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\\\"reason: Shampoo makes no pretenses about her murderous nature, but is manipulative, and generally acts upbeat and affectionate (which at least is enough for many fans to somehow not notice), whereas Kodachi is always openly psycho.\\\"
That there are fans who gloss over Shampoo\\\'s... shall we say, less attractive character traits... is quite true, but I don\\\'t see how that makes her a [=~Bitch In Sheep\\\'s Clothing~=] in series \\\'\\\'canon\\\'\\\'. I mean, there aren\\\'t many characters who \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' attract some level of FanDumb. WordOfGod calls her \\\"Innocent and Aggressive,\\\" which I think goes against that implication of intentional deceitfulness. Kodachi, meanwhile, definitely puts on airs of being TheOjou -- it\\\'s just that nobody buys it, and she can switch gears into open psychosis in the space of a few milliseconds.
I don\\\'t feel very strongly over the characters, (neither of them are my favorites but they aren\\\'t my least favorites either) but I do think that\\\'s reasonable. Would you be willing to compromise (like include either both or neither) or put it up for a vote or something?
{{antvasima}}: Well, it\\\'s not really anything beyond being strongly anal-retentive for me either (beyond the cases when I seem to preceive some very unsavory attitude in the real-world type of persons who harbours a certain view). As for Shampoo, the thing isn\\\'t that she personally sees any conflict between being happy-go-lucky and a casual assassin (in fact someone without a trace of conscience will usually more easily turn happy than one burdened with it), or makes any excuses about being a warrior amazon. It\\\'s that for an onlooker it\\\'s usually very hard to associate the general image of a bubbly, voluptous, cuddly, romantic, and affectionate teenage girl quite at peace with herself, with a manipulative, bullying, brainwashing, conceited, sadistic, casual assassin, rather than someone like Mihoshi.
And then there is the additional footnote that she really does manipulate Ranma or use subterfuge when convenient (instant Jusenkyo powder story, first Taro story, first Hinako arc, the Pink&Link chapters). The \\\"innocent & aggressive\\\" comes from the German memorial book reprint. I don\\\'t know if it\\\'s from Takahashi herself, but I see it more as a short&sweet of that seeming dichotomy.
Still, I suppose that it\\\'s debatable whether she should be included or not, so I\\\'ll remove it unless someone else thinks it\\\'s better to keep it. I thought it was simply about generally looking harmless enough, but really being ruthless and dangerous. Kodachi is definitely a worse fit though, since she always looks completely unhinged.
\\\"reason: Shampoo makes no pretenses about her murderous nature, but is manipulative, and generally acts upbeat and affectionate (which at least is enough for many fans to somehow not notice), whereas Kodachi is always openly psycho.\\\"
That there are fans who gloss over Shampoo\\\'s... shall we say, less attractive character traits... is quite true, but I don\\\'t see how that makes her a [=~Bitch In Sheep\\\'s Clothing~=] in series \\\'\\\'canon\\\'\\\'. I mean, there aren\\\'t many characters who \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' attract some level of FanDumb. WordOfGod calls her \\\"Innocent and Aggressive,\\\" which I think goes against that implication of intentional deceitfulness. Kodachi, meanwhile, definitely puts on airs of being TheOjou -- it\\\'s just that nobody buys it, and she can switch gears into open psychosis in the space of a few milliseconds.
I don\\\'t feel very strongly over the characters, (neither of them are my favorites but they aren\\\'t my least favorites either) but I do think that\\\'s reasonable. Would you be willing to compromise (like include either both or neither) or put it up for a vote or something?
{{antvasima}}: Well, it\\\'s not really anything beyond being strongly anal-retentive for me either (beyond the cases when I seem to preceive some very unsavory attitude in the real-world type of persons who harbours a certain view). As for Shampoo, the thing isn\\\'t that she personally sees any conflict between being happy-go-lucky and a casual assassin (in fact someone without a trace of conscience will usually more easily turn happy than one burdened with it), or makes any excuses about being a warrior amazon. It\\\'s that for an onlooker it\\\'s usually very hard to associate the general image of a bubbly, voluptous, cuddly, romantic, and affectionate teenage girl quite at peace with herself, with a manipulative, bullying, brainwashing, conceited, sadistic, casual assassin, rather than someone like Mihoshi.
And then there is the additional footnote that she really does manipulate Ranma or use subterfuge when convenient (instant Jusenkyo powder story, first Taro story, first Hinako arc, the Pink&Link chapters). The \\\"innocent & aggressive\\\" comes from the German memorial book reprint. I don\\\'t know if it\\\'s from Takahashi herself, but I see it more as a short&sweet of that seeming dichotomy.
Still, I suppose that it\\\'s debatable whether she should be included or not, so I\\\'ll remove it unless someone else thinks it\\\'s better to keep it. I thought it was simply about generally looking harmless enough, but really being ruthless and dangerous. Kodachi is definitely a worse fit though, since she always looks completely unhinged.
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\\\"reason: Shampoo makes no pretenses about her murderous nature, but is manipulative, and generally acts upbeat and affectionate (which at least is enough for many fans to somehow not notice), whereas Kodachi is always openly psycho.\\\"
That there are fans who gloss over Shampoo\\\'s... shall we say, less attractive character traits... is quite true, but I don\\\'t see how that makes her a [=~Bitch In Sheep\\\'s Clothing~=] in series \\\'\\\'canon\\\'\\\'. I mean, there aren\\\'t many characters who \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' attract some level of FanDumb. WordOfGod calls her \\\"Innocent and Aggressive,\\\" which I think goes against that implication of intentional deceitfulness. Kodachi, meanwhile, definitely puts on airs of being TheOjou -- it\\\'s just that nobody buys it, and she can switch gears into open psychosis in the space of a few milliseconds.
I don\\\'t feel very strongly over the characters, (neither of them are my favorites but they aren\\\'t my least favorites either) but I do think that\\\'s reasonable. Would you be willing to compromise (like include either both or neither) or put it up for a vote or something?
antvasima: Well, it\\\'s not really anything beyond being strongly anal-retentive for me either. As for Shampoo, the thing isn\\\'t that she personally sees any conflict between being happy-go-lucky and a casual assassin (in fact someone without a trace of conscience will usually more easily turn happy than one burdened with it), or makes any excuses about being a warrior amazon. It\\\'s that for an onlooker it\\\'s usually very hard to associate the general image of a bubbly, voluptous, cuddly, romantic, and affectionate teenage girl quite at peace with herself, with a manipulative, bullying, brainwashing, conceited, sadistic, casual assassin, rather than someone like Mihoshi.
And then there is the additional footnote that she really does manipulate Ranma or use subterfuge when convenient (instant Jusenkyo powder story, first Taro story, first Hinako arc, the Pink&Link chapters). The \\\"innocent & aggressive\\\" comes from the German memorial book reprint. I don\\\'t know if it\\\'s from Takahashi herself, but I see it more as a short&sweet of that seeming dichotomy.
Still, I suppose that it\\\'s debatable whether she should be included or not, so I\\\'ll remove it unless someone else thinks it\\\'s better to keep it. I thought it was simply about generally looking harmless enough, but really being ruthless and dangerous. Kodachi is definitely a worse fit though, since she always looks completely unhinged.
\\\"reason: Shampoo makes no pretenses about her murderous nature, but is manipulative, and generally acts upbeat and affectionate (which at least is enough for many fans to somehow not notice), whereas Kodachi is always openly psycho.\\\"
That there are fans who gloss over Shampoo\\\'s... shall we say, less attractive character traits... is quite true, but I don\\\'t see how that makes her a [=~Bitch In Sheep\\\'s Clothing~=] in series \\\'\\\'canon\\\'\\\'. I mean, there aren\\\'t many characters who \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' attract some level of FanDumb. WordOfGod calls her \\\"Innocent and Aggressive,\\\" which I think goes against that implication of intentional deceitfulness. Kodachi, meanwhile, definitely puts on airs of being TheOjou -- it\\\'s just that nobody buys it, and she can switch gears into open psychosis in the space of a few milliseconds.
I don\\\'t feel very strongly over the characters, (neither of them are my favorites but they aren\\\'t my least favorites either) but I do think that\\\'s reasonable. Would you be willing to compromise (like include either both or neither) or put it up for a vote or something?
antvasima: Well, it\\\'s not really anything beyond being strongly anal-retentive for me either. As for Shampoo, the thing isn\\\'t that she personally sees any conflict between being happy-go-lucky and a casual assassin (in fact someone without a trace of conscience will usually more easily turn happy than one burdened with it), or makes any excuses about being a warrior amazon. It\\\'s that for an onlooker it\\\'s usually very hard to associate the general image of a bubbly, voluptous, cuddly, romantic, and affectionate teenage girl quite at peace with herself, with a manipulative, bullying, brainwashing, conceited, sadistic, casual assassin, rather than someone like Mihoshi.
And then there is the additional footnote that she really does manipulate Ranma or use subterfuge when convenient (instant Jusenkyo powder story, first Taro story, first Hinako arc, the Pink&Link chapters). The \\\"innocent & aggressive\\\" comes from the German memorial book reprint. I don\\\'t know if it\\\'s from Takahashi herself, but I see it more as a short&sweet of that seeming dichotomy.
Still, I suppose that it\\\'s debatable whether she should be included or not, so I\\\'ll remove it unless someone else thinks it\\\'s better to keep it. I thought it was simply about generally looking harmless enough, but really being ruthless and dangerous. Kodachi is definitely a worse fit though, since she always looks completely unhinged.
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\\\"reason: Shampoo makes no pretenses about her murderous nature, but is manipulative, and generally acts upbeat and affectionate (which at least is enough for many fans to somehow not notice), whereas Kodachi is always openly psycho.\\\"
That there are fans who gloss over Shampoo\\\'s... shall we say, less attractive character traits... is quite true, but I don\\\'t see how that makes her a [=~Bitch In Sheep\\\'s Clothing~=] in series \\\'\\\'canon\\\'\\\'. I mean, there aren\\\'t many characters who \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' attract some level of FanDumb. WordOfGod calls her \\\"Innocent and Aggressive,\\\" which I think goes against that implication of intentional deceitfulness. Kodachi, meanwhile, definitely puts on airs of being TheOjou -- it\\\'s just that nobody buys it, and she can switch gears into open psychosis in the space of a few milliseconds.
I don\\\'t feel very strongly over the characters, (neither of them are my favorites but they aren\\\'t my least favorites either) but I do think that\\\'s reasonable. Would you be willing to compromise (like include either both or neither) or put it up for a vote or something?
\\\"reason: Shampoo makes no pretenses about her murderous nature, but is manipulative, and generally acts upbeat and affectionate (which at least is enough for many fans to somehow not notice), whereas Kodachi is always openly psycho.\\\"
That there are fans who gloss over Shampoo\\\'s... shall we say, less attractive character traits... is quite true, but I don\\\'t see how that makes her a [=~Bitch In Sheep\\\'s Clothing~=] in series \\\'\\\'canon\\\'\\\'. I mean, there aren\\\'t many characters who \\\'\\\'don\\\'t\\\'\\\' attract some level of FanDumb. WordOfGod calls her \\\"Innocent and Aggressive,\\\" which I think goes against that implication of intentional deceitfulness. Kodachi, meanwhile, definitely puts on airs of being TheOjou -- it\\\'s just that nobody buys it, and she can switch gears into open psychosis in the space of a few milliseconds.
I don\\\'t feel very strongly over the characters, (neither of them are my favorites but they aren\\\'t my least favorites either) but I do think that\\\'s reasonable. Would you be willing to compromise (like include either both or neither) or put it up for a vote or something?
