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Many, MANY examples here -- including non-Japanese examples -- are not butch by this trope\'s definition. Celebrities like Ellen DeGeneres and Rachel Maddow are listed here but don\'t fit the description at all. Same with fictional characters; anyone who identifies female but has a masculine presentation is listed even if another trope like {{Bifauxen}}, {{Tomboy}}, or TheLadette would be more accurate.
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Many, MANY examples here -- including non-Japanese examples -- are not butch by this trope\\\'s definition. Celebrities like Ellen DeGeneres and Rachel Maddow are listed here but don\\\'t fit the description at all. Same with fictional characters; anyone who identifies female but has a masculine presentation is listed even if another trope like {{Bifauxnen}}, {{Tomboy}}, or TheLadette would be more accurate.
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Agreed. It\'s not like they\'re using car phones with wires and antennae on the rear window and watching black-and-white TVs. I see flip phones and CRT TVs every day. (Also, if you have characters using smartphones, people will assume you\'re doing product placement unless you put logos for fake brands on them and make sure they\'re visible)
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Agreed. It\\\'s not like they\\\'re using car phones with wires and antennae on the rear window and watching black-and-white sets. I see flip phones and CRT televisions every day. (Also, if you have characters using smartphones, people will assume you\\\'re doing product placement unless you put logos for fake brands on them and make sure they\\\'re visible)
