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Calling the relationship between Persephone and Hades \
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Calling the relationship between Persephone and Hades \\\"Loveless\\\" isn\\\'t just a reach, it\\\'s barely one step removed from being blatantly wrong. There\\\'s nothing in the game that supports the read that the relationship was loveless, and the game in fact makes quite the point that while they may not been the perfect couple, they did loved each other. Persephone is also shown explicitly happy to be back in the underground.
As for Zag and Meg, this feels like trying to portray Zagreus as some kind of abusive, violent boyfriend/husband, which seems to be entirely disregarding that : A) Zag fighting megara isn\\\'t an abusive boyfriend hitting his defenseless girlfriend, it\\\'s a escaped prisoner fighting a capable jailer that has refused peaceful outcomes, B)Their rekindled relationship is clearly consenting BDSM, which isn\\\'t abuse per se, C)by the time they rekindle their relationship, it might very well be \\\'\\\'their job\\\'\\\' to bludgeon each other, jobs they both engaged of their own will as responsible adults, and D) The game is very aware about the fact Greek mythos suffers from a lot of ValuesDissonance from today\\\'s standard (Elysium being for the Great, not for the Good, being a simple example) and doesn\\\'t try to whitewash it, so there\\\'s a precedent for the game depicting something despite not condoning it wholesale.
Unless sufficient elements can be brought up that the game is making a geniune case that people should take example wholesale on meg and zag and not just understand that they\\\'re fine as products of circumstances that are so far removed from reality they don\\\'t hold any kind of applicability beyond the broad themes (reconciliation exists and may be worth it, consensual BDSM is okay, and interacting with people in general is worth it), I\\\'m not buying the idea the toxicity claim holds any ground.
As for Zag and Meg, this feels like trying to portray Zagreus as some kind of abusive, violent boyfriend/husband, which seems to be entirely disregarding that : A) Zag fighting megara isn\\\'t an abusive boyfriend hitting his defenseless girlfriend, it\\\'s a escaped prisoner fighting a capable jailer that has refused peaceful outcomes, B)Their rekindled relationship is clearly consenting BDSM, which isn\\\'t abuse per se, C)by the time they rekindle their relationship, it might very well be \\\'\\\'their job\\\'\\\' to bludgeon each other, jobs they both engaged of their own will as responsible adults, and D) The game is very aware about the fact Greek mythos suffers from a lot of ValuesDissonance from today\\\'s standard (Elysium being for the Great, not for the Good, being a simple example) and doesn\\\'t try to whitewash it, so there\\\'s a precedent for the game depicting something despite not condoning it wholesale.
Unless sufficient elements can be brought up that the game is making a geniune case that people should take example wholesale on meg and zag and not just understand that they\\\'re fine as products of circumstances that are so far removed from reality they don\\\'t hold any kind of applicability beyond the broad themes (reconciliation exists and may be worth it, consensual BDSM is okay, and interacting with people in general is worth it), I\\\'m not buying the idea the toxicity claim holds any ground.
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Calling the relationship between Persephone and Hades \
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Calling the relationship between Persephone and Hades \\\"Loveless\\\" isn\\\'t just a reach, it\\\'s barely one step removed from being blatantly wrong. There\\\'s nothing in the game that supports the read that the relationship was loveless, and the game in fact makes quite the point that while they may not been the perfect couple, they did loved each other. Persephone is also shown explicitly happy to be back in the underground.
As for Zag and Meg, this feels like trying to portray Zagreus as some kind of abusive, violent boyfriend/husband, which seems to be entirely disregarding that : A) Zag fighting megara isn\\\'t an abusive boyfriend hitting his defenseless girlfriend, it\\\'s a escaped prisoner fighting a capable jailer that has refused peaceful outcomes, B)Their rekindled relationship is clearly consenting BDSM, which isn\\\'t abuse per se, C)by the time they rekindle their relationship, it might very well be \\\'\\\'their job\\\'\\\' to bludgeon each other, jobs they both engaged of their own will as responsible adults, and D) The game is very aware about the fact Greek mythos suffers from a lot of ValuesDissonance from today\\\'s standard (Elysium being for the Great, not for the Good, being a simple example) and doesn\\\'t try to whitewash it, so there\\\'s a precedent for the game depicting something despite not condoning it wholesale.
Unless sufficient elements can be brought up that the game is making a geniune case that people should take example wholesale on meg and zag and not just understand that they\\\'re fine as products of circumstances that are so far removed from reality they don\\\'t hold any kind of applicability beyond the broad themes (reconciliation existsn and may be worth it, consensual BDSM is okay, and interacting with people in general is worth it), I\\\'m not buying the idea the toxicity claim holds any ground.
As for Zag and Meg, this feels like trying to portray Zagreus as some kind of abusive, violent boyfriend/husband, which seems to be entirely disregarding that : A) Zag fighting megara isn\\\'t an abusive boyfriend hitting his defenseless girlfriend, it\\\'s a escaped prisoner fighting a capable jailer that has refused peaceful outcomes, B)Their rekindled relationship is clearly consenting BDSM, which isn\\\'t abuse per se, C)by the time they rekindle their relationship, it might very well be \\\'\\\'their job\\\'\\\' to bludgeon each other, jobs they both engaged of their own will as responsible adults, and D) The game is very aware about the fact Greek mythos suffers from a lot of ValuesDissonance from today\\\'s standard (Elysium being for the Great, not for the Good, being a simple example) and doesn\\\'t try to whitewash it, so there\\\'s a precedent for the game depicting something despite not condoning it wholesale.
Unless sufficient elements can be brought up that the game is making a geniune case that people should take example wholesale on meg and zag and not just understand that they\\\'re fine as products of circumstances that are so far removed from reality they don\\\'t hold any kind of applicability beyond the broad themes (reconciliation existsn and may be worth it, consensual BDSM is okay, and interacting with people in general is worth it), I\\\'m not buying the idea the toxicity claim holds any ground.
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Calling the relationship between Persephone and Hades \
to:
Calling the relationship between Persephone and Hades \\\"Loveless\\\" isn\\\'t just a reach, it\\\'s barely one step removed from being blatantly wrong. There\\\'s nothing in the game that supports the read that the relationship was loveless, and the game in fact makes quite the point that while they may not been the perfect couple, they did loved each other. Persephone is also shown explicitly happy to be back in the underground.
As for Zag and Meg, this feels like trying to portray Zagreus as some kind of abusive, violent boyfriend/husband, which seems to be entirely disregarding that : A) Zag fighting megara isn\\\'t an abusive boyfriend hitting his defenseless girlfriend, it\\\'s a escaped prisoner fighting a capable jailer that has refused peaceful outcomes, B)Their rekindled relationship is clearly consenting BDSM, which isn\\\'t abuse per se, C)by the time they rekindle their relationship, it might very well be \\\'\\\'their job\\\'\\\' to bludgeon each other, jobs they both engaged of their own will as responsible adults, and D) The game is very aware about the fact Greek mythos suffers from a lot of ValuesDissonance from today\\\'s standard (Elysium being for the Great, not for the Good, being a simple example) and doesn\\\'t try to whitewash it, so there\\\'s a precedent for the game depicting something despite not condoning it wholesale.
Unless sufficient elements can be brought up that the game is making a geniune case that people should take example wholesale on meg and zag and not just understand that they\\\'re fine as products of circumstances that are so far removed from reality they don\\\'t hold any kind of applicability beyond the broad themes (reconciliation can happen and may be worth it, consensual BDSM is okay, and interacting with people in general is worht it), I\\\'m not buying the idea the toxicity claim holds any ground.
As for Zag and Meg, this feels like trying to portray Zagreus as some kind of abusive, violent boyfriend/husband, which seems to be entirely disregarding that : A) Zag fighting megara isn\\\'t an abusive boyfriend hitting his defenseless girlfriend, it\\\'s a escaped prisoner fighting a capable jailer that has refused peaceful outcomes, B)Their rekindled relationship is clearly consenting BDSM, which isn\\\'t abuse per se, C)by the time they rekindle their relationship, it might very well be \\\'\\\'their job\\\'\\\' to bludgeon each other, jobs they both engaged of their own will as responsible adults, and D) The game is very aware about the fact Greek mythos suffers from a lot of ValuesDissonance from today\\\'s standard (Elysium being for the Great, not for the Good, being a simple example) and doesn\\\'t try to whitewash it, so there\\\'s a precedent for the game depicting something despite not condoning it wholesale.
Unless sufficient elements can be brought up that the game is making a geniune case that people should take example wholesale on meg and zag and not just understand that they\\\'re fine as products of circumstances that are so far removed from reality they don\\\'t hold any kind of applicability beyond the broad themes (reconciliation can happen and may be worth it, consensual BDSM is okay, and interacting with people in general is worht it), I\\\'m not buying the idea the toxicity claim holds any ground.
Changed line(s) 1 from:
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Calling the relationship between Persephone and Hades \
to:
Calling the relationship between Persephone and Hades \\\"Loveless\\\" isn\\\'t just a reach, it\\\'s barely one step removed from being blatantly wrong. There\\\'s nothing in the game that supports the read that the relationship was loveless, and the game in fact makes quite the point that while they may not been the perfect couple, they did loved each other. Persephone is also shown explicitly happy to be back in the underground.
As for Zag and Meg, this feels like trying to portray Zagreus as some kind of abusive, violent boyfriend/husband, which seems to be entirely disregarding that : A) Zag fighting megara isn\\\'t an abusive boyfriend hitting his defenseless girlfriend, it\\\'s a escaped prisoner fighting a capable jailer that has refused peaceful outcomes, B)Their rekindled relationship is clearly consenting BDSM, which isn\\\'t abuse per se, C)by the time they rekindle their relationship, it might very well be \\\'\\\'their job\\\'\\\' to bludgeon each other, jobs they both engaged of their own will as responsible adults, and D) The game is very aware about the fact Greek mythos suffers from a lot of ValuesDissonance from today\\\'s standard (Elysium being for the Great, not for the Good, being a simple example) and doesn\\\'t try to whitewash it, so there\\\'s a precedent for the game depicting something despite not condoning it wholesale.
Unless sufficient elements can be brought up that the game is making a geniune case that people should take example wholesale on meg and zag and not just understand that they\\\'re fine as products of circumstances that are so far removed from reality they don\\\'t hold any kind of applicability beyond the broad themes of reconciliation and dialogue, I\\\'m not buying the idea the toxicity claim holds any ground.
As for Zag and Meg, this feels like trying to portray Zagreus as some kind of abusive, violent boyfriend/husband, which seems to be entirely disregarding that : A) Zag fighting megara isn\\\'t an abusive boyfriend hitting his defenseless girlfriend, it\\\'s a escaped prisoner fighting a capable jailer that has refused peaceful outcomes, B)Their rekindled relationship is clearly consenting BDSM, which isn\\\'t abuse per se, C)by the time they rekindle their relationship, it might very well be \\\'\\\'their job\\\'\\\' to bludgeon each other, jobs they both engaged of their own will as responsible adults, and D) The game is very aware about the fact Greek mythos suffers from a lot of ValuesDissonance from today\\\'s standard (Elysium being for the Great, not for the Good, being a simple example) and doesn\\\'t try to whitewash it, so there\\\'s a precedent for the game depicting something despite not condoning it wholesale.
Unless sufficient elements can be brought up that the game is making a geniune case that people should take example wholesale on meg and zag and not just understand that they\\\'re fine as products of circumstances that are so far removed from reality they don\\\'t hold any kind of applicability beyond the broad themes of reconciliation and dialogue, I\\\'m not buying the idea the toxicity claim holds any ground.
