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And no Glee does not win awards because it has good writing. It wins awards because it has universal appeal, funny jokes, a talented cast, good characters, occasional moments of \\\'\\\'great\\\'\\\' writing (Kurt and his dad for example), and most importantly \\\'\\\'fantastic music\\\'\\\'. Which is exactly why I watch the show in the first place. The people who give it the awards \\\'\\\'do\\\'\\\' agree with me.

But the writing is still lacking in {{consistency}}, both external and internal. Every episode floods the forums with people fanwanking about some confusing plot point like \\\"Why is Jesse so mad?\\\" \\\"Are Quinn and Puck going out or not?\\\" \\\"That\\\'s not what high school bullies are like\\\" and \\\"Mercedes\\\' babydaddy speech made no sense what the hell?\\\" \\\"What are they supposed to do at regionals? Place? Show? What?\\\" \\\"The regionals rules make no sense! Sue shouldn\\\'t be allowed to judge!\\\" In fact your AV Club site criticizes Glee for the same things, even going as far as calling it three shows in one DependingOnTheWriter. This is something that can be fixed, but it\\\'s a problem that\\\'s caused more critical viewers to stop watching the show.

And no, Glee is not realistic just because it has sex and drugs. I don\\\'t think HSM is realistic, I just think it\\\'s hypocritical to deride anything for being \\\"unrealistic\\\" while praising a show that featured one of the most ridiculous pregnancy plots ever written, alongside another fairly silly pregnancy plot! (Which is not a bad thing, it\\\'s just not realistic)

Also, your \\\"Glee does \\\'real\\\' topics like college\\\" example does not hold up. When Glee did it, Finn was trying to win scholarships by dancing to single ladies to win a football game and seducing Rachel back into Glee club so that he could have money for the baby he sired in a hot tub that Quinn had told him she was giving up anyway. Zefron had it a lot easier.

I know people who want to prove they\\\'re grow up by spurning all \\\"kiddie\\\" things think Glee is the most edgiest, subversive, complex show on television and every episode CrossesTheLineTwice with RefugeInAudacity but the truth is...plenty of those \\\"kiddies\\\"? \\\'\\\'Are also Glee fans.\\\'\\\' My homeschooled devoutly religious tweeny cousins like Glee! My conservative Republican granny likes Glee! Mindscrew! Maybe True Art Isn\\\'t \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' Offensive! It\\\'s possible to like one without treating the fans of the other as sub-human idiots. It\\\'s even possible to like \\\'\\\'both.\\\'\\\'

And no Glee does not win awards because it has good writing. It wins awards because it has universal appeal, funny jokes, good characters, occasional moments of good writing (Kurt and his dad for example), and most importantly, fantastic music. Which is exactly why I watch the show in the first place. But is still lacking in {{consistency}}. Every episode floods the forums with people fanwanking about some confusing plot point like \\\"Why is Jesse so mad?\\\" \\\"Are Quinn and Puck going out or not?\\\" \\\"That\\\'s not what high school bullies are like\\\" and \\\"Mercedes babydaddy speech made no sense what the hell?\\\" \\\"What are they supposed to do at regionals? Place? Show? What?\\\" \\\"The regionals rules make no sense! Sue shouldn\\\'t be allowed to judge!\\\"

And no, Glee is not realistic just because it has sex and drugs. I don\\\'t think HSM is realistic, I just think it\\\'s hypocritical to deride for being \\\"unrealistic\\\" while praising a show that contained one of the most ridiculous pregnancy plots ever written, alongside another fairly silly pregnancy plot. (Which is not a bad thing, it\\\'s just not realistic)

Also, your \\\"Glee does \\\'real\\\' topics like college\\\" example does not hold up. When Glee did it, Finn was trying to win scholarships by dancing to single ladies to win a football game and seducing Rachel back into Glee club so that he could have money for the baby he sired in a hot tub that Quinn had told him she was giving up anyway. Zefron had it a lot easier.

I know people who want to prove their grow up by spurning all \\\"kiddie\\\" things think Glee is the most edgiest, subversive, complex show on television and every episode CrossesTheLineTwice with RefugeInAudacity but the truth is...plenty of those \\\"kiddies\\\"? \\\'\\\'Are also Glee fans.\\\'\\\' My homeschooled devoutly religious tweeny cousins like Glee! My conservative Republican granny likes Glee! Mindscrew! Maybe True Art Isn\\\'t \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' Offensive! It\\\'s possible to like one without treating the fans of the other as sub-human idiots. It\\\'s even possible to like \\\'\\\'both.\\\'\\\'

And most of the \\\"Glee is a realistic subversive ironic deconstruction of HSM!\\\" ideas came from the pilot, and the only people who kept it up were desperately trying to fit the rest of the show to their preconceived notions. Many of them gave up by episode 3, and some are still going at it.

I\\\'m really not anti-Glee. I wouldn\\\'t waste my time on it if it wasn\\\'t a good show. I\\\'m just critiquing it. And as I clearly stated with many examples, I have visited \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of Glee sites and I know the majority\\\'s opinions.

And no Glee does not win awards because it has good writing. It wins awards because it has universal appeal, funny jokes, good characters, occasional moments of good writing (Kurt and his dad for example), and most importantly, fantastic music. Which is exactly why I watch the show in the first place. But is still lacking in {{consistency}}. Every episode floods the forums with people fanwanking about some confusing plot point like \\\"Why is Jesse so mad?\\\" \\\"Are Quinn and Puck going out or not?\\\" \\\"That\\\'s not what high school bullies are like\\\" and \\\"Mercedes babydaddy speech made no sense what the hell?\\\" \\\"What are they supposed to do at regionals? Place? Show? What?\\\" \\\"The regionals rules make no sense! Sue shouldn\\\'t be allowed to judge!\\\"

And no, Glee is not realistic just because it has sex and drugs. I don\\\'t think HSM is realistic, I just think it\\\'s hypocritical to deride for being \\\"unrealistic\\\" while praising a show that contained one of the most ridiculous pregnancy plots ever written, alongside another fairly silly pregnancy plot. (Which is not a bad thing, it\\\'s just not realistic)

Also, your \\\"Glee does \\\'real\\\' topics like college\\\" example does not hold up. When Glee did it, Finn was trying to win scholarships by dancing to single ladies to win a football game and seducing Rachel back into Glee club so that he could have money for the baby he sired in a hot tub that Quinn had told him she was giving up anyway. Zefron had it a lot easier.

I know people who want to grow up and spurn all \\\"kiddie\\\" things think Glee is the most edgiest, subversive, complex show on television and every episode CrossesTheLineTwice with RefugeInAudacity but the truth is...plenty of those \\\"kiddies\\\"? \\\'\\\'Are also Glee fans.\\\'\\\' My homeschooled devoutly religious tweeny cousins like Glee! My conservative Republican granny likes Glee! Mindscrew! Maybe True Art Isn\\\'t \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' Offensive! It\\\'s possible to like one without treating the fans of the other as sub-human idiots. It\\\'s even possible to like \\\'\\\'both.\\\'\\\'

And most of the \\\"Glee is a realistic subversive ironic deconstruction of HSM!\\\" ideas came from the pilot, and the only people who kept it up were desperately trying to fit the rest of the show to their preconceived notions. Many of them gave up by episode 3, and some are still going at it.

I\\\'m really not anti-Glee. I wouldn\\\'t waste my time on it if it wasn\\\'t a good show. I\\\'m just critiquing it. And no Glee does not win awards because it has good writing. It wins awards because it has universal appeal, funny jokes, good characters, occasional moments of good writing (Kurt and his dad for example), and most importantly, fantastic music. Which is exactly why I watch the show in the first place. But is still lacking in {{consistency}}. Every episode floods the forums with people fanwanking about some confusing plot point like \\\"Why is Jesse so mad?\\\" \\\"Are Quinn and Puck going out or not?\\\" \\\"That\\\'s not what high school bullies are like\\\" and \\\"Mercedes babydaddy speech made no sense what the hell?\\\" \\\"What are they supposed to do at regionals? Place? Show? What?\\\"

And as I clearly stated, I have visited \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of Glee sites and I know the majority\\\'s opinions.

And no, Glee is not realistic just because it has sex and drugs. I don\\\'t think HSM is realistic, I just think it\\\'s hypocritical to derride for being \\\"unrealistic\\\" while praising a show that contained one of the most ridiculous pregnancy plots ever written, alongside another fairly silly pregnancy plot. (Which is not a bad thing, it\\\'s just not realistic) Also, your college example really falls flat. When Glee did it, Finn was trying to win scholarships by dancing to single ladies to win a footbal game and seducing Rachel back into Glee club so that he could have money for the baby he sired in a hot tub that Quinn was planning on giving up anyway.

I know people who don\\\'t like \\\"kiddie\\\" things think Glee is the most edgiest, subversive, complex show on television and every episode CrossesTheLineTwice with RefugeInAudacity but the truth is...plenty of those \\\"kiddies\\\"? \\\'\\\'Are also Glee fans.\\\'\\\'

And most of the \\\"Glee is a realistic subversive ironic deconstruction of HSM!\\\" ideas came from the pilot, which then caused people to try and fit the rest of the show to their preconcieved notions..

I\\\'m really not anti-Glee. I wouldn\\\'t waste my time on it if it wasn\\\'t a good show. I\\\'m just critiquing it. And no Glee does not win awards because it has good writing. It wins awards because it has universal appeal, funny jokes, good characters, occasional moments of good writing (Kurt and his dad for example), and most importantly, fantastic music. Which is exactly why I watch the show in the first place. But is still lacking in {{consistency}}. Every episode floods the forums with people fanwanking about some confusing plot point like \\\"Why is Jesse so mad?\\\" \\\"Are Quinn and Puck going out or not?\\\" \\\"That\\\'s not what high school bullies are like\\\" and \\\"Mercedes babydaddy speech made no sense what the hell?\\\" \\\"What are they supposed to do at regionals? Place? Show? What?\\\"

Yeah, that\\\'s why I removed them the first time. You\\\'re the only one who had a problem with those entries being removed.

Yeah, that\\\'s why I removed them the first time. You\\\'re the only one who had a problem with those entries being removed.

And I\\\'m really not anti-Glee. I wouldn\\\'t waste my time on it if it wasn\\\'t a good show. I\\\'m just critiquing it...

Yeah, that\\\'s why I removed them the first time. You\\\'re the only one who had a problem with those entries being removed.

Yeah, that\\\'s why I removed them the first time...