to asking the boys for help, and may end up making the equivalent of a Heel–Face Turn sometime after Across the Second Dimension, and end up teaming up with them more often than not. (Whether that totally eliminates the busting thing or not is subject for debate, though.)
- Candace and Isabella seem to be friends, or at least they get along well together (vide "Got Game," "Out to Launch"). She's never tried to bust Isabella for her contributions to Phineas and Ferb's projects (she was the only kid involved in the charade in "Not Phineas and Ferb" whose mother Candace didn't call), and I don't think she's ever so much as scolded her. So I really don't think Candace is trying to drive a wedge between her and Phineas.
- Remember that the cruelest comment Candace has ever made to Isabella is: "Or Ferb".
- If "Or Ferb" occurs it will be because Isabella is trying to make Phineas jealous, but this backfires because he's gay.
- Ferb isn't gay. Thank you, and have a nice day.
- I think he's saying Phineas is gay (which I also don't agree with).
- Let's settle on they're all bisexual and chill.
- Remember that the cruelest comment Candace has ever made to Isabella is: "Or Ferb".
- ...but only when her sense of reality is 'weakened'; whether it be because she thinks she's hallucinating or dreaming. In Across the 2nd Dimension they run through a dimension with the Talking Zebra and he's holding a newspaper that declares that Kevin(what he calls Candace) won the Presidential election, and in an earlier episode the zebra even mentions voting for Kevin/Candace.
- Jossed: Phineas and Ferb are so not Nazis, but the Candace/Anne theory kinda makes sense...
- Plus, the Smile Away Reformatory Candace/Perry dreamt about was technically a child-friendly parody of Auschwitz. and ATSD gets A LOT from World War 2, with the dictators, hiding, and resistance...
Is Phineas and Ferb somehow set in a city which suffered World War 2? (makes sense because of "Battle of Danville")
- "Fireside Girl Jamboree" had implied that Candace hasn't been a Fireside Girl before, so Jossed?
- That should also explain the dream in "Wizard of Odd", since Perry appeared when Candace woke up, it might be the dream of both of them.
- It would also explain why a lot of the time when Perry foils Doofenshmirtz's plot it ends up making Phineas and Ferb's project disappear; because subconsciously Candace doesn't want the boys to be caught (because if she's not busting the brothers then... Who is Candace?).
- I assume that this mind like was created when Candace and Perry switched bodies.
- They're both devoted to stopping the plans of someone(s) who can build physics-defying devices
- We've seen that she has medicine for Wild Parsnips so maybe Candace has medication for her lactose intolerance.
- She wouldn't remember Perry's experience in her body, but her own experience in Perry's.
- Also, she didn't share her dream with Perry, it was a Dream Within a Dream.
- In "Phineas' Birthday Clip-o-Rama" Ferb seems to know enough about it to be able to parody Perry's entrances to the lair.
- In Phineas and Ferb The Movie: Across the 2nd Dimension, Phineas is the only one of the siblings who truly seems surprised that Perry was a secret agent. Candace even states that, out of everything that happened, Perry being a secret agent made the most sense.
- That same song explicitly states that 'he' is a he. The egg-laying part can refer to the species itself. What's more, when watching soap opera in one episode, he/she clearly appears to be unshaven (if it's possible for a furry animal). So even if she's a female, she has some serious hormonal problems.
- Also, male platypi have a poisonous spur in their hind foot. Doofenshmirtz should have been paralyzed by now because he's constantly kicked by Perry.
- Pet platypi probably have their spurs removed (much like pet skunks have their stink glands taken out)
- Plus, Perry's a gender-neutral name.....and Candace was sweating milk in his body that one episode....
- This would make her a lesbian according to her theme song or at least the women in her theme song's video.
- Or they just can't tell by sight.
- I've always assumed that when Candace and Perry switched bodies they actually swapped some of their gender characteristics as well. For example, because Candace is a girl and is now in Perry's body Perry('s body) is now able to sweat milk. Likewise, Candace('s body) does not have breasts (however we can't tell because she was already flat-chested), and everything was switched back to normal when P&F got Candace's and Perry's brains in their correct places. As for the leg spurs, they were probably removed when Perry became the family pet, or perhaps already had been when he was adopted. In short, Perry is undoubtedly male.
- Platypode are recognizable by their ability to lay eggs, as well as being semi-aquatic; therefore, they're not necessarily saying Perry lays eggs, they could just be saying he's a platypus without using the actual word.
- (Nice use of "platypode") Also, considering he is a pet, isn't it likely that he would have had the spurs removed when the family bought him, like how skunks have their stink-glands removed?
- Yes, but I can't see why the family wouldn't spare themselves the expense of the operation if the deviation from the ideal was one as small as gender.
- Perhaps domesticated platypi don't have spurs.
- Or the OWCA removed the spurs so that Perry wouldn't kill or permanently harm Dr. Doofenshmirtz.
- Yes, but I can't see why the family wouldn't spare themselves the expense of the operation if the deviation from the ideal was one as small as gender.
- Plus it's been established that Doofenshmirtz Wouldn't Hit a Girl. Granted he might not be able to tell either.
- Yeah but neither the boys nor Candace seemed surprised that Perry had laid an egg (well, he actually didn't but they thought he had)
- Obviously the blame then falls on the lackluster Danvillian school system and their subpar sex education program.
- Also noticed that when Perry sweats, milk comes out. Even the times that Candace wasn't in its body.
- It's pretty obvious in cartoons that sweat could be white.
- That's not biologically possible.
- If you mean the part about sweating milk, yes it is. Platypi sweat milk.
- Nope, in "No More Bunny Business", Perry sweated normal sweat, which would be blue. As for sweat being white, animation error/lighting?
- It's pretty obvious in cartoons that sweat could be white.
- Maybe Perry's a hermaphrodite.
- In the episode "Perry Lays An Egg", when the new transporter device sucks off the hair of Perry, you can clearly see he's wearing boxers.Pause at 1:02 Don't even give me the "girls wear boxers", because there's no bra.
- That's because he's a platypus, duh. They don't have mammary glands.
- Ahem. He's a semi-aquatic egg-laying MAMMAL of action.
- Sorry, my mistake. They do have mammary glands. My point still stands, however, as they have no nipples (they sweat out the milk). There's literally nothing to cover.
- Well, except for the bottom of course.
- In here, there's a Perry model with boxers. It has an cross on it? Do breastless females have a cross on their chest when their naked?
- That's because he's a platypus, duh. They don't have mammary glands.
- In "My Fair Goalie", Perry goes to the boy's bathroom instead of the girl's bathroom.
- Which raises a question as to why Doof has a boys' and a girls' bathroom in his apartment...
- Because his lair is public? Because the creators want to reveal Perry's gender?
- He has a teenage daughter, do you really think Vanessa would agree to share a restroom with men?
- This troper likes to think Perry is a trans guy. Maybe he somehow communicated so to OWCA before being adopted, and since I really doubt the average person would be able to tell the difference between platypus sexes, they probably just informed the Flynn-Fletchers they were adopting a male platypus.
- A male platypus has internal testes, and the penis is retracted except when it's aroused, so it's believable that the family would be unsure of Perry's gender (if we go with the common guess that his spurs were removed, and assume that they were already gone by the time they got Perry second-hand). It is possible to sex a platypus by sight, but it takes some research to know what you're looking for.
- They're both not treated seriously (and probably treated quite poorly). Candace isn't treated seriously when she tries to bust her brothers, while in Perry's case, Major Monogram and Carl would occasionally joke around with him despite the serious personality he has.
- In "Gaming the System", Perry wore a ball gown which is suitable for Candace when struck with the Ball Gown-inator. When Phineas, Ferb, Isabella, and Dr. Doofenshmirtz were struck, the dresses fit.
- The song Perry the Teenage Girl is supposed to describe Perry the Platypus in Candace's body (justified as one of the lyrics says that she's a girl with a platypus's brain). But then the song is more suited with Candace, complete with a parachute with Jeremy's face on it.
- Alt. Candace acts quite like Perry the Platypus. Just look at the preview!
- In the Across the Second Dimension trailer, the mystery figure (which turned out to be a shrub) appeared right before Perry the Platypus when the audience were supposed to think that the mystery figure's gonna be "the agent that fits the bill". Then in the movie itself, the mystery figure appeared and the audience were supposed to think that the mystery figure is supposed to the leader of the Resistance, which turns out to be Alternate Candace.
- In the movie, Alternate Candace also acts similar to Perry. They both deeply care about Phineas and Ferb, they're both badass, serious, and doesn't have time to do their normal daily things.
- Perry the Platypus actually knew The Talking Zebra, according to "Phineas and Ferb Get Busted!"
- So he goes to great lengths to repeatedly enter the bedroom of an underage girl without anyone's permission so he can spend time in bed with her? I think Fridge Brilliance and Fridge Horror have just met.
- Especially if you believe one of the WMG's above, that Candace and Perry are telepathically linked somehow.
- The echidna, an insectivorous egg-laying mammal of evil. It's got more than just mad skills (it's got non-detachable quills).
- If it's a super-strong, red echidna with dreadlocks, then this troper will find a way to watch the episode where it appears.
- Echidnas hate Platypi or... Platypuses um... Platypeople err... whatever, anyway Echidnas hate them because they get all of the credit for being egg laying mammals.
- Non-detachable quills? The creators seriously need to throw this in somewhere. Seriously.
- The Enemy of the Platypus is Man.
- Semi-jossed, since Perry the Platypus (and therefore Agent P) is a domesticated platypus.
- Semi-confirmed, since "Doctor" Heinz Doofenshmirtz is the archenemy of Perry the Platypus.
- Really good cheese.
- Perry the Platypus' weakness is anything endangering Phineus and Ferb.
- Considering Perry always comes back just fine, they probably just don't see a reason to be concerned anymore.
- They still allow Perry to ride on Steve with them, though.
- Yeah, you were. Sometimes Agent P wears disguises while not wearing his hat.
- True, but those disguises could have been specially designed.
- How about at the episode "It's All About Time"? Perry wasn't wearing a hat during Mr. Feelbetter's show, isn't he?
- Curse you TV tropes writer!
- Yeah, you were. Sometimes Agent P wears disguises while not wearing his hat.
- that's the exact reason why he wouldn't know. If he follows Phineas and Ferb every second, hes not concerned with Perry and is focusing on them.(especially to hear them say the line "wheres Perry?") Although he probably has records of times Perry disappears and comes back...
- In "Phineas' Birthday Clip-o-Rama", he has clips of pretty much everything...including a scene with Poofenplotz. So he knows Pinky's secret, so he must know Perry's!
- Due to all the fourth wall bashing in that episode, it probably can't be treated as canon. Not to mention that he also has clips from episodes that turned out to be all a dream.
- Maybe he's that creepy of a fan.
- In "Phineas' Birthday Clip-o-Rama", he has clips of pretty much everything...including a scene with Poofenplotz. So he knows Pinky's secret, so he must know Perry's!
- But the show is still going. It seems too good to end soon - and Disney Channel can stretch out shows for a long time.
- The show is in non-chronological order, a la Haruhi Suzumiya.
- Though some episodes do make reference to past episodes, notably in Doofs "I already told you that flashback" moments to Perry, and sometimes the boys/friends/Candace reffer to past projects... And of course the episode dealing with the Camera across the street that has recorded everything from the projects to Perry's comings and goings.
- So? It could still be in non-chronological order.
- As long as they don't make a Groundhog Day loop à la Haruhi, endless eight anyone?
- The show is in non-chronological order, a la Haruhi Suzumiya.
- How so? Real platypi would see everyone real, but from a low vantage point.
- This was supposed to be like the "We see Springfield through the eyes of Maggie Simpson" theory.
- Perry might be Phineas and Candace's biological father, having memories of Phineas and Candace and all. But the problem is that he doesn't seem to have some special relationship to Linda Flynn. Thus this theory showed up.
- First of all, Perry wouldn't eat things that were part of his diet, as shown in "Brain Drain" where Perry was in disgust when he ate a bug. Platypi are insectivores, you know.
- On the other hand, Perry usually eats platypus food, which (according to Linda in "Does This Duckbill...?") is made from grubs and earthworms.
- It might be because platypi usually eat insect larvae, not the adults (which they aren't very good at catching).
- Another explanation just occurred to me: It might have disgusted him because it was filthy, not because it was a bug. It was a fly from a landfill, after all.
- Platypi don't dream. No REM = No dream. Perry did dream during "Phineas and Ferb Get Busted!".
- That's a misconception. See: http://www.nature.com/news/1998/980813/full/news980813-5.html and http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90228565
- That doesn't stop the fact that (most people think that) platypi don't dream.
- Perry uses a small breathing device (similar to the one James Bond used in Thunderball) and sometimes full scuba gear when swimming underwater, even though platypi are capable of functioning underwater for reasonably long periods.
- There's one scene in "Interview with a Platypus" where Perry doesn't need a breathing device while swimming.
- Perhaps he could only swim for a while, unable to swim as long as an ordinary platypus.
- There's one scene in "Interview with a Platypus" where Perry doesn't need a breathing device while swimming.
- Obviously, he acts like a human, besides acting like a mindless pet in front of the Flynn-Fletcher family.
- He can't be a robot, since in "Oh, There You Are, Perry", Perry is seen as a younger platypus.
- A younger robot platypus?
- He can't be a robot, since in "Oh, There You Are, Perry", Perry is seen as a younger platypus.
- In the background of Perry's underground lair (more like Major Monogram's) there are some equipment that were unused, like a jetpack. One of the suits looks like it's human-sized, which means there might be some human agents working for the O.W.C.A.
- In "Quantum Boogaloo", it is shown that Perry would live a longer life-span than even the domestic platypi in real life.
- He also could be a platypus with a microchip in his brain that enables him to do almost everything.
- My bet is there's something about those hats. Given that any critter (even Kevin herself) turns secret agent with a hat.
- Then how could the "mindless animals" even have the intelligence to wear the hat?
- Perry still acts like a human if he doesn't wear a hat (see "Oil on Candace", "It's About Time!"). Or perhaps Perry's just an exception, which is only possible further proof that Perry used to be a human.
- And he's green because of the genetic modifications! But wait... ALL the platypi in Danville are green. Beat So they're all mutants!
- FWIW I've always imagined him sounding like Samuel L Jackson.
- Daniel Craig or Sean Connery, just 'cause.
- This troper, thinking that Perry's Phineas and Candace's biological father and all, thinks that either Dee Bradley Baker or Danny Jacob should do Perry's human voice.
- Maybe Meap's mustache translator will work on Perry.
- He even had time to see Phineas and Ferb's projects, proved in Across the Second Dimension.
- Perhaps he's the "Mysterious Force".
- Maybe, but out of all the OWCA's secret agents, he's definitely the awesome...est. Proof? Just watch the movie.
- Perry's not awesome? *universe implodes*
- He did promptly defeat the Regurgitator after being set free though. So there are several alternatives to this:
- Perry is awesome at fighting but not (as) much at getting out of traps. Which isn't that far fetched; after all, there've been a few times where he got out of Doof's traps through sheer luck or outside help.
- Perry was biding his time and would've gotten out in the end.
- Perry was Genre Savvy and knew he would get out somehow, even if he didn't have a specific plan in mind.
- Jossed.
- Jossed. It's even less interesting as Perry only served as a model for the product.
Their younger brother was going to be named "Bartholomew", so Phineas and Ferb chose that name, innocently seeing their new pet as a Replacement Goldfish. Their parents made them change it, volunteering the name "Perry" instead—would you let your kids name a new pet after a recently-deceased sibling? Little did they know that, by some miraculous twist of fate, their child had been given a second chance at life.
Not much more to say here, except that if you watch The Movie, Perry acts very brotherly toward Phineas...
- Or fatherly, which is part of the theory that he's Phineas and Candace's biological father.
- My god... This makes so much sense...
- I doubt it. After all, he is just a platypus. They don't do much.
- As of "Rollercoaster," This is canon.
Alternatively, Perry sees Phineas and Ferb's inventions with some spy camera, and each time Perry spies on them, Danny Jacob's voice occurs, which could come from any living being, making it some kind of "leitmotif". This explains why kids, women, and even aliens are voiced by him.
- If Cheers for Fears takes place before the movie, then this is confirmed canon.
- Let's not forget the amount of yaoi content featuring them(there's ALOT of fanart).
- Doof even gets disappointed when Perry won't follow the routine, or Perry isn't the one to thwart him. He even allies with him in events like defeating the Regurgitator. They also spend some bonding time when they get lost in the desert, where Doof gives Perry his jetpack after he finds it on a dinosaur.
- But still, they don't really get along.
- Perry almost certainly cannot speak, as when he (disguised as Dr Lloyd Wexler) is asked by Doofenshmirtz to read something in [[A Hard Day's Knight Phineas And Ferb A Hard Days Night]] he needed to use a recording, and he was unable to explain to Phineas thae reason he kept his identity secret in [2]. Also, [[Mind Share Phineas And Ferb Mind Share]] makes it clear that [3], which explains why Candace could speak in Perry's body.
- This would only make sense if Candace has any interest in drawing at all. Or story making. So far this troper has yet to see Candace like this.
- Yes, I know that that part is a bit of stretch. But it was the only thing I could think of to make this theory work.
This leads me to my next theory...
- Jossed. According to Word of God, Love Händel was a rare 90s Hair Band.
- But there are serious problems with that explanation. In the flashback, the audience is shown with stereotypical 80s hair and clothing. Plus the TV special said "but styles were changing..." That makes it clear that Love Händel's musical style had widespread popularity at the time, meaning it must have been the 80s. They were probably one of the many New Wave groups that disbanded between 1986 and 89 (e.g. a Flock of Seagulls, Spandau Ballet, OMD, Culture Club, Journey, A-ha, Kajagoogoo, Men at Work).
- Also, nothing in "Phineas and Ferb get Busted" can be taken at face value since it was a dream within a dream.
- This is very possibly canon with the father since he knows about the monster truck rally in "It's a Mud, Mud, Mud World". Both sets of grandparents certainly know as they've been party to several of the boys missions.
- The father knowing? Established canon. The mother knowing? Not so canon, but an interesting possibility. She uses obfuscating ignorance to keep Candace in line. After all, if her teen daughter is wasting her energy obsessing over her brothers, she isn't out experimenting with drugs, alcohol and/or boys.
- The "mom's birthday" episode probably establishes she knows. After all they did surely she has to suspect something.
- Nothing happens in the episode that displays the boys' amazing inventing/building skills. Remember, the first thing she saw was the breakfast buffet, where adults were already present. She probably assumes the adults built the stage and setup the satellite link to Lawrence. It's mind-bogglingly expensive (could confirm Danville as a haven for eccentric billionaires), but she saw nothing to indicate that Phineas and Ferb did everything.
- Besides, when she did find out about Phineas and Ferb's inventing skills, her reaction wasn't that good or happy. See episodes 'Phineas and Ferb Get Busted' or 'Phineas and Ferb's Quantum Boogaloo' to get a better understanding of my gist. Then again....
- Well, there will be a Season 3 episode where Phineas and Ferb knows that their mother is Lindana...
- It just aired in Latin America.
- Confirmed.
- And Baljeet
- Semi-confirmed. Lawrence did do the "Kikikikiki"-like laughter once he got evil, but not with Linda.
- What?
- Well, did she ride this Phine-taur? Many girls ride horses because riding them can induce orgasms (Just stating facts!) so in her mind this would be G-rated sex.
- Yes. Yes she did. Twice, in the same episode, to boot.
- Isabella loves horses (shown many times) and loves Phineas (ditto), so it's not surprising that the two would come together in her mind...
- Alternatively, if Candace marries Jeremy, Isabella marries Suzy.
- Three problems with this theory. 1. Phineas and Ferb will probably not share things as much as they do now once they get older. 2. Isabella just wants Phineas and doesn't want to divide her attention between him and Ferb, as shown in "Out to Launch" and "Canderemy." 3. It's not what either camp of shippers want to happen.
- Calling this as her Crowning Moment of Awesome in Across the Second Dimension.
- Jossed.
- Amanda (Candace's daughter) referred to Isabella as 'Aunt Isabella'. Quite the shame, as this would be really really awesome.
- Perhaps Amanda is actually Phineas' daughter. You see, Phineas has probably been traveling for a long time, making every day a great day in every nation across the globe. Amanda calls Candace "mom" for one of two reasons: either it's easier and faster to say "mom" than it is to say "Aunt Candace," or she's lived with her so long it's second nature (like how the kids call Lawrence "Dad"). She only calls Isabella "Aunt Isabella" to differentiate because she calls her biomom "Mommy." I also have another more complex theory, but I think I'll just make a new WMG out of it.
- Why?
- Because Status Quo Is God in Phineas and Ferb, therefore Phineas will never figure out that Isabella loves him. Ever.
- Until the finale.
- There is the fact that the status quo isn't entirely the same as when things started; recurring characters have appeared, relationships have changed. It's still unlikely to happen.
- There will be a finale? I assume it will be And the Adventure Continues implying that once the show ends, they'll continue to have offscreen adventures in the same statusquo.
- Because Status Quo Is God in Phineas and Ferb, therefore Phineas will never figure out that Isabella loves him. Ever.
- Altered and seconded with the Grand Finale Theory on the main WMG page.
- This troper actually had a similar theory in which Heinz's parents were actually his step parents who ended up adopting him. This is due to him mentioning that neither of his parents showed up on the day of his birth (which is just odd) and that he was raised by ocelots. It might also explain why his parents favor his younger brother Roger over him.
- Actually, in this theory Heinz's abusive parents were his birth parents. It's pretty much proven by their similar looks. And this troper also thinks that it's their country tradition to be harsh to their first child so they could become mentally and physically strong and take care of the family when the father dies, which Heinz failed to be because he is some neurological disorder savant. So Heinz compares them to ocelots.
- Well, I never meant that my theory was completely similar to yours, I just meant they were kind of similar. Also, in my theory I would probably explain his abusive parents similar appearances to him by saying that they were distant relatives of his. Although your theory makes sense too.
- Jossed in the ocelots part. In Across the Second Dimension, he said that he was literally raised by them.
- Actually, in this theory Heinz's abusive parents were his birth parents. It's pretty much proven by their similar looks. And this troper also thinks that it's their country tradition to be harsh to their first child so they could become mentally and physically strong and take care of the family when the father dies, which Heinz failed to be because he is some neurological disorder savant. So Heinz compares them to ocelots.
- I'm sorry, I just couldn't stop laughing after reading that; it also explains why he tried to futilely stuff himself down the toilet...
- you know thinking about it.... that kinda reminds me of my boyfriends birthday party last year
- He was high because of the pressurized air he was breathing!
- So, in real life, his wife don't believe there's no such thing as drug addicts?
- No... Just... no. This is just too f***ing depressing!
- I've already made a similar WMG along time ago. See the above entries for more details.
- In the commentary for 50 feet sister , Doof admits to Monogram to own a platinum disk.
- He also might be the one who choreographed the musical scene in "Bullseye!". You know, being in the center and stuff.
- It makes a lot of sense.
- This explains why he became a were-cow in the Halloween special rather than a bull, and also how, as an above WMG suggests, he is Ferb's biological mother.
- Doofenshmirtz suffers surprisingly few Groin Attacks from Perry given how much physical comedy is involved in their fight scenes.
- He does lampshade stuff often...
- (OP) So which troper do you think has the highest likelihood of being Doof?
- Curse you, Troper the Platypus!!
- Well, apparently Dan Povenmire is one so that's gotta count for something.
- Jossed; we see his family (mainly his brother) show up.
- English-speaking? Who said anything about English-speaking? The only English word we've heard in flashbacks is 'no', and Doofenshmirtz has a pretty heavy accent.
- Jossed.
- Dr. Doofenshmirtz had to deal with explosions though, but there's no Blow-Itself-Up-Inator.
- If he does, then so does Dr. Diminuitive, who failed to recognize that Newton (or possibly Gnewton?) the Gnu is actually his nemesis, Agent Silent G, until Doof blew his cover in "Agent Doof."
This could mean that, before he met his first girlfriend Elizabeth, he was in a OWCA program to create a new Super Soldier. The program went defunct, and they had to wipe and rewrite all of Doofenshmirtz's memories. He still has some hidden powers, and OWCA still consider him a threat, so they set up their number one agent, Agent P, to hunt him down and keep him from using those powers.
- The video of Doofenshmirtz rollerskating into the toilet was likely a test for superhuman abilities; after the experiment's failure, it was disguised as a viral video so that no one would suspect the truth.
- Alternate theory: Doofenshmirtz used to work for OWCA as their top scientist. Carl was his apprentice. However, he was always under-appreciated by everyone in the organization, especially from Major Monogram, except Carl (but he technically doesn't count because Heinz finds him somewhat annoying). He and Perry were close friends, Perry was the only one who ever cares for him. Perry might even have been his "lab animal" (each agent has a scientist), or they were both colleagues while Perry was human (see WMG way below). One day, he hopes to get promoted, but Carl is the who got it, to both Carl and Heinz's surprise. Fed up with lack of respect and recognition, he fled the agency and stole all of their equipment. Perry was shocked and upset when he hears about this. That's why it became his mission to stop Doofenshmirtz's schemes, because he still sees him as his friend, which is why they always appear as close friends in the show. He hopes to somehow get him to rejoin OWCA.
- Jossed. Carl is an intern, so he can't have stolen a promotion. Also, we've seen Perry and Doofenshmirtz's first encounter, when he was already a villain.
- Yeah, this alternative theory has my vote.
- Alternatively, Doofenshmirtz is still Future!Phineas, but after a summer activity sent him back in time and scrambled his memory, hence why both of his "parents" didn't show up for his birth. He only has a vague inkling as to what to do each day and does them to complete a Stable Time Loop. Furthermore, this explains why Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated's building looks like Ferb's head.
- Then how do you explain the Bad Future in "Quantum Boogaloo"? And what about the second dimension? If this theory is true, we have a Temporal Paradox where Doof/Phineas subverts his own existence from the events of the show onward. long version
- Don't forget that Doofenshmirtz and Linda Flynn used to date prior to her pop star career. If this theory is correct, than that means future Phineas once went on a date with his own mother.
- That would explain why there are so many mad scientists in Danville.
- And Perry's second job is to keep an eye on Phineas and Ferb, preventing those guys from doing the same thing with the boys.
- They have already named the organization in the show, the League Of Villainous Evildoers Manically United For Frightening Investments in Naughtiness, or L.O.V.E.M.U.F.F.I.N. for short
- Dr. Frogg is so gonna get sued.
- Jossed: he only uses them for personal gain, one episode outright showed that by having some random guy telling Doof that his invention which lets you eat all you want but never gain weight was awesome. Guy: You should totally patent that, you'll make millions! Doof: Don't tell me how to run my life.
What if, prior to beginning his career of evil, Heinz started a pharmacy in order to fund his future schemes.note Predictably, it wasn't very successful. This could explain where he got his white lab coat from and why he gets irritated when the townsfolk tend to mistake him for one at first glance. After all, who wants to be reminded of embarrasing past blunders?
- Wouldn't that make him a cyborg? Well, I guess it would depend on what the other 65% is.
- Or he was in an accident which caused him to have robotic limbs.
- So does he also have a grudge against all robots, and they're the reason why he keeps sending Perry after Doofenshmirtz?
- Or he was in an accident which caused him to have robotic limbs.
- Aren't all of O.W.C.A.'s secret agents animals? (Well, besides Planty the Potted Plant.)
- Major Monogram being a secret agent doesn't necessarily means that he worked for O.W.C.A.. Perhaps he used to work at another institution.
- His impressive fighting prowess in "Where's Perry?" could point to a history as an agent.
- Perhaps Major Monogram is Isabella's uncle.
- I really do think that Mrs Monogram is somehow related with the mexican side of Isabella's family. That would explain why Monogram and Isabella are related in Doof Dynasty, but they make in a way it wasn't by blood.
- Jossed in the family Christmas special. He was not shown as part of Isabella's clan on either side.
- Her father didn't appear in the clan either... or did he?
- Isabella's mother is front and center on the mother's side of the lineage. On the Jewish side of the lineage, a man in a brown suit was in a similar formation (front row on the left) to Isabella's mother. That man is Isabella's father. She got her hair color from her mother.
- If he's Isabella's father then he would be standing next to her mother. Then again, Major Monogram didn't stand next to Isabella's mother either...
- It's possible they did it that way to show that half of her family is Jewish and the other half of her family is Mexican.
- Her father didn't appear in the clan either... or did he?
- Nah, Major Monogram is probably Isabella's stepfather, since Isabella didn't call Major Monogram "Dad". Plus we didn't know how did Isabella knew Major Monogram's name. It might also be the reason why Isabella and her mother's last name isn't "Monogram".
- If that was the case, then Isabella wouldn't have had to lose her memories at the end of "Across The Second Dimension".
- Not if he didn't want them to know, you know possibly putting them in danger.
- This might relate to the WMG way above.
- Isabella: 12-13. Almost certainly the same age as Phineas. Her leadership of the Fireside Girls supports this. Girls tend to develop emotionally a bit quicker than guys as well, so that explains her crush on Phineas, but his not entirely reciprocating yet. He still likes her a lot, but he's not wired for romance quite yet. She is most likely older than Phineas, perhaps the difference of several months.
- Buford: Almost 13. He was the hardest one to place. Some episodes (like "Voyage to the Bottom of Buford") make him seem younger, just a bit overgrown, but that could be a problem with mental/emotional development. I decided to skew a bit older to play it safe.
- Baljeet: 11 going on 12. He's younger than the other members of the group, but definitely around their age enough to be unsupervised so much and to be a regular part of their activities.
- Mishti: 11 or 12. She's never implied to be anything other than the same age as Baljeet. Though she "becomes a girl" between when Baljeet came to America and when she shows up in "That Sinking Feeling", it's not unheard of for puberty to start at around that age in girls.
- Django: 10 or just turned 11. Definitely younger than his friends, and probably the youngest of the group. It also explains why he's not around much since he most likely is still around the age of needing more parental supervision (that, or he tends to hang around with more people his own age).
- Albert: 19. His know-it-all attitude, the fact that he goes away to school, and his voice imply that he's off in college, but also that he's still in the 'lord it over the younger people' phase of development into adulthood.
- Albert is said to go to 'boarding school', which implies that he's less than college age. If he went to college, Irving would have said that. College is not boarding school.
- Irving: 11. The way he obsessively looks up to Phineas and Ferb suggests that he's younger than the others, and the way they don't tell him to leave because it's creepy supports that to me.
- Stacy: 15. They're in the same grade according to Stacy's reminiscence in "Spa Day," so they're either the same age or Stacy will turn 15 within the next couple months (assuming neither was held back or started late).
- Coltrane: 16. We haven't seen much of him, but he seems to be the same age as Jeremy.
- Jenny: 16. Her mellow hippie attitude makes me think she's older than Candace and Stacy, but not by much.
- Carl: 22. He became an intern soon after the flashback to 5 years ago in "Across the Second Dimension," so he must have been nearly college age then.
- Gretchen: 11. Though she's Isabella's second-in-command, she seems younger, but her knowledge makes it hard to judge her age, so I'm putting her at the middle of the pack.
- Since when is Gretchen second in command? Adyson was in charge when Isabella was gone in "Summer Belongs to You."
- Adyson: 12. Definitely at least as old as Isabella, but most likely not older since then she'd probably be troop leader instead.
- Ginger: 11. Looks younger than Adyson and Isabella, but older than Holly and Milly.
- Katie: 12. She looks about the same age as Adyson and Isabella.
- Holly: 10. This is mostly just because she looks significantly younger than most of the other Fireside Girls.
- Milly: 10. This is mostly just because she looks significantly younger than most of the other Fireside Girls.
- Suzy: 8. Definitely at least a couple years younger than anyone else in the cast, but she's definitely older than 6 for the sheer amount of scheming and knowledge under her belt. She also definitely still needs to be babysat unlike the other kids.
- Since she's implied to be wise beyond her years, it wouldn't really be out of the question for her to be sixish. Her inarticulate speech (when she's not talking to Candace) suggests a very young age.
- Johnny: 17. He's analogous to Vanessa as Jeremy is to Candace, but since she's a year older, I decided to place him there, too.
- Marty the Rabbit Boy: 18. He seems calmer and older than the other teens aside from Jeremy.
- Unknown Guy: Who knows?! Unknown guy is out. Peace!
- Actually, Phineas and Ferb are 10. In that episode where they go 20 years into the future, their mom says,"My Phineas and Ferb are 30 now..." What's 30 minus 20? 10. There ya go.
- It's been said by the creators that they had to give a relative age to them for the purpose of the episode and to not to take Linda seriously. So, the "official" age for them is "less than 15".
- I'd just like to say I highly doubt Phineas and Ferb and their friends are as old as they're guessed to be above. They (especially Phineas) have the optimism and lack of self-consciousness that you'd expect from children who are still grade school-aged. Linda's attitude toward the boys should also be considered. She thinks they play elaborate pretend-games and tell her about them as if they were real. If they were as old as 12 and 13, she would probably find that behavior weird instead of cute. I'd guess Phineas is 9 or 10, possibly 11.
- Phineas was 9 in the original pitch, for what that's worth.
- I suspect the key to the puzzle is Isabella. We know that Phineas and Isabella never met in the alternate dimension after Doof 2 took over. This event was sometime after first meeting Perry (which was 5 years ago). Isabella's brain is currently wired for romance, but Phineas' has not done so yet. Knowing what we do about her future, the Westermarck Effect did NOT take place with neither Phineas nor Ferb, meaning that she first met the boys after they turned 7. Given the difference in brain wireing and that she's taller than Phineas (remember gender growth rates and times), this leads to two likely conclusions. 1. Isabella is most likely older than Phineas (maybe a few months at most), 2. The starting age of Phineas can be narrowed down to 11-12, with a season 3 +1 modifier to it.
- Heinz Doofensmirtz: Heinz Doofensmirtz grew up in a situation where he had little to no friends and a sucky family. When he was a kid his best friend was a balloon he had drawn a face on, while in the present day he has made use of his nemesis relationship with Perry the Platypus in order to have someone to hangout with on a daily basis. Although Perry often foils his schemes, deep down Heinz just enjoys being able to hangout with someone. Perry realizes this and hangs out with Heinz even when he's not up to anything evil. On the family side of things: Heinz's parents treated him like crap, he doesn't get along well with his brother, and his wife divorced him. The only family member he has left that still cares for him is his daughter Vanessa. Sure Vanessa is embarrassed by her dad at times, but she still cares for him. The reason why Heinz is so nice to his daughter is because he doesn't want to lose the one family member he has left (in a manner of speaking), because if he lost Vanessa he would be left with no friends (not counting Perry) and no family to depend on. In short, Doofenshmirtz just wants to have friends and a family that actually cares about him.
- Candace: As shown in the Ducky Momo Is My Friend song, Candace seemed to be very lonely when she was little with her only friend being a stuffed toy. Eventually her brother Phineas was born, and as he grew older he and Candace got along well with each other as Candace finally had someone she could actually interact with. Eventually however Ferb became a member of the family and Phineas started spending more time with him than Candace. When Candace saw the amazing things her brothers were capable of her loneliness set in again as, although she really wanted to help, she felt that there wasn't anything she could do. Causing her to ignore her brothers asking her if she wanted to help (something they continue to do in the present day). Eventually her loneliness turned into jealousy especially when she realized that her brothers were capable of getting away with all these amazing things, but she wasn't able to get away with more minor stuff. This led to her busting obsession as she subconsciously decided that if she couldn't reach her brothers' level then she would knock them down to her level, and they would be able to hangout with each other again. Her loneliness turned jealousy however has left her blind to the fact that she is able to participate in and have fun with her brothers' ideas. Candace however has forgotten her original reason for wanting to bust her brothers, and tells herself it's because she's in charge of them and that they shouldn't be doing those things. In short, her obsession with busting her brothers comes from a subconscious desire to hang out with them.
- Related theory on how Candace and Stacy became friends: When Stacy was little she and her mom lived in Japan. However when her mom got a job offer in the USA, Stacy was forced to move away from her life in Japan. For obvious reasons her mother had her take English speaking lessons. When she entered her new school in Danville she was shy and nervous, because not only was she going to a new school but she was in a different country with a different culture than the one she was used to. Candace recognized Stacy's loneliness and decided to befriend her. With Candace's help Stacy was able to come out of her shell resulting in the Stacy we know today. Candace and Stacy instantly became best friends as Stacy provided Candace with a friend who wasn't a fictional character or her brother, and Candace helped Stacy get used to her new life in Danville.
- Buford: When Buford was younger he didn't have any friends. When he won his pet goldfish, Biff, at a carnival he was happy as he now had a friend. However when the local bully attempted to eat Biff, Buford became a bully himself in order to protect Biff. Deep down however Buford realized that Biff just wasn't the same as a human friend, causing him to develop anger issues that helped out his new career as a bully. This led to him making Baljeet into his own personal nerd as an excuse to have someone to hangout with (similar to Doofenshmirtz's relationship with Perry). When he first met Phineas and Ferb he considered them to be a couple of nerds, however in Raging Bully he gained respect for them and started to hangout with them more often. But it wasn't until Voyage to the Bottom of Buford that he started to realize that Phineas, Ferb, and the others were his friends and he started to mellow out around them. It should be noted however that Buford is still technically a bully meaning there's a small part of him that is afraid that the others don't see him as a friend and that Biff is still his only friend (an assumption he would be wrong about). In short, Buford just wants to have friends and is afraid that the friends he now has might leave him.
- Buford is not an antagonist, he never tries to stop the boys and frequently even helps them.
- Well I did say that I was using the word antagonist very loosely. I am aware that calling Buford an antagonist is a bit of a stretch, but I just thought that I should include him since he kind of started out as an antagonist (sort of).
- Buford is not an antagonist, he never tries to stop the boys and frequently even helps them.
- Suzy Johnson: It's possible that like Candace and Buford when they were younger, that Suzy doesn't have any friends. Her brother Jeremy, however, is always nice to her causing her to develop an attachment to him. But because she's so young she doesn't quite get the difference between a relationship with a girlfriend and a younger sister, and so she purposely scares off any girl she thinks might take Jeremy away from her (although she seems to be failing with Candace who is afraid of her, but manages to get around that obstacle in order to be with Jeremy). As for why she scares Buford, it's probably just for fun. In short, Suzy attachment to her brother Jeremy is because she doesn't have any actual friends.
- We do know Candace's birthday is in July 11th.
- Jeremy's birthday is probably between January and July, since Candace says "he's a whole year older than me" (rather than "almost a year" or "a year and a half"). There's also a good chance it's not in May-July, since he hasn't had a birthday episode (although the achronologic order of the episodes means we can't rule that out).
- Over here is a guess that Doof is a Gemini. Seems legit.
- In "Dude, We're Getting the Band Back Together", Candace mentioned that it was June 15. Doofenshmirtz spent that day setting up a birthday party for Vanessa.
- Constance was referred to as a disapproving governess and she looks like Candace while Phineastein looks like Phineas although they are not mentioned to be related to one another, so this theory explains why they look like Phineas and Candace who are siblings.
- But Constance was obsessed with Jeremiah. It would be terribly out of character.
- It's a teenage crush. They rarely develop into lasting relationships.
- But Constance was obsessed with Jeremiah. It would be terribly out of character.
- The story in "Phineas 'n' Ferbenstein" is implied to take place in Druelselstein. Baldegunde is from Druelselstein, and resembles Constance and Candace. Do the math.
- Seems to be supported by the future episode, where Candace's daughter exhibits the same busting instincts as Candace, despite having nothing to bust. Not to mention that Candace can turn her busting instincts to anything that irritates her enough, implying that it's innate.
- People with OCD engage in repetitive ritualistic behavior that brings them no pleasure (besides the temporary alleviation of the anxiety that plagues them when they aren't performing the rituals they believe they should be). That doesn't sound like Phineas at all.
How? Linda Flynn's hit single and its copyrights (the song is played in most elevators of the city).
Nonetheless, they want to live the "simple life" of the suburbs.
- That's not where the money for the stuff comes from. Phineas and Ferb just have a bunch of credit cards under various fake identities. In fact, they're responsible for the recession.
- They can afford a pet platypus, and they have enough money to get around the laws that are against that sort of thing.
- Well, it was revealed in the recent episode "Oh, There You Are, Perry" that Perry's only one of many platypi in Danville. Maybe Danville's some kind of resort town for eccentric rich people.
- Considering in The Lizard Whisperer it shows Phineas, Ferb, and Isabella running through town without even their sister watching them, it would prove the idea that they pay for the town to be safe (you know, the Organization Without a Cool Acronym).
- Another strong possibility is that Phineas and Ferb hold some profitable patents, like the MIB.
- Well, it was revealed in the recent episode "Oh, There You Are, Perry" that Perry's only one of many platypi in Danville. Maybe Danville's some kind of resort town for eccentric rich people.
If you need further evidence for a return, Thor still hasn't said anything. An episode in which Thaddeus and Thor recur would allow the creators to give him a Ferb-like one-liner, complete with ridiculous accent.
- Are you calling Ferb's accent ridiculous?
- Read on a blog that Thaddeus and Thor are in an upcoming episode. -OP
- You mean "Perry the Actorpus"? I thought that was only Mandy.
- If Mandy is in it, it seems reasonable that her brothers would get at least a cameo. So far her character exists only as a foil for them.
- Nope, they didn't appear.
- You mean "Perry the Actorpus"? I thought that was only Mandy.
- They didn't go to the second dimension, the Robot Riot montage happened in the first dimension.
- When they discovered Baljeet and Isabella and the rest of the Fireside Girls, they decided to try and make sure they would be the best of friends, ensuring that all of the children would not be lonely and would help each others' powers grow.
- What she uses it for? To keep her brother safe for man eaters(sans herself), and to hide her true natures to everyone, and going out of control.
- However, she only pays with Jeremy's girlfriends, thus her true nature is only shown to Bullies and the people she's trying to pay them with. More so with the former, due to karma.
- I still personally believe Doof's abusive parents are the "true villains" of the show. It was their child abuse that turned an otherwise innocent child into well, what we have now.
- Seeing how she overreacted to the boys making these things, causing things to go horribly wrong in the 'What If' episodes, he decided to prevent that from happening.
- The spy base are the only characters aware of the Fourth Wall, so they figured it was the only true pinpointed way to end the series. They want the series to run long enough that people won't complain once it ends. That, and give the older people something to watch on that channel that isn't live action sitcoms.
- The show's creators don't just voice Major Monogram and Dr. Doofenshmirtz; they are them. The daily battles-of-good-and-evil are all a pretense to ensure the plot continues.
- That would explain why Perry always leaves immediately after Phineas has said: I know what were gonna do today! - He's only waiting for Phineas to decide on a project, so he knows what sort of oversized contraption he's supposed to move out of sight later that day.
- Perry doesn't always do that, but that's the general way of things.
- There's a little more known about Jeremy's family, but none about Johnny's. It's possible. If you do the math, Candace is 15, and mentions that Jeremy is a year older than her. Johnny could be around 17 or 17 1/2 and still be in high school (and still be dating Vanessa, who is a little older than Candace).
- Let's not also forget, he immediately had a distaste for even THINKING about kissing Baljeet in the Christmas special, maybe he's offended about it? We never see his parents.
- Jossed. His mom actually made an appearance in "Not Phineas and Ferb".
- He would still have a biological Mom, but maybe he also has two Dads.
- Nope. It's his mom. Linda calls her "Biffany" at the very end of "Not Phineas and Ferb".
- He could have two moms.
- A troper implies the above WMG because he named his goldfish after his mother, which, as it turns out, Buford has a mother whose name seems to be "Biff", short for "Biffany". U Nless if there's a reason for him to have two moms...
- Sex change operation?
- Getting a tad desperate there, no?
- Nope. It's his mom. Linda calls her "Biffany" at the very end of "Not Phineas and Ferb".
- Camp David is FULL of people who aren't the President. Ferb could be a member of the President's cabinet, a member of the President's secret service detail, a politician or supporter meeting with the President, or ever a member of the media covering the President. Hell, he could even be there as a janitor or plumber. "Being at Camp David" does not automatically mean "he must be President."
- This troper used to work at the Pentagon. That doesn't mean that he was the Secretary of Defense.
- Jossed, at least the part about Ferb being married to Vanessa. If Ferb was married to Vanessa in the future, Future Candace would not have been wondering "Who is Doofenshmirtz?!" when she came to the bad future; otherwise, she'd be familiar with the Doofenshmirtz name due to knowing Vanessa as her sister-in-law.
- She doesn't necessarily have to know her sister-in-law's maiden name. I don't know my brother's wife's.
- And it's probably fairly easy to remember. Keep in mind: Candace couldn't remember the word "aglet," you think she can remember "Doofenshmirtz?!" ;-)
- Also a recent episode had a gag where the staff of a fast food restaurant was unable to remember Doof's name, even after he told them he was the mayor's brother (and they had no trouble with Roger's name). Candace could've had the same problem.
- It is strange that Candace would forget that there was a mayor Doofenshmirtz during her teen years. What about she knew all three Doofenshmirtz: Her sister in law, the (possibly) former mayor and Ferb's father in law. It is also likely she would not know about either of them being secretly evil. Then actually knowing all the three Doofenshmirtz would make her question valid as she would have no idea as to which of the three the people were referring to.
- Or maybe she simply detached herself from the family. Her father IS a mad scientist, after all.
- And her mom never believes her.
- She doesn't necessarily have to know her sister-in-law's maiden name. I don't know my brother's wife's.
- I think you're confusing evil with darkness.
- Note how Stacy is the only character to ever be in bed with Candace and unlike Perry, under the covers.
- That would be one explanation for why she always helps Candace "bust" the boys even though she has no personal stake in it.
- Stacy's a Dogged Nice Guy? That would explain her actions in 'Spa Day'—dragging Candace away from Jeremy, acting frustrated when she constantly talks about him, and forgiving her when normally one would be angry for a week.
- She also has a habit of getting quite jealous when Candace spends more time with Jeremy or trying to bust her brothers than with her. It's especially evident in 'The Lemonade Stand' and 'Canderemy', both episodes where she wants to spend the day alone with Candace, to varying degrees of success.
- Alternatively, Jeremy is a rival for Stacy not in love, but in spycraft. They're both using Candace to record the things the boys do.
- Speaking of same, note how JJ uses the Slushy Booth has an excuse to slip away from Candace in love at first byte, but then when we see the booth it's manned by a girl. Later in One Good Turn, Stacy suggests teaming up (to spend even more time with Candace?) and then has her hands all over Candace during the race. (Perry is known to be a spy and so his sleeping with Candace is to be expected.)
- Wasn't she dating Coltrane at one point?
- Stacy's probably testing the waters, trying to move on from Candace. Still, note how she doesn't exactly go out of her way to date him; maybe he's not what she was looking for.
- In fact, it's not unlikely that the whole Johnson family is working together to permeate the whole Tri-State Area, or at least Danville, with this false sweetness. They know that Danville is the world's hive of activity, where the most interesting things happen, and that if they can gain control of it, they can probably gain control of the whole world as well. Unlike Doofenshmirtz, they do not display their evilness in story-high letters for the world to see, complete with jingle. No, they're subtler, cleverer, and much more of a threat.
- However, Suzy's pretty new at this sort of thing, and she doesn't fully grasp the objective yet. She can't restrain herself from tormenting Buford and Candace. In fact, she always torments Candace and then acts totally sweet around Jeremy so that she can show off how convincingly she does an innocent act after an act of malice. Jeremy would, in turn, ignore this in an attempt to dissuade her from such behaviour. However, it got out of hand and people started calling Suzy evil, so he finally had to restore the status quo. He did so by instructing her to tell Candace she's a Punch-Clock Villain in 'Suddenly Suzy' so that she can still have hands-on practice without being thought of as actually evil.
- Jeremy's role in 'The Lizard Whisperer' involves him visiting both Dr. Doofenshmirtz and Major Monogram—who would, 'coincidentally', be the two largest threats for an aspiring villain. After realizing what a joke Doofenshmirtz was, he visibly lost interest and met the offer of evil lessons with scorn, presumably because he knows such an incompetent villain has nothing to teach Jeremy's superior subtlety. Note that he was unimpressed by Doofenshmirtz's theatrics and showed particular interest once a nemesis was mentioned. With neither Monogram nor Doofenshmirtz did he make any attempt to deflect the ranting, as any good spy will gather as much information as possible without arousing suspicion.
- Also, watch the Christmas Special carefully. When Candace is standing next to Jeremy's display, the words beneath his display are quite clearly red—red designates 'naughty', while 'nice' is shown in green.
- That kinda makes sense. To move the theory along, he's only dating Candace is simply he's waiting for the right moment for her to snapped, as she's slowly falling to insanity, with him the only one that prevents her from doing... things that'll make it actually Auidence Shift intended for the Periphery Demographic (Not to mentioned the genre), which shall furter his plan along, to break up with her. He's actually in loved with Mindy, and/or Stacy.
- Wait... what? Why would he play the Morality Chain if he wants her to snap and further his plan? Unless of course he's waiting for the opportune moment. My assumption was that he was linking with Candace not because he actually likes her, but because it would be advantageous to keep a girl who's in love with him around. He knows that she's very insecure about her place in his life and takes care to keep her that way (note him liberally calling Suzy 'my favorite girl') so that she'll be at his beck and call when he wants to use her to his advantage, starved for approval. If he's got a girl spreading the word that he's a sweet and loving boyfriend, it's good for PR. On top of that, she's close to Phineas and Ferb, the biggest influences in Danville.
- Perhaps the plan is to get close to Candace's family. There's Perry the platypus which would remain a threat even if he defeats Monogram and Doofenshmirtz, plus he also needs access to Phineas and Ferb's technology as it appears only Suzy has technological skills.
- Don't forget about Jeremy and Suzie's Badass Grandma Hildegard - An aging virago who's still very buff and formidable-looking, and looks like she might have been quite the Dark Action Girl in her time. Nowadays, she's probably the family's evil matriarch.
- Jeremy being an evil mastermind is interesting theory, but he stuck on phase one of his diabolical masterplan and forgot what to do next. In episode I forgot what exactly Stacy said that Candace can't deny Jeremy anything, so he can ask her something like "Uh, Candace. I have a little trouble with the government - can you please raid some secret laboratory and steal some unobtanium so I could conquer the ENTIRE TRI-STATE AREA?"
- That would most likely end in failure, getting Jeremy nowhere and even tipping some important people (brothers?) off to his true nature
- Combine this with the theory that Johnny (Vanessa's boyfriend) is Jeremy's brother. No wonder Johnny never pays attention when Vanessa claims her dad is evil!
- Aargh with the unfilled WMG markups! The giant squid doesn't even need to be a nemesis, though it could have been a nemesis-evilified animal. I really do see where you're coming from with Biff being a secret agent. He could have something to do with the Koi detachment, and really, once you imagine him with an agent hat, it's practically impossible to have a mental image of him without it.
- Plus in a recent episode, The Lemonade Stand, Buford was a contact in her phone, and she didn't know how he got in. That mans he put himself in by stealing her phone, or that someone else put him in as a prank
- How about this: Buford was stalking Candace during Suzy's Character Establishing Moment and that is how he knew Suzy was evil.
- In a promo for the upcoming movie, Alternate Candace is shooting lasers or something to that effect, generally just being a total badass. Buford's response?
Buford: I have never been more in love with her [Candace].
- Well he IS a politician after all.
- But doesn't Heinz look similar to his mother (especially the nose). Maybe they're his uncle and aunt who would never tell him the truth.
- If he doesn't know, why would he bring it up out of seemingly nowhere? More likely he does know but didn't want to say it and decided to fall back on Exact Words that he hoped we would figure it out with.
- And his dad named their dog "Only Son" because basically Heinz is not his son.
- This Troper thinks that due to that Heinz came from a non-English country, his father (who does not speak English)'s dog's name is only pronounced "Only Son" and might mean something other than "only son".
- So you mean "only son" is German for " The ugly kid I never loved"?
- It may be that "Only Son" is spelled "Onlisun" or something like that back at Druelselstein.
- This Troper thinks that due to that Heinz came from a non-English country, his father (who does not speak English)'s dog's name is only pronounced "Only Son" and might mean something other than "only son".
- His parents never intended to have a second son. His birth was an accident. It might be family tradition for the second son/child to be the abused and least favorite and cursed to be a failure.
- Roger is the second son. Heinz was the first one.
- Oh, so then, its the first son/child who is to be abused/neglected/cursed. With Roger, they don't want to repeat the same mistakes they did with Heinz (or rather they don't him to become a mistake like Heinz).
- Doof 2 didn't seem to have a bad relationship with his parents. Maybe Doof 1 is the product of new some new-fangled (by Druelsestein standards) science like artificial insemination or surrogacy, and Doof 2 isn't. So Doof 1's parents don't think of him as their own, but Doof 2's do.
- Roger is the second son. Heinz was the first one.
- I guess his popsicle-stick bride is going to be upset.
It makes sense doesn't it? As for Albert and Irving's Mom...maybe they came with him.
- Or an expy of one, much like Sierra from Total Drama as a Take That! on Cody fangirls.
- Related theory: She'll end up operating a lot like Shego from A Sitch In Time. Only instead of attacking The Power of Friendship, Vanessa will exploit the show's adherence to formula and random musical numbers. Well, we can't let things get too serious...
- I thought that was the reason they toned her dark side down and added Norm as the main sidekick instead. Because she was too much like Shego in her first appearance.
- Except he's shown up again, in the "Robot Rodeo" episode, when Dr. Doofenshmirtz would not have needed a panda agent robot. He seems like the real deal.
- Or perhaps when Doofenshmirtz gave Pandabot the order to "make it look good" the robot took it too literally and continued its work for Major Monogram, gaining his own nemesis in the process once he was reprogrammed by the Major. Or Doof sent it to spy on the Major's activities but it failed because well, its Doofenshmirtz.
- And let's not forget Doof's creations have a tendency to turn against him (the "blender-bot", the Honest-Abe-Lincoln-Bot...).
- This... this just makes so much sense. How did I never see it?
- Jossed; In 'Nerds of a feather' he showed up at the beginning, with no indication prior to the start of the episode that she saw Perry as a secret agent.
- Not jossed. That was just one time. Maybe he likes to mess with Candace when he's not on the job. Alternatively, they put a monitoring chip in her brain to tell when she see's perry, and she was just dreaming about him. But he came that whole way so he didn't want to waste the trip for a false alarm so he talked to her anyway.
- Seemingly jossed in the movie when we see him in another reality reading a newspaper with a headline mentioning Kevin winning an election, and the subject of the article's photo appears to be a silhouette of Candace. This suggests that he's a dimension-hopper and thinks all Candaces are named Kevin.
- Jossed; In 'Nerds of a feather' he showed up at the beginning, with no indication prior to the start of the episode that she saw Perry as a secret agent.
- I always figured Mitch was in a mechanical suit of some sort.
- It's not mutually exclusive.
- "Meapless in Seattle" confirms the mechanical suit guess.
- I always figured Mitch was in a mechanical suit of some sort.
- It may be that he studied in Harvard as a historical display or that he listens to the people surrounding him.
- They got him from an iceberg.
- Confirmed(kind of); THE WORLD IS HIS NEMESIS!!!! *thunder*
- No. No it doesn't.
- Yes. Yes it does
- As long as this troper knows, Amanda and Xavier had inherited some physical traits from Jeremy and Candace, not Ferb and Vanessa.
- Or perhaps he's the Doofenshmirtz in the movie...
- You can be sure about the Good publicity part. In the Clip Show episode, he used wires to make him appear to be able to fly in a documentary.
- Let me guess... she caused a scandal that destroyed Lindana's career? They really need to do a Back to the Future parody sometime.
- Linda said she was lip-synching, even back then. Maybe Charlene was the actual singing voice of Lindana.
- Think about it, Vanessa's voice actress is the one singing for Linda's when she sings her song. So maybe Vanessa inherited her voice from her mother.
- Linda said she was lip-synching, even back then. Maybe Charlene was the actual singing voice of Lindana.
- How exactly is this a Wild Mass Guess?
- I think the OP meant these kinds of feelings...
- Actually, I think so many people think this that it doesn't even classify as a wild mass guess.
- Ugh--what are you weirdoes talking about?! Irving/Ferb forever!
- Actually, Irving is Gay for both of them.
- Kinda jossed. He hits on Candace in "Moon Farm". And Isabella in "Misperceived Monotreme". Though in the latter it's due to Doof's "Least Likley inator". So he's bi...and into older girls.
- You win an Internet.
- -mind explodes- You win five internets.
- But what will her evil jingle be?
- I don't think she's going to be evil. She's just going to be a health doctor and the name "Dr. Doofenshmirtz" will be used for laughs or something.
- That's no excuse for missing a jingle . . .
- Doofinshmirtz Platypi Veterinarian~
- I don't think she's going to be evil. She's just going to be a health doctor and the name "Dr. Doofenshmirtz" will be used for laughs or something.
Therefore one can consider that Lyla was also abandoned by her parents, or perhaps orphaned as a child, and raised by animals, thus being technically considered a member of whichever species adopted her, like Doof is.
This is further hinted at when in her cameo in Just Our Luck, she notes that she is the only girl at Agent Con, but never points out she's also the only human, perhaps even she considers herself a member of her adoptive species, not her birth one.
The question therefore (given that this troper has no real knowledge of Canadian wildlife other than Moose) is what species might have raised her?