History Sandbox / DarkWebCleanup

** Madelyne Pryor, the Goblin Queen, wants the X-Men (and Jean Grey in particular) to pay for stealing her happy life. She uses Chasm, Hallows' Eve, a brainwashed Venom, and the legions of Limbo as a distraction so that she can retrieve a Cerebro unit hidden in the X-Men's treehouse, seeking her memories of her son Cable's childhood, which were once given to Jean. This winds up rendering the story's conflict pointless once Jean Grey and the X-Men are able to talk Madelyne down, and Jean shares the memories with her - with the only caveat being that Madelyne stop her invasion. The narrative tries to paint Madelyne's actions in a [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathetic light]], but her sudden HeelFaceTurn not only flies in the face of decades of needless antagonism towards the X-Men, but also fails to recognize the sheer scale of collateral damage her plan caused, particularly for Eddie Brock who was blackmailed into participation just to find his son again. From here, joining the X-Men in stopping the invasion of Limbo could be interpreted either as wanting to make amends for her constant needless antagonism of the X-Men or deciding that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Ben and Janine have fulfilled their purpose as distractions and thus no longer worth helping]]. In the end, Madelyne regains her role as Queen of Limbo, back on good relations with the X-Men, and is even allowed to keep a portal to Limbo open as a new embassy. All in all, considering the amount of help she gave Chasm and Hallows' Eve, how she and Chasm share responsibility in turning Eddie Brock into Bedlam, and [[AMillionIsAStatistic the number of deaths caused by the demons of Limbo]], many fans think she was far too EasilyForgiven, especially as she effectively got everything she wanted.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Both of the crossover's main villains are unwanted clones who have been [[TheChewToy subject to many years of mistreatment]] from the universe and just want to regain the memories that were taken from them, but they end up draining their sympathy.
** Madelyne Pryor, the Goblin Queen, wants the X-Men (and Jean Grey in particular) to pay for stealing her happy life. She uses Chasm, Hallows' Eve, a brainwashed Venom, and the legions of Limbo to serve as distractions so that she can retrieve a Cerebro unit hidden in the X-Men's treehouse, seeking the memories of Cable's childhood that were once given to Jean. This winds up rendering the story's conflict pointless once Jean Grey and the X-Men are able to talk Madelyne down, and Jean shares the memories with her - with the only caveat being that Madelyne stop her invasion. The subsequent attempt of the narrative to paint Madelyne's actions in a [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathetic light]], and her sudden HeelFaceTurn, not only flies in the face of decades of needless antagonism towards the X-Men on her part, but also fails to recognize the sheer scale of collateral damage her plan caused, particularly for Eddie Brock who was blackmailed into participation just to find his son again. From here, joining the X-Men in stopping the invasion of Limbo could be interpreted either as wanting to make amends for her constant needless antagonism of the X-Men or deciding that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Ben and Janine have fulfilled their purpose as distractions and thus no longer worth helping]]. In the end, Madelyne is reestablished as the Queen of Limbo, back on good relations with the X-Men, and even allowed to keep the new portal to Limbo open as a new embassy by effectively blackmailing the US into doing so. All in all, when you consider the amount of help she gave Chasm and Hallows' Eve, how she and Chasm share responsibility in turning Eddie Brock into Bedlam, and [[AMillionIsAStatistic the amount of deaths caused on Christmas Eve by the demons of Limbo]], many fans think the X-Men were [[EasilyForgiven far too lenient]] with how they handled her, especially since Madelyne Pryor [[TheBadGuyWins effectively got everything she wanted from her plan and more]].

** Chasm begins with the understandable goal of capturing Spider-Man to forcibly steal his memories back, even starting with extra sympathy points for the accident that turned him into Chasm and his stay in Limbo causing him to suffer nightmares and hallucinations, painting him as not evil for its own sake but someone who is extremely mentally ill and in need of help but pushed to extremes due to paranoia and no longer being able to trust anyone save those who he feels have suffered like he has i.e. Madelyne Pryor and Janine. However, once Chasm actually springs into action, the reader begins to find it impossible to retain their sympathies because his own plans and motives become impossible to follow. Between his first major plan to use the invasion of Limbo to draw Spider-Man into a fight for revenge and to make him give up his memories, being sidetracked to beat down the reformed Norman Osborn as revenge for killing him and antagonize members of Spider-Man's supporting cast, his second major plan to use demons to psychologically torment Peter Parker through an over-the-top reenactment of his life working at the Daily Bugle into eating a demon fruit to give up his soul, his third major plan to transform random demons into Limbo-themed versions of Spier-Man's rogue's gallery to prolong his torment along with enhancing the chaos of the demon invasion, and his final off-the-cuff plan to simply take over Limbo with Hallows' Eve and destroy New York City as its new king, it becomes impossible for readers to keep track of what he's even trying to accomplish, let alone whether he still wants his memories back or if he just wants to torment Spider-Man. If it were the former goal, not only has he been shown using magic to steal memories before with Madelyne Pryor's help, fans have pointed out that the X-Men (with Peter's permission) could easily have pacified Chasm by offering to copy Peter's portion of Ben's missing memories into him like they did to help Madelyne. If it were the latter, then Peter himself points out that Chasm not only did not need to involve anyone else in their quarrel, but that all of his attempts to torture Peter are a massive waste of time due to hinging on a fundamental misunderstanding of Peter Parker/Spider-Man's nature as the {{Determinator}}. [[LampshadeHanging It really doesn't help that the story itself comments through Spider-Man and Madelyne]] that Chasm's frayed sanity and obsession with Spider-Man mean none of his plans ever had any internal logic behind them beyond making Peter Parker and New York City as a whole suffer. [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking On a lesser scale,]] compared to Madelyne Pryor, Hallows' Eve, and the brainwashed Venom, Chasm still carries Ben's/Peter's tendency to joke and quip in all but the most serious situations, making it ambiguous whether the reader is meant to take Chasm's angst and gallows humor regarding his losses at face value or to laugh along with the dark humor and over-the-top hamminess he engages in with abundance during the story. In essence, the narrative's attempts to establish Chasm as EvilerThanThou compared to Madelyne Pryor, along with his general SanitySlippage, makes Chasm impossible to root for due to falling into StupidEvil territory right at the start and never stopping. Even Chasm's ultimate fate is confused on whether the reader is meant to pity or scorn Chasm, as he's made to take [[TheScapegoat the entirety of the blame]] for planning the invasion of Limbo, left imprisoned and alone in the new embassy in comfortable surroundings as a small concession on Madelyne's part for involving him in all of this, before the story seemingly tries to slam the door shut on any remaining sympathy points by showing Chasm giving Madelyne and Peter's offers to help him the silent treatment in favor of angrily brooding over his losses. Overall, readers are left confused on whether to consider the narrative is asking them to consider Ben a sympathetic victim of circumstance due to his clear mental illness and being an ignorant pawn in someone else's conflict until he was discarded, or an irredeemable monster due to his gleeful slide down into StupidEvil once cut loose by Madelyne and unrepentant nature. Many can't even decide if Ben would even go to such extreme measures in the first place were he not crazy-town banana-pants [[ConflictBall for the sake of having a final villain]].

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Both of the main villains of the crossover are given sympathetic motives in being unwanted clones that have both been [[TheChewToy subject to many years of mistreatment from the universe]] and just wanting to take back the memories they feel were stolen from them, but they end up both draining their sympathy extremely quick in opposite directions.
** Madelyne Pryor, the Goblin Queen, starts with a vague but grandiose goal, wanting the X-Men (and Jean Grey in particular) to pay for stealing her happy life. She uses Chasm, Hallows' Eve, a brainwashed Venom, and the legions of Limbo to serve as distractions so that she can retrieve a Cerebro unit hidden in the X-Men's treehouse. Does she want it to expand her powers and make her an unstoppable force? No, she was only seeking the memories of Cable's childhood that were once given to Jean. This winds up rendering the story's conflict pointless once Jean Grey and the X-Men are able to talk Madelyne down, and Jean shares the memories with her - with the only caveat being that Madelyne stop her invasion. The subsequent attempt of the narrative to paint Madelyne's actions in a [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathetic light]], and her sudden HeelFaceTurn, not only flies in the face of decades of needless antagonism towards the X-Men on her part, but also fails to recognize the sheer scale of collateral damage her plan caused, particularly for Eddie Brock who was blackmailed into participation just to find his son again. From here, joining the X-Men in stopping the invasion of Limbo could be interpreted either as wanting to make amends for her constant needless antagonism of the X-Men or deciding that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Ben and Janine have fulfilled their purpose as distractions and thus no longer worth helping]]. In the end, Madelyne is reestablished as the Queen of Limbo, back on good relations with the X-Men, and even allowed to keep the new portal to Limbo open as a new embassy by effectively blackmailing the US into doing so. All in all, when you consider the amount of help she gave Chasm and Hallows' Eve, how she and Chasm share responsibility in turning Eddie Brock into Bedlam, and [[AMillionIsAStatistic the amount of deaths caused on Christmas Eve by the demons of Limbo]], many fans think the X-Men were [[EasilyForgiven far too lenient]] with how they handled her, especially since Madelyne Pryor [[TheBadGuyWins effectively got everything she wanted from her plan and more]].

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** Madelyne Pryor, the Goblin Queen, initially wants the X-Men (and Jean Grey in particular) to pay for stealing her happy life. She uses Chasm, Hallows' Eve, a brainwashed Venom, and the legions of Limbo to serve as distractions so that she can retrieve a Cerebro unit hidden in the X-Men's treehouse. Does she want it to expand her powers and make her an unstoppable force? No, she was only seeking the memories of Cable's childhood that were once given to Jean. This winds up rendering the story's conflict [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot pointless once Jean Grey and the X-Men are able to talk Madelyne down, and Jean shares the memories with her - with the only caveat being that Madelyne stop her invasion]]. The subsequent attempt of the narrative to paint Madelyne's actions in a [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathetic light]], and her sudden HeelFaceTurn, not only flies in the face of decades of needless antagonism towards the X-Men on her part, but also fails to recognize the sheer scale of collateral damage her plan caused, particularly for Eddie Brock who was blackmailed into participation just to find his son again. From here, joining the X-Men in stopping the invasion of Limbo could be interpreted either as wanting to make amends for her constant needless antagonism of the X-Men or deciding that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Ben and Janine have fulfilled their purpose as distractions and thus no longer worth helping]]. In the end, Madelyne is reestablished as the Queen of Limbo, back on good relations with the X-Men, and even allowed to keep the new portal to Limbo open as a new embassy by effectively blackmailing the US into doing so. All in all, when you consider the amount of help she gave Chasm and Hallows' Eve, how she and Chasm share responsibility in turning Eddie Brock into Bedlam, and [[AMillionIsAStatistic the amount of deaths caused on Christmas Eve by the demons of Limbo]], many fans think the X-Men were [[EasilyForgiven far too lenient]] with how they handled her, especially since Madelyne Pryor [[TheBadGuyWins effectively got everything she wanted from her plan and more]].
** Chasm wants to steal his memories back from Spider-Man, even starting with extra sympathy points for the accident that turned him into Chasm and his stay in Limbo causing him to suffer nightmares and hallucinations, painting him as not evil for its own sake but someone who is extremely mentally ill and in need of help but pushed to extremes due to paranoia and no longer being able to trust anyone save those who he feels have suffered like he has i.e. Madelyne Pryor and Janine. However, once Chasm actually springs into action, the reader begins to find it impossible to retain their sympathies because his own plans and motives become impossible to follow. Between his first major plan to use the invasion of Limbo to draw Spider-Man into a fight for revenge and to make him give up his memories, being sidetracked to beat down the reformed Norman Osborn as revenge for killing him and antagonize members of Spider-Man's supporting cast, his second major plan to use demons to psychologically torment Peter Parker through an over-the-top reenactment of his life working at the Daily Bugle into eating a demon fruit to give up his soul, his third major plan to transform random demons into Limbo-themed versions of Spier-Man's rogue's gallery to prolong his torment along with enhancing the chaos of the demon invasion, and his final off-the-cuff plan to simply take over Limbo with Hallows' Eve and destroy New York City as its new king, it becomes impossible for readers to keep track of what he's even trying to accomplish, let alone whether he still wants his memories back or if he just wants to torment Spider-Man. If it were the former goal, [[StatingTheSimpleSolution not only has he been shown using magic to steal memories before with Madelyne Pryor's help]], [[CouldHAveAvoidedThisPlot fans have pointed out that the X-Men (with Peter's permission) could easily have pacified Chasm by offering to copy Peter's portion of Ben's missing memories into him like they did to help Madelyne]]. If it were the latter, then Peter himself points out that Chasm not only did not need to involve anyone else in their quarrel, but that all of his attempts to torture Peter are a massive waste of time due to hinging on a fundamental misunderstanding of Peter Parker/Spider-Man's nature as the {{Determinator}}. [[LampshadeHanging It really doesn't help that the story itself comments through Spider-Man and Madelyne]] that Chasm's frayed sanity and obsession with Spider-Man mean none of his plans ever had any internal logic behind them beyond making Peter Parker and New York City as a whole suffer. [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking On a lesser scale,]] compared to Madelyne Pryor, Hallows' Eve, and the brainwashed Venom, Chasm still carries Ben's/Peter's tendency to joke and quip in all but the most serious situations, making it ambiguous whether the reader is meant to take Chasm's angst and gallows humor regarding his losses at face value or to laugh along with the dark humor and over-the-top hamminess he engages in with abundance during the story. In essence, the narrative's attempts to establish Chasm as EvilerThanThou compared to Madelyne Pryor, along with his general SanitySlippage, makes Chasm impossible to root for due to falling into StupidEvil territory right at the start and never stopping. Even Chasm's ultimate fate is confused on whether the reader is meant to pity or scorn Chasm, as he's made to take [[TheScapegoat the entirety of the blame]] for planning the invasion of Limbo, left imprisoned and alone in the new embassy in comfortable surroundings as a small concession on Madelyne's part for involving him in all of this, before the story seemingly tries to remove any remaining sympathy by showing Chasm angrily brooding rather than accepting Madelyne and Peter's offers of help. Overall, readers are left confused on whether to consider the narrative is asking them to consider Ben a sympathetic victim of circumstance due to his clear mental illness and being an ignorant pawn in someone else's conflict until he was discarded, or an irredeemable monster due to his gleeful slide down into StupidEvil once cut loose by Madelyne and unrepentant nature. Many can't even decide if Ben would even go to such extreme measures in the first place were he not crazy-town banana-pants [[ConflictBall for the sake of having a final villain]].

** Madelyne Pryor, the Goblin Queen, starts with a vague but grandiose goal, wanting the X-Men (and Jean Grey in particular) to pay for stealing her happy life. She uses Chasm, Hallows' Eve, a brainwashed Venom, and the legions of Limbo to serve as distractions so that she can retrieve a Cerebro unit hidden in the X-Men's treehouse. Does she want it to expand her powers and make her an unstoppable force? No, she was only seeking the memories of Cable's childhood that were once given to Jean. This winds up rendering the story's conflict [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot pointless once Jean Grey and the X-Men are able to talk Madelyne down, and Jean shares the memories with her - with the only caveat being that Madelyne stop her invasion]]. The subsequent attempt of the narrative to paint Madelyne's actions in a [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathetic light]], and her sudden HeelFaceTurn, not only flies in the face of decades of needless antagonism towards the X-Men on her part, but also fails to recognize the sheer scale of collateral damage her plan caused, particularly for Eddie Brock who was blackmailed into participation just to find his son again. From here, joining the X-Men in stopping the invasion of Limbo could be interpreted either as wanting to make amends for her constant needless antagonism of the X-Men or deciding that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Ben and Janine have fulfilled their purpose as distractions and thus no longer worth helping]]. In the end, Madelyne is reestablished as the Queen of Limbo, back on good relations with the X-Men, and even allowed to keep the new portal to Limbo open as a new embassy by effectively blackmailing the US into doing so. All in all, when you consider the amount of help she gave Chasm and Hallows' Eve, how she and Chasm share responsibility in turning Eddie Brock into Bedlam, and [[AMillionIsAStatistic the amount of deaths caused on Christmas Eve by the demons of Limbo]], many fans think the X-Men were [[EasilyForgiven far too lenient]] with how they handled her, especially since Madelyne Pryor [[TheBadGuyWins effectively got everything she wanted from her plan and more]].
** Chasm begins with the understandable goal of capturing Spider-Man to forcibly steal his memories back, even starting with extra sympathy points for the accident that turned him into Chasm and his stay in Limbo causing him to suffer nightmares and hallucinations, painting him as not evil for its own sake but someone who is extremely mentally ill and in need of help but pushed to extremes due to paranoia and no longer being able to trust anyone save those who he feels have suffered like he has i.e. Madelyne Pryor and Janine. However, once Chasm actually springs into action, the reader begins to find it impossible to retain their sympathies because his own plans and motives become impossible to follow. Between his first major plan to use the invasion of Limbo to draw Spider-Man into a fight for revenge and to make him give up his memories, being sidetracked to beat down the reformed Norman Osborn as revenge for killing him and antagonize members of Spider-Man's supporting cast, his second major plan to use demons to psychologically torment Peter Parker through an over-the-top reenactment of his life working at the Daily Bugle into eating a demon fruit to give up his soul, his third major plan to transform random demons into Limbo-themed versions of Spier-Man's rogue's gallery to prolong his torment along with enhancing the chaos of the demon invasion, and his final off-the-cuff plan to simply take over Limbo with Hallows' Eve and destroy New York City as its new king, it becomes impossible for readers to keep track of what he's even trying to accomplish, let alone whether he still wants his memories back or if he just wants to torment Spider-Man. If it were the former goal, [[StatingTheSimpleSolution not only has he been shown using magic to steal memories before with Madelyne Pryor's help]], [[CouldHAveAvoidedThisPlot fans have pointed out that the X-Men (with Peter's permission) could easily have pacified Chasm by offering to copy Peter's portion of Ben's missing memories into him like they did to help Madelyne]]. If it were the latter, then Peter himself points out that Chasm not only did not need to involve anyone else in their quarrel, but that all of his attempts to torture Peter are a massive waste of time due to hinging on a fundamental misunderstanding of Peter Parker/Spider-Man's nature as the {{Determinator}}. [[LampshadeHanging It really doesn't help that the story itself comments through Spider-Man and Madelyne]] that Chasm's frayed sanity and obsession with Spider-Man mean none of his plans ever had any internal logic behind them beyond making Peter Parker and New York City as a whole suffer. [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking On a lesser scale,]] compared to Madelyne Pryor, Hallows' Eve, and the brainwashed Venom, Chasm still carries Ben's/Peter's tendency to joke and quip in all but the most serious situations, making it ambiguous whether the reader is meant to take Chasm's angst and gallows humor regarding his losses at face value or to laugh along with the dark humor and over-the-top hamminess he engages in with abundance during the story. In essence, the narrative's attempts to establish Chasm as EvilerThanThou compared to Madelyne Pryor, along with his general SanitySlippage, makes Chasm impossible to root for due to falling into StupidEvil territory right at the start and never stopping. Even Chasm's ultimate fate is confused on whether the reader is meant to pity or scorn Chasm, as he's made to take [[TheScapegoat the entirety of the blame]] for planning the invasion of Limbo, left imprisoned and alone in the new embassy in comfortable surroundings as a small concession on Madelyne's part for involving him in all of this, before the story seemingly tries to slam the door shut on any remaining sympathy points by showing Chasm giving Madelyne and Peter's offers to help him the silent treatment in favor of angrily brooding over his losses. Overall, readers are left confused on whether to consider the narrative is asking them to consider Ben a sympathetic victim of circumstance due to his clear mental illness and being an ignorant pawn in someone else's conflict until he was discarded, or an irredeemable monster due to his gleeful slide down into StupidEvil once cut loose by Madelyne and unrepentant nature. Many can't even decide if Ben would even go to such extreme measures in the first place were he not crazy-town banana-pants [[ConflictBall for the sake of having a final villain]].

** Madelyne Pryor, the Goblin Queen, starts with a vague but grandiose goal, wanting the X-Men (and Jean Grey in particular) to pay for stealing her happy life. She uses Chasm, Hallows' Eve, a brainwashed Venom, and the legions of Limbo to serve as distractions so that she can retrieve a Cerebro unit hidden in the X-Men's treehouse. Does she want it to expand her powers and make her an unstoppable force? No, she was only seeking the memories of Cable's childhood that were once given to Jean. This winds up rendering the story's conflict [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot pointless once Jean Grey and the X-Men are able to talk Madelyne down, and Jean shares the memories with her - with the only caveat being that Madelyne stop her invasion]]. The subsequent attempt of the narrative to paint Madelyne's actions in a [[SympathyForTheDevil sympathetic light]], and her sudden HeelFaceTurn, not only flies in the face of decades of needless antagonism towards the X-Men on her part, but also fails to recognize the sheer scale of collateral damage her plan caused, particularly for Eddie Brock who was blackmailed into participation just to find his son again. From here, joining the X-Men in stopping the invasion of Limbo could be interpreted either as wanting to make amends for her constant needless antagonism of the X-Men or deciding that [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness Ben and Janine have fulfilled their purpose as distractions and thus no longer worth helping]]. In the end, Madelyne is reestablished as the Queen of Limbo, back on good relations with the X-Men, and even allowed to keep the new portal to Limbo open as a new embassy by effectively blackmailing the US into doing so. All in all, when you consider the amount of help she gave Chasm and Hallows' Eve, how she and Chasm share responsibility in turning Eddie Brock into Bedlam, and [[AMillionIsAStatistic the amount of deaths caused on Christmas Eve by the demons of Limbo]], many fans think the X-Men were [[EasilyForgiven far too lenient]] with how they handled her, especially since Madelyne Pryor [[TheBadGuyWins effectively got everything she wanted from her plan and more]].
** Chasm begins with the understandable goal of capturing Spider-Man to forcibly steal his memories back, even starting with extra sympathy points for the accident that turned him into Chasm and his stay in Limbo causing him to suffer nightmares and hallucinations, painting him as not evil for its own sake but someone who is extremely mentally ill and in need of help but pushed to extremes due to paranoia and no longer being able to trust anyone save those who he feels have suffered like he has i.e. Madelyne Pryor and Janine. However, once Chasm actually springs into action, the reader begins to find it impossible to retain their sympathies because his own plans and motives become impossible to follow. Between his first major plan to use the invasion of Limbo to draw Spider-Man into a fight for revenge and to make him give up his memories, being sidetracked to beat down the reformed Norman Osborn as revenge for killing him and antagonize members of Spider-Man's supporting cast, his second major plan to use demons to psychologically torment Peter Parker through an over-the-top reenactment of his life working at the Daily Bugle into eating a demon fruit to give up his soul, his third major plan to transform random demons into Limbo-themed versions of Spier-Man's rogue's gallery to prolong his torment along with enhancing the chaos of the demon invasion, and his final off-the-cuff plan to simply take over Limbo with Hallows' Eve and destroy New York City as its new king, it becomes impossible for readers to keep track of what he's even trying to accomplish, let alone whether he still wants his memories back or if he just wants to torment Spider-Man. If it were the former goal, [[StatingTheSimpleSolution not only has he been shown using magic to steal memories before with Madelyne Pryor's help]], [[CouldHAveAvoidedThisPlot fans have pointed out that the X-Men (with Peter's permission) could easily have pacified Chasm by offering to copy Peter's portion of Ben's missing memories into him like they did to help Madelyne]]. If it were the latter, then Peter himself points out that Chasm not only did not need to involve anyone else in their quarrel, but that all of his attempts to torture Peter are a massive waste of time due to hinging on a fundamental misunderstanding of Peter Parker/Spider-Man's nature as the {{Determinator}}. [[LampshadeHanging It really doesn't help that the story itself comments through Spider-Man and Madelyne]] that Chasm's frayed sanity and obsession with Spider-Man mean none of his plans ever had any internal logic behind them beyond making Peter Parker and New York City as a whole suffer. [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking On a lesser scale,]] compared to Madelyne Pryor, Hallows' Eve, and the brainwashed Venom, Chasm still carries Ben's/Peter's tendency to joke and quip in all but the most serious situations, making it ambiguous whether the reader is meant to take Chasm's angst and gallows humor regarding his losses at face value or to laugh along with the dark humor and over-the-top hamminess he engages in with abundance during the story. In essence, the narrative's attempts to establish Chasm as EvilerThanThou compared to Madelyne Pryor, along with his general SanitySlippage, makes Chasm impossible to root for due to falling into StupidEvil territory right at the start and never stopping. Even Chasm's ultimate fate is confused on whether the reader is meant to pity or scorn Chasm, as he's made to take [[TheScapegoat the entirety of the blame]] for planning the invasion of Limbo, left imprisoned and alone in the new embassy in comfortable surroundings as a small concession on Madelyne's part for involving him in all of this, before the story seemingly tries to slam the door shut on any remaining sympathy points by showing Chasm giving Madelyne and Peter's offers to help him the silent treatment in favor of angrily brooding over his losses. Overall, readers are left confused on whether to consider the narrative is asking them to consider Ben a sympathetic victim of circumstance due to his clear mental illness and being an ignorant pawn in someone else's conflict until he was discarded, or an irredeemable monster due to his gleeful slide down into StupidEvil once cut loose by Madelyne and unrepentant nature. Many can't even decide if Ben would even go to such extreme measures in the first place were he not crazy-town banana-pants [[ConflictBall for the sake of having a final villain]].