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3.I\'m sorry but I don\'t understand? The GW can indeed be called YHVH or the different names or vice versa, after all all of them in a sense are God but they do have traits that differentiate YHVH from the \
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3.I\\\'m sorry but I don\\\'t understand? The GW can indeed be called YHVH or the different names or vice versa, after all all of them in a sense are God but they do have traits that differentiate YHVH from the \\\"original\\\" or heck even YHVH\\\'s own bunrei. The only contradiction I see comes from a separate game all together (SJ) regarding Metatron, as he was never stated to be part of God before and is more commonly treated as a high ranking angel.
4. Because of the existence of the Axiom, which takes the GW\\\'s spot as the \\\"original ruler of the multiverse\\\" YHVH was split off from in the story. YHVH\\\'s actions here are also what I was referring to earlier about conflating himself. YHVH is telling the truth from a certain point of view, he indeed is part of Axiom and represents it in this verse. (out of a desire to more easily interact with humans to receive worship if I recall correctly) However as shown by the existence of the messiahs and the words of Steven and Satan, YHVH has drawn the ire of the greater being he is a part of and thus the Axiom wants him dead.
The Messiah DLC is not proof of anything, leaving aside all the continuity errors SMTIV:A has to rest of the series including IV itself, (thus I won\\\'t harp on YHVH not wanting Law!Aleph dead until the very end of the game) only YHVH is shown explicitly to have multiple versions, which \\\"rule\\\" their part of multiverse. As you yourself have noted the GW does not appear in SMTIV:A and has never wanted Law!Aleph dead, quite the opposite going by that added scene for Satan. To drop the pretense for a second, since unlike Dragonfire we both agree that the GW and Axiom are interchangeable, the reason the GW isn\\\'t mentioned at all one way or another in regards to the Axiom, is because its very likely that the GW is currently going by the name of Axiom, with Steven acting as it\\\'s agent since YHVH has become unreliable.
5. Which is my point, the \\\"original\\\" is still ruling, completely fine, with the Mandala system for V\\\'s verse in place.
6. No as the creator of the systems that govern how the multiverse works and the being that YHVH (the most often governing body for the verses) split off form it implies the opposite. The characters you bring up are only on the scale of YHVH and just because you claim something doesn\\\'t make it so. (Otherwise the two versions of YHVH from 2 and IV:A wouldn\\\'t of been put on the chopping block) If Lucifer killed any one of these beings, it wouldn\\\'t really matter for his goals, as like with YHVH, killing them does nothing to disrupt the order of SMT\\\'s multiverse.
4. Because of the existence of the Axiom, which takes the GW\\\'s spot as the \\\"original ruler of the multiverse\\\" YHVH was split off from in the story. YHVH\\\'s actions here are also what I was referring to earlier about conflating himself. YHVH is telling the truth from a certain point of view, he indeed is part of Axiom and represents it in this verse. (out of a desire to more easily interact with humans to receive worship if I recall correctly) However as shown by the existence of the messiahs and the words of Steven and Satan, YHVH has drawn the ire of the greater being he is a part of and thus the Axiom wants him dead.
The Messiah DLC is not proof of anything, leaving aside all the continuity errors SMTIV:A has to rest of the series including IV itself, (thus I won\\\'t harp on YHVH not wanting Law!Aleph dead until the very end of the game) only YHVH is shown explicitly to have multiple versions, which \\\"rule\\\" their part of multiverse. As you yourself have noted the GW does not appear in SMTIV:A and has never wanted Law!Aleph dead, quite the opposite going by that added scene for Satan. To drop the pretense for a second, since unlike Dragonfire we both agree that the GW and Axiom are interchangeable, the reason the GW isn\\\'t mentioned at all one way or another in regards to the Axiom, is because its very likely that the GW is currently going by the name of Axiom, with Steven acting as it\\\'s agent since YHVH has become unreliable.
5. Which is my point, the \\\"original\\\" is still ruling, completely fine, with the Mandala system for V\\\'s verse in place.
6. No as the creator of the systems that govern how the multiverse works and the being that YHVH (the most often governing body for the verses) split off form it implies the opposite. The characters you bring up are only on the scale of YHVH and just because you claim something doesn\\\'t make it so. (Otherwise the two versions of YHVH from 2 and IV:A wouldn\\\'t of been put on the chopping block) If Lucifer killed any one of these beings, it wouldn\\\'t really matter for his goals, as like with YHVH, killing them does nothing to disrupt the order of SMT\\\'s multiverse.
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3.I\'m sorry but I don\'t understand? The GW can indeed be called YHVH or the different names or vice versa, after all all of them in a sense are God but they do have traits that differentiate YHVH from the \
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3.I\\\'m sorry but I don\\\'t understand? The GW can indeed be called YHVH or the different names or vice versa, after all all of them in a sense are God but they do have traits that differentiate YHVH from the \\\"original\\\" or heck even YHVH\\\'s own bunrei. The only contradiction I see comes from a separate game all together (SJ) regarding Metatron, as he was never stated to be part of God before and is more commonly treated as a high ranking angel.
4. Because of the existence of the Axiom, which takes the GW\\\'s spot as the \\\"original ruler of the multiverse\\\" YHVH was split off from in the story. YHVH\\\'s actions here are also what I was referring to earlier about conflating himself. YHVH is telling the truth from a certain point of view, he indeed is part of Axiom and represents it in this verse. (out of a desire to more easily interact with humans to receive worship if I recall correctly) However as shown by the existence of the messiahs and the words of Steven and Satan, YHVH has drawn the ire of the greater being he is a part of and thus the Axiom wants him dead.
The Messiah DLC is not proof of anything, leaving aside all the continuity errors SMTIV:A has to rest of the series including IV itself, (thus I won\\\'t harp on YHVH not wanting Law!Aleph dead until the very end of the game) only YHVH is shown explicitly to have multiple versions, which \\\"rule\\\" their part of multiverse. As you yourself have noted the GW does not appear in SMTIV:A and has never wanted Law!Aleph dead, quite the opposite going by that added scene for Satan. To drop the pretense for a second, since unlike Dragonfire we both agree that the GW and Axiom are interchangeable, the reason the GW isn\\\'t mentioned at all one way or another in regards to the Axiom, is because its very likely that the GW is currently going by the name of Axiom, with Steven acting as it\\\'s agent since YHVH has become unreliable.
5. Which is my point, the \\\"original\\\" is still ruling, completely fine, with the Mandala system for V\\\'s verse in place.
6. No as the creator of the systems that govern how the multiverse works and the being that YHVH (the most often governing body for the verses) it implies the opposite. The characters you bring up are only on the scale of YHVH and just because you claim something doesn\\\'t make it so. (Otherwise the two versions of YHVH from 2 and IV:A wouldn\\\'t of been put on the chopping block) If Lucifer killed any one of these beings, it wouldn\\\'t really matter for his goals, as like with YHVH, killing them does nothing to disrupt the order of SMT\\\'s multiverse.
4. Because of the existence of the Axiom, which takes the GW\\\'s spot as the \\\"original ruler of the multiverse\\\" YHVH was split off from in the story. YHVH\\\'s actions here are also what I was referring to earlier about conflating himself. YHVH is telling the truth from a certain point of view, he indeed is part of Axiom and represents it in this verse. (out of a desire to more easily interact with humans to receive worship if I recall correctly) However as shown by the existence of the messiahs and the words of Steven and Satan, YHVH has drawn the ire of the greater being he is a part of and thus the Axiom wants him dead.
The Messiah DLC is not proof of anything, leaving aside all the continuity errors SMTIV:A has to rest of the series including IV itself, (thus I won\\\'t harp on YHVH not wanting Law!Aleph dead until the very end of the game) only YHVH is shown explicitly to have multiple versions, which \\\"rule\\\" their part of multiverse. As you yourself have noted the GW does not appear in SMTIV:A and has never wanted Law!Aleph dead, quite the opposite going by that added scene for Satan. To drop the pretense for a second, since unlike Dragonfire we both agree that the GW and Axiom are interchangeable, the reason the GW isn\\\'t mentioned at all one way or another in regards to the Axiom, is because its very likely that the GW is currently going by the name of Axiom, with Steven acting as it\\\'s agent since YHVH has become unreliable.
5. Which is my point, the \\\"original\\\" is still ruling, completely fine, with the Mandala system for V\\\'s verse in place.
6. No as the creator of the systems that govern how the multiverse works and the being that YHVH (the most often governing body for the verses) it implies the opposite. The characters you bring up are only on the scale of YHVH and just because you claim something doesn\\\'t make it so. (Otherwise the two versions of YHVH from 2 and IV:A wouldn\\\'t of been put on the chopping block) If Lucifer killed any one of these beings, it wouldn\\\'t really matter for his goals, as like with YHVH, killing them does nothing to disrupt the order of SMT\\\'s multiverse.
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1. The fact that he has to specify that he is a part of a greater being and that said greater being will be the one to resurrect him, implies they are not fully one and the same. Otherwise he would simply state that he himself will just resurrect himself later. While I am admittedly not a expert on Shintoism, (nor would I ever claim to be) I do believe the reason why the term avatar was used instead, (and why the term bunrei it also does not appear for the English translation of SMTIV:A regarding YHVH\'s similar role with the Axiom) is that term bunrei refers to a exact copy created from dividing a kami so that it can inhabit another shrine. From the few things we do know about the GW, YHVH is does not fit this criteria. Besides not having the ability to resurrect himself and overall being less powerful, YHVH is not truly Law aligned and is more of a neutral figure and finally does not value human freedom.( Something Kagutsuchi takes issue with in 3) So YHVH while a part of the GW, isn\'t just another instance of that character and is different in some areas. The word avatar was used instead because it does get across the idea of being part of something but not being a duplicate to the English speaking audience.
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1. The fact that he has to specify that he is a part of a greater being and that said greater being will be the one to resurrect him, implies they are not fully one and the same. Otherwise he would simply state that he himself will just resurrect himself later. While I am admittedly not a expert on Shintoism, (nor would I ever claim to be) I do believe the reason why the term avatar was used instead, (and why the term bunrei also does not appear for the English translation of SMTIV:A regarding YHVH\\\'s similar role with the Axiom) is that term bunrei refers to a exact copy created from dividing a kami so that it can inhabit another shrine. From the few things we do know about the GW, YHVH is does not fit this criteria. Besides not having the ability to resurrect himself and overall being less powerful, YHVH is not truly Law aligned and is more of a neutral figure and finally does not value human freedom.( Something Kagutsuchi takes issue with in 3) So YHVH while a part of the GW, isn\\\'t just another instance of that character and is different in some areas. The word avatar was used instead because it does get across the idea of being part of something but not being a duplicate to the English speaking audience.
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3.I\'m sorry but I don\'t understand? The GW can indeed be called YHVH or the different names or vice versa, after all all of them in a sense are God but they do have traits that differentiate YHVH from the \
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3.I\\\'m sorry but I don\\\'t understand? The GW can indeed be called YHVH or the different names or vice versa, after all all of them in a sense are God but they do have traits that differentiate YHVH from the \\\"original\\\" or heck even YHVH\\\'s own bunrei. The only contradiction I see comes from a separate game all together (SJ) regarding Metatron, as he was never stated to be part of God before and is more commonly treated as a high ranking angel.
4. Because of the existence of the Axiom, which takes the GW\\\'s spot as the \\\"original ruler of the multiverse\\\" YHVH was split off from in the story. YHVH\\\'s actions here are also what I was referring to earlier about conflating himself. YHVH is telling the truth from a certain point of view, he indeed is part of Axiom and represents it in this verse. (out of a desire to more easily interact with humans to receive worship if I recall correctly) However as shown by the existence of the messiahs and the words of Steven and Satan, YHVH has drawn the ire of the greater being he is a part of and thus the Axiom wants him dead.
The Messiah DLC is not proof of anything, leaving aside all the continuity errors SMTIV:A has to rest of the series including IV itself, (thus I won\\\'t harp on YHVH not wanting Law!Aleph dead until the very end of the game) only YHVH is shown explicitly to have multiple versions, which \\\"rule\\\" their part of multiverse. As you yourself have noted the GW does not appear in SMTIV:A and has never wanted Law!Aleph dead, quite the opposite going by that added scene for Satan. To drop the pretense for a second, since unlike Dragonfire we both agree that the GW and Axiom are interchangeable, the reason the GW isn\\\'t mentioned at all one way or another in regards to the Axiom, is because its very likely that the GW is currently going by the name of Axiom, with Steven acting as it\\\'s agent since YHVH has become unreliable.
5. Which is my point, the \\\"original\\\" is still ruling, completely fine, with the Mandala system for V\\\'s verse in place.
6. No as the creator of the systems that govern the multiverse works and the being that YHVH (the most often governing body for the verses) it implies the opposite. The characters you bring up are only on the scale of YHVH and just because you claim something doesn\\\'t make it so. (Otherwise the two versions of YHVH from 2 and IV:A wouldn\\\'t of been put on the chopping block) If Lucifer killed any one of these beings, it wouldn\\\'t really matter for his goals, as like with YHVH, killing them does nothing to disrupt the order of SMT\\\'s multiverse.
4. Because of the existence of the Axiom, which takes the GW\\\'s spot as the \\\"original ruler of the multiverse\\\" YHVH was split off from in the story. YHVH\\\'s actions here are also what I was referring to earlier about conflating himself. YHVH is telling the truth from a certain point of view, he indeed is part of Axiom and represents it in this verse. (out of a desire to more easily interact with humans to receive worship if I recall correctly) However as shown by the existence of the messiahs and the words of Steven and Satan, YHVH has drawn the ire of the greater being he is a part of and thus the Axiom wants him dead.
The Messiah DLC is not proof of anything, leaving aside all the continuity errors SMTIV:A has to rest of the series including IV itself, (thus I won\\\'t harp on YHVH not wanting Law!Aleph dead until the very end of the game) only YHVH is shown explicitly to have multiple versions, which \\\"rule\\\" their part of multiverse. As you yourself have noted the GW does not appear in SMTIV:A and has never wanted Law!Aleph dead, quite the opposite going by that added scene for Satan. To drop the pretense for a second, since unlike Dragonfire we both agree that the GW and Axiom are interchangeable, the reason the GW isn\\\'t mentioned at all one way or another in regards to the Axiom, is because its very likely that the GW is currently going by the name of Axiom, with Steven acting as it\\\'s agent since YHVH has become unreliable.
5. Which is my point, the \\\"original\\\" is still ruling, completely fine, with the Mandala system for V\\\'s verse in place.
6. No as the creator of the systems that govern the multiverse works and the being that YHVH (the most often governing body for the verses) it implies the opposite. The characters you bring up are only on the scale of YHVH and just because you claim something doesn\\\'t make it so. (Otherwise the two versions of YHVH from 2 and IV:A wouldn\\\'t of been put on the chopping block) If Lucifer killed any one of these beings, it wouldn\\\'t really matter for his goals, as like with YHVH, killing them does nothing to disrupt the order of SMT\\\'s multiverse.
