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* Even with fans who liked ''all'' of the former series, they like to pretend that the [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 2016 reboot]] never existed.
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* Even with fans who liked ''all'' of the former series, they mostly pretend that the [[WesternAnimation/Ben102016 2016 reboot]] never existed.
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* Even those who aren't fond of shipping consider the confirmation that Ben and Kai are the OfficialCouple non-canon for a myriad of reasons, ranging from dislike of the character herself and to Ben being viewed as having better chemistry with other characters like Ester. It doesn't help that the character's return after being absent throughout both ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' was part of the show's goal to set up the future of the original series episode "Ben 10,000", which was meant to be an AlternateTimeline to begin with.
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* Even those who aren't fond of shipping consider the confirmation that Ben and Kai are the OfficialCouple non-canon for a myriad of reasons, ranging from dislike of the character herself and to Ben being viewed as having better chemistry with other characters like Ester.Ester or Rook. It doesn't help that the character's return after being absent throughout both ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' was part of the show's goal to set up the future of the original series episode "Ben 10,000", which was meant to be an AlternateTimeline to begin with.
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* Inverted with the original series' episode "Goodbye and Good Riddance", which was a WhatIf that explores what would happen if Ben returned to Bellwood at the end of summer vacation and was outed as a superhero. A fair number of fans (namely those who ignore the rest of the Classic continuity) like to view it as canon, taking place after the events of "WesternAnimation/Ben10SecretOfTheOmnitrix".
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* Inverted with the original series' episode "Goodbye and Good Riddance", which was a WhatIf that explores what would happen if Ben returned to Bellwood at the end of summer vacation and was outed as a superhero. A fair number of fans (namely those who ignore the rest of the Classic continuity) like to view it as canon, taking place after the events of "WesternAnimation/Ben10SecretOfTheOmnitrix".''WesternAnimation/Ben10SecretOfTheOmnitrix''.
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* Even those who aren't fond of shipping consider the confirmation that Ben and Kai are the OfficialCouple non-canon for a myriad of reasons, ranging from dislike of the character herself and to Ben being viewed as having better chemistry with other characters like Ester. It doesn't help that the character's return after being absent throughout both ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' was part of the show's goal set up the future of the original series episode "Ben 10,000", which was meant to be an AlternateTimeline to begin with.
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* Even those who aren't fond of shipping consider the confirmation that Ben and Kai are the OfficialCouple non-canon for a myriad of reasons, ranging from dislike of the character herself and to Ben being viewed as having better chemistry with other characters like Ester. It doesn't help that the character's return after being absent throughout both ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' was part of the show's goal to set up the future of the original series episode "Ben 10,000", which was meant to be an AlternateTimeline to begin with.
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''Franchise/{{Ben 10}}'': While there are certainly those who accept the entirety of the original continuity (aka, the first four series) to be canon, the [[BrokenBase fanbase is broken up enough]] that there are a large number of breaking points
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* Beginning with just the Original Series, there were fans who choose to treat "Goodbye and Good Riddance" (a WhatIf episode that had Ben return to Bellwood and be outed as a superhero) as the show's finale as opposed to "Secrets of The Omnitrix".
* There are fans that rejected the sequel series ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' due to the numerous {{retcon}}s it made; the two most egregious being Gwen and Kevin's powers being made alien in origin, rather than magic or natural mutation, and immediately turning the latter character into a good guy without the presence of a redemption arc.
* There are fans who liked both the original series and ''Alien Force'' but don't consider ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'' as canon, with explanations inexplicably being both ItsTheSameNowItSucks (too similar to ''Alien Force'' to really be considered a new iteration) ''or'' TheyChangedItNowItSucks (what elements that were changed ruined the experience).
* There are fans of the first three series that don't consider ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse Omniverse]]'' canon due to its [[DenserAndWackier change of tone]], character redesigns, and heavy use of comedy. Gwen fans were especially pissed at her new design. While some fans think it feels more like a natural evolution of her original series self far better than her ''Alien Force''/''Ultimate Alien'' design, others consider it ugly. There are also those who are indifferent to the appeal of the design itself, and more angered that the redesign is so removed from her established teenage design in ''Ultimate Alien'' with no reason other than the appeal to fans of the original series. On a similar note, some of these fans would only watch the first 2 episodes of “Omniverse” and ditch the rest, as they were the final episodes with the late Dwayne [=McDuffie=]’s involvement and consent.
* There are fans who love ''Omniverse'' who don't take some episodes as canon. Such as "So Long, And Thanks For All the Smoothies", which while considered a good episode by said fans, has an ending where [[spoiler:Ben [[ReplacementGoldfish is forced to recreate the entire universe after it was destroyed, implying that everyone from the previous three series is actually now dead and replaced with identical copies]]. Naturally, "Universe vs. Tennyson", in which Ben is put on trial for committing the act, is included with that.]] Another is the "Showdown" two-parter of the third season, which created a major PlotHole: [[spoiler:eleven-year-old Ben is obsessed with a new alien, Feedback. Malware, an evil alien entity, rips the alien out and destroys it. After Ben kills Malware, it cuts back to present day and Ben states that, since then, he can't rescan Feedback's species. Considering that his original Omnitrix was destroyed at the end of ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce Alien Force]]'', such a problem would not exist with the newer model.]]
* Some ''Omniverse'' fans don't consider the story arcs that followed after the first two and a half season as canon since they feel like that the villains that were introduced (or in the case of the Incurseans, reintroduced) after Khyber and Malware were [[ReplacementScrappy not as good as those two]].
* Fans of Helen, Manny, and Alan would disregard the VoodooShark twist in the Rooters story arc that they were actually [[spoiler:humans who were experimented with alien powers than being HalfHumanHybrids]]. Some fans who came to like Kevin as a good guy would also disregard the controversial {{Retcon}} in which [[spoiler:his father was never a Plumber]] as canon.
* Similarly to the ''Omniverse'' showrunners themselves, there are fans who don't consider parts of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' as canon, such as Eon.
* When it comes to shipping, Ben/Julie and Ben/Ester shippers consider the confirmation that Ben and Kai became the OfficialCouple in the end of the series as non-canon.
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* Beginning with just the Original Series, there were fans who choose to treat "Goodbye and Good Riddance" (a WhatIf episode that had Ben return to Bellwood and be outed as a superhero) as the show's finale as opposed to "Secrets of The Omnitrix".
* There are fans that rejected the sequel series ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' due to the numerous {{retcon}}s it made; the two most egregious being Gwen and Kevin's powers being made alien in origin, rather than magic or natural mutation, and immediately turning the latter character into a good guy without the presence of a redemption arc.
* There are fans who liked both the original series and ''Alien Force'' but don't consider ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'' as canon, with explanations inexplicably being both ItsTheSameNowItSucks (too similar to ''Alien Force'' to really be considered a new iteration) ''or'' TheyChangedItNowItSucks (what elements that were changed ruined the experience).
* There are fans of the first three series that don't consider ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse Omniverse]]'' canon due to its [[DenserAndWackier change of tone]], character redesigns, and heavy use of comedy. Gwen fans were especially pissed at her new design. While some fans think it feels more like a natural evolution of her original series self far better than her ''Alien Force''/''Ultimate Alien'' design, others consider it ugly. There are also those who are indifferent to the appeal of the design itself, and more angered that the redesign is so removed from her established teenage design in ''Ultimate Alien'' with no reason other than the appeal to fans of the original series. On a similar note, some of these fans would only watch the first 2 episodes of “Omniverse” and ditch the rest, as they were the final episodes with the late Dwayne [=McDuffie=]’s involvement and consent.
* There are fans who love ''Omniverse'' who don't take some episodes as canon. Such as "So Long, And Thanks For All the Smoothies", which while considered a good episode by said fans, has an ending where [[spoiler:Ben [[ReplacementGoldfish is forced to recreate the entire universe after it was destroyed, implying that everyone from the previous three series is actually now dead and replaced with identical copies]]. Naturally, "Universe vs. Tennyson", in which Ben is put on trial for committing the act, is included with that.]] Another is the "Showdown" two-parter of the third season, which created a major PlotHole: [[spoiler:eleven-year-old Ben is obsessed with a new alien, Feedback. Malware, an evil alien entity, rips the alien out and destroys it. After Ben kills Malware, it cuts back to present day and Ben states that, since then, he can't rescan Feedback's species. Considering that his original Omnitrix was destroyed at the end of ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce Alien Force]]'', such a problem would not exist with the newer model.]]
* Some ''Omniverse'' fans don't consider the story arcs that followed after the first two and a half season as canon since they feel like that the villains that were introduced (or in the case of the Incurseans, reintroduced) after Khyber and Malware were [[ReplacementScrappy not as good as those two]].
* Fans of Helen, Manny, and Alan would disregard the VoodooShark twist in the Rooters story arc that they were actually [[spoiler:humans who were experimented with alien powers than being HalfHumanHybrids]]. Some fans who came to like Kevin as a good guy would also disregard the controversial {{Retcon}} in which [[spoiler:his father was never a Plumber]] as canon.
* Similarly to the ''Omniverse'' showrunners themselves, there are fans who don't consider parts of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' as canon, such as Eon.
* When it comes to shipping, Ben/Julie and Ben/Ester shippers consider the confirmation that Ben and Kai became the OfficialCouple in the end of the series as non-canon.
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* When it comes to shipping, Ben/Julie and Ben/Ester shippers consider the confirmation that Ben and Kai became the OfficialCouple in the end
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''Franchise/{{Ben 10}}'': While there are certainly those who accept the entirety of the original continuity (aka, the first four series) to be canon, the [[BrokenBase fanbase is broken up enough]] that there are a large number of breaking points
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* Beginning with just the Original Series, there were fans who choose to treat "Goodbye and Good Riddance" (a WhatIf episode that had Ben return to Bellwood and be outed as a superhero) as the show's finale as opposed to "Secrets of The Omnitrix".
* There are fans that rejected the sequel series ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' due to the numerous {{retcon}}s it made; the two most egregious being Gwen and Kevin's powers being made alien in origin, rather than magic or natural mutation, and immediately turning the latter character into a good guy without the presence of a redemption arc.
* There are fans who liked both the original series and ''Alien Force'' but don't consider ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'' as canon, with explanations inexplicably being both ItsTheSameNowItSucks (too similar to ''Alien Force'' to really be considered a new iteration) ''or'' TheyChangedItNowItSucks (what elements that were changed ruined the experience).
* There are fans of the first three series that don't consider ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse Omniverse]]'' canon due to its [[DenserAndWackier change of tone]], character redesigns, and heavy use of comedy. Gwen fans were especially pissed at her new design. While some fans think it feels more like a natural evolution of her original series self far better than her ''Alien Force''/''Ultimate Alien'' design, others consider it ugly. There are also those who are indifferent to the appeal of the design itself, and more angered that the redesign is so removed from her established teenage design in ''Ultimate Alien'' with no reason other than the appeal to fans of the original series. On a similar note, some of these fans would only watch the first 2 episodes of “Omniverse” and ditch the rest, as they were the final episodes with the late Dwayne [=McDuffie=]’s involvement and consent.
* There are fans who love ''Omniverse'' who don't take some episodes as canon. Such as "So Long, And Thanks For All the Smoothies", which while considered a good episode by said fans, has an ending where [[spoiler:Ben [[ReplacementGoldfish is forced to recreate the entire universe after it was destroyed, implying that everyone from the previous three series is actually now dead and replaced with identical copies]]. Naturally, "Universe vs. Tennyson", in which Ben is put on trial for committing the act, is included with that.]] Another is the "Showdown" two-parter of the third season, which created a major PlotHole: [[spoiler:eleven-year-old Ben is obsessed with a new alien, Feedback. Malware, an evil alien entity, rips the alien out and destroys it. After Ben kills Malware, it cuts back to present day and Ben states that, since then, he can't rescan Feedback's species. Considering that his original Omnitrix was destroyed at the end of ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce Alien Force]]'', such a problem would not exist with the newer model.]]
* Some ''Omniverse'' fans don't consider the story arcs that followed after the first two and a half season as canon since they feel like that the villains that were introduced (or in the case of the Incurseans, reintroduced) after Khyber and Malware were [[ReplacementScrappy not as good as those two]].
* Fans of Helen, Manny, and Alan would disregard the VoodooShark twist in the Rooters story arc that they were actually [[spoiler:humans who were experimented with alien powers than being HalfHumanHybrids]]. Some fans who came to like Kevin as a good guy would also disregard the controversial {{Retcon}} in which [[spoiler:his father was never a Plumber]] as canon.
* Similarly to the ''Omniverse'' showrunners themselves, there are fans who don't consider parts of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' as canon, such as Eon.
* When it comes to shipping, Ben/Julie and Ben/Ester shippers consider the confirmation that Ben and Kai became the OfficialCouple in the end of the series as non-canon.
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* Beginning with just the Original Series, there were fans who choose to treat "Goodbye and Good Riddance" (a WhatIf episode that had Ben return to Bellwood and be outed as a superhero) as the show's finale as opposed to "Secrets of The Omnitrix".
* There are fans that rejected the sequel series ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' due to the numerous {{retcon}}s it made; the two most egregious being Gwen and Kevin's powers being made alien in origin, rather than magic or natural mutation, and immediately turning the latter character into a good guy without the presence of a redemption arc.
* There are fans who liked both the original series and ''Alien Force'' but don't consider ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'' as canon, with explanations inexplicably being both ItsTheSameNowItSucks (too similar to ''Alien Force'' to really be considered a new iteration) ''or'' TheyChangedItNowItSucks (what elements that were changed ruined the experience).
* There are fans of the first three series that don't consider ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse Omniverse]]'' canon due to its [[DenserAndWackier change of tone]], character redesigns, and heavy use of comedy. Gwen fans were especially pissed at her new design. While some fans think it feels more like a natural evolution of her original series self far better than her ''Alien Force''/''Ultimate Alien'' design, others consider it ugly. There are also those who are indifferent to the appeal of the design itself, and more angered that the redesign is so removed from her established teenage design in ''Ultimate Alien'' with no reason other than the appeal to fans of the original series. On a similar note, some of these fans would only watch the first 2 episodes of “Omniverse” and ditch the rest, as they were the final episodes with the late Dwayne [=McDuffie=]’s involvement and consent.
* There are fans who love ''Omniverse'' who don't take some episodes as canon. Such as "So Long, And Thanks For All the Smoothies", which while considered a good episode by said fans, has an ending where [[spoiler:Ben [[ReplacementGoldfish is forced to recreate the entire universe after it was destroyed, implying that everyone from the previous three series is actually now dead and replaced with identical copies]]. Naturally, "Universe vs. Tennyson", in which Ben is put on trial for committing the act, is included with that.]] Another is the "Showdown" two-parter of the third season, which created a major PlotHole: [[spoiler:eleven-year-old Ben is obsessed with a new alien, Feedback. Malware, an evil alien entity, rips the alien out and destroys it. After Ben kills Malware, it cuts back to present day and Ben states that, since then, he can't rescan Feedback's species. Considering that his original Omnitrix was destroyed at the end of ''[[WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce Alien Force]]'', such a problem would not exist with the newer model.]]
* Some ''Omniverse'' fans don't consider the story arcs that followed after the first two and a half season as canon since they feel like that the villains that were introduced (or in the case of the Incurseans, reintroduced) after Khyber and Malware were [[ReplacementScrappy not as good as those two]].
* Fans of Helen, Manny, and Alan would disregard the VoodooShark twist in the Rooters story arc that they were actually [[spoiler:humans who were experimented with alien powers than being HalfHumanHybrids]]. Some fans who came to like Kevin as a good guy would also disregard the controversial {{Retcon}} in which [[spoiler:his father was never a Plumber]] as canon.
* Similarly to the ''Omniverse'' showrunners themselves, there are fans who don't consider parts of ''Alien Force'' and ''Ultimate Alien'' as canon, such as Eon.
* When it comes to shipping, Ben/Julie and Ben/Ester shippers consider the confirmation that Ben and Kai became the OfficialCouple in the end of the series as non-canon.
