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Is there any sort of trope that applies to the fact that \'\'Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet\'\' is the first movie that Diva gave two Saving Graces?

* \\\'\\\'[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Neon Genesis Evangelion]]\\\'\\\'. Yet another {{Deconstruction}} from Eva, [[PlayingWithATrope though there are some genuine moments]]. Shinji Ikari\\\'s psychological issues and lack of self-esteem cripple almost any response to Asuka\\\'s hints; [[ExaggeratedTrope when he does respond, he performs so poorly that he feeds into Asuka\\\'s own self-esteem issues and hurts her]]. Rei grows to have feelings for Shinji, but doesn\\\'t fully realize it until just before she dies: so, [[PlayedStraight neither does Shinji]] [[spoiler: - [[HeroicSacrifice dying]] [[TakeMeInstead in his place]] [[CaptainObvious is the giveaway]]]]. Kaworu, however, is forwardly affectionate to Shinji (though said affections are ambiguous), [[DefiedTrope and Shinji responds the most openly to him]] [[PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou only]] [[MercyKill to have]] [[KillTheOnesYouLove to kill]] [[SacrificialLion him]] [[TheReveal when Kaworu reveals himself]] to be [[TheMole the final Angel]]. Even Misato has an interest in Shinji, but their age gap and her being Shinji and Asuka\\\'s guardian would make it incredibly unorthodox and very shaky ([[SubvertedTrope her attempts are clumsy and badly received anyway]]).

* \\\'\\\'[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Neon Genesis Evangelion]]\\\'\\\'. Yet another {{Deconstruction}} from Eva, [[PlayingWithATrope though there are some genuine moments]]. Shinji Ikari\\\'s psychological issues and lack of self-esteem cripple almost any response to Asuka\\\'s hints; [[ExaggeratedTrope when he does respond, he performs so poorly that he feeds into Asuka\\\'s own self-esteem issues and hurts her]]. Rei grows to have feelings for Shinji, but doesn\\\'t fully realize it until just before she dies: so, [[PlayedStraight neither does Shinji]] [[spoiler: - [[HeroicSacrifice dying]] [[TakeMeInstead in his place]] [[CaptainObvious is the giveaway]]]]. Kaworu, however, is forwardly affectionate to Shinji (though said affections are ambiguous), [[DefiedTrope and Shinji responds the most openly to him]] [[PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou only]] [[MercyKill to have]] [[KillTheOnesYouLove to kill]] [[SacrificialLion him]] [[TheReveal when Kaworu reveals himself]] to be [[TheMole the final Angel]]. Even Misato has an interest in Shinji, but their age gap and her being Shinji and Asuka\\\'s guardian would make it incredibly unorthodox and very shaky ([[DefiedTrope - her attempts are clumsy and badly received anyway]]).

* \\\'\\\'[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Neon Genesis Evangelion]]\\\'\\\'. Yet another {{Deconstruction}} from Eva, [[PlayingWithATrope though there are some genuine moments]]. Shinji Ikari\\\'s psychological issues and lack of self-esteem mostly cripple any response to Asuka\\\'s hints; [[ExaggeratedTrope when he does respond, he performs so poorly that he feeds into Asuka\\\'s own self-esteem issues and hurts her]]. Rei grows to have feelings for Shinji, but doesn\\\'t fully realize it until just before she dies: so, [[PlayedStraight neither does Shinji]] [[spoiler: - [[HeroicSacrifice dying]] [[TakeMeInstead in his place]] [[CaptainObvious is the giveaway]]]]. Kaworu, however, is forwardly affectionate to Shinji (though said affections are ambiguous), [[DefiedTrope and Shinji responds the most openly to him]] [[PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou only]] [[MercyKill to have]] [[KillTheOnesYouLove to kill]] [[SacrificialLion him]] [[TheReveal when Kaworu reveals himself]] to be [[TheMole the final Angel]]. Even Misato has an interest in Shinji, but their age gap and her being Shinji and Asuka\\\'s guardian would make it incredibly unorthodox and very shaky ([[DefiedTrope - her attempts are clumsy and badly received anyway]]).

* \\\'\\\'[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Neon Genesis Evangelion]]\\\'\\\'. Yet another {{Deconstruction}} from Eva, [[PlayingWithATrope though there are some genuine moments]]. Shinji Ikari\\\'s psychological issues and lack of self-esteem mostly cripple any response to Asuka\\\'s hints [[ExaggeratedTrope when he does respond, he performs so poorly that he feeds into Asuka\\\'s own self-esteem issues and hurts her]]. Rei grows to have feelings for Shinji, but doesn\\\'t fully realize it until just before she dies: so, [[PlayedStraight neither does Shinji]] [[spoiler: - [[HeroicSacrifice dying]] [[TakeMeInstead in his place]] [[CaptainObvious is the giveaway]]]]. Kaworu, however, is forwardly affectionate to Shinji (though said affections are ambiguous), [[DefiedTrope and Shinji responds the most openly to him]] [[PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou only]] [[MercyKill to have]] [[KillTheOnesYouLove to kill]] [[SacrificialLion him]] [[TheReveal when Kaworu reveals himself]] to be [[TheMole the final Angel]]. Even Misato has an interest in Shinji, but their age gap and her being Shinji and Asuka\\\'s guardian would make it incredibly unorthodox and very shaky ([[DefiedTrope - her attempts are clumsy and badly received anyway]]).

Edit: I\\\'ve kept Kaworu\\\'s entry, as I understand the Trope is about Shinji, and so Kaworu\\\'s affections would either reinforce it or disembowel it. Here\\\'s my take:

* \\\'\\\'[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Neon Genessis Evangelion]]\\\'\\\'. Yet another {{Deconstruction}} from Eva, [[PlayingWithATrope though there are some genuine moments]]. Shinji Ikari\\\'s psychological issues and lack of self-esteem mostly cripple any response to Asuka\\\'s hints [[ExaggeratedTrope when he does respond, he performs so poorly that he feeds into Asuka\\\'s own self-esteem issues and hurts her]]. Rei grows to have feelings for Shinji, but doesn\\\'t fully realize it until just before she dies: so, [[PlayedStraight neither does Shinji]] [[spoiler: - [[HeroicSacrifice dying]] [[TakeMeInstead in his place]] [[CaptainObvious is the giveaway]]]]. Kaworu, however, is forwardly affectionate to Shinji (though said affections are ambiguous), [[DefiedTrope and Shinji responds the most openly to him]] [[PleaseKillMeIfItSatisfiesYou only]] [[MercyKill to have]] [[KillTheOnesYouLove to kill]] [[SacrificialLion him]] [[TheReveal when Kaworu reveals himself]] to be [[TheMole the final Angel]]. Even Misato has an interest in Shinji, but their age gap and her being Shinji and Asuka\\\'s guardian would make it incredibly unorthodox and very shaky ([[DefiedTrope - her attempts are clumsy and badly received anyway]]).