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* ''VideoGame/SonicFreeRiders'' is often disowned by fans due to being [[{{Sequelitis}} a poor follow-up to the original two]] with [[{{Waggle}} forced Kinect controls]], along with its wildly disliked characterization and odd story choices (Amy and Team Dark TookALevelInJerkass, Vector is on Team Rose for the first and only time). It's even missing from the official "Encyclo-Speed-ia" because Creator/IanFlynn ''forgot about it''.
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* The [[DuelingPlayerCharacters team boss battles]] in ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' are often ignored from a plot standpoint, as they [[FridgeLogic raise a lot of questions]] if they're taken as really happening. Such as Team Sonic being [[DisproportionateRetribution willing to throw the 6-year-old Cream off a skyscraper just because]] Amy is being a StalkerWithACrush, Amy thinking doing the same to Sonic will make him want to marry her, Team Sonic barely reacting to Shadow still being alive and immediately fighting him, and Teams Chaotix and Rose getting into a fight even they admit makes very little sense.
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* This doesn't apply too much to the UsefulNotes/SegaSaturn version of ''VideoGame/SonicJam'', which is overall thought to be an excellent compilation with great bonus content, but it does apply to the UsefulNotes/GameCom port, which is considered worse than Sonic's previous handheld outing, ''VideoGame/SonicBlast'' for the UsefulNotes/GameGear. Due to the [=Game.com's=] technical limitations, [[PortingDisaster the game suffers from blurry, monochrome graphics and laggy gameplay, and is missing many levels from the Genesis originals]]. While Sega had only licensed the game to Tiger and was not involved with the game's development, many ''Sonic'' fans pretend that Sonic's next handheld outing, ''VideoGame/SonicPocketAdventure'', which has much better graphics and gameplay, is Sonic's real first video game made for a non-Sega handheld console.
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* Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), or whatever other reason you can think of.
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* Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), ''VideoGame/SonicRushAdventure''), or whatever other reason you can think of.
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being filled with Sonic's friends by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''.''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles'' (with the possible exception of 2017's ''VideoGame/SonicMania'', which uses the same gameplay engine). Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being filled with Sonic's friends by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
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* Likewise, the creators behind ''WesternAnimation/SonicPrime'' consider the show to be part of the games' continuity. Sonic's characterization in the show, while acceptable in a new continuity, is considered to be at odds with certain portrayals he had in the games, so many fans ignore this statement, since they just can't see the show's Sonic as being one and the same with the games' Sonic.
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* Likewise, the creators behind ''WesternAnimation/SonicPrime'' consider the show to be part of the games' continuity. Sonic's characterization in the show, while acceptable in a new continuity, is considered to be at odds with certain portrayals he had in the games, so many fans ignore this statement, since they just can't see the show's Sonic as being one and the same with the games' Sonic. This also causes some other differences in continuity to make no sense, such as certain flashbacks contradicting what was shown in the games.
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* Likewise, the creators behind ''WesternAnimation/SonicPrime'' consider the show to be part of the games' continuity. Sonic's characterization in the show, while acceptable in a new continuity, is considered to be at odds with certain portrayals he had in the games, so many fans ignore this statement, since they just can't see the show's Sonic as being one and the same with the games' Sonic.
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* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth... if going purely by the original Japanese canon. Western media in the 90's (such as comics, cartoons and a few instruction manuals) described Sonic's planet as being called "Mobius", with "Mobians" being the collective name given for its FunnyAnimal residents. Even though this was dropped from ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' onwards when the Japanese canon was established as the international one, enough Western fans have grown up with this idea that they still use the terms "Mobian" or "Mobius". Even some of the fans that ''don't'' have nostalgia for the older Western localizations have been known to use "Mobian" as a shorthand for "FunnyAnimal character with a ''Sonic''-styled design and proportions", fan artists in particular for the sake of easier communication. "Mobius" itself may be used by those who believe that certain elements or settings of the series are too surreal to convincingly take place on a version of Earth, but this is to a much lesser extent given the existence of other fantastical {{Fictional Earth}}s seen in media. As of the 2020s, however, the terms of "Mobius" and "Mobian" have been slowly falling out of use overall.
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* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth... if going purely by the original Japanese canon. Western media in the 90's 90s (such as comics, cartoons and a few instruction manuals) described Sonic's planet as being called "Mobius", with "Mobians" being the collective name given for its FunnyAnimal residents. Even though this was dropped from ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' onwards when the Japanese canon was established as the international one, enough Western fans have grown up with this idea that they still use the terms "Mobian" or "Mobius". Even some of the fans that ''don't'' have nostalgia for the older Western localizations have been known to use "Mobian" as a shorthand for "FunnyAnimal character with a ''Sonic''-styled design and proportions", fan artists in particular for the sake of easier communication. "Mobius" itself may be used by those who believe that certain elements or settings of the series are too surreal to convincingly take place on a version of Earth, but this is to a much lesser extent given the existence of other fantastical {{Fictional Earth}}s seen in media. As of the 2020s, however, the terms of "Mobius" and "Mobian" have been slowly falling out of use overall.
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* The [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW IDW comics]] were initially stated to be an AlternateContinuity, but WordOfGod later declared that they were canon after all. Naturally, many fans who don't like the comics ignore this due to feeling that certain aspects don't gel well with the game continuity.
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* This trope doesn't apply too much to the UsefulNotes/SegaSaturn version of ''VideoGame/SonicJam'', which is overall thought to be an excellent compilation with great bonus content, but it does apply to the UsefulNotes/GameCom port, which is considered worse than Sonic's previous handheld outing, ''VideoGame/SonicBlast'' for the UsefulNotes/GameGear. Due to the [=Game.com's=] technical limitations, [[PortingDisaster the game suffers from blurry, monochrome graphics and laggy gameplay, and is missing many levels from the Genesis originals]]. While Sega had only licensed the game to Tiger and was not involved with the game's development, many ''Sonic'' fans pretend that Sonic's next handheld outing, ''VideoGame/SonicPocketAdventure'', which has much better graphics and gameplay, is Sonic's real first video game made for a non-Sega handheld console.
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* This trope doesn't apply too much to the UsefulNotes/SegaSaturn version of ''VideoGame/SonicJam'', which is overall thought to be an excellent compilation with great bonus content, but it does apply to the UsefulNotes/GameCom port, which is considered worse than Sonic's previous handheld outing, ''VideoGame/SonicBlast'' for the UsefulNotes/GameGear. Due to the [=Game.com's=] technical limitations, [[PortingDisaster the game suffers from blurry, monochrome graphics and laggy gameplay, and is missing many levels from the Genesis originals]]. While Sega had only licensed the game to Tiger and was not involved with the game's development, many ''Sonic'' fans pretend that Sonic's next handheld outing, ''VideoGame/SonicPocketAdventure'', which has much better graphics and gameplay, is Sonic's real first video game made for a non-Sega handheld console.
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* The idea that humans and {{Funny Animal}}s live on separate worlds, with Sonic and co. apparently planet-hopping on a frequent basis, has been met with heavy resistance for the simple fact that it was never so much as hinted at beyond a lack of FunnyAnimal [=NPCs=], and wreaks utter havoc on all previous world-building (particularly concerning the ''Adventure'' era).
** Not so fanon now that they've confirmed the world as [[https://youtu.be/Nmzc8L8zTBk just one planet and not two.]]
** Not so fanon now that they've confirmed the world as [[https://youtu.be/Nmzc8L8zTBk just one planet and not two.]]
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* There are a few fans who ignore the connection between ''VideoGame/SonicMania'' and ''VideoGame/SonicForces''. They pretend that Encore Mode in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Mania Plus]]'' is the follow-up to ''Mania''[='s=] original story and ignore ''Forces'' (even though the actual chain of events is suggested to be [[spoiler:the Phantom Ruby displacing Classic Sonic into the events of ''Forces'', followed by Encore Mode happening after Classic Sonic returns to his own time. Despite the official manual for Mania Plus stating this, said fans prefer to turn a blind eye to it]]).
* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth… if going purely by the original Japanese canon. Western media in the 90's (such as comics, cartoons and a few instruction manuals) described Sonic's planet as being called "Mobius", with "Mobians" being the collective name given for its FunnyAnimal residents. Even though this was dropped from ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' onwards when the Japanese canon was established as the international one, enough Western fans have grown up with this idea that they still use the terms "Mobian" or "Mobius". Even some of the fans that ''don't'' have nostalgia for the older Western localizations have been known to use "Mobian" as a shorthand for "FunnyAnimal character with a ''Sonic''-styled design and proportions", fan artists in particular for the sake of easier communication. "Mobius" itself may be used by those who believe that certain elements or settings of the series are too surreal to convincingly take place on a version of Earth, but this is to a much lesser extent given the existence of other fantastical {{Fictional Earth}}s seen in media. As of the 2020s, however, the terms of "Mobius" and "Mobian" have been slowly falling out of use overall.
* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth… if going purely by the original Japanese canon. Western media in the 90's (such as comics, cartoons and a few instruction manuals) described Sonic's planet as being called "Mobius", with "Mobians" being the collective name given for its FunnyAnimal residents. Even though this was dropped from ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' onwards when the Japanese canon was established as the international one, enough Western fans have grown up with this idea that they still use the terms "Mobian" or "Mobius". Even some of the fans that ''don't'' have nostalgia for the older Western localizations have been known to use "Mobian" as a shorthand for "FunnyAnimal character with a ''Sonic''-styled design and proportions", fan artists in particular for the sake of easier communication. "Mobius" itself may be used by those who believe that certain elements or settings of the series are too surreal to convincingly take place on a version of Earth, but this is to a much lesser extent given the existence of other fantastical {{Fictional Earth}}s seen in media. As of the 2020s, however, the terms of "Mobius" and "Mobian" have been slowly falling out of use overall.
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* There are a few fans who ignore the connection between ''VideoGame/SonicMania'' and ''VideoGame/SonicForces''. They pretend that Encore Mode in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Mania Plus]]'' is the follow-up to ''Mania''[='s=] original story and ignore ''Forces'' (even though the actual chain of events is suggested to be [[spoiler:the Phantom Ruby displacing Classic Sonic into the events of ''Forces'', followed by Encore Mode happening after Classic Sonic returns to his own time. Despite the official manual for Mania Plus ''Mania Plus'' stating this, said fans prefer to turn a blind eye to it]]).
* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternateEarth… Earth... if going purely by the original Japanese canon. Western media in the 90's (such as comics, cartoons and a few instruction manuals) described Sonic's planet as being called "Mobius", with "Mobians" being the collective name given for its FunnyAnimal residents. Even though this was dropped from ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' onwards when the Japanese canon was established as the international one, enough Western fans have grown up with this idea that they still use the terms "Mobian" or "Mobius". Even some of the fans that ''don't'' have nostalgia for the older Western localizations have been known to use "Mobian" as a shorthand for "FunnyAnimal character with a ''Sonic''-styled design and proportions", fan artists in particular for the sake of easier communication. "Mobius" itself may be used by those who believe that certain elements or settings of the series are too surreal to convincingly take place on a version of Earth, but this is to a much lesser extent given the existence of other fantastical {{Fictional Earth}}s seen in media. As of the 2020s, however, the terms of "Mobius" and "Mobian" have been slowly falling out of use overall.
* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate
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* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth… if going purely by the original Japanese canon. Western media in the 90's (such as comics, cartoons and a few instruction manuals) described Sonic's planet as being called "Mobius", with "Mobians" being the collective name given for its FunnyAnimal residents. Even though this was dropped from ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' onwards when the Japanese canon was established as the international one, enough Western fans have grown up with this idea that they still use the terms "Mobian" or "Mobius". Even some of the fans that ''don't'' have nostalgia for the older Western localizations have been known to use "Mobian" as a shorthand for "FunnyAnimal character with a ''Sonic''-styled design and proportions", fan artists in particular for the sake of easier communication. "Mobius" itself may be used by those who believe that certain elements or settings of the series are too surreal to convincingly take place on a version of Earth, but this is to a much lesser extent given the existence of other fantastical {{Fictional Earth}}s seen in media.
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* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth… if going purely by the original Japanese canon. Western media in the 90's (such as comics, cartoons and a few instruction manuals) described Sonic's planet as being called "Mobius", with "Mobians" being the collective name given for its FunnyAnimal residents. Even though this was dropped from ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' onwards when the Japanese canon was established as the international one, enough Western fans have grown up with this idea that they still use the terms "Mobian" or "Mobius". Even some of the fans that ''don't'' have nostalgia for the older Western localizations have been known to use "Mobian" as a shorthand for "FunnyAnimal character with a ''Sonic''-styled design and proportions", fan artists in particular for the sake of easier communication. "Mobius" itself may be used by those who believe that certain elements or settings of the series are too surreal to convincingly take place on a version of Earth, but this is to a much lesser extent given the existence of other fantastical {{Fictional Earth}}s seen in media. As of the 2020s, however, the terms of "Mobius" and "Mobian" have been slowly falling out of use overall.
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* This trope doesn't apply too much to the UsefulNotes/SegaSaturn version of ''VideoGame/SonicJam'', which is overall thought to be an excellent compilation with great bonus content, but it does apply to the UsefulNotes/GameCom port, which is considered worse than Sonic's previous handheld outing, ''VideoGame/SonicBlast'' for the UsefulNotes/GameGear. Due to the [=Game.com's=] technical limitations, [[PortingDisaster the game suffers from blurry, monochrome graphics and laggy gameplay, and is missing many levels from the Genesis originals]]. While Sega had only licensed the game to Tiger and was not involved with the game's development, many ''Sonic'' fans pretend that Sonic's next handheld outing, ''VideoGame/SonicPocketAdventure'', which has much better graphics and gameplay, is Sonic's real first video game made for a non-Sega handheld console.
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* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth... if you were a Japanese fan. In the 90s, Westerners had localized backstories that among other things placed the series on Planet Mobius and called the FunnyAnimals Mobians. This was reinforced by older English instruction manuals, cartoons, and comics. Enough Western fans grew up with this idea that even after newer localizations started referring to Earth and SEGA specifically forbid the rebooted comics from referring to Mobius/Mobians, plenty of fans still use the terms. It's mostly nostalgia, with some using the term Mobian as less of a mouthful than "FunnyAnimal character in the ''Sonic'' style," and some considering the idea that a series as surreal as ''Sonic'' can be taking place on a version of Earth to be a hard pill to swallow.
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* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth... Earth… if you were a going purely by the original Japanese fan. In canon. Western media in the 90s, Westerners had localized backstories that among other things placed the series on Planet Mobius 90's (such as comics, cartoons and called the FunnyAnimals Mobians. This was reinforced by older English a few instruction manuals, cartoons, and comics. Enough manuals) described Sonic's planet as being called "Mobius", with "Mobians" being the collective name given for its FunnyAnimal residents. Even though this was dropped from ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'' onwards when the Japanese canon was established as the international one, enough Western fans grew have grown up with this idea that even after newer they still use the terms "Mobian" or "Mobius". Even some of the fans that ''don't'' have nostalgia for the older Western localizations started referring have been known to Earth and SEGA specifically forbid the rebooted comics from referring to Mobius/Mobians, plenty of fans still use the terms. It's mostly nostalgia, with some using the term Mobian "Mobian" as less of a mouthful than shorthand for "FunnyAnimal character with a ''Sonic''-styled design and proportions", fan artists in particular for the ''Sonic'' style," and some considering the idea sake of easier communication. "Mobius" itself may be used by those who believe that a certain elements or settings of the series as are too surreal as ''Sonic'' can be taking to convincingly take place on a version of Earth Earth, but this is to be a hard pill to swallow.much lesser extent given the existence of other fantastical {{Fictional Earth}}s seen in media.
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* A number of fans prefer to view the Game Gear/Master System titles as taking place in an AlternateContinuity as opposed to being canon with the mainline titles. This is largely due to the 8-bit titles having a couple of inconsistencies with the rest of the mainline titles. Most notably them retaining the EarlyInstallmentWeirdness of there being six Chaos Emeralds, as opposed to seven as established in the console games beginning with ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2''.
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* There are a few fans who ignore the connection between ''VideoGame/SonicMania'' and ''VideoGame/SonicForces''. They pretend that Encore Mode in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Mania Plus]]'' is the follow-up to ''Mania''[='s=] original story and ignore ''Forces'' (even though the actual chain of events is suggested to be [[spoiler:the Phantom Ruby displacing Classic Sonic into the events of ''Forces'', followed by Encore Mode happening after Classic Sonic returns to his own time]]).
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* There are a few fans who ignore the connection between ''VideoGame/SonicMania'' and ''VideoGame/SonicForces''. They pretend that Encore Mode in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Mania Plus]]'' is the follow-up to ''Mania''[='s=] original story and ignore ''Forces'' (even though the actual chain of events is suggested to be [[spoiler:the Phantom Ruby displacing Classic Sonic into the events of ''Forces'', followed by Encore Mode happening after Classic Sonic returns to his own time]]).time. Despite the official manual for Mania Plus stating this, said fans prefer to turn a blind eye to it]]).
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] friends by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
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** Not so fanon now that they've confirmed the world as [[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmzc8L8zTBk just one planet and not two.]]
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** Not so fanon now that they've confirmed the world as [[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmzc8L8zTBk [[https://youtu.be/Nmzc8L8zTBk just one planet and not two.]]
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* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth... if you were a Japanese fan. In the 90s, Westerners had localized backstories that among other things placed the series on Planet Mobius and called the FunnyAnimals Mobians. This was reinforced by older English instruction manuals, cartoons, and comics. Enough Western fans grew up with this idea that even after newer localizations started referring to Earth and SEGA specifically forbid the rebooted comics from referring to Mobius/Mobians, plenty of fans still use the terms. It's mostly nostalgia, with some using the term Mobian as less of a mouthful than "FunnyAnimal character in the ''Sonic'' style," and some considering the idea that a series as surreal as ''Sonic'' can be taking place on a version of Earth to be a hard pill to swallow.
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* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth... if you were a Japanese fan. In the 90s, Westerners had localized backstories that among other things placed the series on Planet Mobius and called the FunnyAnimals Mobians. This was reinforced by older English instruction manuals, cartoons, and comics. Enough Western fans grew up with this idea that even after newer localizations started referring to Earth and SEGA specifically forbid the rebooted comics from referring to Mobius/Mobians, plenty of fans still use the terms. It's mostly nostalgia, with some using the term Mobian as less of a mouthful than "FunnyAnimal character in the ''Sonic'' style," and some considering the idea that a series as surreal as ''Sonic'' can be taking place on a version of Earth to be a hard pill to swallow.swallow.
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* The idea that humans and {{Funny Animal}}s live on separate worlds, with Sonic and co. apparently planet-hopping on a frequent basis, has been met with heavy resistance for the simple fact that it was never so much as hinted at beyond a lack of FunnyAnimal [=NPCs=], and wrecks utter havoc on all previous world-building (particularly concerning the ''Adventure'' era).
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* The idea that humans and {{Funny Animal}}s live on separate worlds, with Sonic and co. apparently planet-hopping on a frequent basis, has been met with heavy resistance for the simple fact that it was never so much as hinted at beyond a lack of FunnyAnimal [=NPCs=], and wrecks wreaks utter havoc on all previous world-building (particularly concerning the ''Adventure'' era).
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), or whatever other reason you can think of. The "Shadow with amnesia" plot point is also dismissed by a part of the fanbase because [[ArcFatigue it takes two games to be resolved]] and has some contradictions. Games disowned even more often include various spinoffs such as ''VideoGame/SonicShuffle'', ''VideoGame/Sonic3DBlast'', ''VideoGame/SonicsSchoolhouse'', ''VideoGame/SonicR'', and ''VideoGame/SonicLabyrinth''; as well as the [=PS3/X360=] release ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' (which [[spoiler:''[[ResetButton retcons itself]]'']]). Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
* Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), or whatever other reason you can thinkof. of.
* The "Shadow with amnesia" plot point isalso dismissed by a part of the fanbase because [[ArcFatigue it takes two games to be resolved]] and has some contradictions. contradictions.
* Games disowned even more often include various spinoffs such as ''VideoGame/SonicShuffle'', ''VideoGame/Sonic3DBlast'', ''VideoGame/SonicsSchoolhouse'', ''VideoGame/SonicR'', and ''VideoGame/SonicLabyrinth''; as well as the [=PS3/X360=] release ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' (which [[spoiler:''[[ResetButton retcons itself]]'']]).Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
* Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), or whatever other reason you can think
* The "Shadow with amnesia" plot point is
* Games disowned even more often include various spinoffs such as ''VideoGame/SonicShuffle'', ''VideoGame/Sonic3DBlast'', ''VideoGame/SonicsSchoolhouse'', ''VideoGame/SonicR'', and ''VideoGame/SonicLabyrinth''; as well as the [=PS3/X360=] release ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' (which [[spoiler:''[[ResetButton retcons itself]]'']]).
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It takes two games. Two. Just two. Why did the original tropers suggest (alongside the complainy edits of 06) that it took years when in reality took around two years between Heroes and Shadow? Jeez.
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), or whatever other reason you can think of. The "Shadow with amnesia" plot point is also dismissed by a part of the fanbase because [[ArcFatigue it takes several games to be resolved]] and has some contradictions. Games disowned even more often include various spinoffs such as ''VideoGame/SonicShuffle'', ''VideoGame/Sonic3DBlast'', ''VideoGame/SonicsSchoolhouse'', ''VideoGame/SonicR'', and ''VideoGame/SonicLabyrinth''; as well as the [=PS3/X360=] release ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' (which [[spoiler:''[[ResetButton retcons itself]]'']]). Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), or whatever other reason you can think of. The "Shadow with amnesia" plot point is also dismissed by a part of the fanbase because [[ArcFatigue it takes several two games to be resolved]] and has some contradictions. Games disowned even more often include various spinoffs such as ''VideoGame/SonicShuffle'', ''VideoGame/Sonic3DBlast'', ''VideoGame/SonicsSchoolhouse'', ''VideoGame/SonicR'', and ''VideoGame/SonicLabyrinth''; as well as the [=PS3/X360=] release ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' (which [[spoiler:''[[ResetButton retcons itself]]'']]). Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), or whatever other reason you can think of. The "Shadow with amnesia" plot point is also dismissed by a part of the fanbase because [[ArcFatigue it takes several games to be resolved]] and has some contradictions. Games disowned even more often include various spinoffs such as ''VideoGame/SonicShuffle'', ''VideoGame/Sonic3DBlast'', ''VideoGame/SonicsSchoolhouse'', ''VideoGame/SonicR'', and ''VideoGame/SonicLabyrinth''; as well as the [=PS3/X360=] release ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' (which [[spoiler:''[[ResetButton retcons itself]]'']]).
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), or whatever other reason you can think of. The "Shadow with amnesia" plot point is also dismissed by a part of the fanbase because [[ArcFatigue it takes several games to be resolved]] and has some contradictions. Games disowned even more often include various spinoffs such as ''VideoGame/SonicShuffle'', ''VideoGame/Sonic3DBlast'', ''VideoGame/SonicsSchoolhouse'', ''VideoGame/SonicR'', and ''VideoGame/SonicLabyrinth''; as well as the [=PS3/X360=] release ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' (which [[spoiler:''[[ResetButton retcons itself]]'']]). Hell, there are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
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* There are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
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They're just a spin-off, not part of the main continuity.
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* While the games were very well-received, (being some of the best-selling games featuring Sonic, only behind entries in the ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'') series) it's difficult to tell whether or not the ''VideoGame/MarioAndSonicAtTheOlympicGames'' series is canon simply because of how differently the worlds of both series work -- they're just hard to put together story-wise coherently.
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* While the games were very well-received well-received, (being some of the second best-selling game with Sonic in it games featuring Sonic, only behind entries in the ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'') series, series) it's difficult to tell whether or not the ''VideoGame/MarioAndSonicAtTheOlympicGames'' series is canon simply because of how differently the worlds of both series work -- they're just hard to put together story-wise coherently.
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* While the games were very well-received (being the second best-selling game with Sonic in it behind only ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosBrawl''), it's difficult to tell whether or not the ''VideoGame/MarioAndSonicAtTheOlympicGames'' series is canon simply because of how differently the worlds of both series work -- they're just hard to put together story-wise coherently.
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* While the games were very well-received (being the second best-selling game with Sonic in it behind only ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosBrawl''), the ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'') series, it's difficult to tell whether or not the ''VideoGame/MarioAndSonicAtTheOlympicGames'' series is canon simply because of how differently the worlds of both series work -- they're just hard to put together story-wise coherently.
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* The most extreme fans of the original Genesis Sonic games disown anything made after ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles''. Others draw the line after ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure'', ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', or ''VideoGame/SonicHeroes'' depending on personal taste, be it because of the subsequent games' quality, the gradual shift of gameplay to the speedier and more reflex-oriented "Boost" formula, because of [[CerebusRollercoaster shifts in tone]] (too dark like ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'' or ''Sonic '06'' or too lighthearted like ''[[VideoGame/SonicColors Colors]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Rush Adventure]]''), or whatever other reason you can think of. The "Shadow with amnesia" plot point is also dismissed by a part of the fanbase because [[ArcFatigue it takes several games to be resolved]] and has some contradictions. Games disowned even more often include various spinoffs such as ''VideoGame/SonicShuffle'', ''VideoGame/Sonic3DBlast'', ''VideoGame/SonicsSchoolhouse'', ''VideoGame/SonicR'', and ''VideoGame/SonicLabyrinth''; as well as the [=PS3/X360=] release ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006'' (which [[spoiler:''[[ResetButton retcons itself]]'']]).
* In particular, a large portion of the fans who draw the line at ''Sonic Adventure 2'' are waiting for a game called ''Sonic Adventure 3'' to happen. This is regardless of any other games with "Sonic" and "Adventure" in the title, such as ''Sonic Rush Adventure'' or ''VideoGame/SonicUnleashed'', whose Japanese name is ''Sonic World Adventure''; or how close the gameplay is to the ''Sonic Adventure'' games, such as ''Sonic Heroes'' and ''Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)'', both of which borrow heavily from those games. They will dismiss any Sonic game made between ''Sonic Adventure 2'' and the point whenever their theoretical ''Sonic Adventure 3'' will be released.
* There are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
* While the games were very well-received (being the second best-selling game with Sonic in it behind only ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosBrawl''), it's difficult to tell whether or not the ''VideoGame/MarioAndSonicAtTheOlympicGames'' series is canon simply because of how differently the worlds of both series work -- they're just hard to put together story-wise coherently.
* ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog4'' had Sega state that Sonic and Knuckles' stories in ''[[VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles Sonic the Hedgehog 3]]'' take place at the exact same time. Nearly every Sonic fan laughed at the statement, citing [[http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_3_%26_Knuckles_chronology_and_endings just how impossible it would be]] for events simultaneously involving both characters to happen at once. It doesn't help that ''Sonic the Hedgehog 4'' itself is discontinued by longtime fans as well, especially with the general consensus that ''VideoGame/SonicMania'' turned out to be the ''Sonic 4'' fans had truly hoped for.
* The idea that humans and {{Funny Animal}}s live on separate worlds, with Sonic and co. apparently planet-hopping on a frequent basis, has been met with heavy resistance for the simple fact that it was never so much as hinted at beyond a lack of FunnyAnimal [=NPCs=], and wrecks utter havoc on all previous world-building (particularly concerning the ''Adventure'' era).
* There are a few fans who ignore the connection between ''VideoGame/SonicMania'' and ''VideoGame/SonicForces''. They pretend that Encore Mode in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Mania Plus]]'' is the follow-up to ''Mania''[='s=] original story and ignore ''Forces'' (even though the actual chain of events is suggested to be [[spoiler:the Phantom Ruby displacing Classic Sonic into the events of ''Forces'', followed by Encore Mode happening after Classic Sonic returns to his own time]]).
* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth... if you were a Japanese fan. In the 90s, Westerners had localized backstories that among other things placed the series on Planet Mobius and called the FunnyAnimals Mobians. This was reinforced by older English instruction manuals, cartoons, and comics. Enough Western fans grew up with this idea that even after newer localizations started referring to Earth and SEGA specifically forbid the rebooted comics from referring to Mobius/Mobians, plenty of fans still use the terms. It's mostly nostalgia, with some using the term Mobian as less of a mouthful than "FunnyAnimal character in the ''Sonic'' style," and some considering the idea that a series as surreal as ''Sonic'' can be taking place on a version of Earth to be a hard pill to swallow.
* In particular, a large portion of the fans who draw the line at ''Sonic Adventure 2'' are waiting for a game called ''Sonic Adventure 3'' to happen. This is regardless of any other games with "Sonic" and "Adventure" in the title, such as ''Sonic Rush Adventure'' or ''VideoGame/SonicUnleashed'', whose Japanese name is ''Sonic World Adventure''; or how close the gameplay is to the ''Sonic Adventure'' games, such as ''Sonic Heroes'' and ''Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)'', both of which borrow heavily from those games. They will dismiss any Sonic game made between ''Sonic Adventure 2'' and the point whenever their theoretical ''Sonic Adventure 3'' will be released.
* There are a select few elitist classic fans who outright dismiss ''anything after [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog1 the very first game]]'', because to them [[VideoGame/SonictheHedgehog2 its sequel]] (somehow) started the trend of Sonic games being [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters filled with Sonic's friends]] by merely introducing [[KidSidekick Tails]].
* While the games were very well-received (being the second best-selling game with Sonic in it behind only ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosBrawl''), it's difficult to tell whether or not the ''VideoGame/MarioAndSonicAtTheOlympicGames'' series is canon simply because of how differently the worlds of both series work -- they're just hard to put together story-wise coherently.
* ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog4'' had Sega state that Sonic and Knuckles' stories in ''[[VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles Sonic the Hedgehog 3]]'' take place at the exact same time. Nearly every Sonic fan laughed at the statement, citing [[http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_3_%26_Knuckles_chronology_and_endings just how impossible it would be]] for events simultaneously involving both characters to happen at once. It doesn't help that ''Sonic the Hedgehog 4'' itself is discontinued by longtime fans as well, especially with the general consensus that ''VideoGame/SonicMania'' turned out to be the ''Sonic 4'' fans had truly hoped for.
* The idea that humans and {{Funny Animal}}s live on separate worlds, with Sonic and co. apparently planet-hopping on a frequent basis, has been met with heavy resistance for the simple fact that it was never so much as hinted at beyond a lack of FunnyAnimal [=NPCs=], and wrecks utter havoc on all previous world-building (particularly concerning the ''Adventure'' era).
* There are a few fans who ignore the connection between ''VideoGame/SonicMania'' and ''VideoGame/SonicForces''. They pretend that Encore Mode in ''[[UpdatedRerelease Mania Plus]]'' is the follow-up to ''Mania''[='s=] original story and ignore ''Forces'' (even though the actual chain of events is suggested to be [[spoiler:the Phantom Ruby displacing Classic Sonic into the events of ''Forces'', followed by Encore Mode happening after Classic Sonic returns to his own time]]).
* The games have always taken place on some kind of alternate Earth... if you were a Japanese fan. In the 90s, Westerners had localized backstories that among other things placed the series on Planet Mobius and called the FunnyAnimals Mobians. This was reinforced by older English instruction manuals, cartoons, and comics. Enough Western fans grew up with this idea that even after newer localizations started referring to Earth and SEGA specifically forbid the rebooted comics from referring to Mobius/Mobians, plenty of fans still use the terms. It's mostly nostalgia, with some using the term Mobian as less of a mouthful than "FunnyAnimal character in the ''Sonic'' style," and some considering the idea that a series as surreal as ''Sonic'' can be taking place on a version of Earth to be a hard pill to swallow.
