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* BrokenBase: In the Mystery Incorporated Fans vs Detractors area this film seems to get both in some contention. As the fans see things in this movie as evidence the latest leg of the Direct-to-video series is the LooseCanon to the end of their favored series. While detractors see much of these as WB making use of good old-fashioned Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux and using what they want when they want and tossing some TakeThatAudience at the MI crowd.
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** In the Mystery Incorporated Fans vs Detractors area this film seems to get both in some contention. As the fans see things in this movie as evidence the latest leg of the Direct-to-video series is the LooseCanon to the end of their favored series. While detractors see much of these as WB making use of good old-fashioned Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux and using what they want when they want and tossing some TakeThatAudience at the MI crowd.
** In the Mystery Incorporated Fans vs Detractors area this film seems to get both in some contention. As the fans see things in this movie as evidence the latest leg of the Direct-to-video series is the LooseCanon to the end of their favored series. While detractors see much of these as WB making use of good old-fashioned Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux and using what they want when they want and tossing some TakeThatAudience at the MI crowd.
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* EvilIsSexy:
** [[spoiler:BrainwashedAndCrazy Velma's outfit hugs her body ''very'' well.]]
** There's also Lyla in her gypsy outfit.
** [[spoiler:BrainwashedAndCrazy Velma's outfit hugs her body ''very'' well.]]
** There's also Lyla in her gypsy outfit.
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* HollywoodHomely: Beyond having rather unflattering clothes and a messy hair, "cursed" Daphne doesn't look much different that the regular Daphne. [[LampshadeHanging Fred seems to agree.]]
* FranchiseOriginalSin: This is the movie that cemented Velma's status as a sceptic towards the existence of the supernatural, most viewers didn't mind given the continuity with the rest of the franchise was vague in the first place, it was justified in the story and had Velma portrayed as her usual self. However once ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost The Curse of the 13th Ghost]]'', ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooReturnToZombieIsland Return To Zombie Island]]'' and to a lesser degree ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooTheSwordAndTheScoob The Sword And The Scoob]]'' had Velma still as an a sceptic towards the supernatural despite directly connecting with movies and shows involving supernatural forces and the narrative would commonly have her portrayed as being in the right by giving a rather contrived explanation of why nothing supernatural actually happened (besides the usual MaybeMagicMaybeMundane implication), this became frustrating for viewers as she started coming up less like a voice of reason and more like an [[InsufferableGenius Insufferable]] FlatEarthAtheist that's blatantly delusional about the things she has witnessed and refuses to admit she was wrong and a CreatorsPet that creators refuse to let her believe her she could be wrong.
* InformedFlaw: When Daphne is "cursed" to be fat, it is claimed that she is an (American) size 8. In real life, a woman as large as cursed Daphne wouldn't even fit into a size 14 dress. Since cursed Daphne looks like she's clocking in about 300 pounds.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: This is the movie that cemented Velma's status as a sceptic towards the existence of the supernatural, most viewers didn't mind given the continuity with the rest of the franchise was vague in the first place, it was justified in the story and had Velma portrayed as her usual self. However once ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost The Curse of the 13th Ghost]]'', ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooReturnToZombieIsland Return To Zombie Island]]'' and to a lesser degree ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooTheSwordAndTheScoob The Sword And The Scoob]]'' had Velma still as an a sceptic towards the supernatural despite directly connecting with movies and shows involving supernatural forces and the narrative would commonly have her portrayed as being in the right by giving a rather contrived explanation of why nothing supernatural actually happened (besides the usual MaybeMagicMaybeMundane implication), this became frustrating for viewers as she started coming up less like a voice of reason and more like an [[InsufferableGenius Insufferable]] FlatEarthAtheist that's blatantly delusional about the things she has witnessed and refuses to admit she was wrong and a CreatorsPet that creators refuse to let her believe her she could be wrong.
* InformedFlaw: When Daphne is "cursed" to be fat, it is claimed that she is an (American) size 8. In real life, a woman as large as cursed Daphne wouldn't even fit into a size 14 dress. Since cursed Daphne looks like she's clocking in about 300 pounds.
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* HollywoodHomely: Beyond having rather unflattering clothes clothes, a rounder face, and a messy hair, "cursed" Daphne doesn't look much different that the regular Daphne. [[LampshadeHanging Fred seems to agree.]]
* FranchiseOriginalSin: This is the movie that cemented Velma's status as a sceptic towards the existence of thesupernatural, most supernatural. Most viewers didn't mind given the continuity with the rest of the franchise was vague in the first place, it was justified in the story and had Velma portrayed as her usual self. However once However ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost The Curse of the 13th Ghost]]'', ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooReturnToZombieIsland Return To Zombie Island]]'' and to a lesser degree ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooTheSwordAndTheScoob The Sword And The Scoob]]'' had Velma still as an a sceptic towards the supernatural despite directly connecting with movies and shows involving supernatural forces and the forces. The narrative would commonly have her portrayed as being in the right by giving a rather contrived explanation of why nothing supernatural actually happened (besides the usual MaybeMagicMaybeMundane implication), this implication). This became frustrating for viewers as she started coming up less like a voice of reason and more like an [[InsufferableGenius Insufferable]] FlatEarthAtheist that's blatantly delusional about the things she has witnessed and refuses to admit she was wrong and a CreatorsPet that creators refuse to let her believe her she could be wrong.
* InformedFlaw: When Daphne is "cursed" to be fat, it is claimed that she is an (American) size 8. In real life, a woman as large as cursed Daphne wouldn't even fit into a size14 dress. Since cursed Daphne 16 dress, as she looks like she's clocking in at about 300 pounds.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: This is the movie that cemented Velma's status as a sceptic towards the existence of the
* InformedFlaw: When Daphne is "cursed" to be fat, it is claimed that she is an (American) size 8. In real life, a woman as large as cursed Daphne wouldn't even fit into a size
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* HollywoodHomely: Beyond having rather unflattering clothes and a messy hair, "cursed" Daphne doesn't look much different that the regular Daphne. [[LampshadeHanging Fred seems to agree.]]
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* HollywoodHomely: Beyond having rather unflattering clothes and a messy hair, "cursed" Daphne doesn't look much different that the regular Daphne. [[LampshadeHanging Fred seems to agree.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: This is the movie that cemented Velma's status as a sceptic towards the existence of the supernatural, most viewers didn't mind given the continuity with the rest of the franchise was vague in the first place, it was justified in the story and had Velma portrayed as her usual self. However once ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost The Curse of the 13th Ghost]]'', ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooReturnToZombieIsland Return To Zombie Island]]'' and to a lesser degree ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooTheSwordAndTheScoob The Sword And The Scoob]]'' had Velma still as an a sceptic towards the supernatural despite directly connecting with movies and shows involving supernatural forces and the narrative would commonly have her portrayed as being in the right by giving a rather contrived explanation of why nothing supernatural actually happened (besides the usual MaybeMagicMaybeMundane implication), this became frustrating for viewers as she started coming up less like a voice of reason and more like an Insuferrable FlatEarthAtheist that's blatantly delusional about the things she has witnnesed and refuses to admit she was wrong and a CreatorsPet that creators refuse to let her believe her she could be wrong.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: This is the movie that cemented Velma's status as a sceptic towards the existence of the supernatural, most viewers didn't mind given the continuity with the rest of the franchise was vague in the first place, it was justified in the story and had Velma portrayed as her usual self. However once ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost The Curse of the 13th Ghost]]'', ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooReturnToZombieIsland Return To Zombie Island]]'' and to a lesser degree ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooTheSwordAndTheScoob The Sword And The Scoob]]'' had Velma still as an a sceptic towards the supernatural despite directly connecting with movies and shows involving supernatural forces and the narrative would commonly have her portrayed as being in the right by giving a rather contrived explanation of why nothing supernatural actually happened (besides the usual MaybeMagicMaybeMundane implication), this became frustrating for viewers as she started coming up less like a voice of reason and more like an Insuferrable [[InsufferableGenius Insufferable]] FlatEarthAtheist that's blatantly delusional about the things she has witnnesed witnessed and refuses to admit she was wrong and a CreatorsPet that creators refuse to let her believe her she could be wrong.
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* HollywoodHomely: Beyond having rather unflattering clothes and a messy hair, "cursed" Daphne doesn't look much different that the regular Daphne. [[LampshadeHanging Fred seems to agree.]]
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* BrokenBase:
%%** The odd use of speed-up editing can be a real grain.
** In the Mystery Incorporated Fans vs Detractors area this film seems to get both in some contention. As the fans see things in this movie as evidence the latest leg of the Direct-to-video series is the LooseCanon to the end of their favored series. While detractors see much of these as WB making use of good old-fashioned Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux and using what they want when they want and tossing some TakeThatAudience at the MI crowd.
%%** The odd use of speed-up editing can be a real grain.
** In the Mystery Incorporated Fans vs Detractors area this film seems to get both in some contention. As the fans see things in this movie as evidence the latest leg of the Direct-to-video series is the LooseCanon to the end of their favored series. While detractors see much of these as WB making use of good old-fashioned Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux and using what they want when they want and tossing some TakeThatAudience at the MI crowd.
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* BrokenBase:
%%** The odd use of speed-up editing can be a real grain.
**BrokenBase: In the Mystery Incorporated Fans vs Detractors area this film seems to get both in some contention. As the fans see things in this movie as evidence the latest leg of the Direct-to-video series is the LooseCanon to the end of their favored series. While detractors see much of these as WB making use of good old-fashioned Creator/HannaBarbera continuity flux and using what they want when they want and tossing some TakeThatAudience at the MI crowd.crowd.
** The use of speed-up editing is either annoying or a really fun addition to the movie.
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** The use of speed-up editing is either annoying or a really fun addition to the movie.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: This is the movie that cemented Velma's status as a sceptic towards the existence of the supernatural, most viewers didn't mind given the continuity with the rest of the franchise was vague in the first place, it was justified in the story and had Velma portrayed as her usual self. However once ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooAndTheCurseOfThe13thGhost The Curse of the 13th Ghost]]'', ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooReturnToZombieIsland Return To Zombie Island]]'' and to a lesser degree ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooTheSwordAndTheScoob The Sword And The Scoob]]'' had Velma still as an a sceptic towards the supernatural despite directly connecting with movies and shows involving supernatural forces and the narrative would commonly have her portrayed as being in the right by giving a rather contrived explanation of why nothing supernatural actually happened (besides the usual MaybeMagicMaybeMundane implication), this became frustrating for viewers as she started coming up less like a voice of reason and more like an Insuferrable FlatEarthAtheist that's blatantly delusional about the things she has witnnesed and refuses to admit she was wrong and a CreatorsPet that creators refuse to let her believe her she could be wrong.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Fred's CargoShip with the Mystery Machine to the point that he worries excessively about it getting scratched and feels immense guilt over it [[spoiler:getting blown up by the villain]] can be considered this if you remember that [[spoiler:he [[HeroicSacrifice blew up the Mystery Machine to save the others]]]] in the final episodes of ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated Mystery Incorporated]]''.
* InformedFlaw: When Daphne is "cursed" to be fat, it is claimed that she is a (American) size 8. In real life, a woman as large as cursed Daphne wouldn't even fit into a size 14 dress. Since cursed Daphne looks like she's clocking in about 300 pounds.
* MisaimedFandom: That Daphne's "curse" is to be "fat" should be seen with the intention that the villains don't really know her, and only use what they think she cares about most (Her beauty), and they don't know that Daphne truly cares most are her friends. Many fans take the "Curse" literally and assume that Daphne is completely shallow and sends a bad message to the girls watching the movie.
* InformedFlaw: When Daphne is "cursed" to be fat, it is claimed that she is a (American) size 8. In real life, a woman as large as cursed Daphne wouldn't even fit into a size 14 dress. Since cursed Daphne looks like she's clocking in about 300 pounds.
* MisaimedFandom: That Daphne's "curse" is to be "fat" should be seen with the intention that the villains don't really know her, and only use what they think she cares about most (Her beauty), and they don't know that Daphne truly cares most are her friends. Many fans take the "Curse" literally and assume that Daphne is completely shallow and sends a bad message to the girls watching the movie.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Fred's CargoShip with the Mystery Machine to the point that he worries excessively about it getting scratched and feels immense guilt over it [[spoiler:getting [[spoiler: getting blown up by the villain]] can be considered this if you remember that [[spoiler:he [[spoiler: he [[HeroicSacrifice blew up the Mystery Machine to save the others]]]] in the final episodes of ''[[WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated Mystery Incorporated]]''.
* InformedFlaw: When Daphne is "cursed" to be fat, it is claimed that she isa an (American) size 8. In real life, a woman as large as cursed Daphne wouldn't even fit into a size 14 dress. Since cursed Daphne looks like she's clocking in about 300 pounds.
* MisaimedFandom: That Daphne's "curse" is to be "fat" should be seen with the intention that the villains don't really know her, and only use what they think she cares about most (Her beauty), and they don't know that what Daphne truly cares most about are her friends. Many fans take the "Curse" literally and assume that Daphne is completely shallow and sends a bad message to the girls watching the movie.
* InformedFlaw: When Daphne is "cursed" to be fat, it is claimed that she is
* MisaimedFandom: That Daphne's "curse" is to be "fat" should be seen with the intention that the villains don't really know her, and only use what they think she cares about most (Her beauty), and they don't know that what Daphne truly cares most about are her friends. Many fans take the "Curse" literally and assume that Daphne is completely shallow and sends a bad message to the girls watching the movie.
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** The whole Shaggy and Scooby not being hungry and having sudden courage [[spoiler:due to acupuncture needles in their new outfits]] is one thing, but Daphne's "curse" becomes this when her sudden fat and weight issues after initial shellfish allergies [[spoiler:were actually just an inflatable suit filled with air. So she somehow doesn't realize she doesn't actually feel fat, and her over-dramatized reactions keep her from simply ''trying to change clothes'' and finding out the fake curse early. Oh, and she had a spare set of clothes to change into right after finding this out, inside a destroyed hallway.]]
** The monster is a suit as would be expected, but in reality [[spoiler:it's actually a super suit designed for incredibly short FBI agents for enhanced capabilities, and then somehow gets grabbed off-screen for the ending by Iago - who was actually a short Department of Defense agent inside a ''smaller'' super suit. This is hinted in a blink-and-you-miss-it ChekhovsGun at the beginning of the film, but otherwise sorta comes right outta ''nowhere''.]]
* NarmCharm: We have Fred moping over the loss of his Mystery Machine. It may seem like a bit much until you realize how he ties it to his position as leader, and feels like less of a man without it.
** The monster is a suit as would be expected, but in reality [[spoiler:it's actually a super suit designed for incredibly short FBI agents for enhanced capabilities, and then somehow gets grabbed off-screen for the ending by Iago - who was actually a short Department of Defense agent inside a ''smaller'' super suit. This is hinted in a blink-and-you-miss-it ChekhovsGun at the beginning of the film, but otherwise sorta comes right outta ''nowhere''.]]
* NarmCharm: We have Fred moping over the loss of his Mystery Machine. It may seem like a bit much until you realize how he ties it to his position as leader, and feels like less of a man without it.
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** The whole Shaggy and Scooby not being hungry and having sudden courage [[spoiler:due [[spoiler: due to acupuncture needles in their new outfits]] is one thing, but Daphne's "curse" becomes this when her sudden fat and weight issues after initial shellfish allergies [[spoiler:were [[spoiler: were actually just an inflatable suit filled with air. So she somehow doesn't realize she doesn't actually feel fat, and her over-dramatized reactions keep her from simply ''trying to change clothes'' and finding out the fake curse early. Oh, and she had a spare set of clothes to change into right after finding this out, inside a destroyed hallway.]]
** The monster is a suit as would be expected, but in reality[[spoiler:it's [[spoiler: it's actually a super suit designed for incredibly short FBI agents for enhanced capabilities, and then somehow gets grabbed off-screen for the ending by Iago - who was actually a short Department of Defense agent inside a ''smaller'' super suit. This is hinted at in a blink-and-you-miss-it ChekhovsGun at the beginning of the film, but otherwise sorta comes right outta ''nowhere''.]]
* NarmCharm: We have Fred moping over the loss of his Mystery Machine. It may seem like a bit much until you realize how he ties it to his position asleader, a leader and feels like less of a man without it.
** The monster is a suit as would be expected, but in reality
* NarmCharm: We have Fred moping over the loss of his Mystery Machine. It may seem like a bit much until you realize how he ties it to his position as
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** Meanwhile in the non-animated version, ''Film/ScoobyDooMonstersUnleashed'' features several characters whose past schemes were foiled by the gang and one of them was seeking revenge. All stories have the villain(s) [[spoiler:using new identities to approach the gang.]]
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** Meanwhile in the non-animated version, ''Film/ScoobyDooMonstersUnleashed'' features several characters whose past schemes were foiled by the gang gang, and one of them was seeking revenge. All stories have the villain(s) [[spoiler:using new identities to approach the gang.]]
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Oh hey you guys remember some of those old criminals? That CL Magnus guy. That Lila chick. Cuthbert Crawls the other attorney. And good ole Mama Mione. Well they're back now.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: In a more meta sense, this movie opened up the realization that a lot of the other criminals that the gang busted in the past want revenge. However, so far, aside from maybe ''WesternAnimation/TrickOrTreatScoobyDoo'', this concept hasn't been brought up in any of the other DTV movies that came after it.
* UnexpectedCharacter: Oh hey you guys remember some of those old criminals? That CL Magnus guy. That Lila chick. Cuthbert Crawls the other attorney. And good ole Mama Mione.Well Well, they're back now.
* UnexpectedCharacter: Oh hey you guys remember some of those old criminals? That CL Magnus guy. That Lila chick. Cuthbert Crawls the other attorney. And good ole Mama Mione.
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* MisaimedFandom: That Daphne's curse is to be fat must be seen with the intention that the villains don't really know her, and they only use a superficial fear, they don't know that her true fear is losing her friends, many fans take the "Curse" in a way literal and assume that Daphne is completely superficial and sends a bad message to the girls who watch the movie.
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* MisaimedFandom: That Daphne's curse "curse" is to be fat must "fat" should be seen with the intention that the villains don't really know her, and they only use a superficial fear, what they think she cares about most (Her beauty), and they don't know that Daphne truly cares most are her true fear is losing her friends, many friends. Many fans take the "Curse" in a way literal literally and assume that Daphne is completely superficial shallow and sends a bad message to the girls who watch watching the movie.
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** Daphne's "curse" and the resolution. Some people view it as sending the message to young girls that you're only valuable if you're thin and pretty enough for a guy to like you; others see it as Daphne being superficial and ultimately learning that she doesn't ''have'' to have a Barbie-like appearance, thanks in part to [[ImpliedLoveInterest Fred's]] supportiveness.
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* IdiotPlot: Daphne's "curse" hinges entirely on her terrified obsession with suddenly becoming fat from a mix of shellfish allergies and her curse causing her to [[spoiler:never attempt to take off the inflatable suit disguised as a dress. She only cottons on at the climax when the suit catches and tears on debris, and there's never an implication that she can't actually get it off of her either.]]
