Discussion History UsefulNotes / MisplacedNationalism

Concerning @/{{MakiP}}\\\'s vandalism--@/CyganAngel is wrong. @/{{MakiP}} is not the only person to have done this. I have seen trolls and vandals change other pages (such as {{Eagleland}}) to remove any trace of the word \\\"American,\\\" while usually writing offensive American-bashing statements at the same time.

They almost always come from a Spanish or Portuguese-speaking country, and it happens elsewhere outside of TV Tropes, too.

Before @/{{Malchus}} started the Trope Repair Shop thread, there was an example that had a lot more information concerning the displays of MisplacedNationalism like what @/{{MakiP}} demonstrated a few days ago.

I\\\'m considering adding it back, \\\'\\\'with the vitriol removed\\\'\\\'. People like @/{{MakiP}}, if they\\\'re \\\'\\\'willing\\\'\\\' to be informed and not simply push their native language\\\'s demonyms on other languages, could benefit from understanding the point that was made in the example.

This is what it originally looked like:

* People from Spanish or Portuguese-speaking nations (e.g. [[CaptainObvious Spain, Portugal]], Mexico, the countries of South and Central America) can be real {{Single Issue Wonk}}s toward Americans on the subject of demonyms and etymology. Odds are good you\\\'ve seen it happen \\\'\\\'at least\\\'\\\' once--Spanish/Portuguese-speaking nationals bashing Americans for calling themselves \\\"American.\\\" The reason this happens is twofold.\\\\\\\\
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\\\'\\\'First\\\'\\\', people from Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries are taught that the Americas are not \\\'\\\'two\\\'\\\' continents, but \\\'\\\'one\\\'\\\'. In the United States, Canada, most English speaking countries and Asia, the Americas are referred to as two \\\'\\\'separate\\\'\\\' continents and are always called \\\"North America\\\" and \\\"South America.\\\" Thus, where people from the former group would refer to people from the American continents as \\\"Americans\\\" in their own language, people from the latter group would say \\\"North Americans\\\" or \\\"South Americans\\\" in theirs.\\\\\\\\
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\\\'\\\'Second\\\'\\\'. Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries often call Americans \\\"United Stateser\\\" (\\\'\\\'Estadounidense\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Estadunidense\\\'\\\', respectively), whereas in English and most other languages, Americans are called \\\"American\\\" in some form or fashion. Spanish and Portuguese-speaking nationals, expecting everyone to use \\\'\\\'their\\\'\\\' terminology in other languages, [[DidNotDoTheResearch assume Americans deliberately call themselves American out of sheer arrogance]], and that they are ignorant of the existence of other countries on the \\\"same continent.\\\" [[YouFailHistoryForever Needless to say, their assumptions are not accurate]]--but much hateful {{Eagleland}} bashing and CulturalPosturing ensues anyway.

Concerning @/{{MakiP}}\\\'s vandalism--@/CyganAngel is wrong. @/{{MakiP}} is not the only person to have done this. I have seen trolls and vandals change other pages (such as {{Eagleland}}) to remove any trace of the word \\\"American,\\\" while usually writing offensive American-bashing statements at the same time.

They almost always come from a Spanish or Portuguese-speaking country, and it happens elsewhere outside of TV Tropes, too.

Before @/{{Malchus}} started the Trope Repair Shop thread, there was an example that had a lot more information concerning the displays of MisplacedNationalism like what @/{{MakiP}} pulled a few days ago.

I\\\'m considering adding it back, \\\'\\\'with the vitriol removed\\\'\\\'. People like @/{{MakiP}}, if they\\\'re \\\'\\\'willing\\\'\\\' to be informed and not simply push their native language\\\'s demonyms on other languages, could benefit from understanding the point that was made in the example.

This is what it originally looked like:

* People from Spanish or Portuguese-speaking nations (e.g. [[CaptainObvious Spain, Portugal]], Mexico, the countries of South and Central America) can be real {{Single Issue Wonk}}s toward Americans on the subject of demonyms and etymology. Odds are good you\\\'ve seen it happen \\\'\\\'at least\\\'\\\' once--Spanish/Portuguese-speaking nationals bashing Americans for calling themselves \\\"American.\\\" The reason this happens is twofold.\\\\\\\\
\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'First\\\'\\\', people from Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries are taught that the Americas are not \\\'\\\'two\\\'\\\' continents, but \\\'\\\'one\\\'\\\'. In the United States, Canada, most English speaking countries and Asia, the Americas are referred to as two \\\'\\\'separate\\\'\\\' continents and are always called \\\"North America\\\" and \\\"South America.\\\" Thus, where people from the former group would refer to people from the American continents as \\\"Americans\\\" in their own language, people from the latter group would say \\\"North Americans\\\" or \\\"South Americans\\\" in theirs.\\\\\\\\
\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'Second\\\'\\\'. Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries often call Americans \\\"United Stateser\\\" (\\\'\\\'Estadounidense\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Estadunidense\\\'\\\', respectively), whereas in English and most other languages, Americans are called \\\"American\\\" in some form or fashion. Spanish and Portuguese-speaking nationals, expecting everyone to use \\\'\\\'their\\\'\\\' terminology in other languages, [[DidNotDoTheResearch assume Americans deliberately call themselves American out of sheer arrogance]], and that they are ignorant of the existence of other countries on the \\\"same continent.\\\" [[YouFailHistoryForever Needless to say, their assumptions are not accurate]]--but much hateful {{Eagleland}} bashing and CulturalPosturing ensues anyway.

Concerning @/{{MakiP}}\\\'s vandalism--@/CyganAngel is wrong. @/{{MakiP}} is not the only person to have done this. I have seen trolls and vandals change other pages (such as {{Eagleland}}) to remove any trace of the word \\\"American,\\\" while usually writing offensive American-bashing statements at the same time.

They almost always come from a Spanish or Portuguese-speaking country, and it happens elsewhere outside of TV Tropes, too.

Before the whole Trope Repair Shop discussion, there was an example that had a lot more information concerning the displays of MisplacedNationalism like what @/{{MakiP}} pulled a few days ago.

I\\\'m considering adding it back, \\\'\\\'with the vitriol removed\\\'\\\'. People like @/{{MakiP}}, if they\\\'re \\\'\\\'willing\\\'\\\' to be informed and not simply push their native language\\\'s demonyms on other languages, could benefit from understanding the point that was made in the example.

This is what it originally looked like:

* People from Spanish or Portuguese-speaking nations (e.g. [[CaptainObvious Spain, Portugal]], Mexico, the countries of South and Central America) can be real {{Single Issue Wonk}}s toward Americans on the subject of demonyms and etymology. Odds are good you\\\'ve seen it happen \\\'\\\'at least\\\'\\\' once--Spanish/Portuguese-speaking nationals bashing Americans for calling themselves \\\"American.\\\" The reason this happens is twofold.\\\\\\\\
\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'First\\\'\\\', people from Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries are taught that the Americas are not \\\'\\\'two\\\'\\\' continents, but \\\'\\\'one\\\'\\\'. In the United States, Canada, most English speaking countries and Asia, the Americas are referred to as two \\\'\\\'separate\\\'\\\' continents and are always called \\\"North America\\\" and \\\"South America.\\\" Thus, where people from the former group would refer to people from the American continents as \\\"Americans\\\" in their own language, people from the latter group would say \\\"North Americans\\\" or \\\"South Americans\\\" in theirs.\\\\\\\\
\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'Second\\\'\\\'. Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries often call Americans \\\"United Stateser\\\" (\\\'\\\'Estadounidense\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Estadunidense\\\'\\\', respectively), whereas in English and most other languages, Americans are called \\\"American\\\" in some form or fashion. Spanish and Portuguese-speaking nationals, expecting everyone to use \\\'\\\'their\\\'\\\' terminology in other languages, [[DidNotDoTheResearch assume Americans deliberately call themselves American out of sheer arrogance]], and that they are ignorant of the existence of other countries on the \\\"same continent.\\\" [[YouFailHistoryForever Needless to say, their assumptions are not accurate]]--but much hateful {{Eagleland}} bashing and CulturalPosturing ensues anyway.

Concerning @/{{MakiP}}\\\'s vandalism--@/CyganAngel is wrong. @/{{MakiP}} is not the only person to have done this. I have seen trolls and vandals change other pages (such as {{Eagleland}}) to remove any trace of the word \\\"American,\\\" while usually writing offensive American-bashing statements at the same time.

They almost always come from a Spanish or Portuguese-speaking country, and it happens elsewhere outside of TV Tropes, too.

Before the whole Trope Repair Shop discussion, there was an example that had a lot more information concerning the displays of MisplacedNationalism like what @/{{MakiP}} pulled a few days ago.

I\\\'m considering adding it back, with some of the vitriol removed. People like @/{{MakiP}}, if they\\\'re \\\'\\\'willing\\\'\\\' to be informed and not simply push their native language\\\'s demonyms on other languages, could benefit from understanding the point that was made in the example.

This is what it originally looked like:

* People from Spanish or Portuguese-speaking nations (e.g. [[CaptainObvious Spain, Portugal]], Mexico, the countries of South and Central America) can be real {{Single Issue Wonk}}s toward Americans on the subject of demonyms and etymology. Odds are good you\\\'ve seen it happen \\\'\\\'at least\\\'\\\' once--Spanish/Portuguese-speaking nationals bashing Americans for calling themselves \\\"American.\\\" The reason this happens is twofold.\\\\\\\\
\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'First\\\'\\\', people from Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries are taught that the Americas are not \\\'\\\'two\\\'\\\' continents, but \\\'\\\'one\\\'\\\'. In the United States, Canada, most English speaking countries and Asia, the Americas are referred to as two \\\'\\\'separate\\\'\\\' continents and are always called \\\"North America\\\" and \\\"South America.\\\" Thus, where people from the former group would refer to people from the American continents as \\\"Americans\\\" in their own language, people from the latter group would say \\\"North Americans\\\" or \\\"South Americans\\\" in theirs.\\\\\\\\
\\\\\\\\
\\\'\\\'Second\\\'\\\'. Spanish and Portuguese-speaking countries often call Americans \\\"United Stateser\\\" (\\\'\\\'Estadounidense\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Estadunidense\\\'\\\', respectively), whereas in English and most other languages, Americans are called \\\"American\\\" in some form or fashion. Spanish and Portuguese-speaking nationals, expecting everyone to use \\\'\\\'their\\\'\\\' terminology in other languages, [[DidNotDoTheResearch assume Americans deliberately call themselves American out of sheer arrogance]], and that they are ignorant of the existence of other countries on the \\\"same continent.\\\" [[YouFailHistoryForever Needless to say, their assumptions are not accurate]]--but much hateful {{Eagleland}} bashing and CulturalPosturing ensues anyway.

Concerning @/{{MakiP}}\\\'s vandalism--@/CyanAngel is wrong. @/{{MakiP}} is not the only person to have done this. I have seen trolls and vandals change other pages (such as {{Eagleland}}) to remove any trace of the word \\\"American,\\\" while usually writing offensive American-bashing statements at the same time.