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\\\"Smorg, the Chapter 6 boss, was originally supposed to be something that Beldam summoned to hinder Mario, but this was cut for some reason, leading to it just being some random menace that showed up to stop the train at Riverside Station and hitched a ride while it was stuck there.\\\"
Actually, it is implied in the game that the Shadow Sirens are responsible for Smorg. Just before you enter Riverside Station, the conductor says that he saw a \\\"suspicious-looking, shadowy person wearing a hat enter the station\\\" and that \\\"he must\\\'ve gone down to the bridge-control room to flip the switch there...\\\"
Actually, it is implied in the game that the Shadow Sirens are responsible for Smorg. Just before you enter Riverside Station, the conductor says that he saw a \\\"suspicious-looking, shadowy person wearing a hat enter the station\\\" and that \\\"he must\\\'ve gone down to the bridge-control room to flip the switch there...\\\"
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> Heres the problem. Your main proof is Framework!Ward having lived differently that reality Ward. Except the main point. He didn't. Framework!Ward is not an alternate version of Ward. He was computer code written to serve a function.
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Except that they did live the same life until he ended up in jail. At which point he met Victoria Hand instead of Garrett. And even then, I argue that you may be right about Framework!Ward not being Ward/being just a computer program, because reality Ward is dead. That is not the case with
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> Heres the problem. Your main proof is Framework!Ward having lived differently that reality Ward. Except the main point. He didn\'t. Framework!Ward is not an alternate version of Ward. He was computer code written to serve a function.
Except that they did live the same life until he ended up in jail. At which point he met Victoria Hand instead of Garrett. And even then, I argue that you may be right about Framework!Ward not being Ward/being just a computer program, because reality Ward is dead. That is not the case with \"Framework!Fitz\" and \"realFitz\". The two are the same person, just different personalities because of different memories of their life, and the proof lies in the fact that if one dies, so does the other.
> Also moral dissonance would be treating Ward and Fitz differently for doing the same thing. Except they did not. Fitz never made a choice. Had no option. Ward not only had choices , but multiple options. He could have accepted punishment, could have accepted that he did bad things by choice. He had choice. Framework! Ward did not and neither did Framework!Fitz.
First off, MoralDissonance is saying you believe in one thing but then doing another. Even if Framework!Ward didn\'t have a choice, Framework!Fitz did have a choice, since he is realFitz. He had a choice to not pull the trigger on Agnes, he had the choice to not torture Inhumans, he had the choice to not kill Mace, and yet he chose to do all those things.
> SHIELD are not hypocrites for dealing with an unrepentant terrorist who literally blamed everyone else for his actions including torture of Simmons as not his fault. In the end the moment he betrayed SHIELD, killed multiple agents and tried to kill Fitzsimmons. Was the moment he was treated accordingly as a terrorist and traitor.
Except they are hypocrites. Not for the above; they are hypocrites for saying to their enemies that the life you live does not define who you are and the choices you make, but then, when their friend lives a bad life and makes bad choices because of it, do a complete reversal and say that he is not at fault because his life affected what choices he chose to make (therefore arguing that the life you live does indeed affect the choice people make).
> As such they treated him as such because thats was what he was and acted as. They treated Fitz as a victim because unlike Ward he had no choice
No, by the team\'s own philosophies, Fitz was not a victim. He and the team constantly say that if they lived bad lives they would still turn out to be good people (and argue that they did), because they made the choice to not let their lives affect their decisions. Yet when they have that theory disproven in the Framework, and are shown that, under different circumstances, they would have turned out exactly like Ward, their go-to defense is that none of them are at fault because their life affected their decisions, which is the complete opposite of what they initially argued.
Except that they did live the same life until he ended up in jail. At which point he met Victoria Hand instead of Garrett. And even then, I argue that you may be right about Framework!Ward not being Ward/being just a computer program, because reality Ward is dead. That is not the case with \"Framework!Fitz\" and \"realFitz\". The two are the same person, just different personalities because of different memories of their life, and the proof lies in the fact that if one dies, so does the other.
> Also moral dissonance would be treating Ward and Fitz differently for doing the same thing. Except they did not. Fitz never made a choice. Had no option. Ward not only had choices , but multiple options. He could have accepted punishment, could have accepted that he did bad things by choice. He had choice. Framework! Ward did not and neither did Framework!Fitz.
First off, MoralDissonance is saying you believe in one thing but then doing another. Even if Framework!Ward didn\'t have a choice, Framework!Fitz did have a choice, since he is realFitz. He had a choice to not pull the trigger on Agnes, he had the choice to not torture Inhumans, he had the choice to not kill Mace, and yet he chose to do all those things.
> SHIELD are not hypocrites for dealing with an unrepentant terrorist who literally blamed everyone else for his actions including torture of Simmons as not his fault. In the end the moment he betrayed SHIELD, killed multiple agents and tried to kill Fitzsimmons. Was the moment he was treated accordingly as a terrorist and traitor.
Except they are hypocrites. Not for the above; they are hypocrites for saying to their enemies that the life you live does not define who you are and the choices you make, but then, when their friend lives a bad life and makes bad choices because of it, do a complete reversal and say that he is not at fault because his life affected what choices he chose to make (therefore arguing that the life you live does indeed affect the choice people make).
> As such they treated him as such because thats was what he was and acted as. They treated Fitz as a victim because unlike Ward he had no choice
No, by the team\'s own philosophies, Fitz was not a victim. He and the team constantly say that if they lived bad lives they would still turn out to be good people (and argue that they did), because they made the choice to not let their lives affect their decisions. Yet when they have that theory disproven in the Framework, and are shown that, under different circumstances, they would have turned out exactly like Ward, their go-to defense is that none of them are at fault because their life affected their decisions, which is the complete opposite of what they initially argued.
