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** Reika Rikudou, one of the main antagonists of ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', is revealed to be one of the members of Faust due to Great Grail War not existing.
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* HopelessWithTech: Rin as usual. Having being taught by mages who hate technology, Rin has distanced herself from modern appliances at a young age which is why now, she is helpess when it comes to Build, the Full Bottles and Faust.
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* HopelessWithTech: Rin as usual. Having being taught by mages who hate technology, Rin has distanced herself from modern appliances at a young age which is why now, she is helpess helpless when it comes to Build, the Full Bottles and Faust.
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** While trying to do some research into Shirou's Kamen Rider armor (which she still assumes is a Mystic Code), Ilya wonders if it is related to either the [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Animuspheres]] or the [[LightNovel/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles Fargos]].
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** While trying to do some research into Shirou's Kamen Rider armor (which she still assumes is a Mystic Code), Ilya wonders if it is related to either the [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder Animuspheres]] or the [[LightNovel/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles [[Literature/LordElMelloiIICaseFiles Fargos]].
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** [[spoiler:[[Anime/FateZero Just as his father did]], Kirei is forced to call a truce during the Grail War to deal with a threat to TheMasquerade. But while Risei had to deal with a rogue Master-Servant duo, his son has to face a technological foe entirely unaffiliated with Mages]].
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** [[spoiler:[[Anime/FateZero [[spoiler:[[Literature/FateZero Just as his father did]], Kirei is forced to call a truce during the Grail War to deal with a threat to TheMasquerade. But while Risei had to deal with a rogue Master-Servant duo, his son has to face a technological foe entirely unaffiliated with Mages]].
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: No in-story example, but Shinji insinuates that he will tell people Shirou does this if the latter won't leave him alone. [[spoiler:He's actually referring to Kamen Rider Build, as Shinji had figured out Shirou's secret]].
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* CreatorsCultureCarryover: {{Downplayed|Trope}} - the author includes a few references/jokes that would make more sense if the story was set in North America (such as having Taiga claim that Shirou would start smoking marijuana after going down the slippery slope while letting Saber stay at his house), but otherwise the jokes and social elements are accurate to Japan.
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* WeAllLiveInAmerica: {{Downplayed|Trope}} - the author includes a few references/jokes that would make more sense if the story was set in North America (such as having Taiga claim that Shirou would start smoking marijuana after going down the slippery slope while letting Saber stay at his house), but otherwise the jokes and social elements are accurate to Japan.
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* TheMasquerade: {{Zigzagged|Trope)) -- [[PlayedStraight while the magic side of the crossover takes pains to hide their actions]], [[SubvertedTrope the technology side could care less if people see their forces in action as long as the identities and allegiances of those forces remain hidden]]. Rin is terrified by this, since it risks causing the magic side to undergo a BrokenMasquerade, which could lead to Fuyuki being destroyed to salvage said masquerade.
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* TheMasquerade: {{Zigzagged|Trope)) {{Zigzagged|Trope}} -- [[PlayedStraight while the magic side of the crossover takes pains to hide their actions]], [[SubvertedTrope the technology side could care less if people see their forces in action as long as the identities and allegiances of those forces remain hidden]]. Rin is terrified by this, since it risks causing the magic side to undergo a BrokenMasquerade, which could lead to Fuyuki being destroyed to salvage said masquerade.
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* WhamEpisode: Chapter 5. [[spoiler:Blood Stalk releases Nebula Gas into Homurahara, turning the student and faculty into Smash, with ''Sakura'' among their numbers. Additionally, when confronted by Rin and Shirou, Blood Stalk reveals that the Nebula Gas can be absorbed through skin, and that since Rin isn't being affected by it, there's the possibility that ''she'' is a Smash. Finally, Sakura's Smash form begins attacking Rin while the latter freezes up in terror over having to fight her sister]].
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* WhamEpisode: WhamEpisode:
** Chapter 5. [[spoiler:Blood Stalk releases Nebula Gas into Homurahara, turning the student and faculty into Smash, with ''Sakura'' among their numbers. Additionally, when confronted by Rin and Shirou, Blood Stalk reveals that the Nebula Gas can be absorbed through skin, and that since Rin isn't being affected by it, there's the possibility that ''she'' is a Smash. Finally, Sakura's Smash form begins attacking Rin while the latter freezes up in terror over having to fight hersister]].sister]].
** Chapter 8, "Only I Have The Right To Kill You": [[spoiler:Night Rouge turns Ilya into the Mirage Smash, causing her to reveal to Shirou that she is Kiritsugu's daughter. Night Rouge, meanwhile, reveals that he knows who Saber is]].
** Chapter 5. [[spoiler:Blood Stalk releases Nebula Gas into Homurahara, turning the student and faculty into Smash, with ''Sakura'' among their numbers. Additionally, when confronted by Rin and Shirou, Blood Stalk reveals that the Nebula Gas can be absorbed through skin, and that since Rin isn't being affected by it, there's the possibility that ''she'' is a Smash. Finally, Sakura's Smash form begins attacking Rin while the latter freezes up in terror over having to fight her
** Chapter 8, "Only I Have The Right To Kill You": [[spoiler:Night Rouge turns Ilya into the Mirage Smash, causing her to reveal to Shirou that she is Kiritsugu's daughter. Night Rouge, meanwhile, reveals that he knows who Saber is]].
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** When Faust is looking over what information they have on Saber, they learn from [[spoiler:reika]] that she was once in Japan ten years prior, and goes by the name Elise Watson. All of this references ''Literature/FateZero'', Elise Watson being the cover identity Kiritsugu used to get Saber into Japan.
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* WeAllLiveInAmerica: {{Downplayed|Trope}} - the author includes a few references/jokes that would make more sense if the story was set in North America (such as having Taiga claim that Shirou would start smoking marijuana after going down the slippery slope while letting Saber stay at his house), but otherwise the jokes and social elements are accurate to Japan.
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These examples of Surprisingly Realistic Outcome seem to violate at least one of these rules, which disqualifies them: No character reactions (characters get angry, don't forgive, don't change their personality instantly, etc.); Too fantastical (depends on the properties of magic, powers, sci-fi tech, monsters, etc.); Not surprising (a character was warned about the outcome, it's used to provide Karma or An Aesop, or it simply follows normal conventions for this genre or medium); Plot happens (the example only describes an event, but not why audiences would expect a different, unrealistic outcome); Not an outcome (a character just explains why something wouldn't work as expected); More of a Deconstruction (the event has major, lasting effects on the plot, make something more realistic, but not completely realistic, or a parody/fanwork applies realistic consequences to the events of a different work); or fits better under a different trope. See the trope's definition for more details. If you believe a removal was a mistake, please bring it up in the cleanup thread
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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: [[spoiler:After Sakura is taken to the hospital to recover from being turned into a Smash, the doctors perform a procedural body check on her, discovering several tears on her body which allows them to discover that she had been raped for years.]]
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* AdaptationAmalgamation: The story borrows elements from all three of ''Fate'''s timelines, which has interesting effects going forward. In particular, while Shirou and Rin's teamup leans closer to how they allied in ''Unlimited Blade Works'', Sakura's issues from ''Heaven's Feel'' are brought up early on and (mostly) sorted out.
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* AdaptationAmalgamation: The story borrows elements from all three of ''Fate'''s timelines, which has interesting effects going forward. In particular, while Shirou and Rin's teamup leans closer to how they allied in ''Unlimited Blade Works'', Sakura's issues from ''Heaven's Feel'' are brought up early on and (mostly) sorted out.out, [[spoiler:as well as Rin correctly deducing that Sakura is Rider's true master]].
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: No in-story example, but Shinji insinuates that he will tell people Shirou does this if the latter won't leave him alone. He's actually threatening to expose Shirou's secret identity.
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: No in-story example, but Shinji insinuates that he will tell people Shirou does this if the latter won't leave him alone. He's [[spoiler:He's actually threatening referring to expose Kamen Rider Build, as Shinji had figured out Shirou's secret identity.secret]].
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* NotSoAboveItAll: Rin makes a point of keeping an air of nobility around herself due to being the heir of a powerful magus family. All of this promptly goes out the window when Shirou takes her to ride on his motorcycle.
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* OutsideContextProblem: Kamen Rider Build, the Smash, and Faust are this for Magic side of things - as Magi consider technology beneath them, they're woefully surprised when facing PostCyberpunk entities who can fight them on an even playing field. This isn't in effect for the technology side, though, as Kamen Rider Build is Shirou (who was raised with some magical training), [[spoiler:while Reika (who has some inkling of magic) is a member of Faust]].
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* OutsideContextProblem: Kamen Rider Build, the Smash, and Faust are this for Magic side of things - as Magi consider technology beneath them, they're woefully surprised when facing PostCyberpunk entities who can fight them on an even playing field. This isn't in effect for In turn, the technology side, though, as Kamen Rider Build side is Shirou (who was raised surprised to fight entities that are straight up supernatural, with some magical training), [[spoiler:while Reika (who has some inkling the exception of magic) is a member of Faust]].Faust, who have at least on magically sensitive person ([[spoiler:Reika Rikudou]]) among their number.
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* PragmaticAdaptation: Since the activation of Pandora's Box would likely set off massive alarm bells for the Mages Association, most of the alien elements of ''Series/KamenRiderBuild'' have been modified into being relatively more mundane (the three governments are now corporations, for example). Additionally, the activation of Pandora's Box has been substituted with the Fuyuki Fire, as both happen ten years prior to their respective series' main plot. That being said, Shirou's explanation to Rin about Build and the S.M.A.S.H. confirms that Pandora's Box still exists, since it is too important to the Build side of the story to adapt out.
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* PragmaticAdaptation: Since the activation of Pandora's Box would likely set off massive alarm bells for the Mages Association, most of the alien elements of ''Series/KamenRiderBuild'' have been modified into being relatively more mundane (the three governments are now corporations, for example). Additionally, the activation of Pandora's Box has been substituted with the Fuyuki Fire, as both happen ten years prior to their respective series' main plot. That being said, Shirou's explanation to Rin about Build and the S.M.A.S.H. confirms The only elements that retain their extraterrestrial origins are the Kamen Riders, SMASH, Faust, and Pandora's Box still exists, Box, since it is too important to the Build side of the story to adapt out.there's no way they could be produced by terrestrial technology.
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* AdaptationAmalgamation: The story borrows elements from all three of ''Fate'''s timelines, which has interesting effects going forward. In particular, while Shirou and Rin's teamup leans closer to how they allied in ''Unlimited Blade Works'', Sakura's issues from ''Heaven's Feel'' are brought up early on and (mostly) sorted out.
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* AdaptedOut: [[spoiler:Since most of Zouken's Crest Worms within Sakura are killed by exposure to Nebula Gas, which is followed up by having Rin and Shirou rescue Sakura and give her a pep-talk to address her insecurities, it's looking like the Shadow won't be making an appearance]].
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* TheMasquerade: {{Zigzagged|Trope)) -- [[PlayedStraight while the magic side of the crossover takes pains to hide their actions]], [[SubvertedTrope the technology side could care less if people see their forces in action as long as the identities and allegiances of those forces remain hidden]]. Rin is terrified by this, since it risks causing the magic side to undergo a BrokenMasquerade, which could lead to Fuyuki being destroyed to salvage said masquerade.
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* PragmaticAdaptation: Since the activation of Pandora's Box would likely set off massive alarm bells for the Mages Association, most of the alien elements of ''Series/KamenRiderBuild'' have been modified into being relatively more mundane (the three governments are now corporations, for example). Additionally, the activation of Pandora's Box has been substituted with the Fuyuki Fire, as both happen ten years prior to their respective series' main plot.
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* PragmaticAdaptation: Since the activation of Pandora's Box would likely set off massive alarm bells for the Mages Association, most of the alien elements of ''Series/KamenRiderBuild'' have been modified into being relatively more mundane (the three governments are now corporations, for example). Additionally, the activation of Pandora's Box has been substituted with the Fuyuki Fire, as both happen ten years prior to their respective series' main plot. That being said, Shirou's explanation to Rin about Build and the S.M.A.S.H. confirms that Pandora's Box still exists, since it is too important to the Build side of the story to adapt out.
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that's incorrect. Rin's hair was always brown. it's just very dark.
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* AdaptationalDyeJob: Rin has black hair in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', but here she's stated to have brown hair. [[spoiler:It is highly likely that this is a clever bit of {{Foreshadowing}} that she is a CompositeCharacter with Kamen Rider Cross-Z]].
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* AgeLift: Mimi Katsure is a child around Ilya's age in her [[Anime/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya home series]] (where Ilya is actually as old as she looks). Here, she's implied to still be around the same age as [[OlderThanTheyLook Ilya]], so when Shirou meets her in chapter 7, she's an adult.
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* AgeLift: Mimi Katsure is a child around Ilya's age in her [[Anime/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya [[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya home series]] (where Ilya is actually as old as she looks). Here, she's implied to still be around the same age as [[OlderThanTheyLook Ilya]], so when Shirou meets her in chapter 7, she's an adult.
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* AgeLift: Mimi Katsure is a child around Ilya's age in her [[Anime/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIlya home series]] (where Ilya is actually as old as she looks). Here, she's implied to still be around the same age as [[OlderThanTheyLook Ilya]], so when Shirou meets her in chapter 7, she's an adult.
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* AgeLift: Mimi Katsure is a child around Ilya's age in her [[Anime/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIlya [[Anime/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya home series]] (where Ilya is actually as old as she looks). Here, she's implied to still be around the same age as [[OlderThanTheyLook Ilya]], so when Shirou meets her in chapter 7, she's an adult.
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* AdaptationalDyeJob: Rin has black hair in ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', but here she's stated to have brown hair. [[spoiler:It is highly likely that this is a clever bit of {{Foreshadowing}} that she is a CompositeCharacter with Kamen Rider Cross-Z]].
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* AgeLift: Mimi Katsure is a child around Ilya's age in her [[Anime/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIlya home series]] (where Ilya is actually as old as she looks). Here, she's implied to still be around the same age as [[OlderThanTheyLook Ilya]], so when Shirou meets her in chapter 7, she's an adult.
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** Mimi Katsura, one of Illya's school friends from the [[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya Miyuverse]] appears as an adult and a doctor at a hospital.
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** Mimi Katsura, one of Illya's school friends from the [[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya Miyuverse]] Miyuverse]], appears as an adult and a doctor at a hospital.
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* ForWantOfANail: Reika Rikudou, one of the main antagonists of ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', is revealed to be one of the members of Faust due to Great Grail War not existing.
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** Reika Rikudou, one of the main antagonists of ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', is revealed to be one of the members of Faust due to Great Grail War not existing.
** Reika Rikudou, one of the main antagonists of ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', is revealed to be one of the members of Faust due to Great Grail War not existing.
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* RedEyesTakenWarning: [[spoiler:Shirou notices Rin's eyes slowly turning red after he tells her [[RapeAsDrama what happened to Sakura]].]]
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** Mimi Katsura, one of Illya's school friends from the [[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya Miyuverse]] appears as an adult and a doctor at a hospital.
* RedEyesTakenWarning: [[spoiler:Shirou notices Rin's eyes slowly turning red after he tells her [[RapeAsDrama what happened to Sakura]].]]
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** Canonically, Bazett is killed off by Kirei so that he can steal her command spells and control of Lancer. Here, [[spoiler:she's turned into a Smash, but is defeated by Shirou and eventually sent home]].
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** Canonically, Bazett is killed off by Kirei so that he can steal her command spells and control of Lancer. Here, [[spoiler:she's turned into a Smash, but is defeated by Shirou and eventually sent home]].taken to a hospital to recover]].
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* MagicVersusScience: The theme of the story - one half of the cast comes from an UrbanFantasy setting and deals with magic in the modern world, while the other half are from a PostCyberpunk setting focused on trying to gain an alien artifact and battle science-derived monsters.
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* MagicVersusScience: The theme of the story - one half of the cast comes from an UrbanFantasy setting and deals with magic in the modern world, while the other half are from a PostCyberpunk setting focused on trying to gain an alien artifact and battle science-derived monsters. Notably, it's explicitly shown that Nebula Gas has negative effects on Magi. [[spoiler:It's also poisonous to Zouken's Crest Worms]].
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* VillainTakesAndInterest: Both Shinji and Zouken take an interest in Faust after [[spoiler:Blood Stalk fills Homurahara with Nebula Gas and forces Kirei to call a truce to the Grail War. Zouken even starts experimenting to see which of his Crest Worms can survive said gas]].
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* VillainTakesAndInterest: VillainTakesAnInterest: Both Shinji and Zouken take an interest in Faust after [[spoiler:Blood Stalk fills Homurahara with Nebula Gas and forces Kirei to call a truce to the Grail War. Zouken even starts experimenting to see which of his Crest Worms can survive said gas]].
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** Shirou is combined with Sneto Kiryu AKA Kamen Rider Build.
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** Shirou is combined with Sneto Sento Kiryu AKA Kamen Rider Build.
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* BeyondTheImpossible: The Magic Side is shocked that Kamen Rider Build is able to survive Noble Phantasms and succeed in taking one of Heracles's lives which only high-level Servants are thought only be able to do, especially since Build is a piece of newly created technology, as per the laws of the Nasuverse technology ''cannot'' affect magical entities unless modified with magic, and OlderIsBetter. If Build still retains its origins as being created from extraterrestrial technology, then it might actually {{Subvert|edTrope}} this, due to the nature of how extraterrestrials interact with Earth in the Nasuverse.[[note]]Beyond Crimson Moon Brunestud creating the Dead Apostles and ORT doing whatever it does, the only other major character in the Nasuverse to explicitly be an alien, [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder the Foreign God]], is able to override the Quantum Time Lock and allow timelines that had otherwise been pruned off to save the energy of the multiverse to progress[[/note]]
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* BeyondTheImpossible: The Magic Side is shocked that Kamen Rider Build is able to survive Noble Phantasms and succeed in taking one of Heracles's lives which only high-level Servants are thought only be able to do, especially since Build is a piece of newly created technology, as per the laws of the Nasuverse technology ''cannot'' affect magical entities unless modified with magic, and OlderIsBetter. If Build still retains its origins as being created from extraterrestrial technology, then it might actually {{Subvert|edTrope}} this, due to the nature of how extraterrestrials interact with Earth in the Nasuverse.[[note]]Beyond Crimson Moon Brunestud creating the Dead Apostles and ORT doing whatever it does, the Ultimate Ones literally requiring a dedicated AntiMagic weapon to kill, the only other major character in the Nasuverse to explicitly be an alien, [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder the Foreign God]], is able to override the Quantum Time Lock and allow timelines that had otherwise been pruned off to save the energy of the multiverse to progress[[/note]]
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* SparedByTheAdaptation: Canonically, Bazett is killed off by Kirei so that he can steal her command spells and control of Lancer. Here, [[spoiler:she's turned into a Smash, but is defeated by Shirou and eventually sent home]].
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** Canonically, Bazett is killed off by Kirei so that he can steal her command spells and control of Lancer. Here, [[spoiler:she's turned into a Smash, but is defeated by Shirou and eventually senthome]].home]].
** In ''Series/KamenRiderBuild'', the host for the Burn Smash, Kasumi Ogura, dies after the Smash Essence is extracted, due to being too weak to survive the transformation. Here, [[spoiler:said host is ''Sakura'', and since Sakura has had to endure being used as a living nest for magical parasites for ''ten years'', she manages to survive the Smash Essence's extraction]].
** Canonically, Bazett is killed off by Kirei so that he can steal her command spells and control of Lancer. Here, [[spoiler:she's turned into a Smash, but is defeated by Shirou and eventually sent
** In ''Series/KamenRiderBuild'', the host for the Burn Smash, Kasumi Ogura, dies after the Smash Essence is extracted, due to being too weak to survive the transformation. Here, [[spoiler:said host is ''Sakura'', and since Sakura has had to endure being used as a living nest for magical parasites for ''ten years'', she manages to survive the Smash Essence's extraction]].
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* VillainTakesAndInterest: Both Shinji and Zouken take an interest in Faust after [[spoiler:Blood Stalk fills Homurahara with Nebula Gas and forces Kirei to call a truce to the Grail War. Zouken even starts experimenting to see which of his Crest Worms can survive said gas]].
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: Rin likes to present herself as calm, and collected, due to her pride as a Magus and her upbringing. [[spoiler:So when her reaction to learning that Shinji [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped Sakura]], ''[[RelativeButton her sister]]'', is to call him [[PrecisionFStrike a son of a bitch]] and [[LeeroyJenkins immediately plan a direct attack on his house with little to no concern for strategy at first]] speaks volumes of just how much Shinji enraged her]].
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** Rin likes to present herself as calm, and collected, due to her pride as a Magus and her upbringing. [[spoiler:So when her reaction to learning that Shinji [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped Sakura]], ''[[RelativeButton her sister]]'', is to call him [[PrecisionFStrike a son of a bitch]] and [[LeeroyJenkins immediately plan a direct attack on his house with little to no concern for strategy at first]] speaks volumes of just how much Shinji enragedher]].her]].
** [[spoiler:Archer actually smiles when Shirou and Rin promise Sakura that they will keep her safe from Zouken and Shinji]].
** Rin likes to present herself as calm, and collected, due to her pride as a Magus and her upbringing. [[spoiler:So when her reaction to learning that Shinji [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raped Sakura]], ''[[RelativeButton her sister]]'', is to call him [[PrecisionFStrike a son of a bitch]] and [[LeeroyJenkins immediately plan a direct attack on his house with little to no concern for strategy at first]] speaks volumes of just how much Shinji enraged
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** [[spoiler:Sakura is the Burn Smash]].
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* DirtyOldMan: Bloodstalk is this when he reacts pervesely with Rider much to the latter's disgust. Rin even calls him that.
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* DirtyOldMan: Bloodstalk is this when he reacts pervesely perversely with Rider much to the latter's disgust. Rin even calls him that.
