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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \
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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \\\"I have dealt with dangerous situations before,\\\" than Alex\\\'s reason of \\\"Hey, Lara\\\'s hot, maybe running off into enemy territory will make her fall for me.\\\" Additionally, anyone could have ended up in Grim\\\'s position.

I\\\'m not complaining that white men died. I just find it suspect that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white men died, especially when it didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to be that way. But that\\\'s how the script was written. All minorities survive. All women survive. All white men die. If the opposite had been true, for \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' reason, no matter \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' many HeroicSacrifices there were, people would be calling it out as racist and sexist. So why is it different when things are reversed? Why couldn\\\'t there have been a more equal death toll? Why was the script written so that only white males were evil or cowardly and only white males died? The only non-white non-male evil character is Himiko, and she\\\'s both a PosthumousCharacter and force of nature at this point.

Regarding the saving of Lara, who is white: Yes, they all died saving the \\\'\\\'main character\\\'\\\'. The protagonist. As occurs in many, many other games. The fact that Lara is the protagonist is the reason that they die saving her, not because she\\\'s white. The protagonist is white because this is a reboot of Tomb Raider, and Lara has been white since 1996. The fact that she\\\'s white would be a problem if \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' minorities had died to save her, but that isn\\\'t the case. Again, my problem isn\\\'t that white people died. It\\\'s that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white people -- white men, at that -- died. If only black women had died (HeroicSacrifice or not) or were cowardly or evil, and not a single black woman survived the game, that would be a \\\'\\\'huge problem\\\'\\\'. But because it\\\'s only white men, it\\\'s okay? I don\\\'t agree.


\\\"Also, a fully spoilered example is bad.\\\" On a trope description page? Yes. On a work\\\'s trope page? Sometimes it\\\'s necessary for an \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' entry to be put in spoiler tags on a work\\\'s page. If the work has a DownerEnding, for instance, that and the accompanying text that explains the DownerEnding are big spoilers and would have to be tagged accordingly. I don\\\'t see how an entry regarding a game\\\'s death toll being mostly hidden is a bad thing on the work\\\'s page.
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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die like an idiot, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \
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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \\\"I have dealt with dangerous situations before,\\\" than Alex\\\'s reason of \\\"Hey, Lara\\\'s hot, maybe running off into enemy territory will make her fall for me.\\\" Additionally, anyone could have ended up in Grim\\\'s position.

I\\\'m not complaining that white men died. I just find it suspect that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white men died, especially when it didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to be that way. But that\\\'s how the script was written. All minorities survive. All women survive. All white men die. If the opposite had been true, for \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' reason, no matter \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' many HeroicSacrifices there were, people would be calling it out as racist and sexist. So why is it different when things are reversed? Why couldn\\\'t there have been a more equal death toll? Why was the script written so that only white males were evil or cowardly and only white males died? The only non-white non-male evil character is Himiko, and she\\\'s both a PosthumousCharacter and force of nature at this point.

Regarding the saving of Lara, who is white: Yes, they all died saving the \\\'\\\'main character\\\'\\\'. The protagonist. As occurs in many, many other games. The fact that Lara is the protagonist is the reason that they die saving her, not because she\\\'s white. The protagonist is white because this is a reboot of Tomb Raider, and Lara has been white since 1996. The fact that she\\\'s white would be a problem if \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' minorities had died to save her, but that isn\\\'t the case. Again, my problem isn\\\'t that white people died. It\\\'s that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white people -- white men, at that -- died. If only black women had died (HeroicSacrifice or not) or were cowardly or evil, that would be a \\\'\\\'huge problem\\\'\\\'. But because it\\\'s only white men, it\\\'s okay? I don\\\'t agree.


\\\"Also, a fully spoilered example is bad.\\\" On a trope description page? Yes. On a work\\\'s trope page? Sometimes it\\\'s necessary for an \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' entry to be put in spoiler tags on a work\\\'s page. If the work has a DownerEnding, for instance, that and the accompanying text that explains the DownerEnding are big spoilers and would have to be tagged accordingly. I don\\\'t see how an entry regarding a game\\\'s death toll being mostly hidden is a bad thing on a work\\\'s page.
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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die like an idiot, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \
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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die like an idiot, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \\\"I have dealt with dangerous situations before,\\\" than Alex\\\'s reason of \\\"Hey, Lara\\\'s hot, maybe running off into enemy territory will make her fall for me.\\\" Additionally, anyone could have ended up in Grim\\\'s position.

I\\\'m not complaining that white men died. I just find it suspect that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white men died, especially when it didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to be that way. But that\\\'s how the script was written. All minorities survive. All women survive. All white men die. If the opposite had been true, for \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' reason, no matter \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' many HeroicSacrifices there were, people would be calling it out as racist and sexist. So why is it different when things are reversed? Why couldn\\\'t there have been a more equal death toll? Why was the script written so that only white males were evil or cowardly and only white males died? The only non-white non-male evil character is Himiko, and she\\\'s both a PosthumousCharacter and force of nature at this point.

Regarding the saving of Lara, who is white: Yes, they all died saving the \\\'\\\'main character\\\'\\\'. The protagonist. As occurs in many, many other games. The fact that Lara is the protagonist is the reason that they die saving her, not because she\\\'s white. The protagonist is white because this is a reboot of Tomb Raider, and Lara has been white since 1996. The fact that she\\\'s white would be a problem if \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' minorities had died to save her, but that isn\\\'t the case. Again, my problem isn\\\'t that white people died. It\\\'s that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white people -- white men, at that -- died. If only black women had died (HeroicSacrifice or not) or were cowardly or evil, that would be a \\\'\\\'huge problem\\\'\\\'. But because it\\\'s only white men, it\\\'s okay? I don\\\'t agree.


\\\"Also, a fully spoilered example is bad.\\\" On a trope description page? Yes. On a work\\\'s trope page? Sometimes it\\\'s necessary for an \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' entry to be put in spoiler tags on a work\\\'s page. If the work has a DownerEnding, for instance, that and the accompanying text that explains the DownerEnding are big spoilers and would have to be tagged accordingly. I don\\\'t see how an entry regarding a game\\\'s death toll being mostly hidden is a bad thing on a work\\\'s page.
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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die like an idiot, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \
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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die like an idiot, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \\\"I have dealt with dangerous situations before,\\\" than Alex\\\'s reason of \\\"Hey, Lara\\\'s hot, maybe running off into enemy territory will make her fall for me.\\\" Additionally, anyone could have ended up in Grim\\\'s position.

I\\\'m not complaining that white men died. I just find it suspect that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white men died, especially when it didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to be that way. But that\\\'s how the script was written. All minorities survive. All women survive. All white men die. If the opposite had been true, for \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' reason, no matter \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' many HeroicSacrifices there were, people would be calling it out as racist and sexist. So why is it different when things are reversed? Why couldn\\\'t there have been a more equal death toll? Why was the script written so that only white males were evil or cowardly and only white males died? The only non-white non-male evil character is Himiko, and she\\\'s both a PosthumousCharacter and force of nature at this point.

Regarding the saving of Lara, who is white: Yes, they all died saving the \\\'\\\'main character\\\'\\\'. The protagonist. As occurs in many, many other games. The fact that Lara is the protagonist is the reason that they die saving her, not because she\\\'s white. The protagonist is white because this is a reboot of Tomb Raider, and Lara has been white since 1996. Again, my problem isn\\\'t that white people died. It\\\'s that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white people -- white men, at that -- died. If only black women had died (HeroicSacrifice or not) or were cowardly or evil, that would be a \\\'\\\'huge problem\\\'\\\'. But because it\\\'s only white men, it\\\'s okay? I don\\\'t agree.


\\\"Also, a fully spoilered example is bad.\\\" On a trope description page? Yes. On a work\\\'s trope page? Sometimes it\\\'s necessary for an \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' entry to be put in spoiler tags on a work\\\'s page. If the work has a DownerEnding, for instance, that and the accompanying text that explains the DownerEnding are big spoilers and would have to be tagged accordingly. I don\\\'t see how an entry regarding a game\\\'s death toll being mostly hidden is a bad thing on a work\\\'s page.
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1. Citation needed for what? The death toll?
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1. Citation needed for what? The death toll? I\\\'m not trying to be a smartass or a jerk; I am genuinely unsure of what you mean by this.
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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die like an idiot, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \
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Frankly, Jonah would have far and away been the better choice to go retrieve the tools, but Alex is suddenly revealed to have a crush on Lara and therefore he does it. Jonah, in the comics, has been shown to handle a gun and shoot at people before, so he can deal with using lethal force if necessary. As far as we know, Alex has never used a gun in his life, much less used one to kill people. If someone had to run off on their own to die like an idiot, then what would have been wrong with Jonah being the one to perform the HeroicSacrifice in that situation? It would have made far more sense for him to go off alone with the reasoning of \\\"I have dealt with dangerous situations before,\\\" than Alex\\\'s reason of \\\"Hey, Lara\\\'s hot, maybe running off into enemy territory will make her fall for me.\\\" Additionally, anyone could have ended up in Grim\\\'s position.

I\\\'m not complaining that white men died. I just find it suspect that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white men died, especially when it didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to be that way. But that\\\'s how the script was written. All minorities survive. All women survive. All white men die. If the opposite had been true, for \\\'\\\'whatever\\\'\\\' reason, no matter \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' many HeroicSacrifices there were, people would be calling it out as racist and sexist. So why is it different when things are reversed? Why couldn\\\'t there have been a more equal death toll? Why was the script written so that only white males were evil or cowardly and only white males died? The only non-white non-male evil character is Himiko, and she\\\'s both a PosthumousCharacter and force of nature at this point.

Regarding the saving of Lara, who is white: Yes, they all died saving the \\\'\\\'main character\\\'\\\'. The protagonist. As occurs in many, many other games. The fact that Lara is the protagonist is the reason that they die saving her, not because she\\\'s white. The protagonist is white because this is a reboot of Tomb Raider, and Lara has been white since 1996. Again, my problem isn\\\'t that white people died. It\\\'s that \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' white people -- white men, at that -- died. If only black women died (HeroicSacrifice or not) or were cowardly or evil, that would be a \\\'\\\'huge problem\\\'\\\'. But because it\\\'s white men, it\\\'s okay? I don\\\'t agree.


\\\"Also, a fully spoilered example is bad.\\\" On a trope description page? Yes. On a work\\\'s trope page? Sometimes it\\\'s necessary for an \\\'\\\'entire\\\'\\\' entry to be spoiled on a work\\\'s page. If the work has a DownerEnding, for instance, that and the accompanying text that explains the DownerEnding are big spoilers and would have to be tagged accordingly. I don\\\'t see how an entry regarding a game\\\'s death toll being mostly hidden is a bad thing on a work\\\'s page.
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