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It just seems way too gushy and not very well-defined. It\'s tough to glean a definition other than \
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It just seems way too gushy and not very well-defined. It\\\'s tough to glean a definition other than \\\"the characters are smart\\\" and past that it gets... just wanky. But There Is no Such Thing as Notability so I say send it to YKTTW for reworking with a clearer definition, less giving Methods of Rationality a tongue bath, and overall better description (it\\\'s full of circular potholes, the groupings of the fics is utterly arbitrary, and there are namespace/emphasis issues).
From supergod
Regarding Rational Fiction, I agree that it seems way too self-congratulatory and it makes it seem that all fiction should be written that way. Also, it\\\'s a bit strange that it\\\'s two editors that are making most of the edits on the page and linking the article, both of whom have no unrelated edits.
Edit: It does seem to be primarily a Less Wrong concept, especially in relation to that \\\"Methods of Rationality\\\" fic. I know there\\\'s \\\"no such thing as notability\\\", but I think a concept that\\\'s used mainly in one forum, not very clearly defined, and doesn\\\'t seem like something that would have a lot of examples, probably wouldn\\\'t thrive.
From Dalek Kan Noladti
To counter the gushing, I\\\'d recommend expanding the part that says, \\\"Be warned\\\". That was a pothole to Internet Backdraft for a reason: while There Is no Such Thing as Notability, this is not a genre that everyone ever is going to enjoy. I also never intended the page to be distinctly \\\"Stuff EY and his gushing followers like\\\", because while I do hang out with that community, I actually have plenty of personal and ideological disputes with the official Rationality Cult myself.
Overall, if there\\\'s some way to not be cultish and have a page for a tiny but existent genre of stories that some few people like, that would be cool.
On the upside, since it\\\'s at least partially fanfic-focused, it\\\'s not like it\\\'ll ever be the main thing anyone sees on TV Tropes.
Herp derp.
From Septimus Heap
To me, the gushing comes from the fact that it seems to describe the genre as the only way to make works without Poor Communcation Kills and the like. It sounds very implicit to that page. Also, I see that the issues I pointed out earlier haven\\\'t been fixed.
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Anyone want to take a crack at turning that into something we can deal with? I\\\'m failing to see a lot of the problems. There\\\'s obviously some underlying conflict, but I can\\\'t figure out what it is.
There are a lot of complaints about lack of quality and \\\"gushing\\\", both of which I don\\\'t really see. Anyone care to try and parse that into specific problems (with examples) or actionable/quantifiable goals?
From supergod
Regarding Rational Fiction, I agree that it seems way too self-congratulatory and it makes it seem that all fiction should be written that way. Also, it\\\'s a bit strange that it\\\'s two editors that are making most of the edits on the page and linking the article, both of whom have no unrelated edits.
Edit: It does seem to be primarily a Less Wrong concept, especially in relation to that \\\"Methods of Rationality\\\" fic. I know there\\\'s \\\"no such thing as notability\\\", but I think a concept that\\\'s used mainly in one forum, not very clearly defined, and doesn\\\'t seem like something that would have a lot of examples, probably wouldn\\\'t thrive.
From Dalek Kan Noladti
To counter the gushing, I\\\'d recommend expanding the part that says, \\\"Be warned\\\". That was a pothole to Internet Backdraft for a reason: while There Is no Such Thing as Notability, this is not a genre that everyone ever is going to enjoy. I also never intended the page to be distinctly \\\"Stuff EY and his gushing followers like\\\", because while I do hang out with that community, I actually have plenty of personal and ideological disputes with the official Rationality Cult myself.
Overall, if there\\\'s some way to not be cultish and have a page for a tiny but existent genre of stories that some few people like, that would be cool.
On the upside, since it\\\'s at least partially fanfic-focused, it\\\'s not like it\\\'ll ever be the main thing anyone sees on TV Tropes.
Herp derp.
From Septimus Heap
To me, the gushing comes from the fact that it seems to describe the genre as the only way to make works without Poor Communcation Kills and the like. It sounds very implicit to that page. Also, I see that the issues I pointed out earlier haven\\\'t been fixed.
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Anyone want to take a crack at turning that into something we can deal with? I\\\'m failing to see a lot of the problems. There\\\'s obviously some underlying conflict, but I can\\\'t figure out what it is.
There are a lot of complaints about lack of quality and \\\"gushing\\\", both of which I don\\\'t really see. Anyone care to try and parse that into specific problems (with examples) or actionable/quantifiable goals?
