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* TheyKnowTooMuch: Cinder knows that Salem would not be glad to learn that Ruby was (apparently) killed and Jinn\'s final question was used up by Cinder. So she covertly disposes of both Watts and Neo, who potentially could reveal those unpleasant facts to Salem, after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they are no longer useful to her]], and outright lies to Salem, putting the blame for both deeds onto Neo and the heroes respectively. The fact that she held a grudge against both of her \
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* TheyKnowTooMuch: Cinder knows that Salem would not be glad to learn that Ruby was (apparently) killed and Jinn\\\'s final question was used up by Cinder. So she covertly disposes of both Watts and Neo, who potentially could reveal those unpleasant facts to Salem, after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they are no longer useful to her]], and outright lies to Salem, putting the blame for both deeds onto Neo and the heroes respectively. The fact that she held a grudge against both of her \\\"companions\\\" just made the acts so much sweeter for her.
Cinder outright states to Neo that she shouldn\\\'t have betrayed her, when she \\\'kills\\\' Neo. All she says to Salem is that she destroyed the heroes\\\' creation by asking the Staff to add more fire to the existing fire. There\\\'s a screen cut to Watts trying to break out of the burning room he\\\'s in, and that\\\'s all.
So, interpreting both situations as Cinder being motivated to hide her lie by killing the two villains who could expose it, is not something the show claims. It\\\'s an interpretation -- a theory -- fans came up with.
A lot of the fandom took Cinder at her word for the reason why she killed Neo because Cinder is such a vengeful person who does turn on people who hurt or betray her. It\\\'s just another Tuesday for her.
By the same token, a lot of fans interpret the Watts situation as revenge for his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech a couple of episodes ago, and don\\\'t see anything other than that, especially since Watts and Cinder have always hated each other.
Other fans think it\\\'s both (vengefulness and covering her tracks).
While I \\\'\\\'personally\\\'\\\' agree that she\\\'s killing off the two villains to cover her tracks (I\\\'m in the \\\'it\\\'s both\\\' camp), the very fact that the fans have different interpretations for her motives shows how speculative this theory is. While a link can definitely made between \\\'killing\\\' Neo (whether for vengeance alone or more) and blaming Neo for \\\'killing\\\' Ruby (especially since it\\\'s actually Cinder who \\\'killed\\\' Ruby in the end), Watts is completely speculative.
Administrivia/SpeculativeTroping states that speculative troping shouldn\\\'t be done. I\\\'d therefore suggest rewording the trope to solely Neo as follows:
* SheKnowsTooMuch: Cinder originally recruited Neo to kill Ruby because Salem had ordered her to bring in Ruby alive and used the lamp\\\'s final question in front of her. When Ruby and Neo\\\'s fight end with them both dangling from the path, Cinder takes both Relics, states that Neo should never have betrayed her and that Ruby should never have been born. She then drops them both into the void before informing Salem that Team RWBY used the lamp\\\'s final question and Neo killed Ruby.
Cinder outright states to Neo that she shouldn\\\'t have betrayed her, when she \\\'kills\\\' Neo. All she says to Salem is that she destroyed the heroes\\\' creation by asking the Staff to add more fire to the existing fire. There\\\'s a screen cut to Watts trying to break out of the burning room he\\\'s in, and that\\\'s all.
So, interpreting both situations as Cinder being motivated to hide her lie by killing the two villains who could expose it, is not something the show claims. It\\\'s an interpretation -- a theory -- fans came up with.
A lot of the fandom took Cinder at her word for the reason why she killed Neo because Cinder is such a vengeful person who does turn on people who hurt or betray her. It\\\'s just another Tuesday for her.
By the same token, a lot of fans interpret the Watts situation as revenge for his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech a couple of episodes ago, and don\\\'t see anything other than that, especially since Watts and Cinder have always hated each other.
Other fans think it\\\'s both (vengefulness and covering her tracks).
While I \\\'\\\'personally\\\'\\\' agree that she\\\'s killing off the two villains to cover her tracks (I\\\'m in the \\\'it\\\'s both\\\' camp), the very fact that the fans have different interpretations for her motives shows how speculative this theory is. While a link can definitely made between \\\'killing\\\' Neo (whether for vengeance alone or more) and blaming Neo for \\\'killing\\\' Ruby (especially since it\\\'s actually Cinder who \\\'killed\\\' Ruby in the end), Watts is completely speculative.
Administrivia/SpeculativeTroping states that speculative troping shouldn\\\'t be done. I\\\'d therefore suggest rewording the trope to solely Neo as follows:
* SheKnowsTooMuch: Cinder originally recruited Neo to kill Ruby because Salem had ordered her to bring in Ruby alive and used the lamp\\\'s final question in front of her. When Ruby and Neo\\\'s fight end with them both dangling from the path, Cinder takes both Relics, states that Neo should never have betrayed her and that Ruby should never have been born. She then drops them both into the void before informing Salem that Team RWBY used the lamp\\\'s final question and Neo killed Ruby.
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* TheyKnowTooMuch: Cinder knows that Salem would not be glad to learn that Ruby was (apparently) killed and Jinn\'s final question was used up by Cinder. So she covertly disposes of both Watts and Neo, who potentially could reveal those unpleasant facts to Salem, after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they are no longer useful to her]], and outright lies to Salem, putting the blame for both deeds onto Neo and the heroes respectively. The fact that she held a grudge against both of her \
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* TheyKnowTooMuch: Cinder knows that Salem would not be glad to learn that Ruby was (apparently) killed and Jinn\\\'s final question was used up by Cinder. So she covertly disposes of both Watts and Neo, who potentially could reveal those unpleasant facts to Salem, after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they are no longer useful to her]], and outright lies to Salem, putting the blame for both deeds onto Neo and the heroes respectively. The fact that she held a grudge against both of her \\\"companions\\\" just made the acts so much sweeter for her.
Cinder outright states to Neo that she shouldn\\\'t have betrayed her, when she \\\'kills\\\' Neo. All she says to Salem is that she destroyed the heroes\\\' creation by asking the Staff to add more fire to the existing fire. There\\\'s a screen cut to Watts trying to break out of the burning room he\\\'s in, and that\\\'s all.
So, interpreting both situations as Cinder being motivated to hide her lie by killing the two villains who could expose it, is not something the show claims. It\\\'s an interpretation -- a theory -- fans came up with.
A lot of the fandom took Cinder at her word for the reason why she killed Neo because Cinder is such a vengeful person who does turn on people who hurt or betray her. It\\\'s just another Tuesday for her.
By the same token, a lot of fans interpret the Watts situation as revenge for his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech a couple of episodes ago, and don\\\'t see anything other than that, especially since Watts and Cinder have always hated each other.
Other fans think it\\\'s both (vengefulness and covering her tracks).
While I \\\'\\\'personally\\\'\\\' agree that she\\\'s killing off the two villains to cover her tracks (I\\\'m in the \\\'it\\\'s both\\\' camp), the very fact that the fans have different interpretations for her motives shows how speculative this theory is. While a link can definitely made between \\\'killing\\\' Neo (whether for vengeance alone or more) and blaming Neo for \\\'killing\\\' Ruby (especially since it\\\'s actually Cinder who \\\'killed\\\' Ruby in the end), Watts is completely speculative.
Administrivia/SpeculativeTroping states that speculative troping shouldn\\\'t be done. I\\\'d therefore suggest rewording the trope to solely Neo as follows:
* SheKnowsTooMuch: Cinder originally recruited Neo to kill Ruby because Salem had ordered her to bring in Ruby alive and used the lamp\\\'s final question in front of her. When Ruby and Neo\\\'s fight end with them both dangling from the path, Cinder takes both Relics, states that Neo should never have betrayed Cinder and that Ruby should never have been born. She then drops them both into the void before informing Salem that Team RWBY used the lamp\\\'s final question and Neo killed Ruby.
Cinder outright states to Neo that she shouldn\\\'t have betrayed her, when she \\\'kills\\\' Neo. All she says to Salem is that she destroyed the heroes\\\' creation by asking the Staff to add more fire to the existing fire. There\\\'s a screen cut to Watts trying to break out of the burning room he\\\'s in, and that\\\'s all.
So, interpreting both situations as Cinder being motivated to hide her lie by killing the two villains who could expose it, is not something the show claims. It\\\'s an interpretation -- a theory -- fans came up with.
A lot of the fandom took Cinder at her word for the reason why she killed Neo because Cinder is such a vengeful person who does turn on people who hurt or betray her. It\\\'s just another Tuesday for her.
By the same token, a lot of fans interpret the Watts situation as revenge for his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech a couple of episodes ago, and don\\\'t see anything other than that, especially since Watts and Cinder have always hated each other.
Other fans think it\\\'s both (vengefulness and covering her tracks).
While I \\\'\\\'personally\\\'\\\' agree that she\\\'s killing off the two villains to cover her tracks (I\\\'m in the \\\'it\\\'s both\\\' camp), the very fact that the fans have different interpretations for her motives shows how speculative this theory is. While a link can definitely made between \\\'killing\\\' Neo (whether for vengeance alone or more) and blaming Neo for \\\'killing\\\' Ruby (especially since it\\\'s actually Cinder who \\\'killed\\\' Ruby in the end), Watts is completely speculative.
Administrivia/SpeculativeTroping states that speculative troping shouldn\\\'t be done. I\\\'d therefore suggest rewording the trope to solely Neo as follows:
* SheKnowsTooMuch: Cinder originally recruited Neo to kill Ruby because Salem had ordered her to bring in Ruby alive and used the lamp\\\'s final question in front of her. When Ruby and Neo\\\'s fight end with them both dangling from the path, Cinder takes both Relics, states that Neo should never have betrayed Cinder and that Ruby should never have been born. She then drops them both into the void before informing Salem that Team RWBY used the lamp\\\'s final question and Neo killed Ruby.
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* TheyKnowTooMuch: Cinder knows that Salem would not be glad to learn that Ruby was (apparently) killed and Jinn\'s final question was used up by Cinder. So she covertly disposes of both Watts and Neo, who potentially could reveal those unpleasant facts to Salem, after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they are no longer useful to her]], and outright lies to Salem, putting the blame for both deeds onto Neo and the heroes respectively. The fact that she held a grudge against both of her \
to:
* TheyKnowTooMuch: Cinder knows that Salem would not be glad to learn that Ruby was (apparently) killed and Jinn\\\'s final question was used up by Cinder. So she covertly disposes of both Watts and Neo, who potentially could reveal those unpleasant facts to Salem, after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they are no longer useful to her]], and outright lies to Salem, putting the blame for both deeds onto Neo and the heroes respectively. The fact that she held a grudge against both of her \\\"companions\\\" just made the acts so much sweeter for her.
Cinder outright states to Neo that she shouldn\\\'t have betrayed her, when she \\\'kills\\\' Neo. All she says to Salem is that she destroyed the heroes\\\' creation by asking the Staff to add more fire to the existing fire. There\\\'s a screen cut to Watts trying to break out of the burning room he\\\'s in, and that\\\'s all.
So, interpreting both situations as Cinder being motivated to hide her lie by killing the two villains who could expose it, is not something the show claims. It\\\'s an interpretation -- a theory -- fans came up with.
A lot of the fandom took Cinder at her word for the reason why she killed Neo because Cinder is such a vengeful person who does turn on people who hurt or betray her. It\\\'s just another Tuesday for her.
By the same token, a lot of fans interpret the Watts situation as revenge for his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech a couple of episodes ago, and don\\\'t see anything other than that, especially since Watts and Cinder have always hated each other.
Other fans think it\\\'s both (vengefulness and covering her tracks).
While I \\\'\\\'personally\\\'\\\' agree that she\\\'s killing off the two villains to cover her tracks (I\\\'m in the \\\'it\\\'s both\\\' camp), the very fact that the fans have different interpretations for her motives shows how speculative this theory is.
Administrivia/SpeculativeTroping states that speculative troping shouldn\\\'t be done.
Cinder outright states to Neo that she shouldn\\\'t have betrayed her, when she \\\'kills\\\' Neo. All she says to Salem is that she destroyed the heroes\\\' creation by asking the Staff to add more fire to the existing fire. There\\\'s a screen cut to Watts trying to break out of the burning room he\\\'s in, and that\\\'s all.
So, interpreting both situations as Cinder being motivated to hide her lie by killing the two villains who could expose it, is not something the show claims. It\\\'s an interpretation -- a theory -- fans came up with.
A lot of the fandom took Cinder at her word for the reason why she killed Neo because Cinder is such a vengeful person who does turn on people who hurt or betray her. It\\\'s just another Tuesday for her.
By the same token, a lot of fans interpret the Watts situation as revenge for his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech a couple of episodes ago, and don\\\'t see anything other than that, especially since Watts and Cinder have always hated each other.
Other fans think it\\\'s both (vengefulness and covering her tracks).
While I \\\'\\\'personally\\\'\\\' agree that she\\\'s killing off the two villains to cover her tracks (I\\\'m in the \\\'it\\\'s both\\\' camp), the very fact that the fans have different interpretations for her motives shows how speculative this theory is.
Administrivia/SpeculativeTroping states that speculative troping shouldn\\\'t be done.
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* TheyKnowTooMuch: Cinder knows that Salem would not be glad to learn that Ruby was (apparently) killed and Jinn\'s final question was used up by Cinder. So she covertly disposes of both Watts and Neo, who potentially could reveal those unpleasant facts to Salem, after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they are no longer useful to her]], and outright lies to Salem, putting the blame for both deeds onto Neo and the heroes respectively. The fact that she held a grudge against both of her \
to:
* TheyKnowTooMuch: Cinder knows that Salem would not be glad to learn that Ruby was (apparently) killed and Jinn\\\'s final question was used up by Cinder. So she covertly disposes of both Watts and Neo, who potentially could reveal those unpleasant facts to Salem, after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they are no longer useful to her]], and outright lies to Salem, putting the blame for both deeds onto Neo and the heroes respectively. The fact that she held a grudge against both of her \\\"companions\\\" just made the acts so much sweeter for her.
Cinder outright states to Neo that she shouldn\\\'t have betrayed her, when she \\\'kills\\\' Neo. All she says to Salem is that she destroyed the heroes\\\' creation by asking the Staff to add more fire to the existing fire. There\\\'s a screen cut to Watts trying to break out of the burning room he\\\'s in, and that\\\'s all.
So, interpreting both situations as Cinder being motivated to hide her lie by killing the two villains who could expose it, is not something the show claims. It\\\'s an interpretation -- a theory -- fans came up with.
A lot of the fandom too Cinder at her word for the reason why she killed Neo because Cinder is such a vengeful person who does turn on people who hurt or betray her. It\\\'s just another Tuesday for her.
By the same token, a lot of fans interpret the Watts situation as revenge for his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech a couple of episodes ago, and don\\\'t see anything other than that, especially since Watts and Cinder have always hated each other.
Other fans think it\\\'s both (vengefulness and covering her tracks).
While I \\\'\\\'personally\\\'\\\' agree that she\\\'s killing off the two villains to cover her tracks (I\\\'m in the \\\'it\\\'s both\\\' camp), the very fact that the fans have different interpretations for her motives shows how speculative this theory is.
Administrivia/SpeculativeTroping states that speculative troping shouldn\\\'t be done.
Cinder outright states to Neo that she shouldn\\\'t have betrayed her, when she \\\'kills\\\' Neo. All she says to Salem is that she destroyed the heroes\\\' creation by asking the Staff to add more fire to the existing fire. There\\\'s a screen cut to Watts trying to break out of the burning room he\\\'s in, and that\\\'s all.
So, interpreting both situations as Cinder being motivated to hide her lie by killing the two villains who could expose it, is not something the show claims. It\\\'s an interpretation -- a theory -- fans came up with.
A lot of the fandom too Cinder at her word for the reason why she killed Neo because Cinder is such a vengeful person who does turn on people who hurt or betray her. It\\\'s just another Tuesday for her.
By the same token, a lot of fans interpret the Watts situation as revenge for his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech a couple of episodes ago, and don\\\'t see anything other than that, especially since Watts and Cinder have always hated each other.
Other fans think it\\\'s both (vengefulness and covering her tracks).
While I \\\'\\\'personally\\\'\\\' agree that she\\\'s killing off the two villains to cover her tracks (I\\\'m in the \\\'it\\\'s both\\\' camp), the very fact that the fans have different interpretations for her motives shows how speculative this theory is.
Administrivia/SpeculativeTroping states that speculative troping shouldn\\\'t be done.
