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The line for when exactly the line is crossed (as opposed to the less ambiguous \
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The line for when exactly the line is crossed (as opposed to the less ambiguous \\\"completely amoral PsychoForHire villain played in a \\\"heroic\\\" role\\\" turns fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\\\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
Regardless, I rather like the current definition, or at least it was reasonably close and to the point:
\\\"Either lacking any heroic attributes whatsoever, or being so ridiculously extreme in their sadism, bloodthirst, ruthlessness, or even Disproportionate Retribution that any potential signs of genuine benevolence are near completely drowned out. Frequently they are classified as heroes only because they fight Complete Monsters and/ or Omnicidal Maniacs.\\\"
Regardless, I rather like the current definition, or at least it was reasonably close and to the point:
\\\"Either lacking any heroic attributes whatsoever, or being so ridiculously extreme in their sadism, bloodthirst, ruthlessness, or even Disproportionate Retribution that any potential signs of genuine benevolence are near completely drowned out. Frequently they are classified as heroes only because they fight Complete Monsters and/ or Omnicidal Maniacs.\\\"
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The line for when exactly the line is crossed (as opposed to the less ambiguous \
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The line for when exactly the line is crossed (as opposed to the less ambiguous \\\"completely amoral PsychoForHire villain played in a \\\"heroic\\\" role\\\" turns fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\\\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
Regardless, I rather like the current definition, or at least it was reasonably close and to the point:
\\\"Either lacking any heroic attributes whatsoever, or being so ridiculously extreme in their sadism, bloodthirst, ruthlessness, or even Disproportionate Retribution that any potential signs of genuine benevolence are near completely drowned out. Frequently they are classified as heroes only because they fight Complete Monsters and/ or Omnicidal Maniacs.\\\"
Regardless, I rather like the current definition, or at least it was reasonably close and to the point:
\\\"Either lacking any heroic attributes whatsoever, or being so ridiculously extreme in their sadism, bloodthirst, ruthlessness, or even Disproportionate Retribution that any potential signs of genuine benevolence are near completely drowned out. Frequently they are classified as heroes only because they fight Complete Monsters and/ or Omnicidal Maniacs.\\\"
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself, so DisproportionateRetribution or HighOctaneNightmareFuel is commonplace), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that it drowns out everything else and turns himself evil, simply considerably less so than his most extreme CompleteMonster adversaries... for whom his treatment actually can be argued as type IV... killing random drug-addicts definitely not, much less without due process involved. Anyway EvilVersusEvil is a part of the larger PayEvilUntoEvil area. The line for when exactly the line is crossed (as opposed to the less ambiguous \
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself, so DisproportionateRetribution or HighOctaneNightmareFuel is commonplace), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that it drowns out everything else and turns himself evil, simply considerably less so than his most extreme CompleteMonster adversaries... for whom his treatment actually can be argued as type IV... killing random drug-addicts definitely not, much less without due process involved. Anyway EvilVersusEvil is a part of the larger PayEvilUntoEvil area.
The line for when exactly the line is crossed (as opposed to the less ambiguous \\\"completely amoral PsychoForHire villain played in a \\\"heroic\\\" role\\\" turns fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\\\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
Regardless, I rather like the current definition, or at least it was reasonably close and to the point:
\\\"Either lacking any heroic attributes whatsoever, or being so ridiculously extreme in their sadism, bloodthirst, ruthlessness, or even DisproportionateRetribution that any potential signs of genuine benevolence are near completely drowned out. Frequently they are classified as heroes only because they fight CompleteMonsters and/ or OmnicidalManiacs.\\\"
The line for when exactly the line is crossed (as opposed to the less ambiguous \\\"completely amoral PsychoForHire villain played in a \\\"heroic\\\" role\\\" turns fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\\\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
Regardless, I rather like the current definition, or at least it was reasonably close and to the point:
\\\"Either lacking any heroic attributes whatsoever, or being so ridiculously extreme in their sadism, bloodthirst, ruthlessness, or even DisproportionateRetribution that any potential signs of genuine benevolence are near completely drowned out. Frequently they are classified as heroes only because they fight CompleteMonsters and/ or OmnicidalManiacs.\\\"
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself, so DisproportionateRetribution or HighOctaneNightmareFuel is commonplace), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that it drowns out everything else and turns himself evil, simply considerably less so than his most extreme CompleteMonster adversaries... for whom his treatment actually can be argued as \
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself, so DisproportionateRetribution or HighOctaneNightmareFuel is commonplace), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that it drowns out everything else and turns himself evil, simply considerably less so than his most extreme CompleteMonster adversaries... for whom his treatment actually can be argued as type IV... killing random drug-addicts definitely not, much less without due process involved. Anyway EvilVersusEvil is a part of the larger PayEvilUntoEvil area. The line for when exactly the line is crossed (as opposed to the less ambiguous \\\"completely amoral PsychoForHire villain played in a \\\"heroic\\\" role\\\" turns fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\\\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself, so DisproportionateRetribution or HighOctaneNightmareFuel is commonplace), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that it drowns out everything else and turns himself evil, simply considerably less so than his most extreme CompleteMonster adversaries... for whom his treatment actually can be argued as \
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself, so DisproportionateRetribution or HighOctaneNightmareFuel is commonplace), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that it drowns out everything else and turns himself evil, simply considerably less so than his most extreme CompleteMonster adversaries... for whom his treatment actually can be argued as \\\"warranted\\\" type IV... killing random drug-addicts definitely not, much less without due process involved. Anyway EvilVersusEvil is a part of the larger PayEvilUntoEvil area. The line for when exactly the line is crossed (as opposed to the less ambiguous \\\"completely amoral PsychoForHire villain played in a \\\"heroic\\\" role\\\" turns a bit fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\\\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself, so DisproportionateRetribution or HighOctaneNightmareFuel is commonplace), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that it drowns out everything else and turns himself evil, simply considerably less so than his most extreme CompleteMonster adversaries... for whom his treatment actually can be argued as \
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself, so DisproportionateRetribution or HighOctaneNightmareFuel is commonplace), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that it drowns out everything else and turns himself evil, simply considerably less so than his most extreme CompleteMonster adversaries... for whom his treatment actually can be argued as \\\"warranted\\\" type IV... killing random drug-addicts definitely not, much less without due process involved. Anyway EvilVersusEvil is a part of the larger PayEvilUntoEvil area. The line is a bit fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\\\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that he turns evil himself. Per definition PayEvilUntoEvil is a sub-category for EvilVersusEvil as well. The line is a bit fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself, so DisproportionateRetribution or HighOctaneNightmareFuel is commonplace), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that it drowns out everything else and turns himself evil, simply considerably less so than his most extreme CompleteMonster adversaries... for whom his treatment actually can be argued as \\\"warranted\\\" type IV... randomly killing drug-addicts, definitely not. Anyway EvilVersusEvil is a part of the larger PayEvilUntoEvil area. The line is a bit fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\\\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that he turns evil himself. Per definition PayEvilUntoEvil is a sub-category for EvilVersusEvil as well.
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that he turns evil himself. Per definition PayEvilUntoEvil is a sub-category for EvilVersusEvil as well. The line is a bit fuzzy though, I agree about that. It\\\'s the reason why we put in the YMMV tags for various entries.
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I agree about clearing it up here. I\'m tired of the lack of straightforward honest explanation of motivation.
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I agree about clearing it up here. I\\\'m tired of the lack of straightforward honest explanation of motivation. I tend to be upfront about the core issues, and prefer the same clear communication from others to get anywhere.
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I agree.
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I agree about clearing it up here. I\\\'m tired of the lack of straightforward honest explanation of motivation.
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself) that he turns evil himself. PayEvilUntoEvil is a sub-category for EvilVersusEvil too remember?
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As for ThePunisher, he uses so ridiculously evil methods on such a vast scale (and yes, including killing the occasional innocent, or recurrently killing people who are technically considerably less extreme than himself), and mostly simply for the sake of gaining a target for his need to kill, that he turns evil himself. Per definition PayEvilUntoEvil is a sub-category for EvilVersusEvil as well.
