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* {{Hypocrite}}: Dolly is a lesbian who struggles accepting Ray as her straight trans boy grandson and asks why he couldn't be a lesbian rather than undergoing a gender transition.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: Dolly is a lesbian who struggles accepting Ray as her straight trans boy grandson and asks why he couldn't be a lesbian rather than undergoing a gender transition. She acts very much like a lot of straight people would toward a gay or lesbian relative, obliviously so. Ironically her daughter Maggie, Ray's mother, accepts him where Dolly doesn't.
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* HasTwoMommies: Dolly and her partner Frances are this for Maggie, Dolly's daughter, whom she considers to both be her moms. It's not clear what's become of Maggie's father, Dolly's husband before she came out, but they later raised her together.
* {{Hypocrite}}: Dolly is a lesbian who struggles accepting Ray as her straight trans boy grandson and asks why couldn't he be a lesbian instead of gender transitioning.
* {{Hypocrite}}: Dolly is a lesbian who struggles accepting Ray as her straight trans boy grandson and asks why couldn't he be a lesbian instead of gender transitioning.
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''3 Generations'' (also marketed as ''About Ray'') is a 2015 drama about a {{transgender}} transgender boy and his three female guardians: his mother, his grandmother, and his grandmother's partner.
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* AmbiguousGenderIdentity: The director ended up creating confusion during an interview. The film is about a {{transgender}} boy named Ray who has been living as male full-time for a while and wants to begin testosterone. After backlash for using a cisgender actress instead of a trans man actor, the director backpedaled and said the film was about a tomboy going beyond the norm. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender, as the idea of him being a lesbian girl is specifically rejected, he identifies as a boy repeatedly, Ray's desire is to medically transition etc.
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* AmbiguousGenderIdentity: The director ended up creating confusion during an interview. The film is about a {{transgender}} transgender boy named Ray who has been living as male full-time for a while and wants to begin testosterone. After backlash for using a cisgender actress instead of a trans man actor, the director backpedaled and said the film was about a tomboy going beyond the norm. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender, as the idea of him being a lesbian girl is specifically rejected, he identifies as a boy repeatedly, Ray's desire is to medically transition etc.
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* AmbiguousGenderIdentity: The director ended up creating confusion during an interview. The film is about a {{transgender}} boy named Ray who has been living as male full-time for a while and wants to begin testosterone. After backlash for using a cisgender actress instead of a trans man actor, the director backpedaled and said the film was about a tomboy going beyond the norm. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender, as the idea of him being a lesbian girl is specifically rejected, he identifies as a boy repeatedly, Ray's desire is to medically transition etc.
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* {{Transgender}}: The film was initially presented as a trans boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticized the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender, as the idea of him being a lesbian girl is specifically rejected, he identifies as a boy repeatedly, Ray's desire is to medically transition etc.
* TransTribulations: Ray has to deal not only with his grandmother Dolly initially rejected his identity, but also getting attacked for it by bigots (he more than held his own though).
* TransTribulations: Ray has to deal not only with his grandmother Dolly initially rejected his identity, but also getting attacked for it by bigots (he more than held his own though).
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* NotActuallyHisChild: [[spoiler:It turns out that the reason Craig left Ray and Maggie is because he'd realized he really wasn't Ray's father as a result of Maggie's cheating with his brother.]]
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* WhosYourDaddy: It turns out [[spoiler:Ray's]] birth father is not really [[spoiler:Craig]], but [[spoiler:Craig's brother Matthew]], as a result of [[spoiler:Maggie's]] cheating with him. Due to this, [[spoiler:Craig]] broke off contact with them. Worse yet, everyone ''but'' [[spoiler:Ray]] knew, and didn't tell him.
* YourCheatingHeart: It turns out that the reason Craig left Ray and Maggie [[spoiler: is because she had cheated on him with his brother Matthew. Not only that, but Craig realized he really wasn't Ray's father as a result.]]
* YourCheatingHeart: It turns out that the reason Craig left Ray and Maggie [[spoiler: is because she had cheated on him with his brother Matthew. Not only that, but Craig realized he really wasn't Ray's father as a result.]]
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* WhosYourDaddy: It turns out [[spoiler:Ray's]] birth father is not really [[spoiler:Craig]], but [[spoiler:Craig's brother Matthew]], as a result of [[spoiler:Maggie's]] cheating with him. Due to this, [[spoiler:Craig]] broke off contact with them. Worse yet, everyone ''but'' [[spoiler:Ray]] knew, and didn't tell him.
* YourCheatingHeart: It turns out that the reason Craig left Ray and Maggie [[spoiler: is because she had cheated on him with his brother Matthew. Not only that, but Craig realized he really wasn't Ray's father as a result.]]him.
* YourCheatingHeart: It turns out that the reason Craig left Ray and Maggie [[spoiler: is because she had cheated on him with his brother Matthew. Not only that, but Craig realized he really wasn't Ray's father as a result.]]
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* {{Transgender}}: The film was initially presented as a trans boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticised the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender, as the idea of him being a lesbian girl is specifically rejected, he identifies as a boy repeatedly, Ray's desire is to medically transition etc.
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* {{Transgender}}: The film was initially presented as a trans boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticised criticized the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender, as the idea of him being a lesbian girl is specifically rejected, he identifies as a boy repeatedly, Ray's desire is to medically transition etc.
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* {{Transgender}}: The film was initially presented as a trans boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticised the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender, as the idea of him being a lesbian girl is specifically rejected, he identifies as a boy repeatedly, Ray's desire is to start HRT etc.
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* {{Transgender}}: The film was initially presented as a trans boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticised the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender, as the idea of him being a lesbian girl is specifically rejected, he identifies as a boy repeatedly, Ray's desire is to start HRT medically transition etc.
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* {{Transgender}}: The film was initially presented as a trans boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticised the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender.
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* {{Transgender}}: The film was initially presented as a trans boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticised the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender.transgender, as the idea of him being a lesbian girl is specifically rejected, he identifies as a boy repeatedly, Ray's desire is to start HRT etc.
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* HiddenBuxom: Ray binds his chest with ace bandages, due to being transgender and disliking his breasts (he plans on having them removed later).
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* AmbiguousGenderIdentity: The director ended up creating confusion during an interview. The film is about a {{transgender}} boy named Ray who has been living as male full-time for a while and wants to begin testosterone. After backlash for using a cisgender actress instead of a trans man actor, the director backpedaled and said the film was about a tomboy going beyond the norm.
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* HiddenBuxom: Ray binds his chest with ace bandages, due to being transgender and disliking them (he plans on having them removed later).
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Ray, played by Creator/ElleFanning, is a 16 year old trans boy living with his mother Maggie, his grandmother Dolly, and Dolly's partner Frances. His family has troubling accepting Ray's want to begin Hormone Replacement Therapy. Difficulties arise because Ray's consent form needs the signature of both his parents, but Ray's father Craig is absent in his life.
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Ray, played by Creator/ElleFanning, is a 16 year old trans boy living with his mother Maggie, his grandmother Dolly, and Dolly's partner Frances. His family has troubling accepting Ray's want desire to begin Hormone Replacement Therapy. Difficulties arise because Ray's consent form needs the signature of both his parents, but Ray's father Craig is absent in his life.
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* LipstickLesbian: Dolly and her partner Frances are both middle-aged, effeminate women.
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* LipstickLesbian: Dolly and her partner Frances are both middle-aged, effeminate highly feminine women.
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* {{Hypocrite}}: Dolly is a lesbian who struggles accepting Ray as her straight trans boy grandson and asks why couldn't he be a lesbian instead of gender transitioning.
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* WhosYourDaddy: It turns out [[spoiler:Ray's]] birth father is not really [[spoiler:Craig]], but [[spoiler:Craig's brother Matthew]].
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* WhosYourDaddy: It turns out [[spoiler:Ray's]] birth father is not really [[spoiler:Craig]], but [[spoiler:Craig's brother Matthew]].Matthew]], as a result of [[spoiler:Maggie's]] cheating with him. Due to this, [[spoiler:Craig]] broke off contact with them. Worse yet, everyone ''but'' [[spoiler:Ray]] knew, and didn't tell him.
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* {{Transgender}}: The film was initially presented as a trans boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticised the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''.
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* {{Transgender}}: The film was initially presented as a trans boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticised the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''. There's no indication within the film itself of Ray being anything other than transgender.
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* WhosYourDaddy: It turns out [[spoiler:Ray's]] birth father is not really [[spoiler:Craig]], but [[spoiler:Craig's brother Matthew]].
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* EarnYourHappyEnding: [[spoiler:After lengthy family drama and struggle regarding Ray's identity, both his parents give him consent to start testosterone. His entire family also has accepted him by the end, with Ray also reconnecting with his father and father's family.]]
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* HiddenBuxom: Ray binds his chest with ace bandages.bandages, due to being transgender and disliking them (he plans on having them removed later).
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* SobriquetSexSwitch: Ray's deadname is the similar sounding "Ramona".
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* SobriquetSexSwitch: Ray's deadname is was the similar sounding "Ramona".
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* {{Transgender}}: Ray is a teenage trans boy.
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* {{Transgender}}: Ray is The film was initially presented as a teenage trans boy.boy's ComingOfAgeStory, but after the transgender community criticised the movie for having a cis woman play a trans boy and having no trans people at all in the production, [[http://www.refinery29.com/2015/08/92441/about-ray-elle-fanning-poster the director backpedaled]] and defended her decision by saying the movie is ''actually'' about "a girl who is presenting in a very ineffectual way as a boy [...] to actually use a trans boy was not an option because this isn’t what my story is about", which is all sorts of unfortunate implications and ended up further angering trans people. Early in its production history it was also known as ''About Ray''.
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* UnpleasantParentReveal: [[spoiler: Ray is quite upset to learn that "Uncle Matthew" is his birth father. Not only that, but his family had all kept this from him.]]
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* ComingOutStory: Ray is already out but he's just starting to medically transition.
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* ComingOutStory: Ray is already out but he's just starting to medically transition. The plot revolves around him trying to begin hormones and his family adjusting to the transition.
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* TransTribulations: Ray has to deal not only with his grandmother Dolly not getting and accepting his gender, but also getting attacked for it by bigots (he more than held his own though).
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* TransTribulations: Ray has to deal not only with his grandmother Dolly not getting and accepting initially rejected his gender, identity, but also getting attacked for it by bigots (he more than held his own though).
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* DisappearedDad: Ray has an absent father named "Craig". He left a decade ago, and has not paid child support for a long time. This becomes an issue because they legally need his consent to start Ray on testosterone in his medical transition. He sets out to meet his father, not only for this but to reconnect and make him understand.
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* DisappearedDad: Ray has an absent father named "Craig". He left a decade ago, and has not paid child support for a long time. This becomes an issue because they legally need his consent to start Ray on testosterone in his medical transition. He sets out to meet his father, not only for this but to reconnect and make him understand. [[spoiler: It turns out he isn't really Ray's birth father. His brother is, due to Maggie cheating with him. Realizing that, he cut off nearly all contact with them for a decade.]] It's also mentioned that Dolly and Maggie both lacked a relationship with their fathers.
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* WantedAGenderConformingChild: The plot revolves around Ray's female relatives having difficulty accepting his transition. His grandmother Dolly takes it especially hard.
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* WantedAGenderConformingChild: The plot revolves around Ray's female relatives having difficulty accepting his transition. His grandmother Dolly takes it especially hard.
* YourCheatingHeart: It turns out that the reason Craig left Ray and Maggie [[spoiler: is because she had cheated on him with his brother Matthew. Not only that, but Craig realized he really wasn't Ray's father as a result.]]
* YourCheatingHeart: It turns out that the reason Craig left Ray and Maggie [[spoiler: is because she had cheated on him with his brother Matthew. Not only that, but Craig realized he really wasn't Ray's father as a result.]]
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* HasTwoMommies: Dolly and her partner Frances are this for Maggie, Dolly's daughter, whom she considers to both be her moms. It's not clear what's become of Maggie's father, Dolly's husband before she came out, but they later raised her together.
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* LipstickLesbian: Dolly and her partner Frances are both middle-aged, effeminate women.
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* DisappearedDad: Ray has an absent father named "Craig". He left a decade ago.ago, and has not paid child support for a long time. This becomes an issue because they legally need his consent to start Ray on testosterone in his medical transition. He sets out to meet his father, not only for this but to reconnect and make him understand.
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* TransEqualsGay: Ray is a straight trans boy, so his grandmother Dolly wonders aloud why he can't be a lesbian like her, much to her daughter Maggie's annoyance.
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* TransTribulations: Ray has to deal not only with his grandmother Dolly not getting and accepting his gender, but also getting attacked for it by bigots (he more than held his own though).
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* HiddenBuxom: Ray binds his chest with ace bandages.
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''3 Generations'' (also marketed as ''About Ray'') is a 2015 drama about a {{transgender}} boy and his three female guardians: his mother, his grandmother, and his grandmother's girlfriend.
Ray, played by Creator/ElleFanning, is a 16 year old trans boy living with his mother Maggie, his grandmother Dolly, and Dolly's partner Frances. His family has troubling accepting Ray's want to begin Hormone Replacement Therapy. Difficulties arise because Ray's consent form needs the signature of both his parents, but Ray's father Craig is absent in his life.
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!!This film provides examples of:
* ComingOfAgeStory: ''3 Generations'' is about the life of a teenage trans boy as he tries to transition and find out about his DisappearedDad.
* ComingOutStory: Ray is already out but he's just starting to medically transition.
* DisappearedDad: Ray has an absent father named "Craig". He left a decade ago.
* : Ray's deadname is the similar sounding "Ramona".
* {{Transgender}}: Ray is a teenage trans boy.
* WantedAGenderConformingChild: The plot revolves around Ray's female relatives having difficulty accepting his transition. His grandmother Dolly takes it especially hard.
Ray, played by Creator/ElleFanning, is a 16 year old trans boy living with his mother Maggie, his grandmother Dolly, and Dolly's partner Frances. His family has troubling accepting Ray's want to begin Hormone Replacement Therapy. Difficulties arise because Ray's consent form needs the signature of both his parents, but Ray's father Craig is absent in his life.
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!!This film provides examples of:
* ComingOfAgeStory: ''3 Generations'' is about the life of a teenage trans boy as he tries to transition and find out about his DisappearedDad.
* ComingOutStory: Ray is already out but he's just starting to medically transition.
* DisappearedDad: Ray has an absent father named "Craig". He left a decade ago.
* : Ray's deadname is the similar sounding "Ramona".
* {{Transgender}}: Ray is a teenage trans boy.
* WantedAGenderConformingChild: The plot revolves around Ray's female relatives having difficulty accepting his transition. His grandmother Dolly takes it especially hard.