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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not really evidence of the two being the same and can easily be interpreted as him only talking about the Axiom specifically and not the Great Will. Interestingly, every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC lacks the \
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not really evidence of the two being the same and can easily be interpreted as him only talking about the Axiom specifically and not the Great Will. Interestingly, every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC lacks the \\\"大いなる\\\" part and only uses 理, so he might not even be referring to the Axiom as an entity here and may be just talking about a general \\\"bending the laws of the universe.\\\"

As long as there is no explicit confirmation from the devs that the Great Will and the Axiom are one and the same, this wiki should keep them separate. People troping things that seem \\\"obvious\\\" to them has led to more than one trope or audience reaction being taken to the cleanup thread, because sometimes what seems \\\"obvious\\\" isn\\\'t actually what the creators intended.

Finally, for what it\\\'s worth, Japanese fans apparently treat the Axiom as an equivalent of the Great Will rather than the same entity with a different name. Which, given the difference in their names\\\' meanings, is understandable.
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The thing about \'\'IV Apocalypse\'\' is that it\'s a different setting that operates under different rules. It\'s a separate universe with different cosmology, and said cosmology does not feature the Great Will in it. Heck, even in the Diamond Realm DLC, the different worlds that the heroes come from have different cosmologies; for example, Demi-fiend\'s setting has Kagutsuchi as YHVH, while Flynn\'s setting has Lucifer being split off from Satan and meant to play the role of a scapegoat.
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The thing about \\\'\\\'IV Apocalypse\\\'\\\' is that it\\\'s a different setting that operates under different rules. It\\\'s a separate universe with different cosmology, and said cosmology does not feature the Great Will in it. A lot of games will have references to previous games, but they will also have enough differences that you can say the settings are operating under different rules.
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not really evidence of the two being the same and can easily be interpreted as him only talking about the Axiom specifically and not the Great Will. Interestingly, every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC lacks the \
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Heck, even in the Diamond Realm DLC, the different worlds that the heroes come from have different cosmologies; for example, Demi-fiend\\\'s setting has Kagutsuchi as YHVH, while Flynn\\\'s setting has Lucifer being split off from Satan and meant to play the role of a scapegoat. And for all the similarities \\\'\\\'V\\\'\\\' has to \\\'\\\'Nocturne\\\'\\\', its backstory of all gods being Nahobino and being forcibly split apart is absent in \\\'\\\'Nocturne\\\'\\\'.

Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not really evidence of the two being the same and can easily be interpreted as him only talking about the Axiom specifically and not the Great Will. Interestingly, every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC lacks the \\\"大いなる\\\" part and only uses 理, so he might not even be referring to the Axiom as an entity here and may be just talking about a general \\\"bending the laws of the universe.\\\"

The fact is that there is nothing suggesting the two are the same thing, and unless a dev explicitly mentions that \\\"Yes, the Axiom is supposed to be \\\'\\\'the\\\'\\\' Great Will,\\\" putting it as a fact on this wiki is troping speculation. Again, I am inclined to think that the two are separate entities that fulfill a similar story narrative.

As long as there is no explicit confirmation from the devs that the Great Will and the Axiom are one and the same, this wiki should keep them separate. People troping things that seem \\\"obvious\\\" to them has led to more than one trope or audience reaction being taken to the cleanup thread, because sometimes what seems \\\"obvious\\\" isn\\\'t actually what the creators intended.

Finally, for what it\\\'s worth, Japanese fans apparently treat the Axiom as an equivalent of the Great Will rather than the same entity with a different name. Which, given the difference in their names\\\' meanings, is understandable.
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not really evidence of the two being the same and can easily be interpreted as him only talking about the Axiom specifically and not the Great Will. Interestingly, every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC lacks the \
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not really evidence of the two being the same and can easily be interpreted as him only talking about the Axiom specifically and not the Great Will. Interestingly, every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC lacks the \\\"大いなる\\\" part and only uses 理, so he might not even be referring to the Axiom as an entity here and may be just talking about a general \\\"bending the laws of the universe.\\\"

A lot of games will have references to previous games, but they will also have different rules from each other. In the case of \\\'\\\'IV Apocalypse\\\'\\\', the Axiom fulfills a similar role to the Great Will as a cosmic force above the gods, but it isn\\\'t the Great Will itself. It\\\'s kind of like how Canopus fulfills a similar role to the Great Will but is explicitly not the same thing, or how like Polaris is similar to YHVH but is not YHVH.

The fact is that there is nothing suggesting the two are the same thing, and unless a dev explicitly mentions that \\\"Yes, the Axiom is supposed to be \\\'\\\'the\\\'\\\' Great Will,\\\" putting it as a fact on this wiki is troping speculation. Again, I am inclined to think that the two are separate entities that fulfill a similar story narrative.

Also, for what it\\\'s worth, Japanese fans apparently treat the Axiom as an equivalent of the Great Will rather than the same entity with a different name. Which, given the difference in their names\\\' meanings, is understandable.
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not evidence of the two being the same, especially since every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC is him talking about the laws of the universe. Interestingly, he doesn\'t use \
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not really evidence of the two being the same and can easily be interpreted as him only talking about the Axiom specifically and not the Great Will. Interestingly, every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC lacks the \\\"大いなる\\\" part and only uses 理, so he might not even be referring to the Axiom as an entity here and may be just talking about a general \\\"bending the laws of the universe.\\\"

A lot of games will have references to previous games, but they will also have different rules from each other. In the case of \\\'\\\'IV Apocalypse\\\'\\\', the Axiom fulfills a similar role to the Great Will as a cosmic force above the gods, but it isn\\\'t the Great Will itself. It\\\'s kind of like how Canopus fulfills a similar role to the Great Will but is explicitly not the same thing, or how like Polaris is similar to YHVH but is not YHVH.

The fact is that there is nothing suggesting the two are the same thing, and unless a dev explicitly mentions that \\\"Yes, the Axiom is supposed to be \\\'\\\'the\\\'\\\' Great Will,\\\" putting it as a fact on this wiki is troping speculation. Again, I am inclined to think that the two are separate entities that fulfill a similar story narrative.

Also, for what it\\\'s worth, Japanese fans apparently treat the Axiom as an equivalent of the Great Will, but not the same thing. Which, given the difference in their names\\\' meanings, is understandable.
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I\'m putting my response in a folder to avoid unnecessary post length and to save people from having to scroll.
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The thing about \\\'\\\'IV Apocalypse\\\'\\\' is that it\\\'s a different setting that operates under different rules. It\\\'s a separate universe with different cosmology, and said cosmology does not feature the Great Will in it. Heck, even in the Diamond Realm DLC, the different worlds that the heroes come from have different cosmologies; for example, Demi-fiend\\\'s setting has Kagutsuchi as YHVH, while Flynn\\\'s setting has Lucifer being split off from Satan and meant to play the role of a scapegoat.
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The thing about \'\'IV Apocalypse\'\' is that it\'s a different setting that operates under different rules. It\'s a separate universe with different cosmology, and said cosmology does not feature the Great Will in it. Heck, even in the Diamond Realm DLC, the different worlds that the heroes come from have different cosmologies; for example, Demi-fiend\'s setting has Kagutsuchi as YHVH, while Flynn\'s setting has Lucifer being split off from Satan and meant to play the role of a scapegoat.
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not evidence of the two being the same, especially since every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC is him talking about the laws of the universe. Interestingly, he doesn\\\'t use \\\"大いなる\\\" in the script, and only uses 理.
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not evidence of the two being the same, especially since every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC is him talking about the laws of the universe. Interestingly, he doesn\'t use \
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A lot of games will have references to previous games, but they will also have different rules from each other. In the case of \\\'\\\'IV Apocalypse\\\'\\\', the Axiom fulfills a similar role to the Great Will as a cosmic force above the gods, but it isn\\\'t the Great Will itself. It\\\'s kind of like how Canopus fulfills a similar role to the Great Will but is explicitly not the same thing, or how like Polaris is similar to YHVH but is not YHVH.

The fact is that there is nothing suggesting the two are the same thing, and unless a dev explicitly mentions that \\\"Yes, the Axiom is supposed to be \\\'\\\'the\\\'\\\' Great Will,\\\" putting it as a fact on this wiki is troping speculation. Again, I am inclined to think that the two are separate entities that fulfill a similar story narrative.

Also, for what it\\\'s worth, Japanese fans apparently treat the Axiom as an equivalent of the Great Will, but not the same thing. Which, given the difference in their names\\\' meanings, is understandable.
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The thing about \'\'IV Apocalypse\'\' is that it\'s a different setting that operates under different rules. It\'s a separate universe with different cosmology, and said cosmology does not feature the Great Will in it. Heck, even in the Diamond Realm DLC, the different worlds that the heroes come from have different cosmologies; for example, Demi-fiend\'s setting has Kagutsuchi as YHVH, while Flynn\'s setting has Lucifer being split off from Satan and meant to play the role of a scapegoat.
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I\\\'m putting my response in a folder to avoid unnecessary post length and to save people from having to scroll.
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not evidence of the two being the same, especially since every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC is him talking about the laws of the universe. Interestingly, he doesn\'t use \
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The thing about \\\'\\\'IV Apocalypse\\\'\\\' is that it\\\'s a different setting that operates under different rules. It\\\'s a separate universe with different cosmology, and said cosmology does not feature the Great Will in it. Heck, even in the Diamond Realm DLC, the different worlds that the heroes come from have different cosmologies; for example, Demi-fiend\\\'s setting has Kagutsuchi as YHVH, while Flynn\\\'s setting has Lucifer being split off from Satan and meant to play the role of a scapegoat.

Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not evidence of the two being the same, especially since every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC is him talking about the laws of the universe. Interestingly, he doesn\\\'t use \\\"大いなる\\\" in the script, and only uses 理.

A lot of games will have references to previous games, but they will also have different rules from each other. In the case of \\\'\\\'IV Apocalypse\\\'\\\', the Axiom fulfills a similar role to the Great Will as a cosmic force above the gods, but it isn\\\'t the Great Will itself. It\\\'s kind of like how Canopus fulfills a similar role to the Great Will but is explicitly not the same thing, or how like Polaris is similar to YHVH but is not YHVH.

The fact is that there is nothing suggesting the two are the same thing, and unless a dev explicitly mentions that \\\"Yes, the Axiom is supposed to be \\\'\\\'the\\\'\\\' Great Will,\\\" putting it as a fact on this wiki is troping speculation. Again, I am inclined to think that the two are separate entities that fulfill a similar story narrative.

Also, for what it\\\'s worth, Japanese fans apparently treat the Axiom as an equivalent of the Great Will, but not the same thing. Which, given the difference in their names\\\' meanings, is understandable.
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Stephen supposedly not making a distinction between the Great Will and the Axiom is also not evidence of the two being the same, especially since every mention of 理 in the Japanese script of the Diamond Realm DLC is him talking about the laws of the universe. Interestingly, he doesn\\\'t use \\\"大いなる\\\" in the script, and only uses 理.
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The fact is that there is nothing suggesting the two are the same thing, and unless a dev explicitly mentions that \
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The fact is that there is nothing suggesting the two are the same thing, and unless a dev explicitly mentions that \\\"Yes, the Axiom is supposed to be \\\'\\\'the\\\'\\\' Great Will,\\\" putting it as a fact on this wiki is troping speculation. Again, I am inclined to think that the two are separate entities that fulfill a similar story narrative.

Also, for what it\\\'s worth, Japanese fans apparently treat the Axiom as an equivalent of the Great Will, but not the same thing. Which, given the difference in their names\\\' meanings, is understandable.
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The thing about \'\'IV Apocalypse\'\' is that it\'s a different setting that operates under different rules. It\'s a separate universe with different cosmology, and said cosmology does not feature the Great Will in it. Heck, even in the Diamond Realm DLC, the different worlds that the heroes come from have different cosmologies.
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The thing about \\\'\\\'IV Apocalypse\\\'\\\' is that it\\\'s a different setting that operates under different rules. It\\\'s a separate universe with different cosmology, and said cosmology does not feature the Great Will in it. Heck, even in the Diamond Realm DLC, the different worlds that the heroes come from have different cosmologies; for example, Demi-fiend\\\'s setting has Kagutsuchi as YHVH, while Flynn\\\'s setting has Lucifer being split off from Satan and meant to play the role of a scapegoat.
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The fact is that there is nothing suggesting the two are the same thing, and unless a dev explicitly mentions that \
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The fact is that there is nothing suggesting the two are the same thing, and unless a dev explicitly mentions that \\\"Yes, the Axiom is supposed to be \\\'\\\'the\\\'\\\' Great Will,\\\" putting it as a fact on this wiki is troping speculation. Again, I am inclined to think that the two are separate entities that fulfill a similar story narrative.

Also, for what it\\\'s worth, Japanese fans apparently treat the Axiom as an equivalent of the Great Will, but not the same thing. Which, given the difference in their names\\\' meanings, is understandable.
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