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* [[Series/TheSopranos Tony Soprano]] is a con artist, a thug, a womanizer, a thief, a murderer, an extortionist, and an adulterer - and yet somehow it\\\'s nearly impossible not to sympathize with him. The only things separating him from a VillainProtagonist are his genuine love for his family, kindness to his friends, and occasional pangs of guilt and moments of vulnerability. Oh, and the fact that his friends (and enemies) are even worse than he is.
* [[Series/{{Dexter}} Dexter Morgan]] is at the far, dark end of this to the point where he could fairly be considered simply a likeable VillainProtagonist, being a SerialKiller who is [[strike: moral]] clever enough to restrict his victims to other evildoers.
** Which, ultimately, just makes him a vigilante rather than much of a serial killer. Though that [[IncrediblyLamePun cuts both ways.]]
* Walter White of \\\'\\\'Series/BreakingBad\\\'\\\', in addition to being a Type III AntiVillain. He works his way down the sliding scale as the show progresses, until he becomes a definite Type V by the fourth season. What keeps him from being a pure villain is the fact that many of the drug dealers he faces, including Tuco and Gus, are much worse than him. In the fifth season, however, he becomes a full-blown VillainProtagonist.
* The eponymous biker gang of \\\'\\\'SonsOfAnarchy\\\'\\\' with the possible exceptions of Jax and Opie who are more Type IV and the definite exceptions of Clay and Gemma who are outright [[VillainProtagonist Villain Protgonists]], especially in Season 4
* J.R. Ewing of \\\'\\\'{{Dallas}}\\\'\\\' could probably be best categorized as this, although he has moments of being both Type IV and just a plain villain.
* Bernard Black of \\\'\\\'BlackBooks\\\'\\\'.
* [[JerkAss Reese]], [[TheSociopath Francis]], and [[ControlFreak Lois]] from MalcolmInTheMiddle.
* Malcolm Tucker of \\\'\\\'TheThickOfIt\\\'\\\' is a Type V for the most part, treading a fine line and occasionally crossing it during his more VillainProtagonist moments.
** In TheMovie, \\\'\\\'InTheLoop\\\'\\\', Malcolm is more of a full-on VillainProtagonist: he starts off as a Type V AntiHero primarily because his antagonist, Linton Barwick, is a CompleteMonster. By the end of the film he has become an unsympathetic villain.
* [[{{Blackadder}} Edmund Blackadder]] in his first, second and fourth itierations (although the fourth one could be a Type IV at better moments, being the best of the lot). The third Blackadder is more of an outright VillainProtagonist.
* Nucky Thompson of \\\'\\\'BoardwalkEmpire\\\'\\\', initially, though after his [[spoiler:murder of Jimmy Darmody]], he jumps solidly to VillainProtagonist territory.
* Tony Stonem from \\\'\\\'Series/{{Skins}}\\\'\\\', at least in the first season.
* Guerrero of \\\'\\\'HumanTarget\\\'\\\'.
* [[NobleDemon Spike]] from \\\'\\\'BuffyTheVampireSlayer\\\'\\\'. He later transitions to a Type IV.
* George Sr., GOB, and especially Lucille from \\\'\\\'Series/ArrestedDevelopment\\\'\\\' all fit here. They are clearly self-centered, show general apathy towards the lower class, and often attempt to maintain their power within the family.
** Lindsay is either this or a strong Type IV. She\\\'s generally self-centered and shallow as well, though she also has her PetTheDog moments, due to her low self-esteem.
* Ankh from KamenRiderOOO. He\\\'s only helping Eiji against the other Greeed because it\\\'s in his own best interests, and has no qualms about who is hurt so long as he gets what he wants. [[spoiler:Gradually becomes Type II in the end.]]
* [[NobleDemon Jade]] from \\\'\\\'{{Victorious}}\\\'\\\'.
* Although in most adaptations and in the original books Sherlock Holmes is, if not a straight hero, at least closer to the top of the Anti-Hero scale, in the [[Series/{{Sherlock}} 2010 BBC modernization]] Sherlock is a self-proclaimed [[HeroicSociopath Sociopath]] although he prefaces that moniker with \\\"High-Functioning\\\" as opposed to \\\"Heroic.\\\" In fact, in a conversation with Dr. Watson, Sherlock says, \\\"Don\\\'t make people into heroes, John. Heroes don\\\'t exist, and if they did, I wouldn\\\'t be one of them,\\\" showing not only that his motivations are not those of a typical straight hero, but also that he has a very cynical worldview.
* Father Jack Hackett in \\\'\\\'FatherTed\\\'\\\' is a violent, selfish, perverted alcoholic and flashbacks suggest he was once a bullying fire and brimstone preacher and a paedophile. The only thing keeping him from being a villain protagonist is that his alcoholism usually renders him to docile to harm anyone. And sometimes it does the exact opposite.
* After joining the crew of Moya, \\\'\\\'Series/{{Farscape}}\\\'s\\\'\\\' Scorpius generally straddles the line between Type V and AntiVillain, possibly rising as high as Type IV AntiHero at his best. As always, he\\\'s ruthless, calculating and cold-hearted, but he\\\'s also fiercely dedicated to protecting Crichton- which usually means that he\\\'s also prepared to protect the other members of the crew just to keep the defences stable.
* Child prostitute Annie in \\\'\\\'Series/{{Copper}}\\\'\\\' is either this or a Type II AntiVillain.

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* StoneColdSteveAustin in 1997. Although the [[FaceHeelTurn double turn]] between him and BretHart made him firmly a face in the fans\\\' eyes, he retained all of the aspects that made him a heel, to the point where some fans thought he was just a DesignatedHero. He beat up people who tried to help him, [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown smashed Bret Hart\\\'s leg into oblivion with a chair and then hijacked an ambulance to beat him up some more]] and generally acted like a massive JerkAss to everyone. After he broke his neck, he went through a brief period where he nearly crossed the line between Type V and VillainProtagonist, making a hitlist for the top three authority figures in the WWF - JimRoss (head of talent relations), Sgt. Slaughter (commissioner), and VinceMcMahon (the boss). They were all babyfaces and did nothing to cross the MoralEventHorizon - they were merely looking out for his safety (his stunner on JR was presented as a KickTheDog moment and he mercilessly mocked him for it afterwards). A similar angle where {{Vader}} beat up then-president Gorilla Monsoon had been done 18 months earlier to get Vader over as a [[CompleteMonster monster heel]], yet now is was being done by the top face! After Austin returned to competition, however, and Vince [=McMahon=] slowly became more evil, Austin became a Type IV, as he still didn\\\'t follow the rules, but wasn\\\'t as much of a JerkAss anymore. Since his retirement, he\\\'s become more of a HeroicSociopath.
* RandyOrton after his 2010 [[HeelfaceTurn face turn]] becomes this. Much like Austin above, he still acted as a heel and [[KickTheDog beats]] [[KickTheSonOfABitch up]] ([[FinishingMove sometimes]] [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown literally]]) anyone who gets in his way.
* Wrestler/{{Kane}} everytime he isn\\\'t heel.
* Wrestling/TheUndertaker

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* Pink from \\\'\\\'TheWall\\\'\\\' by Pink Floyd, though it\\\'s subverted. The whole point of the album seems to be about his achieving of redemption.
* Eminem\\\'s alter ego, Slim Shady, sits pretty solidly here, occasionally shifting to VillainProtagonist territory.

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* Voiree Misallo from \\\'\\\'8 Bit Gamers\\\'\\\' moves from Type V to IV to avoid going to hell after a religious experience and a genetic examination revealing her to be born with a semi-sociopathic defect. But the decision mostly has to do with wanting to avoid hell, keep her boyfriend and stay a {{True Companion|s}} with the crew she\\\'s joined.

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* Kratos, of \\\'\\\'VideoGame/GodOfWar\\\'\\\' - to the point that, particularly after the first game, many consider him an outright VillainProtagonist, even worse than the people (or gods) he\\\'s trying to kill.
* Caim from \\\'\\\'{{Drakengard}}\\\'\\\' is this in the first game.
** The only thing that made him \\\"heroic\\\" in the first place was the fact that he was fighting against an evil empire that was [[BlackAndGreyMorality even worse.]] Once they\\\'re defeated, he defaults back to [[KillEmAll RIP AND TEAR.]]
* Any given player character from the \\\'\\\'VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto\\\'\\\' series, though starting with \\\'\\\'[[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas San Andreas]]\\\'\\\' some have had Type IV tendencies.
* Alex Mercer from \\\'\\\'VideoGame/{{Prototype}}\\\'\\\'. [[spoiler:Or at least Blacklight-Mercer. Real Alex was a CompleteMonster.]]
** Arguably, Alex starts to drift into Type IV by the end, [[spoiler:considering he expresses [[IDidWhatIHadToDo fury and honest regret]] over having to kill so many [[SemperFi Marines]] to get to Taggart, but it was [[ItsTheOnlyWay the only way]] to stop Manhattan from being \\\'\\\'nuked\\\'\\\'. He also very nearly [[HeroicSacrifice gave up his own life]] to save Manhattan]]. In spite of that, though, Alex still won\\\'t be completely leaving this territory anytime soon, if ever.
*** [[spoiler: Goes to full villain in Prototype2, and dies as such]]
* Jack from \\\'\\\'VideoGame/MassEffect2\\\'\\\' has always no redeeming qualities. Having been kidnapped as a child to [[TykeBomb test genetic modifications]] that enhance her [[PsychicPowers biotic abilities]] by a human extremist groups, she\\\'s as messed up as one would expect. After escaping the research facility in her early teens by slaughtering the guards with her powers, her life became one long crime spree until [[SealedEvilInACan she ended up in a freezer]] on one of the galaxies most [[TheAlcatraz high security prison stations in outer space]], where someone was paying a fortune to keep her locked up. After freed, her first suggestion is to forget about the whole mission she was recruited for and instead use their state of the art stealth warship to become pirates.
** She gets interesting character development in the third game, where she has taken up a legitimate job as [[spoiler:a teacher in a school for teens and young adults with biotic powers to help them [[WithGreatPowersComesGratInsanity not ending up on a wrong track because of their superhuman powers]].]] She still curses like a sailor and yells at everyone half the time, but still seems to be very popular with the students.
** Zaeed Massani is a ruthless revenge obsessed merc on Commander Shepard\\\'s team. During his loyalty mission, he burns a refinery to the ground while callously disregarding the innocent lives trapped inside just to get revenge on another merc who screwed him over 20 years prior.
* [[NobleDemon Laharl]] from \\\'\\\'DisgaeaHourOfDarkness\\\'\\\' although he [[spoiler:maybe a Type III by the end.]] Etna, on the other hand, could fall into this category. She becomes a type IV after [[spoiler:she regains her memories.]] In her AlternateContinuity extra mode, this plot point does not occur [[spoiler:until the end,]] keeping her as a Type V throughout (or even a VillainProtagonist).
** [[MadScientist Mao]] from [[{{Disgaea3}} the third game]] fits into this category as well.
* Cole from \\\'\\\'VideoGame/InFamous\\\'\\\' if you decide to make him go the evil way.
** [[spoiler:To list just some of the things he does: He pumps extra mind control tar into the water system so he doesn\\\'t get some in his eyes, he randomly slaughters innocents for the fun of it (if you do it the right way), he lets himself get taken over by the insane woman that made the mind control tar in the first place and does whatever she tells him to willingly, he starts a riot next to some cops so they\\\'ll ignore him and focus on the rioters, he steals all the food in a food drop for three people (himself included), he activates the stupid thing that started the entire mess again, killing untold amounts of people for a little over a thousand XP, and, worst of all, he completely ignores the lesson Future Him gives him about the fact that a monster WAY stronger than him is coming so that he can turn the sky red and play around the city being a ruler boy.]]
* Kain of the LegacyOfKain series may be the [[spoiler:Scion of Balance destined to restore the Pillars and stop Nosgoth\\\'s downward spiral into a CrapsackWorld]], but do not mistake him for a nice guy. For starters, he is \\\'\\\'literally\\\'\\\' a megalomaniacal SociopathicHero, and enjoys killing anyone who gets in the way of his goals. He also doesn\\\'t have much of a problem with snacking on helpless prisoners. His intentions are pure, in the end, but his methods are pretty much indistinguishable from those of your average villain.
* Any character in a game with a KarmaMeter will usually be a Type V if played as a straight \\\"evil\\\" character, considering that most of them will have MoralEventHorizon-crossing and KickTheDog choices which will inevitably lead you to CompleteMonster status.
* In the first three \\\'\\\'VideoGame/{{Fallout}}\\\'\\\' games an evil player character could be seen as this, since you have the freedom to blow of civilian’s heads with absolutely zero provocation, enslave children and nuke entire cities. However, this is somewhat moderated by the main story pitting you against complete monsters who want to wipe out the vast majority of the remaining human race. With New Vegas Caesar’s Legion gives player the option of falling of the scale into full Villain protagonist territory as the bring the region under the grip of a nation of Complete Monsters who endorse rape, slavery, child molestation and murder for public entertainment.
** If the player listens to Caesar when invited to his camp, he states the reason why his tribe embodies the fullest extent of the Roman Empire was because of the failing of the NCR in emulating Western Civilization. That his tribe is only as vicious as the wasteland itself. It is also explained that Caesar plans to create Vegas as a capital for the wasteland, and given how traders are more protected in Legion territory and Raiders are non existent it\\\'s easy to see why some players would choose a Legionary playthrough.
** The Legion may protect caravans but the domestic situation they enforce is just as nightmarish as the wasteland. They flatout allow their soldiers to rape women (both Jimmy and Siri, a slave at his fort support this) and though he tries to hide it Caesar loves violence for its own sake. If you refuse to work for him Caesar will threaten to have you cut to pieces for his enjoyment and will scold you for lacking sadism if you try to relase Benny. He also sacked New Cannan, a peaceful community that was trying to help the Wasteland purely to get back at Joshua Graham. He also only wants to take over Vegas to change the Legion\\\'s structure from nomands to a centralized empire, and never expresses any desire to improve their morality, something wich his bloodthirst only supports.
* Demitri Maximoff from \\\'\\\'VideoGame/{{Darkstalkers}}\\\'\\\'. He only confronts PlanetEater Pyron and DarkMessiah Jedah because they are a threat to his plans in conquering the Makai, and treats everyone who aren\\\'t his servants with great disdain. His [[RyuAndKen counterpart rival]], Morrigan Aensland, shows more heroic tendencies than him, and she is a Type IV.
* Although by default Solid Snake from the Metal Gear series is a Level II if not Level III in \\\'\\\'VideoGame/MetalGearSolid\\\'\\\', it is heavily implied in the same game that he either came very close to crossing the boundary into Level V or was already in that territory in the present; Meryl, Psycho Mantis, and Liquid say that he enjoys combat and killing, with the second character telling him that he\\\'s far worse than Liquid, and by extension, himself, are. Mantis wanted to kill everyone he could, and that Liquid intended to invoke a warrior\\\'s paradise.
* Reaver from \\\'\\\'VideoGame/FableII\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'[[VideoGame/FableIII III]]\\\'\\\' dances on the line between this and being a CompleteMonster. He attempts to double cross the hero at least twice and only helps the hero because [[spoiler:the BigBad proceeds to double cross him when Reaver attempts to turn the hero over to him.]]
* Travis Touchdown is this in the first \\\'\\\'NoMoreHeroes\\\'\\\'. The only thing that makes him any kind of hero is that the rest of the assassins are sociopaths. In the second, character development made him better.
* Maleficent becomes one in \\\'\\\'VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII\\\'\\\', in that she\\\'s still evil and not \\\"good\\\" in any sense of the word, but is allied with the heroes in a common goal.
* Grom Hellscream and Illidan of \\\'\\\'VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}\\\'\\\': the first is an amoral BloodKnight and the other is a subject obsessed with demonic power.
* Wario from the \\\'\\\'SuperMarioBros\\\'\\\' series is willing to take on {{Evil Overlord}}s and the like, but only if there\\\'s treasure at the end of the road. Otherwise, he couldn\\\'t care less.
* Rouge and Omega, Shadow\\\'s alleged \\\"friends\\\" from SonicTheHedgehog, are this when they are at their worst. However, in some games, such as \\\'\\\'VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006\\\'\\\', they are probably closer to Type IV.
* Caleb from the \\\'\\\'VideoGame/{{Blood}}\\\'\\\' series spends the entirety of both games killing everything that moves. The only reason he\\\'s the good guy is that, [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential excluding a few mimes and other innocents]], everything that moves is part of the world-spanning [[ReligionOfEvil Cabal]].
* Cipher from \\\'\\\'{{Ace Combat Zero|TheBelkanWar}}\\\'\\\' on the Mercenary path. As opposed to Soldier, on this path he\\\'s willing to take out \\\'\\\'anything\\\'\\\' not specifically on his side, be it enemy combatants, disabled enemy units, or even civilians on occasion.
* Kokonoe from \\\'\\\'BlazBlue\\\'\\\' skirts on this and Type 3. She has a few soft spots here and there, but REALLY has no problems in nuking a whole city just so she can claim the frag of Terumi\\\'s head... never mind thousands and thousands of innocents who will die along the way.
* \\\'\\\'TheKingOfFighters\\\'\\\' main character Iori Yagami (introduced in 1995 as the rival of Kyo Kusanagi) plays this role for his series. A loner and a very angry and consumed character, he lives to see the defeat of Kyo and won\\\'t stop until that happens. He does do genuinely heroic things ([[TeethClenchedTeamwork even teaming up with Kyo]] when the situation warrants it) but only so that he can [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou resume thirsting for Kyo\\\'s blood]]. He has no friends and has attacked his own team members in the past (be it willingly or unwillingly when his Orochi blood goes out of control).
** Ash Crimson even more so. His first debut seemingly put him straight in VillainProtagonist as while he\\\'s considered the protagonist, his crafty but smug disposition as well as his actions to take over some of the Sacred Treasures for his own gain seems to genuinely make him an enemy of the other heroes. It wasn\\\'t until XIII that it\\\'s revealed that [[spoiler:he\\\'s planning to use that to stop the ultimate BigBad, his ancestor Saiki, from his plan, effectively creating a RetGone for himself.]]
* Alphonse Lohrer in \\\'\\\'TacticsOgre: Knight of Lodis\\\'\\\'
* Agent 47 of the VideoGame/{{Hitman}} series. For the most part, his targets are scumbags, but he\\\'ll strangle the life out of anyone just to make some money.


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