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*I know that they have different personalities, it\'s the implication that she\'s totally out of control of her own actions that I took issue with. As Kirei and others said both in HF and UC, she\'s ultimately responsible for her actions. Although I did like her happy True End (and may someone [[BrainBleach please erase my memory of that]] [[DownerEnding Normal End]]) It always bugged me a bit that she\'d apparently eaten hundreds of people and suffered no consequences for it whatsoever. After all, if I, say, sleep walked and killed someone, there\'s still a decent chance I\'d go to jail for manslaughter even though it wasn\'t my conscious doing. A little bit off-topic but that whole quandary kind of bugged me, she certainly didn\'t \'\'deserve\'\' any big punishment, but at the same time the lack of any at all seemed off to me. Well, that\'s neither here nor there. In any event, this isn\'t that big an issue so I\'ll agree to disagree and leave it as it is, don\'t need to provoke any edit wars.
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*I know that they have different personalities, or rather, that it\\\'s the worst part of her personality that took over (similar to {{Tsukihime}}\\\'s Inversion Impulse), it\\\'s the implication that she\\\'s totally out of control of her own actions that I took issue with. As Kirei and others said both in HF and UC, she\\\'s ultimately responsible for her actions. Although I did like her happy True End (and may someone [[BrainBleach please erase my memory of that]] [[DownerEnding Normal End]]) It always bugged me a bit that she\\\'d apparently eaten hundreds of people and suffered no consequences for it whatsoever. After all, if I, say, sleep walked and killed someone, there\\\'s still a decent chance I\\\'d go to jail for manslaughter even though it wasn\\\'t my conscious doing. A little bit off-topic but that whole quandary kind of bugged me, she certainly didn\\\'t \\\'\\\'deserve\\\'\\\' any big punishment, but at the same time the lack of any at all seemed off to me. Well, that\\\'s neither here nor there. In any event, this isn\\\'t that big an issue so I\\\'ll agree to disagree and leave it as it is, don\\\'t need to provoke any edit wars.
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-->\\\"ok, we\\\'re going to spend this whole route saving and redeeming Sakura.\\\"
-->\\\"What about Saber? She ends up corrupted too.\\\"
-->\\\"She had a threesome in the first route, so she\\\'s shit out of luck. In fact, let\\\'s make the main character kill her to get Sakura!\\\"
*Saber\\\'s a bit like Akiha in {{Tsukihime}},[[spoiler: in that she had no really happy ending to her route, although it was made happier later on.]] You see a similar situation with the polls for Tsukihime, Akiha is usually in the top 2 or 3 with Arcueid and Hisui, but Kohaku [[spoiler: (who was partly responsible for what happened to Akiha)]] is consistently the lowest. She also has a ridiculous downer backstory similar to Sakura, so that might play a part as well.
*Speaking of the backstory, I disagree with you there. I don\\\'t think someone who has gone through domestic abuse that\\\'s even possible in the real world (unless there are actual evil rape worms that eat people, in which case I\\\'d rather not know) would be an ExtremeDoormat for acting how she did. After all, Nasu didn\\\'t pull that kind of character out of nowhere, there are actual people who deal with actual abuse in just such a fashion (including a rather close friend of mine). Partly due to that personal connection, I\\\'d rather you not downplay psychological or physical abuse as something that\\\'s inadequate. While there probably does have to be something bad in Sakura\\\'s backstory to make her the person that she is, my issue is with the degree--at some point, the degree will not make much difference in the response. If someone killed my parents, I\\\'d probably want revenge. I don\\\'t think I would want revenge any less than if they had killed my parents, burned my house down, raped my dog and occasionally appeared in front of me just to kick me in the shins and run off giggling. If anything, the extraordinary degree to which the Matou family and the world in general abuses Sakura makes it a bit hard to take seriously.
**Also, hair colors in an anime don\\\'t really need an explanation if they\\\'re not directly discussed. After all, no one mentions Rider, Lancer, Caster, or Shinji\\\'s hair colors at all, and there are some other cases of YouGottaHaveBlueHair that aren\\\'t magically involved at all (for instance, Himuro\\\'s hair is somewhere between grey and blue). Why couldn\\\'t it have been that she just dyed her hair (and wore contacts) as part of her response to the abuse? That\\\'s certainly not unprecedented.
**In addition, I\\\'m not talking about Fate/Zero here, I\\\'m talking about Unlimited Codes, Hollow Ataraxia, and the Manga in a universe known for AlternateContinuities, although arguably Fate/Zero can still make some sense if you replace a lot of the magical references with the genuine RealLife NightmareFuel they evoke. In the end, you\\\'re entitled to your opinion, but I strongly disagree that the torture is necessary for Sakura to make sense as a character.
Unfortunately, despite what I said before that still ended up being longer than I planned.
-->\\\"What about Saber? She ends up corrupted too.\\\"
-->\\\"She had a threesome in the first route, so she\\\'s shit out of luck. In fact, let\\\'s make the main character kill her to get Sakura!\\\"
*Saber\\\'s a bit like Akiha in {{Tsukihime}},[[spoiler: in that she had no really happy ending to her route, although it was made happier later on.]] You see a similar situation with the polls for Tsukihime, Akiha is usually in the top 2 or 3 with Arcueid and Hisui, but Kohaku [[spoiler: (who was partly responsible for what happened to Akiha)]] is consistently the lowest. She also has a ridiculous downer backstory similar to Sakura, so that might play a part as well.
*Speaking of the backstory, I disagree with you there. I don\\\'t think someone who has gone through domestic abuse that\\\'s even possible in the real world (unless there are actual evil rape worms that eat people, in which case I\\\'d rather not know) would be an ExtremeDoormat for acting how she did. After all, Nasu didn\\\'t pull that kind of character out of nowhere, there are actual people who deal with actual abuse in just such a fashion (including a rather close friend of mine). Partly due to that personal connection, I\\\'d rather you not downplay psychological or physical abuse as something that\\\'s inadequate. While there probably does have to be something bad in Sakura\\\'s backstory to make her the person that she is, my issue is with the degree--at some point, the degree will not make much difference in the response. If someone killed my parents, I\\\'d probably want revenge. I don\\\'t think I would want revenge any less than if they had killed my parents, burned my house down, raped my dog and occasionally appeared in front of me just to kick me in the shins and run off giggling. If anything, the extraordinary degree to which the Matou family and the world in general abuses Sakura makes it a bit hard to take seriously.
**Also, hair colors in an anime don\\\'t really need an explanation if they\\\'re not directly discussed. After all, no one mentions Rider, Lancer, Caster, or Shinji\\\'s hair colors at all, and there are some other cases of YouGottaHaveBlueHair that aren\\\'t magically involved at all (for instance, Himuro\\\'s hair is somewhere between grey and blue). Why couldn\\\'t it have been that she just dyed her hair (and wore contacts) as part of her response to the abuse? That\\\'s certainly not unprecedented.
**In addition, I\\\'m not talking about Fate/Zero here, I\\\'m talking about Unlimited Codes, Hollow Ataraxia, and the Manga in a universe known for AlternateContinuities, although arguably Fate/Zero can still make some sense if you replace a lot of the magical references with the genuine RealLife NightmareFuel they evoke. In the end, you\\\'re entitled to your opinion, but I strongly disagree that the torture is necessary for Sakura to make sense as a character.
Unfortunately, despite what I said before that still ended up being longer than I planned.
