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** Another big aversion of Ketheric Thorm, the ArcVillain of Act II, and a half-elf general played by ''Creator/JKSimmons''. Not only is he an armor-clade dread knight, but he has a very noticeable beard and a haggard, aged complexion. The fact he's even remotely elven is only apparent with his pointed ears and his unusually long life span.
** The player themselves is free to play this straight, avert it, or even invert it by playing hyper-masculine elven women, thanks to the robust character creator. There are four body types available, two masc-presenting and two femme-presenting (each one getting a slim-athletic physique and a larger muscular physique), but these aren't locked to gender identity, with the option to choose your pronouns, your genitalia, and your voice, allowing you to create an elf that identifies as he/him and having male genitalia, but give them a feminine body, including breasts, to take this further than normal, or you can completely invert it by playing an elf who identifies as she/her, has female genitalia, but has a large muscular body with no visible breasts, as well as anything in between. This also applies to other races besides elves, as the options exist for all the human-sized races (humans, elves, drow, half-elves, tieflings, githyanki, etc).
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* ''Webcomic/{{Alfie}}'': Ailduin, to the point Vera is ''certain'' he's gay once she figures out he's male. She's rather surprised to learn that he's not (or at least, not at the moment; elf lifespans are so long that they eventually end up everywhere on the Kinsey scale at some point or another).

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* ''Webcomic/{{Alfie}}'': ''Webcomic/Alfie2010'': Ailduin, to the point Vera is ''certain'' he's gay once she figures out he's male. She's rather surprised to learn that he's not (or at least, not at the moment; elf lifespans are so long that they eventually end up everywhere on the Kinsey scale at some point or another).
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* Elves in ''Manga/DeliciousInDungeon'' are almost perfectly androgynous, but this doesn’t cause any problems for anyone except the [[ViewerGenderConfusion reader.]] A number of important characters, including the BigBad, had to be regarded in English with AmbiguousGender (leading to mistakes such as the official translation calling that BigBad female) until someone finally used an unambiguously gendered pronoun to refer to them, often many chapters later. This is highlighted in a one-page GenderBentAlternateUniverse {{omake}} the author drew, in which everyone saw significant changes to their face shape and hairstyles except the elf Marcille, who looked exactly the same.

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* Elves in ''Manga/DeliciousInDungeon'' are almost perfectly androgynous, but this doesn’t cause any problems for anyone except the [[ViewerGenderConfusion reader.]] A number of important characters, including the BigBad, had to be regarded in English with AmbiguousGender (leading to mistakes such as the official translation calling that BigBad female) until someone finally used an unambiguously gendered pronoun to refer to them, often many chapters later. This is highlighted in a one-page GenderBentAlternateUniverse {{omake}} the author drew, in which everyone saw significant changes to their face shape and hairstyles except the elf Marcille, who looked exactly the same.same, and in a sketch of the Canaries (an all-elf squad) with swapped genders, with the only differences being a previously shirtless male now wears a short crop-top, and the female members now have flat chests.
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* ''VideoGame/BaldursGate3'':
** Astarion, the high elf rogue origins character, plays this trope very straight, being a white-haired pretty boy who's very concerned about his appearance. He even admits that he uses his good looks for seduction.

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** Astarion, the high elf rogue origins character, plays this trope very straight, being a white-haired pretty boy PrettyBoy who's very concerned about his appearance. He even admits that he uses his good looks for seduction.
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* ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' doesn't have elves per se, but the [[MagicalNativeAmerican Hawkbrothers]] are quite similar - LongLived and maintaining a youthful appearance into late middle age, heavily associated with nature, very magical, having ties back to the setting's ancient and otherwise forgotten history, living largely isolated from the rest of the world in ludicrously beautiful {{Hidden Elf Village}}s and generally ''being'' isolationist, and tending towards androgyny. Some of this is because they don't see long hair, elaborate clothing, or really anything else as gendered, but they virtually all have pretty, feminine faces. In ''Winds of Change'' an outsider, Princess Elspeth of Valdemar, notes this and that the women all seem to be tall and broad-shouldered. When Darkwind shares fancy clothing from his own wardrobe with Elspeth it fits her quite well with little need for alteration. She's the swordfighting kind of princess rather than PrincessClassic, suggesting that the highly physically active Darkwind isn't a waif.
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* ''VideoGame/BaldursGate3'':
** Astarion, the high elf rogue origins character, plays this trope very straight, being a white-haired pretty boy who's very concerned about his appearance. He even admits that he uses his good looks for seduction.
** Gloriously averted by Halsin the wood elf druid, who is a large muscular {{hunk}} of a man who looks like he just walked out of a cologne commercial or a romance novel's cover. He is quite possibly the ''least'' effeminate elf to ever appear in a video game.
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* ''Webcomic/TheHandbookOfHeroes'' lists this trope as one of [[MayflyDecemberRomance two]] reasons to avoid romance with elves. Also, after Wizard's GenderBender, Fighter is unable to tell the difference.
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* ''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether'''s Xandir ''looks'' like an elf[[note]]Though he's actually based on [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Link]], who's not[[/note]], and is also CampGay. Given the nature of the show, where [[CrossesTheLineTwice EVERYONE]] is an [[AcceptableTargets Acceptable Target]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether'''s Xandir ''looks'' like an elf[[note]]Though he's actually based on [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Link]], who's not[[/note]], and is also CampGay. Given the nature of the show, where [[CrossesTheLineTwice EVERYONE]] is an [[AcceptableTargets Acceptable Target]].fair game to mock.
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* Elves in the ''Literature/ObsidianMountainTrilogy'' look, to humans not used to them, like a race of identical twins. Even when humans are more accustomed and can identify ones they know and make a reasonably accurate stab at their genders, ''elderly'' elves are even more androgynous. They also seem to have the least care for strict gender roles of any of the Races of the Light, being the only one that trains women for warfare, who of course wear the same kinds of clothing and armor in the field as men do.

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* Elves in the ''Literature/ObsidianMountainTrilogy'' ''Literature/TheObsidianTrilogy'' look, to humans not used to them, like a race of identical twins. Even when humans are more accustomed and can identify ones they know and make a reasonably accurate stab at their genders, ''elderly'' elves are even more androgynous. They also seem to have the least care for strict gender roles of any of the Races of the Light, being the only one that trains women for warfare, who of course wear the same kinds of clothing and armor in the field as men do.
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* Elves in the ''Literature/ObsidianMountainTrilogy'' look, to humans not used to them, like a race of identical twins. Even when humans are more accustomed and can identify ones they know and make a reasonably accurate stab at their genders, ''elderly'' elves are even more androgynous. They also seem to have the least care for strict gender roles of any of the Races of the Light, being the only one that trains women for warfare, who of course wear the same kinds of clothing and armor in the field as men do.
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Rated M For Manly is for works; Manly Man is for stereotypically masculine characters.


The "[[PermaShave no facial hair]]" clause helps, but it's only a little part of the image -- other beardless peoples are immune to this even while wearing [[BraidsBeadsAndBuckskins braids and beads]] ''and'' being among the [[FantasyCounterpartCulture prototypes]] for elves. One of the probable reasons why feminine qualities of elves are played up is the [[{{Foil}} intentional contrast]] between Elves and [[ElvesVsDwarves their traditional opposites]], [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame dwarves]], who are basically [[RatedMForManly hypermasculine]]: stout, muscular, hairy, axe-swinging drunks (which depending on the portrayal may apply to female dwarves as well, [[OneGenderRace if they even have them]]).

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The "[[PermaShave no facial hair]]" clause helps, but it's only a little part of the image -- other beardless peoples are immune to this even while wearing [[BraidsBeadsAndBuckskins braids and beads]] ''and'' being among the [[FantasyCounterpartCulture prototypes]] for elves. One of the probable reasons why feminine qualities of elves are played up is the [[{{Foil}} intentional contrast]] between Elves and [[ElvesVsDwarves their traditional opposites]], [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame dwarves]], who are basically [[RatedMForManly [[ManlyMan hypermasculine]]: stout, muscular, hairy, axe-swinging drunks (which depending on the portrayal may apply to female dwarves as well, [[OneGenderRace if they even have them]]).
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheDragonPrince,'' [[TheArchmage Aaravos]] invoked ViewerGenderConfusion for some fans--that is, [[BadassBaritone until he spoke]]. All the male elves seem to be {{Long Haired Pretty Boy}}s.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheDragonPrince,'' [[TheArchmage Aaravos]] invoked ViewerGenderConfusion for some fans--that is, [[BadassBaritone until he spoke]].spoke. All the male elves seem to be {{Long Haired Pretty Boy}}s.

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* ''LightNovel/HowNotToSummonADemonLord'': Upon being ambushed by elves, Takuma assumes that they're all flat-chested women until he notices that one of them has an adam's apple.



* As a joke from his programmers, Mare Bello Fiore from ''[[LightNovel/OverLord2012 Overlord]]'' dresses and looks like a girl, while his twin sister, Aura dresses like a boy.


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* ''Literature/HowNotToSummonADemonLord'': Upon being ambushed by elves, Takuma assumes that they're all flat-chested women until he notices that one of them has an adam's apple.
* As a joke from his programmers, Mare Bello Fiore from ''[[Literature/OverLord2012 Overlord]]'' dresses and looks like a girl, while his twin sister, Aura dresses like a boy.
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* You wouldn't know that Oberon from ''Anime/TheAncientMagusBride'' was a man until you hear him referred to as the fairy king.

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* You wouldn't know that Oberon from ''Anime/TheAncientMagusBride'' ''Manga/TheAncientMagusBride'' was a man until you hear him referred to as the fairy king.
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* In ''Mindflayed'' a barman [[http://mindflayed.0nyx.com/comic011.html called]] an elf "missy". That's when we [[BerserkButton get to know the elf wasn't]]. Later an idiot paladin made the same mistake three times -- the first time another member of the party held Lomylith back, but on the third, this guy [[DestinationDefenestration had to leave a high tower via the window]].

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* In ''Mindflayed'' a barman [[http://mindflayed.[[https://web.archive.org/web/20120813004803/http://mindflayed.0nyx.com/comic011.html called]] an elf "missy". That's when we [[BerserkButton get to know the elf wasn't]]. Later an idiot paladin made the same mistake three times -- the first time another member of the party held Lomylith back, but on the third, this guy [[DestinationDefenestration had to leave a high tower via the window]].
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* ''Webcomic/{{Alfie}}'': Ailduin, to the point Vera is ''certain'' he's gay once she figures out he's male. She's rather surprised to learn that he's not (or at least, not at the moment; elf lifespans are so long that they eventually end up everywhere on the Kinsey scale at some point or another).
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* ''Film/TheHobbit'': Thranduil is arguably the most androgynous-looking male Elf in the franchise, even more so than his son Legolas. While they both share long, platinum blond hair, bright blue eyes, dainty facial features and a slender build, Thranduil has [[https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShockingGentleBluetickcoonhound-size_restricted.gif long, thick eyelashes]] (which almost looks like he's wearing mascara) and a long neck, plus his ostentatious manner of dress (in contrast to his son's plainer style) give the Elvenking a more [[https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6136517/1008full-the-hobbit%3A-the-desolation-of-smaug-artwork.jpg feminine appearance.]]

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* ''Film/TheHobbit'': Thranduil is arguably the most androgynous-looking male Elf in the franchise, even more so than his son Legolas. While they both share long, platinum blond hair, bright blue eyes, dainty facial features and a slender build, Thranduil has [[https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShockingGentleBluetickcoonhound-size_restricted.gif long, thick eyelashes]] (which almost looks like he's wearing mascara) and a long neck, plus his ostentatious manner of dress (in contrast to his son's plainer style) give the Elvenking a more [[https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6136517/1008full-the-hobbit%3A-the-desolation-of-smaug-artwork.[[http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/38000000/king-thranduil-thranduil-38049848-1008-1536.jpg feminine appearance.]]
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* ''Film/TheHobbit'': Thranduil is arguably the most androgynous-looking male Elf in the franchise, even more so than his son Legolas. While they both share long, platinum blond hair, bright blue eyes, dainty facial features and a slender build, Thranduil has [[https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShockingGentleBluetickcoonhound-size_restricted.gif long, thick eyelashes]] (which almost looks like he's wearing mascara) and a long neck, plus his ostentatious manner of dress (in contrast to his son's more plain style) give the Elvenking a more [[https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6136517/1008full-the-hobbit%3A-the-desolation-of-smaug-artwork.jpg feminine appearance.]]

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* ''Film/TheHobbit'': Thranduil is arguably the most androgynous-looking male Elf in the franchise, even more so than his son Legolas. While they both share long, platinum blond hair, bright blue eyes, dainty facial features and a slender build, Thranduil has [[https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShockingGentleBluetickcoonhound-size_restricted.gif long, thick eyelashes]] (which almost looks like he's wearing mascara) and a long neck, plus his ostentatious manner of dress (in contrast to his son's more plain plainer style) give the Elvenking a more [[https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6136517/1008full-the-hobbit%3A-the-desolation-of-smaug-artwork.jpg feminine appearance.]]
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* ''Film/TheHobbit'': Thranduil is arguably the most androgynous-looking male Elf in the franchise, even more so than his son Legolas. While they both share long, platinum blond hair, bright blue eyes, dainty facial features and a slender build, Thranduil has [[https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShockingGentleBluetickcoonhound-size_restricted.gif long, thick eyelashes]] (which almost looks like he's wearing mascara) and a long neck, plus his ostentatious manner of dress (in contrast to his son's more plain style) give the Elvenking a more [[https://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6136517/1008full-the-hobbit%3A-the-desolation-of-smaug-artwork.jpg feminine appearance.]]
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Male [[OurElvesAreDifferent elves]] are often portrayed as feminine or [[DudeLooksLikeALady androgynous]], in range from PrettyBoy or {{Bishounen}} to AmbiguouslyGay. This is often used to [[UnsettlingGenderReveal cause dumbfounded confusion]] on reveal.

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Male [[OurElvesAreDifferent elves]] are often portrayed as feminine or [[DudeLooksLikeALady androgynous]], in range from PrettyBoy or {{Bishounen}} {{Bishonen}} to AmbiguouslyGay. This is often used to [[UnsettlingGenderReveal cause dumbfounded confusion]] on reveal.
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** The character creator in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' takes this UpToEleven. It is entirely possible to make a male elf with an ''extremely'' feminine face. Though due to the limited choice of two voice actors, the main difference of which is accents, your Elfeminate Male Inquisitor will still have a male-sounding voice.

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** The character creator in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' takes this UpToEleven.''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition''. It is entirely possible to make a male elf with an ''extremely'' feminine face. Though due to the limited choice of two voice actors, the main difference of which is accents, your Elfeminate Male Inquisitor will still have a male-sounding voice.
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* Feng Xi from ''Animation/TheLegendOfHei'', while Elfin is a general term for supernatural species in this universe, Feng Xi still qualifies for sporting PointedEars and [[RapunzelHair waist length hair]].

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* Feng Xi from ''Animation/TheLegendOfHei'', while Elfin is a general term for supernatural species in this universe, Feng Xi still qualifies for sporting PointedEars and [[RapunzelHair waist length hair]].hair.
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--> 1932. I will stop telling people the elf is [[IncrediblyLamePun openly]] [[TheFairFolk fey]].

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--> 1932. I will stop telling people the elf is [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} openly]] [[TheFairFolk fey]].

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