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It also doesn\'t help avoid the suggestion that people posting characters here think those characters are shallow when they use language like, \
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It also doesn\\\'t help avoid the suggestion that people posting characters here think those characters are shallow when they use language like, \\\"Of course she only functions as a love interest,\\\" instead of some simple statement of, \\\"The only woman in the story is the one involved in a romance with the main character,\\\" which would get across the same point without also dismissing out of hand everything the character does that isn\\\'t related to the romance plot. I don\\\'t disagree that there ought to be more female characters in media who aren\\\'t related to the men in some familial or intimate way; I mainly feel like the blur between meta and narrative function makes the name of the trope misleading. Self-made resonates very strongly to me for the backstory elements; the phrasing is so implicitly about the character\\\'s motivations and origin that making it about the meta under that name just seems counter-intuitive to me. Would something like Never Her Own Woman would be better? It doesn\\\'t have the past-tense shade that self-made does.
Actually, while we\\\'re talking about the trope description, the part about a career woman meeting a romantic interest and dropping out of the plot to concentrate on family or her relationship also feels kind of shoehorned in to me. It fits just fine if all you\\\'re doing is objectively looking at a female character\\\'s relationships with men, former OR current, but again the self-made term becomes misleading when divorced from the description of what got a woman to where she is--a woman can be entirely self-made and then fall prey to societal expectations about what she should do once she\\\'s met someone. As written, the second variation of the trope seems like it would fit more accurately under the FamilyVersusCareer umbrella. It\\\'s got a place here, absolutely, I just don\\\'t like it under the name it currently has.
Actually, while we\\\'re talking about the trope description, the part about a career woman meeting a romantic interest and dropping out of the plot to concentrate on family or her relationship also feels kind of shoehorned in to me. It fits just fine if all you\\\'re doing is objectively looking at a female character\\\'s relationships with men, former OR current, but again the self-made term becomes misleading when divorced from the description of what got a woman to where she is--a woman can be entirely self-made and then fall prey to societal expectations about what she should do once she\\\'s met someone. As written, the second variation of the trope seems like it would fit more accurately under the FamilyVersusCareer umbrella. It\\\'s got a place here, absolutely, I just don\\\'t like it under the name it currently has.
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It also doesn\'t help avoid the suggestion that people posting characters here think those characters are shallow when they use language like, \
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It also doesn\\\'t help avoid the suggestion that people posting characters here think those characters are shallow when they use language like, \\\"Of course she only functions as a love interest,\\\" instead of some simple statement of, \\\"The only woman in the story is the one involved in a romance with the main character,\\\" which would get across the same point without also dismissing out of hand everything the character does that isn\\\'t related to the romance plot. I don\\\'t disagree that there ought to be more female characters in media who aren\\\'t related to the men in some familial or intimate way; I mainly feel like the blur between meta and narrative function makes the name of the trope misleading. Self-made resonates very strongly to me for the backstory elements; the phrasing is so implicitly about the character\\\'s motivations and origin that making it about the meta under that name just seems counter-intuitive to me. Would something like Never Her Own Woman would be better? It doesn\\\'t have the past-tense shade that self-made does.
Actually, while we\\\'re talking about the trope description, the part about a career woman meeting a romantic interest and dropping out of the plot to concentrate on family or her relationship also feels kind of shoehorned in to me. It fits just fine if all you\\\'re doing is objectively looking at a female character\\\'s relationships with men, former OR current, but again the self-made term becomes misleading when divorced from the sense of what got a woman to where she is--a woman can be entirely self-made and then fall prey to societal expectations about what she should do once she\\\'s met someone. As written, the second variation of the trope seems like it would fit more accurately under the FamilyVersusCareer umbrella. It\\\'s got a place here, absolutely, I just don\\\'t like it under the name it currently has.
Actually, while we\\\'re talking about the trope description, the part about a career woman meeting a romantic interest and dropping out of the plot to concentrate on family or her relationship also feels kind of shoehorned in to me. It fits just fine if all you\\\'re doing is objectively looking at a female character\\\'s relationships with men, former OR current, but again the self-made term becomes misleading when divorced from the sense of what got a woman to where she is--a woman can be entirely self-made and then fall prey to societal expectations about what she should do once she\\\'s met someone. As written, the second variation of the trope seems like it would fit more accurately under the FamilyVersusCareer umbrella. It\\\'s got a place here, absolutely, I just don\\\'t like it under the name it currently has.
