Discussion History YMMV / PokemonBlackAndWhite

No, that\'s not it at all. Even if N ISN\'T his real son, he\'s his adopted child, and treating him the way Ghetsis did is unarguably wrong. The reason Ghetsis isn\'t considered a CM anymore is because he\'s apparently \"small potatoes\" and his world domination schemes, plus all the despicable actions he took in the name of it, isn\'t heinous enough when compared to other villains. Nevermind the whole thing about scale and opportunity, since Ghetsis does make the most of what he\'s got and is the worst he can possibly be. But the site managers aren\'t changing their mind about this.

[[MyGreatestFailure Had I gotten Ghetsis to be seriously considered for the trope]], this would be my writeup:

* CompleteMonster: [[SinisterMinister Ghetsis Harmonia]] is the leader of [[AnimalWrongsGroup Team Plasma]] who is [[BigBad responsible for all the evil committed by the team.]] [[BitchInSheepsClothing Appearing to be]] [[FauxAffablyEvil a courteous and well meaning individual]] who seeks to liberate Pokemon from trainers, [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist he is in truth]] a [[{{Sadist}} sadistic]], [[ItsAllAboutMe self serving]], [[{{Narcissist}} narcissistic]] [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who seeks to disarm all trainers and exploit the power Pokemon possess so that he can [[TakeOverTheWorld become ruler of the world]], with him and his Team Plasma as the only ones able to use Pokemon. To accomplish this, he [[AbusiveParents raised his adopted son N in an isolated environment]] and groomed him to be TheHero of legend by conditioning his mind with a false view of the reality of humans and Pokemon, making him believe his Pokemon friends needed to be freed from the captivity of trainers, but Ghetsis [[ILied actually planned to enslave all Pokemon for himself]]. When his plans to get all of Unova\'s Pokemon released fail, Ghetsis [[IHaveNoSon coldly disowns N]], [[KickTheDog calling him a warped, defective \"freak without a human heart\"]], and threatens to kill the PlayerCharacter for knowing the truth of his ambitions. Two years later, Ghetsis captures the legendary Kyruem and has it [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured]] inside a power amplifying and extracting device so he can use it\'s freezing power as a [[WeaponOfMassDestruction destructive]] FreezeRay [[InferredHolocaust to devastate half of Unova, including a populated Opelucid City, endangering countless lives.]] Ghetsis attempts to raise Kyurem\'s power to maximum so he could [[KillItWithIce put the entire continent on ice]] in order to extort total control from it\'s leaders, and when the KidHero tries to stop him, he [[WouldHurtAChild orders Kyurem to attack them directly while they\'re defenseless in order to freeze them solid.]] When N intervenes, Ghetsis uses the DNA Splicers to [[BodyHorror force Kyurem into a fusion]] with N\'s legendary Dragon Pokemon. After Ghetsis is defeated a second time, N offers his father a chance to repent, but Ghetsis [[RedemptionRejection turns it down]] by verbally tearing N down some more. Shamelessly admitting to loving watching people [[DespairEventHorizon lose all hope]] and repeatedly [[LackOfEmpathy treating others as merely tools for his use]], Ghetsis proved himself a dangerous and thoroughly wicked individual who saw no lines he couldn\'t cross on his path to global domination.

No, that\'s not it at all. Even if N ISN\'T his real son, he\'s his adopted child, and treating him the way Ghetsis did is unarguably wrong. The reason Ghetsis isn\'t considered a CM anymore is because he\'s apparently \"small potatoes\" and his world domination schemes, plus all the despicable actions he took in the name of it, isn\'t heinous enough when compared to other villains. Nevermind the whole thing about scale and opportunity, since Ghetsis does make the most of what he\'s got and is the worst he can possibly be. But the site managers aren\'t changing their mind about this.

[[MyGreatestFailure Had I gotten Ghetsis to be seriously considered for the trope]], this would be my writeup:

* CompleteMonster: [[SinisterMinister Ghetsis Harmonia]] is the leader of [[AnimalWrongsGroup Team Plasma]] who is [[BigBad responsible for all the evil committed by the team.]] [[BitchInSheepsClothing Appearing to be]] [[FauxAffablyEvil a courteous and well meaning individual]] who seeks to liberate Pokemon from trainers, [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist he is in truth]] a [[{{Sadist}} sadistic]], [[ItsAllAboutMe self serving]], [[{{Narcissist}} narcissistic]] [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who seeks to disarm all trainers and exploit the power Pokemon possess so that he can [[TakeOverTheWorld become ruler of the world]], with him and his Team Plasma as the only ones able to use Pokemon. To accomplish this, he [[AbusiveParents raised his adopted son N in an isolated environment]] and groomed him to be TheHero of legend by conditioning his mind with a false view of the reality of humans and Pokemon, making him believe his Pokemon friends needed to be freed from the captivity of trainers, but Ghetsis [[ILied actually planned to enslave all Pokemon for himself]]. When his plans to get all of Unova\'s Pokemon released fail, Ghetsis [[IHaveNoSon coldly disowns N]], [[KickTheDog calling him a warped, defective \"freak without a human heart\"]], and threatens to kill the PlayerCharacter for knowing the truth of his ambitions. Two years later, Ghetsis captures the legendary Kyruem and has it [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured]] inside a power amplifying and extracting device so he can use it\'s freezing power as a [[WeaponOfMassDestruction destructive]] FreezeRay [[InferredHolocaust to devastate half of Unova, including a populated Opelucid City, endangering countless lives.]] Ghetsis attempts to raise Kyurem\'s power to maximum so he could [[KillItWithIce put the entire continent on ice]] in order to extort total control from it\'s leaders, and when the KidHero tries to stop him, he [[WouldHurtAChild orders Kyurem to attack them directly while they\'re defenseless in order to freeze them solid.]] When N intervenes, Ghetsis uses the DNA Splicers to [[BodyHorror force Kyurem into a fusion]] with N\'s legendary Dragon Pokemon. After Ghetsis is defeated a second time, N offers his father a chance to repent, but Ghetsis [[RedemptionRejection turns it down]] by verbally tearing N down some more. In \'\'Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon\'\', a Ghetsis from an AlternateReality is made to join [[LegionOfDoom Team Rainbow Rocket]], but he soon desires to [[TheStarscream use Giovanni as a pawn]] so that he can gain power over all worlds in all realities, making him [[AGodAmI supreme rule over all of existence.]] [[SoreLoser Refusing to accept defeat when he\'s beaten in battle]], Ghetsis backhands Lillie and [[DirtyCoward threatens to murder her by his own hand if the Player Character doesn\'t drop their Poke\' balls and surrender to him.]] Shamelessly admitting to loving watching people [[DespairEventHorizon lose all hope]] and repeatedly [[LackOfEmpathy treating others as merely tools for his use]], Ghetsis proved himself a dangerous and thoroughly wicked individual who saw no lines he couldn\'t cross on his path to global domination.

No, that\'s not it at all. Even if N ISN\'T his real son, he\'s his adopted child, and treating him the way Ghetsis did is unarguably wrong. The reason Ghetsis isn\'t considered a CM anymore is because he\'s apparently \"small potatoes\" and his world domination schemes, plus all the despicable actions he took in the name of it, isn\'t heinous enough when compared to other villains. Nevermind the whole thing about scale and opportunity, since Ghetsis does make the most of what he\'s got and is the worst he can possibly be. But the site managers aren\'t changing their mind about this.

[[MyGreatestFailure Had I gotten Ghetsis to be seriously considered for the trope]], this would be my writeup:

* CompleteMonster:: [[SinisterMinister Ghetsis Harmonia]] is the leader of [[AnimalWrongsGroup Team Plasma]] who is [[BigBad responsible for all the evil committed by the team.]] [[BitchInSheepsClothing Appearing to be]] [[FauxAffablyEvil a courteous and well meaning individual]] who seeks to liberate Pokemon from trainers, [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist he is in truth]] a [[{{Sadist}} sadistic]], [[ItsAllAboutMe self serving]], [[{{Narcissist}} narcissistic]] [[TheSociopath sociopath]] who seeks to disarm all trainers and exploit the power Pokemon possess so that he can [[TakeOverTheWorld become ruler of the world]], with him and his Team Plasma as the only ones able to use Pokemon. To accomplish this, he [[AbusiveParents raised his adopted son N in an isolated environment]] and groomed him to be TheHero of legend by conditioning his mind with a false view of the reality of humans and Pokemon, making him believe his Pokemon friends needed to be freed from the captivity of trainers, but Ghetsis [[ILied actually planned to enslave all Pokemon for himself]]. When his plans to get all of Unova\'s Pokemon released fail, Ghetsis [[IHaveNoSon coldly disowns N]], [[KickTheDog calling him a warped, defective \"freak without a human heart\"]], and threatens to kill the PlayerCharacter for knowing the truth of his ambitions. Two years later, Ghetsis captures the legendary Kyruem and has it [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured]] inside a power amplifying and extracting device so he can use it\'s freezing power as a [[WeaponOfMassDestruction destructive]] FreezeRay [[InferredHolocaust to devastate half of Unova, including a populated Opelucid City, endangering countless lives.]] Ghetsis attempts to raise Kyurem\'s power to maximum so he could [[KillItWithIce put the entire continent on ice]] in order to extort total control from it\'s leaders, and when the KidHero tries to stop him, he [[WouldHurtAChild orders Kyurem to attack them directly while they\'re defenseless in order to freeze them solid.]] When N intervenes, Ghetsis uses the DNA Splicers to [[BodyHorror force Kyurem into a fusion]] with N\'s legendary Dragon Pokemon. After Ghetsis is defeated a second time, N offers his father a chance to repent, but Ghetsis [[RedemptionRejection turns it down]] by verbally tearing N down some more. In \'\'Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon\'\', a Ghetsis from an AlternateReality is made to join [[LegionOfDoom Team Rainbow Rocket]], but he soon desires to [[TheStarscream use Giovanni as a pawn]] so that he can gain power over all worlds in all realities, making him [[AGodAmI supreme rule over all of existence.]] [[SoreLoser Refusing to accept defeat when he\'s beaten in battle]], Ghetsis backhands Lillie and [[DirtyCoward threatens to murder her by his own hand if the Player Character doesn\'t drop their Poke\' balls and surrender to him.]] Shamelessly admitting to loving watching people [[DespairEventHorizon lose all hope]] and repeatedly [[LackOfEmpathy treating others as merely tools for his use]], Ghetsis proved himself a dangerous and thoroughly wicked individual who saw no lines he couldn\'t cross on his path to global domination.

No, that\\\'s not it at all. Even if N ISN\\\'T his real son, he\\\'s his adopted child, and treating him the way Ghetsis did is unarguably wrong. The reason Ghetsis isn\\\'t considered a CM anymore is because he\\\'s apparently \\\"small potatoes\\\" and his world domination schemes, plus all the despicable actions he took in the name of it, isn\\\'t heinous enough when compared to other villains. Nevermind the whole thing about scale and opportunity, since Ghetsis does make the most of what he\\\'s got and is the worst he can possibly be. But the site managers aren\\\'t changing their mind about this.

[[MyGreatestFailure Had I gotten Ghetsis to be seriously considered for the trope]], this would be my writeup:

* The true leader of Team Plasma and BigBad, Ghetsis Harmonia, is the kind of person who would and did take in an orphan child found in the woods, [[AbusiveParents treat him with neglect, emotional manipulation, and mental abuse]], and permit him to be raised alongside Pokemon that he had his mooks abuse in order to give the child a false impression on humans and their relationships with Pokemon, all so the child could be a pawn in his plan to TakeOverTheWorld. A power-hungry, narcissistic sociopath with a knack for exploiting others, Ghetsis\\\' selfish scheming is at the heart of every deplorable action taken by Team Plasma and everything wrong that occurs in the games. Though [[BitchInSheepsClothing hiding beneath a mask of]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist benevolence and good intentions]], he really [[ItsAllAboutMe cares for nothing but himself.]] The crux of his plan is that if his \\\"son\\\" N could become the Hero of legend and force everyone in the world to release their Pokemon, Ghetsis would then be left as the only one who could use Pokemon as means of oppressing and enslaving everyone alive. He [[ManipulativeBastard uses his pawns, his foster son included, as stepping stones in his rise to power]], [[JerkAss is cruel and abusive to humans and Pokemon alike]], and is also [[TheSociopath an unapologetic sadist who admits to loving taking away hopes and dreams]] just so he can see people [[DespairEventHorizon in the moment where they lose all hope and break down in despair.]] And he has the audacity to call N a \\\"freak without a human heart\\\", even though his plan hinged on him being just that. In the sequel, he tortures a legendary Pokemon in order to make it comply with terrorizing the entire Unova region, endangering many lives with a fatal freeze in order to extort power and control from the fearful, suffering masses, and then [[WouldHurtAChild he attempts to]] have said Pokemon freeze the KidHero to death - the first time anyone in a Pokemon game has ordered a direct attack on the player character [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy without even a proper battle preceding it.]] And just to prove there is not a shred of decency in him, the man [[RedemptionRejection shuts down a chance at redemption]] even when it\\\'s offered to him by his \\\"son\\\", despite all that he\\\'d done to him his whole life. So in the end, everyone, including his own followers who regret working for him, comes to see Ghetsis as rotten to the core.

Wow, this recap is a natteriffic mess. It\\\'s like written by someone who applies real-world standards to the world of Family Guy of all shows and is then shocked that it doesn\\\'t meet them.

Wow, this recap is a natteriffic mess. It\\\'s like written by someone applies real-world standards to the world of Family Guy of all shows and is then shocked that it doesn\\\'t meet them.

No, that\\\'s not it at all. Even if N ISN\\\'T his real son, he\\\'s his adopted child, and treating him the way Ghetsis did is unarguably wrong. The reason Ghetsis isn\\\'t considered a CM anymore is because he\\\'s apparently \\\"small potatoes\\\" and his world domination schemes, plus all the despicable actions he took in the name of it, isn\\\'t heinous enough when compared to other villains. Nevermind the whole thing about scale and opportunity, since Ghetsis does make the most of what he\\\'s got and is the worst he can possibly be. But the site managers aren\\\'t changing their mind about this.

[[MyGreatestFailure Had I gotten Ghetsis to be seriously considered for the trope]], this would be my writeup:

* The true leader of Team Plasma and Big Bad, Ghetsis Harmonia, is the kind of person who would and did take in an orphan child found in the woods, [[AbusiveParents treat him with neglect, emotional manipulation, and mental abuse]], and permit him to be raised alongside Pokemon that he had his mooks abuse in order to give the child a false impression on humans and their relationships with Pokemon, all so the child could be a pawn in his plan to take over the world. His scheming is at the heart of every deplorable action taken by Team Plasma and everything wrong that occurs in the games. Though [[BitchInSheepsClothing hiding beneath a mask of]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist benevolence and good intentions]], he really [[ItsAllAboutMe cares for nothing but himself.]] The crux of his plan is that if his \\\"son\\\" N could become the Hero of legend and force everyone in the world to release their Pokemon, Ghetsis would then be left as the only one who could use Pokemon as means of oppressing and enslaving everyone alive. He [[ManipulativeBastard uses his pawns, his foster son included, as stepping stones in his rise to power]], [[JerkAss is cruel and abusive to humans and Pokemon alike]], and is also [[TheSociopath an unapologetic sadist who admits to loving taking away hopes and dreams]] just so he can see people [[DespairEventHorizon in the moment where they lose all hope and break down in despair.]] And he has the audacity to call N a \\\"freak without a human heart\\\", even though his plan hinged on him being just that. In the sequel, he tortures a legendary Pokemon in order to make it comply with terrorizing the entire Unova region, endangering many lives with a fatal freeze in order to extort power and control from the fearful, suffering masses, and then [[WouldHurtAChild he attempts to]] have said Pokemon freeze the KidHero to death - the first time anyone in a Pokemon game has ordered a direct attack on the player character [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy without even a proper battle preceding it.]] And just to prove there is not a shred of decency in him, the man [[RedemptionRejection shuts down a chance at redemption]] even when it\\\'s offered to him by his \\\"son\\\", despite all that he\\\'d done to him his whole life. So in the end, everyone, including his own followers who regret ever working for him, comes to see Ghetsis as rotten to the core.

No, that\\\'s not it at all. Even if N ISN\\\'T his real son, he\\\'s his adopted child, and treating him the way Ghetsis did is unarguably wrong. The reason Ghetsis isn\\\'t considered a CM anymore is because he\\\'s apparently \\\"small potatoes\\\" and his world domination schemes, plus all the despicable actions he took in the name of it, isn\\\'t heinous enough when compared to other villains. Nevermind the whole thing about scale and opportunity, since Ghetsis does make the most of what he\\\'s got and is the worst he can possibly be. But the site managers aren\\\'t changing their mind about this.

[[MyGreatestFailure Had I gotten Ghetsis to be seriously considered for the trope]], this would be my writeup:

* The true leader of Team Plasma and Big Bad, Ghetsis Harmonia, is the kind of person who would and did take in an orphan child found in the woods, [[AbusiveParents treat him with neglect, emotional manipulation, and mental abuse]], and permit him to be raised alongside Pokemon that he had his mooks abuse in order to give the child a false impression on humans and their relationships with Pokemon, all so the child could be a pawn in his plan to take over the world. His scheming is at the heart of every deplorable action taken by Team Plasma and everything wrong that occurs in the games. Though [[BitchInSheepsClothing hiding beneath a mask of]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist benevolence and good intentions]], he really [[ItsAllAboutMe cares for nothing but himself.]] The crux of his plan is that if his \\\"son\\\" N could become the Hero of legend and force everyone in the world to release their Pokemon, Ghetsis would then be left as the only one who could use Pokemon as means of oppressing and enslaving everyone alive. He [[ManipulativeBastard uses his pawns, his foster son included, as stepping stones in his rise to power]], [[JerkAss is cruel and abusive to humans and Pokemon alike]], and is also [[TheSociopath an unapologetic sadist who admits to loving taking away hopes and dreams]] just so he can see people [[DespairEventHorizon in the moment where they lose all hope and break down in despair.]] And he has the audacity to call N a \\\"freak without a human heart\\\", even though his plan hinged on him being just that. In the sequel, he tortures a legendary Pokemon in order to make it comply with terrorizing the entire Unova region, endangering many lives without hesitation, and then [[WouldHurtAChild he attempts to]] have said Pokemon freeze the KidHero to death - the first time anyone in a Pokemon game has ordered a direct attack on the player character [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy without even a proper battle preceding it.]] And just to prove there is not a shred of decency in him, the man [[RedemptionRejection shuts down a chance at redemption]] even when it\\\'s offered to him by his \\\"son\\\", despite all that he\\\'d done to him his whole life. So in the end, everyone, including his own followers who regret ever working for him, comes to see Ghetsis as rotten to the core.

No, that\\\'s not it at all. Even if N ISN\\\'T his real son, he\\\'s his adopted child, and treating him the way Ghetsis did is unarguably wrong. The reason Ghetsis isn\\\'t considered a CM anymore is because he\\\'s apparently \\\"small potatoes\\\" and his world domination schemes, plus all the despicable actions he took in the name of it, isn\\\'t heinous enough when compared to other villains. Nevermind the whole thing about scale and opportunity, since Ghetsis does make the most of what he\\\'s got and is the worst he can possibly be. But the site managers aren\\\'t changing their mind about this.

[[MyGreatestFailure Had I gotten Ghetsis to be seriously considered for the trope]], this would be my writeup:

* The true leader of Team Plasma and Big Bad, Ghetsis Harmonia, is the kind of person who would and did take in an orphan child found in the woods, [[AbusiveParents treat him with neglect, emotional manipulation, and mental abuse]], and permit him to be raised alongside Pokemon that he had his mooks abuse in order to give the child a false impression on humans and their relationships with Pokemon, all so the child could be a pawn in his plan to take over the world. His scheming is at the heart of every deplorable action taken by Team Plasma and everything wrong that occurs in the games. Though [[BitchInSheepsClothing hiding beneath a mask of]] [[WellIntentionedExtremist benevolence and good intentions]], he really [[ItsAllAboutMe cares for nothing but himself.]] The crux of his plan is that if his \\\"son\\\" N could become the Hero of legend and force everyone in the world to release their Pokemon, Ghetsis would then be left as the only one who could use Pokemon as means of oppressing and enslaving everyone alive. He [[ManipulativeBastard uses his pawns, his foster son included, as stepping stones in his rise to power]], [[JerkAss is cruel and abusive to humans and Pokemon alike]], and is also [[TheSociopath an unapologetic sadist who admits to loving taking away hopes and dreams]] just so he can see people [[DespairEventHorizon in the moment where they lose all hope and break down in despair.]] And he has the audacity to call N a \\\"freak without a human heart\\\", even though his plan hinged on him being just that. In the sequel, he tortures a legendary Pokemon in order to make it comply with terrorizing the entire Unova region, endangering many lives without hesitation, and then [[WouldHurtAChild he attempts to]] have said Pokemon freeze the KidHero to death - the first time anyone in a Pokemon game has ordered a direct attack on the player character [[DangerouslyGenreSavvy without even a proper battle preceding it.]] And just to prove there is not a shred of decency in him, the man [[RedemptionRejection shuts down a chance at redemption]] even when it\\\'s offered to him by his \\\"son\\\", despite all that he\\\'d done to him his whole life. So in the end, everyone, including his own followers who regret ever working for him, comes to see Ghetsis as rotten to the core.