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Was anyone else struck by the remarkable similarities between Inception and one of William Gibson\'s Neuromancer? I kept seeing shout-outs everywhere, from Cobb\'s vision of Limbo starting at an endless beach, to having to synchronize \
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Was anyone else struck by the remarkable similarities between Inception and William Gibson\\\'s Neuromancer? I kept seeing shout-outs everywhere, from Cobb\\\'s vision of Limbo starting at an endless beach, to having to synchronize \\\"kicks\\\" between different dream-levels, to the employer getting iced in the middle of the job... the entire presumption of a low-tech Cyberpunk world (inter-corporate intrigue, corporate goons chasing after Cobb) and the questioning of reality in the face of technology. It all seems to point in that direction.
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I don\'t claim to know much about anime, and don\'t really care much for the little I do know. On the other hand, I do know something -- rather a lot, really -- about English, and the use of the word \
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I don\\\'t claim to know much about anime, and don\\\'t really care much for the little I do know. On the other hand, I do know something -- rather a lot, really -- about English, and the use of the word \\\"genre\\\" in a broad sense to mean \\\"type\\\" or \\\"kind\\\" is well established. The most one can say is that it is misleading in this context.
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"\\\'\\\'Trickfilm\\\'\\\'\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany as insist that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of anime vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
Incidentally -- dude, are you really not aware that \\\"quite a few\\\" is an idiom for \\\"many\\\"?
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"\\\'\\\'Trickfilm\\\'\\\'\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany as insist that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of anime vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
Incidentally -- dude, are you really not aware that \\\"quite a few\\\" is an idiom for \\\"many\\\"?
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I don\'t claim to know much about anime, and don\'t really care much for the little I do know. On the other hand, I do know something -- rather a lot, really -- about English, and the use of the word \
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I don\\\'t claim to know much about anime, and don\\\'t really care much for the little I do know. On the other hand, I do know something -- rather a lot, really -- about English, and the use of the word \\\"genre\\\" in a broad sense to mean \\\"type\\\" or \\\"kind\\\" is well established. The most one can say is that it is misleading in this context.
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"\\\'\\\'Trickfilm\\\'\\\'\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany as insist that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of anime vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"\\\'\\\'Trickfilm\\\'\\\'\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany as insist that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of anime vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
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I don\'t claim to know much about anime, and don\'t really care much for the little I do know. On the other hand, I do know something -- rather a lot, really -- about English, and the use of the word \
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I don\\\'t claim to know much about anime, and don\\\'t really care much for the little I do know. On the other hand, I do know something -- rather a lot, really -- about English, and the use of the word \\\"genre\\\" in a broad sense to mean \\\"type\\\" or \\\"kind\\\" is well established. The most one can say is that it is misleading in this context.
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"Trickfilm\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany insisting that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of anime vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"Trickfilm\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany insisting that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of anime vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
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I don\'t claim to know much about anime, and don\'t really care much for the little I do know. On the other hand, I do know something -- rather a lot, really -- about English, and the use of the word \
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I don\\\'t claim to know much about anime, and don\\\'t really care much for the little I do know. On the other hand, I do know something -- rather a lot, really -- about English, and the use of the word \\\"genre\\\" in a broad sense to mean \\\"type\\\" or \\\"kind\\\" is well established. The most one can say is that it is misleading in this context.
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"Trickfilm\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany insisting that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"Trickfilm\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany insisting that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
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I don\\\'t claim to know much about anime, and don\\\'t really care much for the little I do know. On the other hand, I do know something -- rather a lot, really -- about English, and the use of the word \\\"genre\\\" in a broad sense to mean \\\"type\\\" or \\\"kind\\\" is well established. The most one can say is that it is misleading in this context.
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"Trickfilm\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany insisting that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot[\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
As to the word \\\"anime\\\" itself, it seems rather pointless to introduce a word into English to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan,\\\" when one can say \\\"Japanese animation,\\\" \\\"Japanese cartoon,\\\" or (if one is in a deprecatory mood) \\\"Japanimation.\\\" One might as well insist on people using \\\"Trickfilm\\\" for all cartoons made in Germany insisting that they use \\\"anime\\\" only to mean \\\"a cartoon from Japan.\\\" And what does \\\"a cartoon from Japan\\\" mean, exactly? Animated by Westerners in Japan? Animated in other countries by ethnically Japanese artists? Animated by Westerners in the West using Japanese scripts and storyboards? Animated by Japanese in Japan using Western scripts and storyboards? Is \\\'\\\'Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind\\\'\\\' anime? \\\'\\\'TheFlightOfDragons\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT38rbo5Eg Dr. Snuggles]]\\\'\\\'? \\\'\\\'[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj_uNy-bss Kid Power]]?\\\'\\\' Every single one of them by the same studio, Topcraft. Is \\\'\\\'DragonBallZ\\\'\\\'? \\\"Alakazam the Great\\\"? How about \\\'\\\'Series/DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\'? All Toei. Are the episodes of \\\'\\\'Gargoyles\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Aladdin\\\'\\\' animated by The Answer Studio (AKA \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Japan)\\\") anime, but the ones animated by \\\"Walt Disney Animation (Australia)\\\" not? How about the \\\'\\\'parts\\\'\\\' of episodes?
As an (admittedly somewhat loose) grab-bag term for cartoons characterized by visual elements such as \\\"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography,\\\" \\\"anime\\\" is a critically useful term; as a variant for \\\"Japanese cartoon\\\" it is an [[GratuitousJapanese affectation]]. Nor, indeed, is it in that sense that most people use it. You may not like the fact, as I dislike the fact that many people use \\\"crest\\\" to mean \\\"coat-of-arms,\\\" but such is the case, nor can one change it by fiat.
It is irrelevant that many individual examples of vary in style. Cassatt, Cézanne, Edgar Degas, Gauguin, Manet, Monet, Renoir, Seurat, and Whistler in painting; Debussy, Ravel, Respighi, Satie, and Ralph Vaughan Williams in music; Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, and Verlaine in literature all display a certain similarity that causes them to be lumped together as \\\"Impressionists.\\\" Obviously they vary wildly in style, as in nationality and medium (though there is a French predominance, as in anime a Japanese one). (By the way, the musical Impressionism article on Wikipedia uses \\\"genre\\\" in exactly the same general sense that Matthew did.) There is a certain similarity that allows all of them to be considered as a single kind of thing. So too with anime.
By the way, \\\"MindScrew,\\\" \\\"RescueArc, and \\\"UnwantedHarem\\\" are examples of \\\"genre,\\\" \\\"subgenre,\\\" or \\\"metagenre\\\"? Why have there been no protests on that page?
As to your Shredninja link, anyone capable of writing, \\\'\\\'e.g.\\\'\\\', \\\"Haku (the dragon) is a strong symble [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'], he does not get alot[\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] of screen time, (true) but we don\\\'t nead [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] him to, we know that he wants to help Chihiro, we know that her faith in him wavers, but that she thinks about him, and eventualy [\\\'\\\'sic\\\'\\\'] we see this expressed as love\\\" is hardly an expert on English usage.
To be blunt, I think ConfusedMatthew was a silly ass to review an anime film when he knew he disliked anime as a class (which is what he meant by \\\"genre\\\"), though I gather he was badgered into it by a friend. (I\\\'d not have done so for a wilderness of monkeys.) I agree with [[CSLewis C.S. Lewis]] that if one finds he has a visceral dislike of something, he ought to disqualify himself from reviewing it. Nevertheless, to be even blunter, I think it\\\'s obvious that those who dislike Matthew for disliking anime are filling this page with gratuitous [[TakeThat Take Thats]] to punish him for stating his dislike publicly. I frankly have to agree with Tropers/GibberingTroper that there is a pro-anime BiasSteamroller at work here.
