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Does anybody remember the context for the conversation the party can have that makes Queen Elizant II laugh? I added the example on her character profile with some minor details, but it would be better if the context for the conversation was there.
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Does anybody remember the context for the conversation the party can have that makes Queen Elizant II laugh? I added the example on her character profile with some minor details, but it would be better if the context for the conversation was there.
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I agree that the trope specification is so broad strokes that generally any story that involves having some kind of \
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I agree that the trope specification is so broad strokes that generally any story that involves having some kind of \\\"thing\\\" that makes a character \\\"different\\\" can be mapped onto this trope. As I said earlier, feeling that one is apart from society is a common experience in queer culture but it is not exclusive to queer culture.
I don\\\'t really think this is purely an \\\"audience reaction\\\" trope given that it lists 10 bullet items that are tied to the story-telling itself.
I\\\'ve also never viewed a YMMV trope giving carte blanche to anyone\\\'s opinion so that as long a one person can say it reminds them of their experience it\\\'s a valid example regardless of how well it actually fits the story or was intended.
I tend to see it as more like AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. The new interpretation may be different than the most likely presentation of the character made in the story, but you are expected to point out the ambiguities in the character that allow for the alternate interpretation. In other words, there\\\'s a sense of wiggle room in what\\\'s presented in the story and not just personal opinion.
In this case, the example claims that the story has \\\"Miles initially trying to ignore his new abilities being eerily similar to the denial and internalized hate many queer people feel\\\". That just doesn\\\'t fit what happens in the film. While Miles does initially (and superficially) \\\"blame\\\" puberty for his new experiences, that quickly folds and I never see anything resembling \\\"internalized hate\\\".
I could maybe see keeping the example in the list provided it\\\'s reworded so that the claim that it takes RainbowLens \\\"up to eleven\\\" is removed. That implies that the interpretation being presented is rock-solid which is not the case.
I would propose this...
* [[{{Applicability}} Some have chosen to read]] the basic storyline of \\\'\\\'Franchise/SpiderMan\\\'\\\' as having a resonance with the teenage queer experience of hiding a part of your identity from those around you. As such some have interpreted aspects of \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse\\\'\\\' as demonstrating this trope. They see Miles struggling to come to terms with his new abilities being similar to the way many queer people feel when realizing their sexuality. They see the spider-people sensing others like them as an allusion to \\\'gaydar,\\\' and Miles asking his father if he really hates Spider-Man being like when queer people often ask their families how they really feel about LGBTQ+ people and issues before coming out.
In re-reading the above, it stands out how much of a stretch it is tying the trope to the movie. It really feels like willfully choosing to interpret things from the movie under the Rainbow-Lens regardless of what the movie is trying to say. I\\\'m still more inclined to just remove the example entirely.
Feedback welcome...
I don\\\'t really think this is purely an \\\"audience reaction\\\" trope given that it lists 10 bullet items that are tied to the story-telling itself.
I\\\'ve also never viewed a YMMV trope giving carte blanche to anyone\\\'s opinion so that as long a one person can say it reminds them of their experience it\\\'s a valid example regardless of how well it actually fits the story or was intended.
I tend to see it as more like AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. The new interpretation may be different than the most likely presentation of the character made in the story, but you are expected to point out the ambiguities in the character that allow for the alternate interpretation. In other words, there\\\'s a sense of wiggle room in what\\\'s presented in the story and not just personal opinion.
In this case, the example claims that the story has \\\"Miles initially trying to ignore his new abilities being eerily similar to the denial and internalized hate many queer people feel\\\". That just doesn\\\'t fit what happens in the film. While Miles does initially (and superficially) \\\"blame\\\" puberty for his new experiences, that quickly folds and I never see anything resembling \\\"internalized hate\\\".
I could maybe see keeping the example in the list provided it\\\'s reworded so that the claim that it takes RainbowLens \\\"up to eleven\\\" is removed. That implies that the interpretation being presented is rock-solid which is not the case.
I would propose this...
* [[{{Applicability}} Some have chosen to read]] the basic storyline of \\\'\\\'Franchise/SpiderMan\\\'\\\' as having a resonance with the teenage queer experience of hiding a part of your identity from those around you. As such some have interpreted aspects of \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse\\\'\\\' as demonstrating this trope. They see Miles struggling to come to terms with his new abilities being similar to the way many queer people feel when realizing their sexuality. They see the spider-people sensing others like them as an allusion to \\\'gaydar,\\\' and Miles asking his father if he really hates Spider-Man being like when queer people often ask their families how they really feel about LGBTQ+ people and issues before coming out.
In re-reading the above, it stands out how much of a stretch it is tying the trope to the movie. It really feels like willfully choosing to interpret things from the movie under the Rainbow-Lens regardless of what the movie is trying to say. I\\\'m still more inclined to just remove the example entirely.
Feedback welcome...
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I agree that the trope specification is so broad strokes that generally any story that involves having some kind of \
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I agree that the trope specification is so broad strokes that generally any story that involves having some kind of \\\"thing\\\" that makes a character \\\"different\\\" can be mapped onto this trope. As I said earlier, feeling that one is apart from society is a common experience in queer culture but it is not exclusive to queer culture.
I don\\\'t really think this is purely an \\\"audience reaction\\\" trope given that it lists 10 bullet items that are tied to the story-telling itself.
I\\\'ve also never viewed a YMMV trope giving carte blanche to anyone\\\'s opinion so that as long a one person can say it reminds them of their experience it\\\'s a valid example regardless of how well it actually fits the story or was intended.
I tend to see it as more like AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. The new interpretation may be different than the most likely presentation of the character made in the story, but you are expected to point out the ambiguities in the character that allow for the alternate interpretation. In other words, there\\\'s a sense of wiggle room in what\\\'s presented in the story and not just personal opinion.
In this case, the example claims that the story has \\\"Miles initially trying to ignore his new abilities being eerily similar to the denial and internalized hate many queer people feel\\\". That just doesn\\\'t fit what happens in the film. While Miles does initially (and superficially) \\\"blame\\\" puberty for his new experiences, that quickly folds and I never see anything resembling \\\"internalized hate\\\".
I could maybe see keeping the example in the list provided it\\\'s reworded so that the claim that it takes RainbowLens \\\"up to eleven\\\" is removed. That implies that the interpretation being presented is rock-solid which is not the case.
I would propose this...
* [[{{Applicability}} Some have chosen to read]] the basic storyline of \\\'\\\'Franchise/SpiderMan\\\'\\\' as having a resonance with the teenage queer experience of hiding a part of your identity from those around you. As such some have interpreted aspects of \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse\\\'\\\' as demonstrating this trope. They see Miles struggling to come to terms with his new abilities being eerily similar to the way many queer people feel when realizing their sexuality. They see the spider-people sensing others like them as an allusion to \\\'gaydar,\\\' and Miles asking his father if he really hates Spider-Man being like when queer people often ask their families how they really feel about LGBTQ+ people and issues before coming out.
In re-reading the above, it stands out how much of a stretch it is tying the trope to the movie. It really feels like willfully choosing to interpret things from the movie under the Rainbow-Lens regardless of what the movie is trying to say. I\\\'m still more inclined to just remove the example entirely.
Feedback welcome...
I don\\\'t really think this is purely an \\\"audience reaction\\\" trope given that it lists 10 bullet items that are tied to the story-telling itself.
I\\\'ve also never viewed a YMMV trope giving carte blanche to anyone\\\'s opinion so that as long a one person can say it reminds them of their experience it\\\'s a valid example regardless of how well it actually fits the story or was intended.
I tend to see it as more like AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. The new interpretation may be different than the most likely presentation of the character made in the story, but you are expected to point out the ambiguities in the character that allow for the alternate interpretation. In other words, there\\\'s a sense of wiggle room in what\\\'s presented in the story and not just personal opinion.
In this case, the example claims that the story has \\\"Miles initially trying to ignore his new abilities being eerily similar to the denial and internalized hate many queer people feel\\\". That just doesn\\\'t fit what happens in the film. While Miles does initially (and superficially) \\\"blame\\\" puberty for his new experiences, that quickly folds and I never see anything resembling \\\"internalized hate\\\".
I could maybe see keeping the example in the list provided it\\\'s reworded so that the claim that it takes RainbowLens \\\"up to eleven\\\" is removed. That implies that the interpretation being presented is rock-solid which is not the case.
I would propose this...
* [[{{Applicability}} Some have chosen to read]] the basic storyline of \\\'\\\'Franchise/SpiderMan\\\'\\\' as having a resonance with the teenage queer experience of hiding a part of your identity from those around you. As such some have interpreted aspects of \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse\\\'\\\' as demonstrating this trope. They see Miles struggling to come to terms with his new abilities being eerily similar to the way many queer people feel when realizing their sexuality. They see the spider-people sensing others like them as an allusion to \\\'gaydar,\\\' and Miles asking his father if he really hates Spider-Man being like when queer people often ask their families how they really feel about LGBTQ+ people and issues before coming out.
In re-reading the above, it stands out how much of a stretch it is tying the trope to the movie. It really feels like willfully choosing to interpret things from the movie under the Rainbow-Lens regardless of what the movie is trying to say. I\\\'m still more inclined to just remove the example entirely.
Feedback welcome...
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I agree that the trope specification is so broad strokes that generally any story that involves having some kind of \
to:
I agree that the trope specification is so broad strokes that generally any story that involves having some kind of \\\"thing\\\" that makes a character \\\"different\\\" can be mapped onto this trope. As I said earlier, feeling that one is apart from society is a common experience in queer culture but it is not exclusive to queer culture.
I don\\\'t really think this is purely an \\\"audience reaction\\\" trope given that it lists 10 bullet items that are tied to the story-telling itself.
I\\\'ve also never viewed a YMMV trope giving carte blanche to anyone\\\'s opinion so that as long a one person can say it reminds them of their experience it\\\'s a valid example regardless of how well it actually fits the story or was intended.
I tend to see it as more like AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. The new interpretation may be different than the most likely presentation of the character made in the story, but you are expected to point out the ambiguities in the character that allow for the alternate interpretation. In other words, there\\\'s a sense of wiggle room in what\\\'s presented in the story and not just personal opinion.
In this case, the example claims that the story has \\\"Miles initially trying to ignore his new abilities being eerily similar to the denial and internalized hate many queer people feel\\\". That just doesn\\\'t fit what happens in the film. While Miles does initially (and superficially) \\\"blame\\\" puberty for his new experiences, that quickly folds and I never see anything resembling \\\"internalized hate\\\".
I could maybe see keeping the example in the list provided it\\\'s reworded so that the claim that it takes RainbowLens \\\"up to eleven\\\" is removed. That implies that the interpretation being presented is rock-solid which is not the case.
I would propose this...
* [[{{Applicability}} Some have chosen to read]] the basic storyline of \\\'\\\'Franchise/SpiderMan\\\'\\\' as having a resonance with the teenage queer experience of hiding a part of your identity from those around you. As such some have interpreted aspects of \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse\\\'\\\' as demonstrating this trope. They see Miles struggling to come to terms with his new abilities being eerily similar to the way many queer people feel when realizing their sexuality. They see the spider-people sensing others like them as an allusion to \\\'gaydar,\\\' and Miles asking his father if he really hates Spider-Man being like when queer people often ask their families how they really feel about LGBTQ+ people and issues before coming out.
In re-reading the above, it really stands out how much of a stretch it is tying the trope to the movie. It really feels like willfully choosing to interpret things from the movie under the Rainbow-Lens regardless of what the movie is trying to say. I\\\'m still more inclined to just remove the example entirely.
Feedback welcome...
I don\\\'t really think this is purely an \\\"audience reaction\\\" trope given that it lists 10 bullet items that are tied to the story-telling itself.
I\\\'ve also never viewed a YMMV trope giving carte blanche to anyone\\\'s opinion so that as long a one person can say it reminds them of their experience it\\\'s a valid example regardless of how well it actually fits the story or was intended.
I tend to see it as more like AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. The new interpretation may be different than the most likely presentation of the character made in the story, but you are expected to point out the ambiguities in the character that allow for the alternate interpretation. In other words, there\\\'s a sense of wiggle room in what\\\'s presented in the story and not just personal opinion.
In this case, the example claims that the story has \\\"Miles initially trying to ignore his new abilities being eerily similar to the denial and internalized hate many queer people feel\\\". That just doesn\\\'t fit what happens in the film. While Miles does initially (and superficially) \\\"blame\\\" puberty for his new experiences, that quickly folds and I never see anything resembling \\\"internalized hate\\\".
I could maybe see keeping the example in the list provided it\\\'s reworded so that the claim that it takes RainbowLens \\\"up to eleven\\\" is removed. That implies that the interpretation being presented is rock-solid which is not the case.
I would propose this...
* [[{{Applicability}} Some have chosen to read]] the basic storyline of \\\'\\\'Franchise/SpiderMan\\\'\\\' as having a resonance with the teenage queer experience of hiding a part of your identity from those around you. As such some have interpreted aspects of \\\'\\\'WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse\\\'\\\' as demonstrating this trope. They see Miles struggling to come to terms with his new abilities being eerily similar to the way many queer people feel when realizing their sexuality. They see the spider-people sensing others like them as an allusion to \\\'gaydar,\\\' and Miles asking his father if he really hates Spider-Man being like when queer people often ask their families how they really feel about LGBTQ+ people and issues before coming out.
In re-reading the above, it really stands out how much of a stretch it is tying the trope to the movie. It really feels like willfully choosing to interpret things from the movie under the Rainbow-Lens regardless of what the movie is trying to say. I\\\'m still more inclined to just remove the example entirely.
Feedback welcome...
