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* BetterTheDevilYouKnow: Possibly. Klarion's death in the Renegade timeline left a [[EvilPowerVacuum power vacuum]] that allowed Mordru to return to the world. Whether NeutralEvil or ChaoticEvil is worse... well, it's hard to say.
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* BetterTheDevilYouKnow: Possibly. Klarion's death in the Renegade timeline left a [[EvilPowerVacuum power vacuum]] that allowed Mordru to return to the world. Whether NeutralEvil or ChaoticEvil is worse... well, it's hard to say.
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** Wolf Krieger didn't get in touch with Klarion and Vandal Savage in the Renegade timeline, so he's [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6499127 still in the preparation stage of his plan]].
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** Wolf remembers how his last fight against OL went, so he [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6496307 mostly ignored Rocket and focused his control on OL]].
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** Wolf remembers how his last fight against OL went, so he [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6496307 mostly ignored Rocket and focused his control efforts on OL]].
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** Wolf remembers how his last fight against OL went, so he [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6496307 mostly ignored Rocket and focused his control on OL]].
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** A combination of the Kriegers teleporting in and the wards around the house [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6495333 prevented Zatanna and Canis from realizing Paul and Rocket needed help]].
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* MorallySuperiorCopy: Schreiber, a clone of Hitler, due to an issue in keeping track of him when he was an infant, was raised as a normal orphan and became a NiceGuy who actually married a black woman.
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* MorallySuperiorCopy: Helmut Schreiber, a clone of Hitler, was raised as a normal orphan due to an issue in keeping track of him when he was an infant, was raised as a normal orphan infant and became a NiceGuy who actually eventually married and had children with a black woman.
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* YouClonedHitler: The Kriegers did, but didn't follow up properly, and "Helmut Schreiber" has settled down happily with his architectural practice, his African-descent wife and their three children. Paul can't stop laughing when he finds out. Unfortunately that's not the end of it; even though the clone isn't ideologically a Nazi, he's still a potential TargetedHumanSacrifice to get the original's spirit back as a kernel of a new [[AnthropomorphicPersonification god]] of Fascism.
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* YouClonedHitler: The Kriegers did, but didn't follow up properly, and "Helmut Schreiber" has settled down happily with his architectural practice, his African-descent wife and their three children. Paul and Rocket [[LaughThemselvesSick can't stop laughing laughing]] when he finds they find out. Unfortunately that's not the end of it; even though the clone isn't ideologically a Nazi, he's still a potential TargetedHumanSacrifice to get the original's spirit back as a kernel of a new [[AnthropomorphicPersonification god]] god of Fascism.Fascism]].
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* ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice: Helmut Schreiber stabs Wolf Krieger with the Spear of Destiny.
--> "I am not!" I push myself up to see Mister Schreiber stamp on Wolf's right hand as he reaches out to grab the Spear of Destiny from where it fell. "A fucking!" He grabs the Spear himself. "NAZI!" He shoves the Spear downwards blade first, right into Wolf's chest.
--> "I am not!" I push myself up to see Mister Schreiber stamp on Wolf's right hand as he reaches out to grab the Spear of Destiny from where it fell. "A fucking!" He grabs the Spear himself. "NAZI!" He shoves the Spear downwards blade first, right into Wolf's chest.
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* ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice: Helmut Schreiber repeatedly stabs Wolf Krieger in the chest with the Spear of Destiny.
--> "I am not!" I push myself up to see Mister Schreiber stamp on Wolf's right hand as he reaches out to grab the Spear of Destiny from where it fell. "A fucking!" He grabs the Spear himself. "NAZI!" He shoves the Spear downwards blade first, right into Wolf's chest.Destiny.
--> "I am not!" I push myself up to see Mister Schreiber stamp on Wolf's right hand as he reaches out to grab the Spear of Destiny from where it fell. "A fucking!" He grabs the Spear himself. "NAZI!" He shoves the Spear downwards blade first, right into Wolf's chest.
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* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill: Paul takes no chances when it comes to taking down Albrecht Krieger and fires everything he's got at him.
--> '''Paul:''' (''internally'') I have no idea whether his power is arcane, metahuman or alchemical. So I just hit him with everything. Regular rounds, crumblers and mageslayers. On the off-chance I even use a couple of the angel feather fragment tipped ones John designed.
--> '''Paul:''' (''internally'') I have no idea whether his power is arcane, metahuman or alchemical. So I just hit him with everything. Regular rounds, crumblers and mageslayers. On the off-chance I even use a couple of the angel feather fragment tipped ones John designed.
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* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill: Paul takes no chances when it comes to taking down Albrecht Krieger and fires everything he's got at him.
--> '''Paul:''' (''internally'') I have no idea whetherhim. After Albrecht is incapacitated by the numerous bullet holes in his power is arcane, metahuman or alchemical. So I just hit him with everything. Regular rounds, crumblers and mageslayers. On the off-chance I even use a couple of the angel feather fragment tipped ones John designed.chest, Paul then [[DoubleTap shoots two shots into his eyes]].
--> '''Paul:''' (''internally'') I have no idea whether
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* ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice: Helmut Schreiber stabs Wolf Krieger with the Spear of Destiny.
--> "I am not!" I push myself up to see Mister Schreiber stamp on Wolf's right hand as he reaches out to grab the Spear of Destiny from where it fell. "A fucking!" He grabs the Spear himself. "NAZI!" He shoves the Spear downwards blade first, right into Wolf's chest.
--> "I am not!" I push myself up to see Mister Schreiber stamp on Wolf's right hand as he reaches out to grab the Spear of Destiny from where it fell. "A fucking!" He grabs the Spear himself. "NAZI!" He shoves the Spear downwards blade first, right into Wolf's chest.
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* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill: Paul takes no chances when it comes to taking down Albrecht Krieger and fires everything he's got at him.
--> '''Paul:''' (''internally'') I have no idea whether his power is arcane, metahuman or alchemical. So I just hit him with everything. Regular rounds, crumblers and mageslayers. On the off-chance I even use a couple of the angel feather fragment tipped ones John designed.
--> '''Paul:''' (''internally'') I have no idea whether his power is arcane, metahuman or alchemical. So I just hit him with everything. Regular rounds, crumblers and mageslayers. On the off-chance I even use a couple of the angel feather fragment tipped ones John designed.
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* PhlebotinumOverload: Paul's spell eaters are unable to cope with the Spear of Destiny, instantly being overwhelmed even after Paul replaces the one he's wearing.
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* PhlebotinumOverload: Paul's spell eaters Spell Eaters are unable to cope with the Spear of Destiny, instantly being overwhelmed even after Paul replaces the one he's wearing.
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** As the Renegade never needed to go to Atlantis to get protection from magic, [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489386 spell eaters don't exist in the Renegade timeline]].
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** As the Renegade never needed to go to Atlantis to get protection from magic, [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489386 spell eaters Spell Eaters don't exist in the Renegade timeline]].
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** Paul can't use his ring to absorb the excess heat of his spell eater because [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6488766 the heat is a side effect of it reaching magic capacity]].
** Spell eaters [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489187 can be made bigger in order to absorb more magic]], though that comes with [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489685 its own problems]].
** Adding more features to a spell eater is [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489407 impractical at best]].
** Spell eaters [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489187 can be made bigger in order to absorb more magic]], though that comes with [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489685 its own problems]].
** Adding more features to a spell eater is [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489407 impractical at best]].
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** Paul can't use his ring to absorb the excess heat of his spell eater Spell Eater because [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6488766 the heat is a side effect of it reaching magic capacity]].
** Spelleaters Eaters [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489187 can be made bigger in order to absorb more magic]], though that comes with [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489685 its own problems]].
** Adding more features to aspell eater Spell Eater is [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489407 impractical at best]].
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** Spell eaters [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489187 can be made bigger in order to absorb more magic]], though that comes with its own problems.
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** Spell eaters [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489187 can be made bigger in order to absorb more magic]], though that comes with [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489685 its own problems.problems]].
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** Spell eaters [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489187 can be made bigger in order to absorb more magic]], though that comes with [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489407 its own problems]].
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** Spell eaters [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489187 can be made bigger in order to absorb more magic]], though that comes with its own problems.
** Adding more features to a spell eater is [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489407its own problems]].impractical at best]].
** Adding more features to a spell eater is [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489407
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** Spell eaters [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489187 can be made bigger in order to absorb more magic]], though that comes with [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489407 its own problems.problems]].
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* ForWantOfANail: Due to the Renegade being more discreet when getting data, scry wards [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6366888 aren't as common in the Renegade timeline]] as they are in the Paragon timeline.
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** Due to the Renegade being more discreet when getting data, scry wards [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6366888 aren't as common in the Renegade timeline]] as they are in the Paragon timeline.
** As the Renegade never needed to go to Atlantis to get protection from magic, [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489386 spell eaters don't exist in the Renegade timeline]].
** Due to the Renegade being more discreet when getting data, scry wards [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6366888 aren't as common in the Renegade timeline]] as they are in the Paragon timeline.
** As the Renegade never needed to go to Atlantis to get protection from magic, [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6489386 spell eaters don't exist in the Renegade timeline]].
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** Paul can't use his ring to absorb the excess heat of his spell eater because [[https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/with-this-ring-young-justice-si-thread-twelve.25032/post-6488766 the heat is a side effect of it reaching magic capacity]].
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* WardrobeMalfunction: Discussed. Superman tells Paul that he wears a belt because his trunks used to get pulled down when he flew too fast.
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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: Superman tells Paul that he wears a belt because his trunks used to get pulled down when he flew too fast.
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* GetOut: Helmut Schreiber says this after Paul reveals that he's a clone of Hitler.
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: When Helmut Schreiber first meets Orange Lantern and Rocket, he surprises the both of them. As opposing to knowing OL as [[OnceDoneNeverForgotten the Cake Man]], Helmut remembers OL as the hero who was important in the Klarion terrorist incident and sees Rocket as his daughters' idol and role model. This establishes his as FamilyMan who is as far from a Nazi as you can get.
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: When Helmut Schreiber first meets Orange Lantern and Rocket, he surprises the both of them. As opposing to knowing OL as [[OnceDoneNeverForgotten the Cake Man]], Helmut remembers OL as the hero who was important in the Klarion terrorist incident and sees Rocket as his daughters' idol and role model. This establishes his him as FamilyMan who is as far from a Nazi as you can get.
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* BaitAndSwitch: When Paul first meets Helmut Schreiber, the latter recognizes him immediately. Paul automatically assumes that this is because he knows him as [[OnceDoneNeverForgotten the Cake Man]], but is swiftly proven wrong when he identifies Paul as the Orange Lantern.
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: When Helmut Schreiber first meets Orange Lantern and Rocket, he surprises the both of them. As opposing to knowing OL as the [[OnceDoneNeverForgotten the Cake Man]], Helmut remembers OL as the hero who was important in the Klarion terrorist incident and sees Rocket as his daughters' idol and role model. Which This establishes his as FamilyMan who is as far from a Nazi as you can get.