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I\\\'m confused - the page says not to use the numbers any more, but all the examples are still filed under the numerical scale. Should they be moved? If so, where to?

Edit: Never mind, I found the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13172192580A66380100 special efforts thread]].

Irvine blows it during the same mission for the same reason, in a case that\\\'s been discussed in great detail on the Headscratchers page. He\\\'s assigned to assassinate the sorceress, who turns out to be the woman who raised him after he was orphaned. He acts flaky and difficult when he joins the team because of that and the fact that they are his childhood friends and don\\\'t seem to recognize him or their target; he fails to tell anyone about his conflict of interest regarding the mission and tries to psych himself up by asking if Edea is \\\"pure evil\\\" and whether or not it\\\'s true that [=SeeDs=] aren\\\'t supposed to question their mission (dialogue with Squall on the way to their post for the assassination), then breaks down completely once he\\\'s in position on the carousel clock and can\\\'t go through with it until Squall talks him down. Subsequently (and in a healthier example), he breaks with his orders at Rinoa\\\'s urging in order to return to the D-District Prison and help the [=SeeDs=] escape.

Squall\\\'s case is also related. Ellone was the catalyst for his decision to suppress his emotions, but [=SeeD=] is the model he used to base his image of a \\\"cool, tough, independent adult\\\" on. If he hadn\\\'t been enrolled in military training so early, it\\\'s possible he could have learned better coping mechanisms. There\\\'s also a bit of dialogue in Timber that highlights the issue for the [=SeeDs=] in general, when Squall tells Rinoa, and is backed up unquestioningly by whichever of Zell or Selphie is present, that as [=SeeDs=] they will follow her orders regardless of their feelings or the potential risk to their own life, an outlook which Rinoa justly finds very sad.

Irvine blows it during the same mission for the same reason, in a case that\\\'s been discussed in great detail on the Headscratchers page. He\\\'s assigned to assassinate the sorceress, who turns out to be the woman who raised him after he was orphaned. He acts flaky and difficult when he joins the team because of that and the fact that they are his childhood friends and don\\\'t seem to recognize him or their target; he fails to tell anyone about his conflict of interest regarding the mission and tries to psych himself up by asking if Edea is \\\"pure evil\\\" and whether or not it\\\'s true that [=SeeDs=] aren\\\'t supposed to question their mission (dialogue with Squall on the way to their post for the assassination), then breaks down completely once he\\\'s in position on the carousel clock and can\\\'t go through with it until Squall talks him down. Subsequently (and in a healthier example), he breaks with his orders at Rinoa\\\'s urging in order to return to the D-District Prison and help the [=SeeDs=] escape.

Squall\\\'s case is also related. Ellone was the catalyst for his decision to suppress his emotions, but [=SeeD=] is the model he used to base his image of a \\\"cool, tough, independent adult\\\" on. If he hadn\\\'t been enrolled in military training so early, it\\\'s possible he could have learned better coping mechanisms. There\\\'s also a bit of dialogue in Timber that highlights the issue for the [=SeeDs=] in general, when Squall tells Rinoa, and is backed up unquestioningly by whichever of Zell or Selphie is present, that as [=SeeDs=] they will follow her orders regardless of their feelings or the potential risk to their own life, an outlook which Rinoa justly finds very sad).

Irvine blows it during the same mission for the same reason, in a case that\\\'s been discussed in great detail on the Headscratchers page. He\\\'s assigned to assassinate the sorceress, who turns out to be the woman who raised him after he was orphaned. He acts flaky and difficult when he joins the team because of that and the fact that they are his childhood friends and don\\\'t seem to recognize him or their target; he fails to tell anyone about his conflict of interest regarding the mission and tries to psych himself up by asking if Edea is \\\"pure evil\\\" (dialogue with Squall on the way to their post for the assassination), then breaks down completely once he\\\'s in position on the carousel clock and can\\\'t go through with it until Squall talks him down. Subsequently (and in a healthier example), he breaks with his orders at Rinoa\\\'s urging in order to return to the D-District Prison and help the [=SeeDs=] escape.

Squall\\\'s case is also related. Ellone was the catalyst for his decision to suppress his emotions, but [=SeeD=] is the model he used to base his image of a \\\"cool, tough, independent adult\\\" on. If he hadn\\\'t been enrolled in military training so early, it\\\'s possible he could have learned better coping mechanisms.