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ManwiththePlan
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Look, people may try to argue otherwise, but I still think the Misaltron Gym plot, particularly in the \
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Look, people may try to argue otherwise, but I still think the Misaltron Gym plot, particularly in the \\\"Cilan Takes Flight\\\" episode (which was a \\\'\\\'terribly written\\\'\\\' episode), was a total Wallbager.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she [[CharacterDerailment suddendly acted]] like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfied\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she [[CharacterDerailment suddendly acted]] like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfied\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
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Look, people may try to argue otherwise, but I still think the Misaltron Gym plot, particularly in the \
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Look, people may try to argue otherwise, but I still think the Misaltron Gym plot, particularly in the \\\"Cilan Takes Flight\\\" episode (which was a \\\'\\\'terribly written\\\'\\\' one), was a total Wallbager.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she [[CharacterDerailment suddendly acted]] like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfied\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she [[CharacterDerailment suddendly acted]] like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfied\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
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Look, people may try to argue otherwise, but I still think the Misaltron Gym plot, particularly in the \
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Look, people may try to argue otherwise, but I still think the Misaltron Gym plot, particularly in the \\\"Cilan Takes Flight\\\" episode, was a total Wallbager.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she [[CharacterDerailment suddendly acted]] like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfied\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she [[CharacterDerailment suddendly acted]] like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfied\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
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Look, people may try to argue otherwise, but I still think the Misaltron Gym plot, particularly in the \
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Look, people may try to argue otherwise, but I still think the Misaltron Gym plot, particularly in the \\\"Cilan Takes Flight\\\" episode, was a total Wallbager.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she [[CharacterDerailment suddendly acted]] like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfyed\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she [[CharacterDerailment suddendly acted]] like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfyed\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
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Look, people may try to argue otherwise, but I still think the Misaltron Gym plot, particularly in the \\\"Cilan Takes Flight\\\" episode, was a total Wallbager.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she acted like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfyed\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
\\\'\\\'Skyla didn\\\'t want to battle \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\', which is a different beast - she was giving out badges undeserved rather than taking potential challengers seriously.\\\'\\\'
I\\\'m not arguing that\\\'s not wrong, but there still had to be a better way to deal with this situation than just telling Skyla \\\"NO, your methods are WRONG, bitch! REAL battles are the only way to go! Badges shouldn\\\'t be given for free! How DARE you!\\\" Look, Skyla\\\'s thinking may be flawed, but she had good reasons for doing what she did: they oughta have tried a better way of compromising with her so she could make time for gym battles \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' flying planes. Or try to find when and when not an Air Battle is appopriate.
\\\'\\\'Cilan has brothers minding the Gym while he takes, essentially, a leave of absence to \\\'\\\'hone his skills and gain experience\\\'\\\' - if you want to criticise \\\'\\\'him\\\'\\\', then why don\\\'t you get on the case of Fantina (in Sinnoh) for [[RunningGag going out to train for long periods so much that challengers needed reservations and \\\"tickets\\\" to battle her]].\\\'\\\'
But what if someone (say, someone with a water pokemon) came to Striaton Gym looking to challenge Cilan only to find out he wasn\\\'t there? In fact, that\\\'s what happened with Cabernet! This doesn\\\'t make Cilan going out travelling and pursuing his hobbies bad, but it\\\'s still something Cilan oughta consider before he gets on his high horse and chews someone else out for doing something similar. And at least Fantina \\\'\\\'gave\\\'\\\' tickets!
\\\'\\\'Also, Cilan\\\'s \\\"smugness\\\" as you put it isn\\\'t different from several other Gym Leaders and trainers - the difference is that Skyla was using it to prove that challengers were beneath her and refusing to battle, while Cilan still \\\'\\\'did his duty as a Gym Leader in battling to the end\\\'\\\' - even if he was NotSoDifferent, he still had the moral high ground here.\\\'\\\'
First off, Skyla \\\'\\\'never\\\'\\\' came across as thinking her challengers were \\\"beneath her\\\". If her Air Battles determined the challenger was stronger, she was like \\\"Aw well, my loss. Here, the badge is yours.\\\" And if they determined the challenger was weaker, she\\\'d say they weren\\\'t skilled enough, as any Gym Leader would. It was only when someone got up in her face about her methods that she acted like a cocky JerkAss. And while she was certainly reprehensible, Cilan didn\\\'t have the moral high ground either: he was just behaving vindictive and immature.
\\\'\\\'As for Iris, it\\\'s not like she disagreed with Ash and Cilan - I\\\'d put her as [[OnlySaneWoman being a little baffled by how the guys were treating Gym matches as]] SeriousBusiness, but [[YMMV that\\\'s just me]].\\\'\\\'
But she barely spoke up about the situation or contributed to it \\\'\\\'at all\\\'\\\' when she should have at least \\\'\\\'tried!\\\'\\\' In fact, at one point, she even says she can see \\\'\\\'benefits\\\'\\\' in what Skyla is doing. And if there was ever a time where Iris should have called everyone involved a kid, it was this. And yet nothing. Iris got a total shaft here.
\\\'\\\'And finally, Mile came off as weary and tired more than satisfied - how can he do much when he\\\'s \\\'\\\'tried\\\'\\\' to tell her to change her ways but failed? Remember he was displeased to announce her victory over Cilan?\\\'\\\'
I never said he was \\\"satisfyed\\\": only that he was the only one initially willing to just let the whole thing go because he didn\\\'t see a point in trying to continue arguing with Skyla. He didn\\\'t LIKE what Skyla was doing (and really, why should he?) but he did consider that maybe her challengers were fine with it and he was just \\\"out of touch with today\\\'s kids\\\". So he was trying to be mature about it and let Skyla do her own thing no matter how misguided.
