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\\\"he can activate a sleeper assassin but he can\\\'t take the time to get an agent to confirm\\\"
He was cut off from any reinforcements or resupply and the mage storms were slowly but surely dooming him, his men, and the people of Hardorn. His only agent in Valdemar was an artist who had no access to anything that would\\\'ve been able to confirm or deny the idea that the Valdemarians were causing the mage storms. Yes, he would have known that they were being affected by them as well, but it\\\'s well established that Valdemar is also weathering the storms much better than Tremaine\\\'s forces in Hardorn because Valdemar was much less reliant on magic in the first place, which makes it not unreasonable to believe that they\\\'re willing to damage themselves a little in order to damage their enemies a lot.
\\\"Had the situation in Mage Storms been reversed and the Valdemarans had believed that the storm was an attack by Hardorn, their response would almost certainly not have involved an assassination.\\\"
Like when their response to Hardorn throwing magic and mage-bound troops at them wasn\\\'t to assassinate the king of Hardorn and his two chief mages? Oh, wait. That\\\'s exactly what they did, which is why I called it hypocritical of them to condemn Tremaine\\\'s actions in the first place. Yes, they had more confirmation than Tremaine did, but that doesn\\\'t make Tremaine\\\'s belief unreasonable. The mage storms were something utterly alien to him, and he had \\\'\\\'no\\\'\\\' reason to believe that it was a natural phenomena, and \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of reason (if circumstantial) that Valdemar was behind it.
Anyway, that\\\'s largely beside the point. Both parties were doing what they thought was best for their troops and their people out of the purest of motives, and Tremaine is genuinely remorseful for the mistake he made -- all of which the Alliance knew through his truth-spelled interrogations. And yet they came within a hairsbreadth of rejecting his alliance (it\\\'s implied that Solaris and Karal-via-Altra both nearly decided to \\\'\\\'kill\\\'\\\' him) for doing... exactly what they did to Ancar/Hulda/Falconsbane: striking at a perceived threat to their country and their people.
Again, if {{Hypocrite}} isn\\\'t the right trope, what would you use instead? DoubleStandard? (It\\\'s okay for Valdemar to assassinate threats from Hardorn, but not for Hardorn to assassinate threats from Valdemar.) ProtagonistCenteredMorality? (It\\\'s okay for the heroes to assassinate someone they hate, but not okay for an AntiVillain to assassinate someone they like.) MoralMyopia? (It\\\'s okay to assassinate people, as long as it\\\'s not the heroes\\\' friends.)
There\\\'s \\\'\\\'very clearly\\\'\\\' some moral dissonance going on with the situation. No one tells Tremaine \\\"we wouldn\\\'t have minded if we were actually the cause of the mage storms, but you killed an innocent man\\\" they say \\\"you killed a friend of mine, you bastard\\\" -- while the more honest ones, at least, admit that they \\\'\\\'can\\\'t say they wouldn\\\'t have done the same thing\\\'\\\' if they were in Tremaine\\\'s shoes. But they still distrust him for it, he\\\'s still punished for it, and the narrative is still very clearly on the Valdemarians\\\' side about it.
He was cut off from any reinforcements or resupply and the mage storms were slowly but surely dooming him, his men, and the people of Hardorn. His only agent in Valdemar was an artist who had no access to anything that would\\\'ve been able to confirm or deny the idea that the Valdemarians were causing the mage storms. Yes, he would have known that they were being affected by them as well, but it\\\'s well established that Valdemar is also weathering the storms much better than Tremaine\\\'s forces in Hardorn because Valdemar was much less reliant on magic in the first place, which makes it not unreasonable to believe that they\\\'re willing to damage themselves a little in order to damage their enemies a lot.
\\\"Had the situation in Mage Storms been reversed and the Valdemarans had believed that the storm was an attack by Hardorn, their response would almost certainly not have involved an assassination.\\\"
Like when their response to Hardorn throwing magic and mage-bound troops at them wasn\\\'t to assassinate the king of Hardorn and his two chief mages? Oh, wait. That\\\'s exactly what they did, which is why I called it hypocritical of them to condemn Tremaine\\\'s actions in the first place. Yes, they had more confirmation than Tremaine did, but that doesn\\\'t make Tremaine\\\'s belief unreasonable. The mage storms were something utterly alien to him, and he had \\\'\\\'no\\\'\\\' reason to believe that it was a natural phenomena, and \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of reason (if circumstantial) that Valdemar was behind it.
Anyway, that\\\'s largely beside the point. Both parties were doing what they thought was best for their troops and their people out of the purest of motives, and Tremaine is genuinely remorseful for the mistake he made -- all of which the Alliance knew through his truth-spelled interrogations. And yet they came within a hairsbreadth of rejecting his alliance (it\\\'s implied that Solaris and Karal-via-Altra both nearly decided to \\\'\\\'kill\\\'\\\' him) for doing... exactly what they did to Ancar/Hulda/Falconsbane: striking at a perceived threat to their country and their people.
Again, if {{Hypocrite}} isn\\\'t the right trope, what would you use instead? DoubleStandard? (It\\\'s okay for Valdemar to assassinate threats from Hardorn, but not for Hardorn to assassinate threats from Valdemar.) ProtagonistCenteredMorality? (It\\\'s okay for the heroes to assassinate someone they hate, but not okay for an AntiVillain to assassinate someone they like.) MoralMyopia? (It\\\'s okay to assassinate people, as long as it\\\'s not the heroes\\\' friends.)
There\\\'s \\\'\\\'very clearly\\\'\\\' some moral dissonance going on with the situation. No one tells Tremaine \\\"we wouldn\\\'t have minded if we were actually the cause of the mage storms, but you killed an innocent man\\\" they say \\\"you killed a friend of mine, you bastard\\\" -- while the more honest ones, at least, admit that they \\\'\\\'can\\\'t say they wouldn\\\'t have done the same thing\\\'\\\' if they were in Tremaine\\\'s shoes. But they still distrust him for it, he\\\'s still punished for it, and the narrative is still very clearly on the Valdemarians\\\' side about it.
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\\\"he can activate a sleeper assassin but he can\\\'t take the time to get an agent to confirm\\\"
He was cut off from any reinforcements or resupply and the mage storms were slowly but surely dooming him, his men, and the people of Hardorn. His only agent in Valdemar was an artist who had no access to anything that would\\\'ve been able to confirm or deny the idea that the Valdemarians were causing the mage storms. Yes, he would have known that they were being affected by them as well, but it\\\'s well established that Valdemar is also weathering the storms much better than Tremaine\\\'s forces in Hardorn because Valdemar was much less reliant on magic in the first place, which makes it not unreasonable to believe that they\\\'re willing to damage themselves a little in order to damage their enemies a lot.
\\\"Had the situation in Mage Storms been reversed and the Valdemarans had believed that the storm was an attack by Hardorn, their response would almost certainly not have involved an assassination.\\\"
Like when their response to Hardorn throwing magic and mage-bound troops at them wasn\\\'t to assassinate the king of Hardorn and his two chief mages? Oh, wait. That\\\'s exactly what they did, which is why I called it hypocritical of them to condemn Tremaine\\\'s actions in the first place. Yes, they had more confirmation than Tremaine did, but that doesn\\\'t make Tremaine\\\'s belief unreasonable. The mage storms were something utterly alien to him, and he had \\\'\\\'no\\\'\\\' reason to believe that it was a natural phenomena, and \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of reason (if circumstantial) that Valdemar was behind it.
Anyway, that\\\'s largely beside the point. Both parties were doing what they thought was best for their troops and their people out of the purest of motives, and Tremaine is genuinely remorseful for the mistake he made -- all of which the Alliance knew through his truth-spelled interrogations. And yet they came within a hairsbreadth of rejecting his alliance (it\\\'s implied that Solaris and Karal-via-Altra both nearly decided to \\\'\\\'kill\\\'\\\' him) for doing... exactly what they did to Ancar/Hulda/Falconsbane: striking at a perceived threat to their country and their people.
Again, if {{Hypocrite}} isn\\\'t the right trope, what would you use instead? DoubleStandard? (It\\\'s okay for Valdemar to assassinate threats from Hardorn, but nor Hardorn to assassinate threats from Valdemar.) ProtagonistCenteredMorality? (It\\\'s okay for the heroes to assassinate someone they hate, but not okay for an AntiVillain to assassinate someone they like.) MoralMyopia? (It\\\'s okay to assassinate people, as long as it\\\'s not the heroes\\\' friends.)
There\\\'s \\\'\\\'very clearly\\\'\\\' some moral dissonance going on with the situation. No one tells Tremaine \\\"we wouldn\\\'t have minded if we were actually the cause of the mage storms, but you killed an innocent man\\\" they say \\\"you killed a friend of mine, you bastard\\\" -- while the more honest ones, at least, admit that they \\\'\\\'can\\\'t say they wouldn\\\'t have done the same thing\\\'\\\' if they were in Tremaine\\\'s shoes. But they still distrust him for it, he\\\'s still punished for it, and the narrative is still very clearly on the Valdemarians\\\' side about it.
He was cut off from any reinforcements or resupply and the mage storms were slowly but surely dooming him, his men, and the people of Hardorn. His only agent in Valdemar was an artist who had no access to anything that would\\\'ve been able to confirm or deny the idea that the Valdemarians were causing the mage storms. Yes, he would have known that they were being affected by them as well, but it\\\'s well established that Valdemar is also weathering the storms much better than Tremaine\\\'s forces in Hardorn because Valdemar was much less reliant on magic in the first place, which makes it not unreasonable to believe that they\\\'re willing to damage themselves a little in order to damage their enemies a lot.
\\\"Had the situation in Mage Storms been reversed and the Valdemarans had believed that the storm was an attack by Hardorn, their response would almost certainly not have involved an assassination.\\\"
Like when their response to Hardorn throwing magic and mage-bound troops at them wasn\\\'t to assassinate the king of Hardorn and his two chief mages? Oh, wait. That\\\'s exactly what they did, which is why I called it hypocritical of them to condemn Tremaine\\\'s actions in the first place. Yes, they had more confirmation than Tremaine did, but that doesn\\\'t make Tremaine\\\'s belief unreasonable. The mage storms were something utterly alien to him, and he had \\\'\\\'no\\\'\\\' reason to believe that it was a natural phenomena, and \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of reason (if circumstantial) that Valdemar was behind it.
Anyway, that\\\'s largely beside the point. Both parties were doing what they thought was best for their troops and their people out of the purest of motives, and Tremaine is genuinely remorseful for the mistake he made -- all of which the Alliance knew through his truth-spelled interrogations. And yet they came within a hairsbreadth of rejecting his alliance (it\\\'s implied that Solaris and Karal-via-Altra both nearly decided to \\\'\\\'kill\\\'\\\' him) for doing... exactly what they did to Ancar/Hulda/Falconsbane: striking at a perceived threat to their country and their people.
Again, if {{Hypocrite}} isn\\\'t the right trope, what would you use instead? DoubleStandard? (It\\\'s okay for Valdemar to assassinate threats from Hardorn, but nor Hardorn to assassinate threats from Valdemar.) ProtagonistCenteredMorality? (It\\\'s okay for the heroes to assassinate someone they hate, but not okay for an AntiVillain to assassinate someone they like.) MoralMyopia? (It\\\'s okay to assassinate people, as long as it\\\'s not the heroes\\\' friends.)
There\\\'s \\\'\\\'very clearly\\\'\\\' some moral dissonance going on with the situation. No one tells Tremaine \\\"we wouldn\\\'t have minded if we were actually the cause of the mage storms, but you killed an innocent man\\\" they say \\\"you killed a friend of mine, you bastard\\\" -- while the more honest ones, at least, admit that they \\\'\\\'can\\\'t say they wouldn\\\'t have done the same thing\\\'\\\' if they were in Tremaine\\\'s shoes. But they still distrust him for it, he\\\'s still punished for it, and the narrative is still very clearly on the Valdemarians\\\' side about it.
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\\\"he can activate a sleeper assassin but he can\\\'t take the time to get an agent to confirm\\\"
He was cut off from any reinforcements or resupply and the mage storms were slowly but surely dooming him, his men, and the people of Hardorn. His only agent in Valdemar was an artist who had no access to anything that would\\\'ve been able to confirm or deny the idea that the Valdemarians were causing the mage storms. Yes, he would have known that they were being affected by them as well, but it\\\'s well established that Valdemar is also weathering the storms much better than Tremaine\\\'s forces in Hardorn because Valdemar was much less reliant on magic in the first place, which makes it not unreasonable to believe that they\\\'re willing to damage themselves a little in order to damage their enemies a lot.
\\\"Had the situation in Mage Storms been reversed and the Valdemarans had believed that the storm was an attack by Hardorn, their response would almost certainly not have involved an assassination.\\\"
Like when their response to Hardorn throwing magic and mage-bound troops at them wasn\\\'t to assassinate the king of Hardorn and his two chief mages? Oh, wait. That\\\'s exactly what they did, which is why I called it hypocritical of them to condemn Tremaine\\\'s actions in the first place. Yes, they had more confirmation than Tremaine did, but that doesn\\\'t make Tremaine\\\'s belief unreasonable. The mage storms were something utterly alien to him, and he had \\\'\\\'no\\\'\\\' reason to believe that it was a natural phenomena, and \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of reason (if circumstantial) that Valdemar was behind it.
Anyway, that\\\'s largely beside the point. Both parties were doing what they thought was best for their troops and their people out of the purest of motives, and Tremaine is genuinely remorseful for the mistake he made -- all of which the Alliance knew through his truth-spelled interrogations. And yet they came within a hairsbreadth of rejecting his alliance (it\\\'s implied that Solaris and Karal-through-Altra both nearly decided to \\\'\\\'kill\\\'\\\' him) for doing... exactly what they did to Ancar/Hulda/Falconsbane: striking at a perceived threat to their country and their people.
Again, if {{Hypocrite}} isn\\\'t the right trope, what would you use instead? DoubleStandard? (It\\\'s okay for Valdemar to assassinate threats from Hardorn, but nor Hardorn to assassinate threats from Valdemar.) ProtagonistCenteredMorality? (It\\\'s okay for the heroes to assassinate someone they hate, but not okay for an AntiVillain to assassinate someone they like.) MoralMyopia? (It\\\'s okay to assassinate people, as long as it\\\'s not the heroes\\\' friends.)
There\\\'s \\\'\\\'very clearly\\\'\\\' some moral dissonance going on with the situation. No one tells Tremaine \\\"we wouldn\\\'t have minded if we were actually the cause of the mage storms, but you killed an innocent man\\\" they say \\\"you killed a friend of mine, you bastard\\\" -- while the more honest ones, at least, admit that they \\\'\\\'can\\\'t say they wouldn\\\'t have done the same thing\\\'\\\' if they were in Tremaine\\\'s shoes. But they still distrust him for it, he\\\'s still punished for it, and the narrative is still very clearly on the Valdemarians\\\' side about it.
He was cut off from any reinforcements or resupply and the mage storms were slowly but surely dooming him, his men, and the people of Hardorn. His only agent in Valdemar was an artist who had no access to anything that would\\\'ve been able to confirm or deny the idea that the Valdemarians were causing the mage storms. Yes, he would have known that they were being affected by them as well, but it\\\'s well established that Valdemar is also weathering the storms much better than Tremaine\\\'s forces in Hardorn because Valdemar was much less reliant on magic in the first place, which makes it not unreasonable to believe that they\\\'re willing to damage themselves a little in order to damage their enemies a lot.
\\\"Had the situation in Mage Storms been reversed and the Valdemarans had believed that the storm was an attack by Hardorn, their response would almost certainly not have involved an assassination.\\\"
Like when their response to Hardorn throwing magic and mage-bound troops at them wasn\\\'t to assassinate the king of Hardorn and his two chief mages? Oh, wait. That\\\'s exactly what they did, which is why I called it hypocritical of them to condemn Tremaine\\\'s actions in the first place. Yes, they had more confirmation than Tremaine did, but that doesn\\\'t make Tremaine\\\'s belief unreasonable. The mage storms were something utterly alien to him, and he had \\\'\\\'no\\\'\\\' reason to believe that it was a natural phenomena, and \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of reason (if circumstantial) that Valdemar was behind it.
Anyway, that\\\'s largely beside the point. Both parties were doing what they thought was best for their troops and their people out of the purest of motives, and Tremaine is genuinely remorseful for the mistake he made -- all of which the Alliance knew through his truth-spelled interrogations. And yet they came within a hairsbreadth of rejecting his alliance (it\\\'s implied that Solaris and Karal-through-Altra both nearly decided to \\\'\\\'kill\\\'\\\' him) for doing... exactly what they did to Ancar/Hulda/Falconsbane: striking at a perceived threat to their country and their people.
Again, if {{Hypocrite}} isn\\\'t the right trope, what would you use instead? DoubleStandard? (It\\\'s okay for Valdemar to assassinate threats from Hardorn, but nor Hardorn to assassinate threats from Valdemar.) ProtagonistCenteredMorality? (It\\\'s okay for the heroes to assassinate someone they hate, but not okay for an AntiVillain to assassinate someone they like.) MoralMyopia? (It\\\'s okay to assassinate people, as long as it\\\'s not the heroes\\\' friends.)
There\\\'s \\\'\\\'very clearly\\\'\\\' some moral dissonance going on with the situation. No one tells Tremaine \\\"we wouldn\\\'t have minded if we were actually the cause of the mage storms, but you killed an innocent man\\\" they say \\\"you killed a friend of mine, you bastard\\\" -- while the more honest ones, at least, admit that they \\\'\\\'can\\\'t say they wouldn\\\'t have done the same thing\\\'\\\' if they were in Tremaine\\\'s shoes. But they still distrust him for it, he\\\'s still punished for it, and the narrative is still very clearly on the Valdemarians\\\' side about it.
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\\\"he can activate a sleeper assassin but he can\\\'t take the time to get an agent to confirm\\\"
He was cut off from any reinforcements or resupply and the mage storms were slowly but surely dooming him, his men, and the people of Hardorn. His only agent in Valdemar was an artist who had no access to anything that would\\\'ve been able to confirm or deny the idea that the Valdemarians were causing the mage storms. Yes, he would have known that they were being affected by them as well, but it\\\'s well established that Valdemar is also weathering the storms much better than Tremaine\\\'s forces in Hardorn because Valdemar wase much less reliant on magic in the first place, which makes it not unreasonable to believe that they\\\'re willing to damage themselves a little in order to damage their enemies a lot.
\\\"Had the situation in Mage Storms been reversed and the Valdemarans had believed that the storm was an attack by Hardorn, their response would almost certainly not have involved an assassination.\\\"
Like when their response to Hardorn throwing magic and mage-bound troops at them wasn\\\'t to assassinate the king of Hardorn and his two chief mages? Oh, wait. That\\\'s exactly what they did, which is why I called it hypocritical of them to condemn Tremaine\\\'s actions in the first place. Yes, they had more confirmation than Tremaine did, but that doesn\\\'t make Tremaine\\\'s belief unreasonable. The mage storms were something utterly alien to him, and he had \\\'\\\'no\\\'\\\' reason to believe that it was a natural phenomena, and \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of reason (if circumstantial) that Valdemar was behind it.
Anyway, that\\\'s largely beside the point. Both parties were doing what they thought was best for their troops and their people out of the purest of motives, and Tremaine is genuinely remorseful for the mistake he made -- all of which the Alliance knew through his truth-spelled interrogations. And yet they came within a hairsbreadth of rejecting his alliance (it\\\'s implied that Solaris and Karal-through-Altra both nearly decided to \\\'\\\'kill\\\'\\\' him) for doing... exactly what they did to Ancar/Hulda/Falconsbane: striking at a perceived threat to their country and their people.
Again, if {{Hypocrite}} isn\\\'t the right trope, what would you use instead? DoubleStandard? (It\\\'s okay for Valdemar to assassinate threats from Hardorn, but nor Hardorn to assassinate threats from Valdemar.) ProtagonistCenteredMorality? (It\\\'s okay for the heroes to assassinate someone they hate, but not okay for an AntiVillain to assassinate someone they like.) MoralMyopia? (It\\\'s okay to assassinate people, as long as it\\\'s not the heroes\\\' friends.)
There\\\'s \\\'\\\'very clearly\\\'\\\' some moral dissonance going on with the situation. No one tells Tremaine \\\"we wouldn\\\'t have minded if we were actually the cause of the mage storms, but you killed an innocent man\\\" they say \\\"you killed a friend of mine, you bastard\\\" -- while the more honest ones, at least, admit that they \\\'\\\'can\\\'t say they wouldn\\\'t have done the same thing\\\'\\\' if they were in Tremaine\\\'s shoes. But they still distrust him for it, he\\\'s still punished for it, and the narrative is still very clearly on the Valdemarians\\\' side about it.
He was cut off from any reinforcements or resupply and the mage storms were slowly but surely dooming him, his men, and the people of Hardorn. His only agent in Valdemar was an artist who had no access to anything that would\\\'ve been able to confirm or deny the idea that the Valdemarians were causing the mage storms. Yes, he would have known that they were being affected by them as well, but it\\\'s well established that Valdemar is also weathering the storms much better than Tremaine\\\'s forces in Hardorn because Valdemar wase much less reliant on magic in the first place, which makes it not unreasonable to believe that they\\\'re willing to damage themselves a little in order to damage their enemies a lot.
\\\"Had the situation in Mage Storms been reversed and the Valdemarans had believed that the storm was an attack by Hardorn, their response would almost certainly not have involved an assassination.\\\"
Like when their response to Hardorn throwing magic and mage-bound troops at them wasn\\\'t to assassinate the king of Hardorn and his two chief mages? Oh, wait. That\\\'s exactly what they did, which is why I called it hypocritical of them to condemn Tremaine\\\'s actions in the first place. Yes, they had more confirmation than Tremaine did, but that doesn\\\'t make Tremaine\\\'s belief unreasonable. The mage storms were something utterly alien to him, and he had \\\'\\\'no\\\'\\\' reason to believe that it was a natural phenomena, and \\\'\\\'plenty\\\'\\\' of reason (if circumstantial) that Valdemar was behind it.
Anyway, that\\\'s largely beside the point. Both parties were doing what they thought was best for their troops and their people out of the purest of motives, and Tremaine is genuinely remorseful for the mistake he made -- all of which the Alliance knew through his truth-spelled interrogations. And yet they came within a hairsbreadth of rejecting his alliance (it\\\'s implied that Solaris and Karal-through-Altra both nearly decided to \\\'\\\'kill\\\'\\\' him) for doing... exactly what they did to Ancar/Hulda/Falconsbane: striking at a perceived threat to their country and their people.
Again, if {{Hypocrite}} isn\\\'t the right trope, what would you use instead? DoubleStandard? (It\\\'s okay for Valdemar to assassinate threats from Hardorn, but nor Hardorn to assassinate threats from Valdemar.) ProtagonistCenteredMorality? (It\\\'s okay for the heroes to assassinate someone they hate, but not okay for an AntiVillain to assassinate someone they like.) MoralMyopia? (It\\\'s okay to assassinate people, as long as it\\\'s not the heroes\\\' friends.)
There\\\'s \\\'\\\'very clearly\\\'\\\' some moral dissonance going on with the situation. No one tells Tremaine \\\"we wouldn\\\'t have minded if we were actually the cause of the mage storms, but you killed an innocent man\\\" they say \\\"you killed a friend of mine, you bastard\\\" -- while the more honest ones, at least, admit that they \\\'\\\'can\\\'t say they wouldn\\\'t have done the same thing\\\'\\\' if they were in Tremaine\\\'s shoes. But they still distrust him for it, he\\\'s still punished for it, and the narrative is still very clearly on the Valdemarians\\\' side about it.
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Would it be kosher to add fan-made Game Grumps Animateds to the Moments lists? Because I found [[this http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=omLve_vezbA#!]] very-well done Source Filmmaker short. Everything from the animation to the imagery and soundtrack makes it one of the best GGAs I\'ve ever seen and I could see this being on the Awesome Moments sub-page, but I\'m not sure whether that\'s exclusively for Game Grumps itself or we can squeeze fan actions in there as well.
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Would it be kosher to add fan-made Game Grumps Animateds to the Moments lists? Because I found this (Linked at bottom) very-well done Source Filmmaker short. Everything from the animation to the imagery and soundtrack makes it one of the best GGAs I\\\'ve ever seen and I could see this being on the Awesome Moments sub-page, but I\\\'m not sure whether that\\\'s exclusively for Game Grumps itself or we can squeeze fan actions in there as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=omLve_vezbA#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=omLve_vezbA#!
