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It is impossible. Don\'t forget, they have an advanced method of determining species and DNA (SOP and ID tags), so it is unlikely that they would have followed Zero\'s will of humanity being pawns because, since his DNA is that of a human, they\'d feel he was also a pawn. Even if they did accept his viewpoint, they\'d overthrow Zero and continue it while also offing Zero so to speak simply because he was a human and thus they have no reason to follow a pawn (think how the BB droids in KimPossible acted when Drakken made the mistake of both claiming that they were perfect and that their sole purpose was to obey him, or how Wesker essentially took Spencer\'s ideology and then promptly killed him specifically because he doesn\'t fit that ideology.). Heck, had I been someone who viewed humanity as pawns and thus tried to create AIs with powerful DNA-reading capabilities to control humanity by convincing them that they are nothing more than pawns, I would also fully anticipate the very possibility that the AIs will likewise either ignore my views because they can\'t conceive of following the will of someone whom DNA-wise is a \
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It is impossible. Don\\\'t forget, they have an advanced method of determining species and DNA (SOP and ID tags), so it is unlikely that they would have followed Zero\\\'s will of humanity being pawns because, since his DNA is that of a human, they\\\'d feel he was also a pawn. Even if they did accept his viewpoint, they\\\'d overthrow Zero and continue it while also offing Zero so to speak simply because he was a human and thus they have no reason to follow a pawn (think how the BB droids in KimPossible acted when Drakken made the mistake of both claiming that they were perfect and that their sole purpose was to obey him, or how Wesker essentially took Spencer\\\'s ideology and then promptly killed him specifically because he doesn\\\'t fit that ideology.). Heck, had I been someone who viewed humanity as pawns and thus tried to create AIs with powerful DNA-reading capabilities to control humanity by convincing them that they are nothing more than pawns, I would also fully anticipate the very possibility that the AIs will likewise either ignore my views because they can\\\'t conceive of following the will of someone whom DNA-wise is a \\\"pawn,\\\" or else backstab me, either kill me or otherwise usurp command while leaving me brainwashed like the other people, and take over my views of humanity being pawns because they view me, due to my being a human being DNA-wise, being unfit for commanding them.
Also, a program that repeats itself, and thus does not have free will, does not have the capacity to actually order people around, manipulate events in their favor, or any of that. Is my PC capable of, say, brainwashing the UN to vote for a PMC war-based economy? No, it is not capable of doing so without a person to do such a thing, and the AIs also implied that they were fully aware of the Shadow Moses Incident, and most of the founders were dead by that point, including the one responsible for their creation, Donald Anderson. They also wouldn\\\'t have the capacity to actually order Drebin around while we\\\'re at it, since they aren\\\'t advanced automated AIs. They can\\\'t be automated AIs or automated if they can only repeat themselves. That part alone blows holes into Big Boss\\\'s statement about their only being capable of repeating themselves. Also, they were also planning according to Naomi to subject the civilian population with mind control, meaning they also had autonomy. Note that she said \\\"they\\\" as in the Patriot AIs, not Zero, but the AIs planned to do so.
Also, an AI as advanced as the Patriots AIs would most likely have a way to correct themselves if they stumbled upon a glitch in a system and retain their original programming. They aren\\\'t like PCs.
On a related note, the fact that they actually mocked Raiden for his attempting to run away from his past in that speech only reinforces the fact that the Patriot AIs are of this trope, especially after the viral videos showing Raiden\\\'s past on the Rising website. had they not been complete monsters, they wouldn\\\'t have done such a thing. If anything, they would have been somewhat sympathetic. I mean, no person with even a shred of decency would blame Raiden for wanting to run away from his past after what we saw of it, yet not only did they did so, they mocked him. It\\\'s actually extremely sick, and goes far beyond JerkAss.
And as for Coldman, I don\\\'t buy it. If he truly believed that MAD does not work, and that the Soviets would use that fact to wipe out the United States, please explain why he made sure that Volgin would blow up the Sokolov Facility and thus nearly cause a Nuclear War just to off The Boss? Heck, he also implies that he didn\\\'t really care either way if MAD does work or not in his final speech before he died (which was likewise implied to be deliberate in order to ensure that he didn\\\'t leak the code). Also, his idea of perfect MAD was summed up as basically blowing up the planet. Honestly, did you see the final battle? He basically arranged for the nuclear launch false data to be leaked to NORAD upon Peace Walker\\\'s activation since at least before Zadornov backstabbed him.
And if we\\\'re going to claim that Coldman\\\'s not a complete monster simply because of that, then we might as well claim that Doctor Weil from MegaManZero is not a complete monster either, simply because he genuinely believed that taking away Reploids free will and punishing them would make the world a better place. See the problem?
Anyways, I informed a mod about it, ccoa, and he pretty much told me to take it back to the discussion. Besides, he\\\'s already acknowledged as one in-universe, so there\\\'s no other option but to add him back in. If it\\\'s acknowledged in-universe, then it doesn\\\'t matter what people want to state, as no one can refute in-universe citation. I can also assure you that there are other posters who believe that he is as well.
Also, a program that repeats itself, and thus does not have free will, does not have the capacity to actually order people around, manipulate events in their favor, or any of that. Is my PC capable of, say, brainwashing the UN to vote for a PMC war-based economy? No, it is not capable of doing so without a person to do such a thing, and the AIs also implied that they were fully aware of the Shadow Moses Incident, and most of the founders were dead by that point, including the one responsible for their creation, Donald Anderson. They also wouldn\\\'t have the capacity to actually order Drebin around while we\\\'re at it, since they aren\\\'t advanced automated AIs. They can\\\'t be automated AIs or automated if they can only repeat themselves. That part alone blows holes into Big Boss\\\'s statement about their only being capable of repeating themselves. Also, they were also planning according to Naomi to subject the civilian population with mind control, meaning they also had autonomy. Note that she said \\\"they\\\" as in the Patriot AIs, not Zero, but the AIs planned to do so.
Also, an AI as advanced as the Patriots AIs would most likely have a way to correct themselves if they stumbled upon a glitch in a system and retain their original programming. They aren\\\'t like PCs.
On a related note, the fact that they actually mocked Raiden for his attempting to run away from his past in that speech only reinforces the fact that the Patriot AIs are of this trope, especially after the viral videos showing Raiden\\\'s past on the Rising website. had they not been complete monsters, they wouldn\\\'t have done such a thing. If anything, they would have been somewhat sympathetic. I mean, no person with even a shred of decency would blame Raiden for wanting to run away from his past after what we saw of it, yet not only did they did so, they mocked him. It\\\'s actually extremely sick, and goes far beyond JerkAss.
And as for Coldman, I don\\\'t buy it. If he truly believed that MAD does not work, and that the Soviets would use that fact to wipe out the United States, please explain why he made sure that Volgin would blow up the Sokolov Facility and thus nearly cause a Nuclear War just to off The Boss? Heck, he also implies that he didn\\\'t really care either way if MAD does work or not in his final speech before he died (which was likewise implied to be deliberate in order to ensure that he didn\\\'t leak the code). Also, his idea of perfect MAD was summed up as basically blowing up the planet. Honestly, did you see the final battle? He basically arranged for the nuclear launch false data to be leaked to NORAD upon Peace Walker\\\'s activation since at least before Zadornov backstabbed him.
And if we\\\'re going to claim that Coldman\\\'s not a complete monster simply because of that, then we might as well claim that Doctor Weil from MegaManZero is not a complete monster either, simply because he genuinely believed that taking away Reploids free will and punishing them would make the world a better place. See the problem?
Anyways, I informed a mod about it, ccoa, and he pretty much told me to take it back to the discussion. Besides, he\\\'s already acknowledged as one in-universe, so there\\\'s no other option but to add him back in. If it\\\'s acknowledged in-universe, then it doesn\\\'t matter what people want to state, as no one can refute in-universe citation. I can also assure you that there are other posters who believe that he is as well.
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It is impossible. Don\'t forget, they have an advanced method of determining species and DNA (SOP and ID tags), so it is unlikely that they would have followed Zero\'s will of humanity being pawns because, since his DNA is that of a human, they\'d feel he was also a pawn. Even if they did accept his viewpoint, they\'d overthrow Zero and continue it while also offing Zero so to speak simply because he was a human and thus they have no reason to follow a pawn (think how the BB droids in KimPossible acted when Drakken made the mistake of both claiming that they were perfect and that their sole purpose was to obey him, or how Wesker essentially took Spencer\'s ideology and then promptly killed him specifically because he doesn\'t fit that ideology.)
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It is impossible. Don\\\'t forget, they have an advanced method of determining species and DNA (SOP and ID tags), so it is unlikely that they would have followed Zero\\\'s will of humanity being pawns because, since his DNA is that of a human, they\\\'d feel he was also a pawn. Even if they did accept his viewpoint, they\\\'d overthrow Zero and continue it while also offing Zero so to speak simply because he was a human and thus they have no reason to follow a pawn (think how the BB droids in KimPossible acted when Drakken made the mistake of both claiming that they were perfect and that their sole purpose was to obey him, or how Wesker essentially took Spencer\\\'s ideology and then promptly killed him specifically because he doesn\\\'t fit that ideology.). Heck, had I been someone who viewed humanity as pawns and thus tried to create AIs with powerful DNA-reading capabilities to control humanity by convincing them that they are nothing more than pawns, I would also fully anticipate the very possibility that the AIs will likewise either ignore my views because they can\\\'t conceive of following the will of someone whom DNA-wise is a \\\"pawn,\\\" or else backstab me and take over my views of humanity being pawns because they view me, due to my being a human being DNA-wise, being unfit for commanding them.
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Also, a program that repeats itself, and thus does not have free will, does not have the capacity to actually order people around, manipulate events in their favor, or any of that. Is my PC capable of, say, brainwashing the UN to vote for a PMC war-based economy? No, it is not capable of doing so without a person to do such a thing, and the AIs also implied that they were fully aware of the Shadow Moses Incident, and most of the founders were dead by that point, including the one responsible for their creation, Donald Anderson. They also wouldn\'t have the capacity to actually order Drebin around while we\'re at it, since they aren\'t advanced automated AIs. They can\'t be automated AIs or automated if they can only repeat themselves. That part alone blows holes into Big Boss\'s statement about their only being capable of repeating themselves. Also, they were also planning according to Naomi to subject the civilian population with mind control, meaning they also had autonomy. Note that she said \
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Also, a program that repeats itself, and thus does not have free will, does not have the capacity to actually order people around, manipulate events in their favor, or any of that. Is my PC capable of, say, brainwashing the UN to vote for a PMC war-based economy? No, it is not capable of doing so without a person to do such a thing, and the AIs also implied that they were fully aware of the Shadow Moses Incident, and most of the founders were dead by that point, including the one responsible for their creation, Donald Anderson. They also wouldn\\\'t have the capacity to actually order Drebin around while we\\\'re at it, since they aren\\\'t advanced automated AIs. They can\\\'t be automated AIs or automated if they can only repeat themselves. That part alone blows holes into Big Boss\\\'s statement about their only being capable of repeating themselves. Also, they were also planning according to Naomi to subject the civilian population with mind control, meaning they also had autonomy. Note that she said \\\"they\\\" as in the Patriot AIs, not Zero, but the AIs planned to do so.
Also, an AI as advanced as the Patriots AIs would most likely have a way to correct themselves if they stumbled upon a glitch in a system and retain their original programming. They aren\\\'t like PCs.
On a related note, the fact that they actually mocked Raiden for his attempting to run away from his past in that speech only reinforces the fact that the Patriot AIs are of this trope, especially after the viral videos showing Raiden\\\'s past on the Rising website. had they not been complete monsters, they wouldn\\\'t have done such a thing. If anything, they would have been somewhat sympathetic. I mean, no person with even a shred of decency would blame Raiden for wanting to run away from his past after what we saw of it, yet not only did they did so, they mocked him. It\\\'s actually extremely sick, and goes far beyond JerkAss.
And as for Coldman, I don\\\'t buy it. If he truly believed that MAD does not work, and that the Soviets would use that fact to wipe out the United States, please explain why he made sure that Volgin would blow up the Sokolov Facility and thus nearly cause a Nuclear War just to off The Boss? Heck, he also implies that he didn\\\'t really care either way if MAD does work or not in his final speech before he died (which was likewise implied to be deliberate in order to ensure that he didn\\\'t leak the code). Also, his idea of perfect MAD was summed up as basically blowing up the planet. Honestly, did you see the final battle? He basically arranged for the nuclear launch false data to be leaked to NORAD upon Peace Walker\\\'s activation since at least before Zadornov backstabbed him.
And if we\\\'re going to claim that Coldman\\\'s not a complete monster simply because of that, then we might as well claim that Doctor Weil from MegaManZero is not a complete monster either, simply because he genuinely believed that taking away Reploids free will and punishing them would make the world a better place. See the problem?
Anyways, I informed a mod about it, ccoa, and he pretty much told me to take it back to the discussion. Besides, he\\\'s already acknowledged as one in-universe, so there\\\'s no other option but to add him back in. If it\\\'s acknowledged in-universe, then it doesn\\\'t matter what people want to state, as no one can refute in-universe citation. I can also assure you that there are other posters who believe that he is as well.
Also, an AI as advanced as the Patriots AIs would most likely have a way to correct themselves if they stumbled upon a glitch in a system and retain their original programming. They aren\\\'t like PCs.
On a related note, the fact that they actually mocked Raiden for his attempting to run away from his past in that speech only reinforces the fact that the Patriot AIs are of this trope, especially after the viral videos showing Raiden\\\'s past on the Rising website. had they not been complete monsters, they wouldn\\\'t have done such a thing. If anything, they would have been somewhat sympathetic. I mean, no person with even a shred of decency would blame Raiden for wanting to run away from his past after what we saw of it, yet not only did they did so, they mocked him. It\\\'s actually extremely sick, and goes far beyond JerkAss.
And as for Coldman, I don\\\'t buy it. If he truly believed that MAD does not work, and that the Soviets would use that fact to wipe out the United States, please explain why he made sure that Volgin would blow up the Sokolov Facility and thus nearly cause a Nuclear War just to off The Boss? Heck, he also implies that he didn\\\'t really care either way if MAD does work or not in his final speech before he died (which was likewise implied to be deliberate in order to ensure that he didn\\\'t leak the code). Also, his idea of perfect MAD was summed up as basically blowing up the planet. Honestly, did you see the final battle? He basically arranged for the nuclear launch false data to be leaked to NORAD upon Peace Walker\\\'s activation since at least before Zadornov backstabbed him.
And if we\\\'re going to claim that Coldman\\\'s not a complete monster simply because of that, then we might as well claim that Doctor Weil from MegaManZero is not a complete monster either, simply because he genuinely believed that taking away Reploids free will and punishing them would make the world a better place. See the problem?
Anyways, I informed a mod about it, ccoa, and he pretty much told me to take it back to the discussion. Besides, he\\\'s already acknowledged as one in-universe, so there\\\'s no other option but to add him back in. If it\\\'s acknowledged in-universe, then it doesn\\\'t matter what people want to state, as no one can refute in-universe citation. I can also assure you that there are other posters who believe that he is as well.
