Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Main / OlderThanPrint

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Now found to be Older Than Dirt (Egyptian poetry from the 13th century BCE).


* SexySoakedShirt: Story 6 of Day Ten of ''Literature/TheDecameron'' has a central scene in which the twin daughters of Messer Neri degli Uberti, dressed demurely in white dresses, go fully clothed into their father's fishing pool to catch fish for a banquet her father is hosting for the King of Naples and his court. The king and his courtiers were charmed by the girls when they walked in from the house, but absolutely captivated once they emerged from the water:
-->''On seeing that the fish had been cooked, the girls emerged from the pool, their fishing done, with their thin white dresses clinging to their flesh so as to conceal almost nothing of their dainty bodies.... The King, the Count, and the others who were waiting upon him had been eying the girls most attentively, and each of them had secretly much admired their beauty and shapeliness, as well as their charm and impeccable manners, but it was upon the King that they made the deepest impression. Indeed, he had studied every part of their bodies as they emerged from the water, that if anyone had pinched him at that moment he would not have noticed.''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FirstContactFarmer: Kaguya in ''Literature/TheTaleOfTheBambooCutter'' is a princess of the moon who is found and raised by a lowly bamboo cutter until she decides to return to it after becoming an adult.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ''Literature/TheTaleOfTheBambooCutter''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* YouCannotKillAnIdea: Quoth [[Myth/NorseMythology Odin]] in the ''Literature/PoeticEdda'' (more specifically, ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A1vam%C3%A1l Hávamál]]''): "Cattle die, kinsmen die, you yourself will also die; but the fair fame never dies of him who has earned it."

to:

* YouCannotKillAnIdea: Quoth [[Myth/NorseMythology Odin]] in the ''Literature/PoeticEdda'' (more specifically, in the poem ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A1vam%C3%A1l Hávamál]]''): "Cattle die, kinsmen die, you yourself will also die; but the fair fame never dies of him who has earned it."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* YouCannotKillAnIdea: Quoth [[Myth/NorseMythology Odin]] in the ''Literature/PoeticEdda'' (more specifically, ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A1vam%C3%A1l Hávamál]]''): "Cattle die, kinsmen die, you yourself will also die; but the fair fame never dies of him who has earned it."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* RediscoveringRootsTrip: According to ''Literature/{{Heimskringla}}'', King Sveigdir, the fourth successor of Odin as ruler of Sweden, went looking for Godheim (the "land of the Gods") from whence his ancestors came to Sweden four generations earlier. He spends five years in Asgard and Vanaheim and there "met many of his relatives".

Added: 352

Changed: 118

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Almost everything we know of Myth/CelticMythology and Myth/NorseMythology was first written down during this period.



* Almost everything we know of Myth/CelticMythology and Myth/NorseMythology was first written down during this period.

to:

* Almost everything we know of Myth/CelticMythology and Myth/NorseMythology was first written down during this period.Art/TheGhentAltarpiece


Added DiffLines:

* ChromaticArrangement: Art/TheGhentAltarpiece, painted before 1432, demonstrates this trope in its depiction of God the Father, St. John the Baptist, and the Virgin Mary, demonstrably bringing it in ''just'' before the dividing line.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FlyingSaucer: A spaceship shaped like this is depicted in an illustration of ''Literature/TheTaleOfTheBambooCutter''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* MagicIsFeminine: In ancient Norse culture, men using magic were considered ''ergi'', or unmanly, for doing so and greatly scorned. This is even brought up by the magical trickster god Loki in ''Lokasenna'' where Loki openly mocked Odin, the king of the Norse gods, for being a magic-user after Odin mocked him for shapeshifting into a female and bearing children.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BlackKnight: The two black knights from [[Myth/KingArthur Arthurian legend]].

to:

* BlackKnight: The two black knights from [[Myth/KingArthur Arthurian legend]].Myth/ArthurianLegend.



* TheCallLeftAMessage: The Sword in the Stone and the Siege Perilous from the KingArthur legends.

to:

* TheCallLeftAMessage: The Sword in the Stone and the Siege Perilous from the KingArthur legends.[[Myth/AruthrianLegend Arthurian legends]].



* DamselErrant: In [[KingArthur Arthurian myths]], such as in the Forest of Arroy.

to:

* DamselErrant: In [[KingArthur [[Myth/ArthurianLegend Arthurian myths]], such as in the Forest of Arroy.



* KingInTheMountain: KingArthur in Cadbury Hill, Frederick Barbarossa in Kyffhäuser, King Wenceslas in Blaník, to only name a few.

to:

* KingInTheMountain: KingArthur Myth/KingArthur in Cadbury Hill, Frederick Barbarossa in Kyffhäuser, King Wenceslas in Blaník, to only name a few.



* Myth/{{Merlin}}: The "modern" incarnation of him began in this time period, along with the modern [[KingArthur Arthurian mythos]].
* MerlinAndNimue (a relationship between two magic-users): The pair from [[KingArthur Arthurian legend]] are the {{Trope Namer}}s and makers.

to:

* Myth/{{Merlin}}: The "modern" incarnation of him began in this time period, along with the modern [[KingArthur [[Myth/ArthurianLegend Arthurian mythos]].
* MerlinAndNimue (a relationship between two magic-users): The pair from [[KingArthur Arthurian legend]] Myth/ArthurianLegend are the {{Trope Namer}}s and makers.



* SecretStabWound: In one KingArthur story, Sir Gareth inflicted one of these on a BlackKnight in a joust; said knight abruptly fell dead during the ensuing swordfight.

to:

* SecretStabWound: In one KingArthur Myth/KingArthur story, Sir Gareth inflicted one of these on a BlackKnight in a joust; said knight abruptly fell dead during the ensuing swordfight.



* TurnOutLikeHisFather: Some variants of Percival, from KingArthur myths.

to:

* TurnOutLikeHisFather: Some variants of Percival, from KingArthur myths.Myth/ArthurianLegend.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Most sources of [[KingArthur Arthurian legend]], from Geoffrey of Monmouth's ''Literature/HistoriaRegumBritanniae'' (12th century) to ''Literature/SirGawainAndTheGreenKnight''.

to:

* Most sources of [[KingArthur Arthurian legend]], Myth/ArthurianLegend, from Geoffrey of Monmouth's ''Literature/HistoriaRegumBritanniae'' (12th century) to ''Literature/SirGawainAndTheGreenKnight''.

Added: 1124

Changed: 4

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


%%Larger images from abdn.ac.uk itself are forbidden by their copywrite notice

to:

%%Larger images from abdn.ac.uk itself are forbidden by their copywrite copyright notice


Added DiffLines:

* SexySoakedShirt: Story 6 of Day Ten of ''Literature/TheDecameron'' has a central scene in which the twin daughters of Messer Neri degli Uberti, dressed demurely in white dresses, go fully clothed into their father's fishing pool to catch fish for a banquet her father is hosting for the King of Naples and his court. The king and his courtiers were charmed by the girls when they walked in from the house, but absolutely captivated once they emerged from the water:
-->''On seeing that the fish had been cooked, the girls emerged from the pool, their fishing done, with their thin white dresses clinging to their flesh so as to conceal almost nothing of their dainty bodies.... The King, the Count, and the others who were waiting upon him had been eying the girls most attentively, and each of them had secretly much admired their beauty and shapeliness, as well as their charm and impeccable manners, but it was upon the King that they made the deepest impression. Indeed, he had studied every part of their bodies as they emerged from the water, that if anyone had pinched him at that moment he would not have noticed.''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ProxyWar: The 6th century conflict between the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire and its chief rival the Sassanid (Persian) Empire saw one of these play out over Yemen, with both powers sending rival missionaries to convert the Yemenis and gain their allegiance. When the Sassanids succeeded, the ERE got their East African ally Axum to invade and conquer Yemen.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* WifeHusbandry: Hikaru Genji does this with/to Murasaki in ''Literature/TaleOfGenji''. King Conchobar of Ulster tries to do this with Deirdre in ''Literature/DeirdreOfTheSorrows'', but it doesn't work.

to:

* WifeHusbandry: Hikaru Genji does this with/to Murasaki in ''Literature/TaleOfGenji''. King Conchobar of Ulster tries to do this with Deirdre in ''Literature/DeirdreOfTheSorrows'', ''Literature/TheExileOfTheSonsOfUisnech'', but it doesn't work.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FieryRedhead: [[Myth/NorseMythology Thor]], in spite of what later adaptations (and not just the Creator/MarvelComics one) would have you believe, was always described as red-haired and red-bearded. As for his temper, his description in ''Literature/TheEddas'' is:
--> He was merry and blithe of spirit, but terrible in his wrath.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Literature/TheQuran. It was orally transmitted throughout [[UsefulNotes/TheProphetMuhammad the Prophet]]'s lifetime and was only codified by his successors. Final canonization was done during the reign of caliph Uthman (644-656 CE).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ThudAndBlunder: ''Literature/{{Beowulf}}''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Various versions of ''Literature/ReynardTheFox''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
All information on the wiki is expected to be correct, so affirmations of factuality like "Yes, really!" are redundant. Whether this example is Older Than They Think depends entirely on what "they" think, and truth be told, we don't know what "they" think.


* TheNewRockAndRoll: [[OlderThanTheyThink Yes, really.]] In the 12th century, the Church denied all sacraments, including last rites, to all minstrels and street performers, effectively damning them all to Hell. The reason? Supposedly, what they did was unproductive and seduced people away from a "proper" Christian life. During the Middle Ages, musicians were seen as corruptors of youth who presumably learned their skills in Hell.

to:

* TheNewRockAndRoll: [[OlderThanTheyThink Yes, really.]] In the 12th century, the Church denied all sacraments, including last rites, to all minstrels and street performers, effectively damning them all to Hell. The reason? Supposedly, what they did was unproductive and seduced people away from a "proper" Christian life. During the Middle Ages, musicians were seen as corruptors of youth who presumably learned their skills in Hell.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TheNewRockAndRoll: [[OlderThanTheyThink Yes, really.]] In the 12th century, the Church denied all sacraments, including last rites, to all minstrels and street performers, effectively damning them all to Hell. The reason? Supposedly, what they did was unproductive and seduced people away from a "proper" Christian life. During the Middle Ages, musicians were seen as corruptors of youth who presumably learned their skills in Hell.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* AWizardDidIt: The Man of Law's Tale from ''Literature/TheCanterburyTales''. Constance was alone on a ship, adrift at sea, for years. Why didn't the ship sink? Why didn't she run out of food or fresh water? Conclusion: Jesus did it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SituationalHandSwitch: When the eponymous hero of ''Literature/{{Waltharius}}'' gets his right hand cut off in combat, he at once draws his backup sword and fights the battle to a draw.

to:

* SituationalHandSwitch: When the eponymous hero of ''Literature/{{Waltharius}}'' gets his right hand cut off in combat, he at once draws his backup sword with his left hand and fights the battle to a draw.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* SituationalHandSwitch: When the eponymous hero of ''Literature/{{Waltharius}}'' gets his right hand cut off in combat, he at once draws his backup sword and fights the battle to a draw.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Bastet from Egyptian Mythology is even older.


* SexyCatPerson: This dates back at least to Myth/NorseMythology, which associated the LoveGoddess Freyja with cats.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HandCannon: The TropeNamer was a late 13th-century Chinese invention; the earliest models were literally miniaturised handheld cannons, hence the name. (In some cases it was also already called a handgun, sometimes spelled "hand''gonne''".[[note]]What, you thought Creator/TerryPratchett invented [[Literature/MenAtArms that spelling]]?[[/note]]) It reached Europe around the early 14th century.

to:

* HandCannon: The TropeNamer was a late 13th-century Chinese invention; invention, the precursor to all modern handheld firearms; the earliest models were literally miniaturised handheld cannons, hence the name. (In some cases it was also already called a handgun, sometimes spelled "hand''gonne''".[[note]]What, you thought Creator/TerryPratchett invented [[Literature/MenAtArms that spelling]]?[[/note]]) It reached Europe around the early 14th century.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CorruptChurch: Medieval Western Europe allegedly got it bad enough to be commented on in several contemporary sources. The most notable of these is Dante, who puts several popes in Hell for corruption in the ''[[Literature/TheDivineComedy Inferno]]'', and the one pope we meet in the ''Purgatorio'' is also there for being too greedy before he repented.

to:

* CorruptChurch: Medieval Western Europe allegedly got it bad enough to be commented on in several contemporary sources. The most notable of these is Dante, who puts several popes in Hell for corruption in the ''[[Literature/TheDivineComedy Inferno]]'', and the one pope we meet in the ''Purgatorio'' is also there for being too greedy before he repented. The same complaint is also what sparked the Protestant Reformation in the first place, which closely follows Gutenberg's invention of the Western printing press.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HandCannon: The TropeNamer was a late 13th-century Chinese invention; the earliest models were literally miniaturised handheld cannons, hence the name. (In some cases it was also already called a handgun, sometimes spelled "hand''gonne''".[[note]]What, you thought Creator/TerryPratchett invented [[Discworld/MenAtArms that spelling]]?[[/note]]) It reached Europe around the early 14th century.

to:

* HandCannon: The TropeNamer was a late 13th-century Chinese invention; the earliest models were literally miniaturised handheld cannons, hence the name. (In some cases it was also already called a handgun, sometimes spelled "hand''gonne''".[[note]]What, you thought Creator/TerryPratchett invented [[Discworld/MenAtArms [[Literature/MenAtArms that spelling]]?[[/note]]) It reached Europe around the early 14th century.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added an Older Than Feudalism example


* CourtroomEpisode: Elaborate law court scenes are found in many of the [[Literature/TheIcelandicSagas Sagas of Icelanders]].

to:

* %%* CourtroomEpisode: Elaborate law court scenes are found in many of the [[Literature/TheIcelandicSagas Sagas of Icelanders]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Vritra is older.


* DragonsAreDemonic: Niddhogg from Myth/NorseMythology, a dragon that gnaws at the roots of the WorldTree Yggdrasil in hopes of destroying all worlds.

Top